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	Hey, Cortana.	00:00:00
	Or.	00:00:15
	16/20/25.	00:00:27
	Mayor Bask here.	00:00:32
	Councillor Travis Lopez.	00:00:33
	Councillor Dean.	00:00:35
	Councillor Fleming.	00:00:38
	Councillor Ocampo.	00:00:40
	Here.	00:00:41
	Councillor Partridge.	00:00:45
	Here. Councillor Romero here.	00:00:46
	Counselor. Salon.	00:00:49
	That's background noise.	00:00:52
	I'll rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:54
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:58
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:00
	And until the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:02
	Indivisible.	00:01:07
	And we're living in houses for us.	00:01:08
	Mr. Romero.	00:01:17
	Mr. Mayor, I move we approve the consent agenda.	00:01:20
	2nd.	00:01:23
	Moved and seconded any discussion.	00:01:24
	All in favor, aye?	00:01:27
	OK, here we go, public forum.	00:01:29
	We've got Mr. James Guy goes #1.	00:01:32
	The Grand Funk Railroad.	00:01:35
	Remember that.	00:01:39
	We are representing the Socorro community, we are inviting the community to.	00:01:46
	Go to.	00:01:51
	Putting on monthly.	00:01:53
	Activities for.	00:01:54
	Socorro, we had a movie last month.	00:01:56
	And this month we are going to do another movie.	00:02:00
	We gave away.	00:02:03
	Saved eyes.	00:02:05
	Snow cones.	00:02:07
	The kids watched movies.	00:02:08
	All the food was free. It was all donated to the kids. Got free snow cones free.	00:02:11
	Popcorn.	00:02:15
	And hot dogs from the community members.	00:02:16
	And we are just.	00:02:19
	Going forward to do a nonprofit.	00:02:22
	We are just now.	00:02:25
	Inviting the community to come and.	00:02:26
	Spend time.	00:02:29
	At our Plaza. Our beautiful Plaza.	00:02:30
	If you want to leave it.	00:02:35
	Needham.	00:02:38
	We can put it on camera.	00:02:40
	Yeah, we'd also like to say thank you to Ravi for trying to setting me in the right direction.	00:02:41
	I'll put my water on.	00:02:51
	No, you ain't.	00:02:53
	OK, so, uh.	00:02:55
	We always like to complain and I'm.	00:02:58
	Pretty good at it.	00:03:00
	So you know what Ravi kind of got at me.	00:03:03
	20-30 years ago and here we go again and and and.	00:03:07
	And this time, he said.	00:03:10
	James, give me more boots on the ground.	00:03:12
	You know, and he's looking at volunteers, right? So.	00:03:13
	If anything's going to work, it's going to be volunteers.	00:03:17
	I have my beautiful wife here in our community.	00:03:20
	Robert Ware and and and all of us get together all the time.	00:03:24
	It's it's so.	00:03:27
	We can figure out what we can do to give back.	00:03:30
	And Ravi and through the city.	00:03:33
	Has given us the first uh.	00:03:36
	Donation and then.	00:03:38
	We have.	00:03:39
	Quite a few other people in the communities rather than start mentioning everybody.	00:03:40
	But we have lots and we will be doing our thank yous to everybody.	00:03:44
	And there is a huge response.	00:03:49
	We will be adopting who?	00:03:52
	The boxing club.	00:03:55
	And the wrestling club we will be, uh.	00:03:58
	You know, sponsoring both you guys that day, so please come out and.	00:04:01
	Watch the The Wrestling Club.	00:04:05
	They're in in the Plaza. They'll be demonstrating all kinds of stuff, wrestling and boxing.	00:04:08
	We'll have a great movie and a great time. Bring a blanket.	00:04:14
	And appetite and will feed you.	00:04:18
	Joel, how many how many guys in in your group that?	00:04:21
	Because I know that the rest, the boxing, starting off with about 50 people that we've got to take care of, like I told you when	00:04:25
	we met.	00:04:29
	It's more of a.	00:04:32
	Timing of the date. So now that we've got the flyer, you dropped it off at my shop the other day.	00:04:33
	I don't have a number for you, but I do. I'll reach out to the parents and tell them. But I mean, we we coach around 110 kids	00:04:38
	through the.	00:04:41
	Youth in the high school.	00:04:44
	As far as commitment, I don't know, but I think you're.	00:04:45
	What you're doing is great.	00:04:48
	Because.	00:04:49
	Everybody show up and, and, and if there's a bigger need, we'll take care of it. Use our Plaza.	00:04:52
	In a beautiful way.	00:04:57
	I know it's on the poster, but tell us the date and the time.	00:04:58
	The 27th of September.	00:05:02
	Plaza.	00:05:05
	What time?	00:05:07
	At six, starts at six. Yeah, 6:00.	00:05:08
	Pull up, we can put it on the robocall.	00:05:12
	Thanks, James.	00:05:14
	Thank you.	00:05:15
	Thank you. Thank you very much. Good job.	00:05:17
	OK, Socorro Stingrays.	00:05:21
	Got the swimmers here.	00:05:28
	Thank you.	00:05:48
	Thank you.	00:05:48
	Aye, are you in the picture?	00:05:50
	Thank you.	00:05:51
	Good job Cody Johnston. We get to keep it some of our.	00:05:56
	You have to give it.	00:06:00
	Thank you. OK, Thank you. Amazing Stingray swimmers.	00:06:01
	I'm a little late this year.	00:06:05
	I was traveling during the last council meeting.	00:06:07
	So now we're here in September, and we just wanted to say thank you to the city for always supporting us.	00:06:09
	We couldn't do what we do without the city.	00:06:15
	Obviously we couldn't swim without amazing pool that you guys provide.	00:06:17
	Massive pool that we're able to host.	00:06:21
	These huge, huge meets.	00:06:23
	Teams from all over the state.	00:06:27
	We were able to get fifth this year overall.	00:06:28
	Which doesn't sound like a whole lot.	00:06:30
	But for a team with 80 kids?	00:06:32
	Max And we're competing against these massive country clubs that have 200 kids.	00:06:34
	It's really amazing be able to show some great coral spirit.	00:06:38
	So these are some of our swimmers.	00:06:42
	I have two of my coaches here.	00:06:44
	One of my high school swimmers.	00:06:46
	As well.	00:06:48
	This is Ben.	00:06:52
	Connor.	00:06:54
	Drew Israel.	00:06:56
	Alison and Emily.	00:06:58
	And made.	00:06:59
	Congratulations.	00:07:02
	So I wasn't as well prepared this year. Last year I had some numbers and so.	00:07:07
	Stats.	00:07:10
	Didn't compile that this year.	00:07:12
	Serving on a board at Tech has.	00:07:14
	And a time suck so.	00:07:17
	I completely understand.	00:07:20
	Young pain. So I just wanted to say thank you again for all the amazing things you guys do and.	00:07:23
	The city is able to support this swim team.	00:07:29
	And, umm.	00:07:31
	Go Stingrays. Go Stingrays. Yes.	00:07:31
	Yeah, I've got a question or first a comment. Cody, I see you everywhere in town. You're always volunteering and you're part of	00:07:38
	everything. We appreciate you and.	00:07:42
	Although I know how hard it is, so thank you for what you do.	00:07:46
	But you're at tech. How does that new recreation facility look?	00:07:50
	Like what is the talk looking like and.	00:07:54
	Any updates?	00:07:56
	So we approved.	00:07:57
	Don't have the exact date we approved.	00:08:00
	We're going to ask the state for a general obligation bond.	00:08:02
	That's gonna cover most of it.	00:08:05
	Alongside of that, we're going to do a big donor push to kind of build that.	00:08:06
	Included in our new recreation facility, as the city knows.	00:08:10
	As a pool, we're on we. What's the agreement called?	00:08:15
	Blinking here and I'm sorry.	00:08:19
	Right. So it's the MOU and we're using the cities.	00:08:20
	Some budget cap.	00:08:24
	Well, you know, I think they got $2 million already to design it.	00:08:27
	Correct. And so the next thing is it's going to probably be a fifty, $60 million project.	00:08:30
	And what I recommended.	00:08:35
	To the.	00:08:37
	Tech is get the schools, the city and the county.	00:08:37
	To make sure that there's no shortfall in the bond issue because they're not going to be able to get the whole amount.	00:08:42
	Is to allow the city, county and the schools.	00:08:46
	To join in on a bond issue so that the the whole.	00:08:49
	Everybody can use that.	00:08:52
	You know that facility.	00:08:54
	Which would be great for us. I mean you guys will go straight to number.	00:08:55
	Four. That would be amazing.	00:08:59
	But that's great, man.	00:09:01
	Mr. Mayor.	00:09:03
	You're the student region attack.	00:09:05
	Yes, Now, OK, I don't think everybody knew that so.	00:09:07
	I'm happy that you're there.	00:09:10
	Thank you.	00:09:12
	Will you come and take a picture with us?	00:09:12
	So come on, it's not so hard.	00:09:14
	Just here.	00:09:18
	Thank you.	00:09:44
	Thank you guys.	00:09:44
	Thank you for.	00:09:50
	Yes, thank you.	00:09:52
	Good job, coach. Thank you, Cody.	00:09:56
	Somebody's related, that's why.	00:09:58
	Him back right away in the picture.	00:10:01
	All right. We had a Socorro County Fair, which was fantastic, Caleb.	00:10:07
	You're going to come up and.	00:10:11
	Tell us all the good news and.	00:10:13
	I guess you guys didn't get too much rain.	00:10:15
	We didn't get what I'm sorry, get too much rain at the County Fair. No rain is welcome for this weekend was kind of.	00:10:18
	Tough, but wow, that's right. So I prepared.	00:10:25
	Budget.	00:10:28
	For you, so you could kind of see.	00:10:29
	What we do in.	00:10:31
	But we did have a score, County Fair and PRCA rodeo.	00:10:32
	Which the?	00:10:36
	City of Socorro Rodeo Sports Complex as part of that big part of it.	00:10:38
	Had a new thing we brought this year was the big screen.	00:10:42
	So we're able to have replays.	00:10:45
	We were able to.	00:10:48
	As the event was happening, you had the timer on this. We had barrel racers as they were coming down, they were looking at their	00:10:49
	time.	00:10:53
	It was just a really. And then.	00:10:56
	Course, for the crowd, that's a big crowd thing, so.	00:10:58
	Very successful all the way around.	00:11:01
	But I thought it was important to.	00:11:03
	Get let you, you know, see some of the figures there.	00:11:07
	On the left is all our costs and our income.	00:11:09
	So you can see gate there.	00:11:13
	What we get is sponsorships.	00:11:15
	You know all the way what the clown.	00:11:18
	On the right side is what the city.	00:11:20
	Puts in.	00:11:22
	For us, and there's also.	00:11:23
	City cost.	00:11:25
	On the top.	00:11:26
	Or, you know, on the right side upper and then there's city income, so.	00:11:27
	We try to balance, you know.	00:11:33
	Of course we'd all want to.	00:11:34
	Be profitable.	00:11:36
	And bring a great event to Socorro.	00:11:37
	But it ends up being close.	00:11:39
	Closer to break even.	00:11:42
	As you can see there but.	00:11:43
	We uh.	00:11:44
	We That's not including anything, you know.	00:11:45
	Of course, I I expect that there's a big boom in business.	00:11:49
	For fair and rodeo.	00:11:53
	We bring a lot of people to town, so.	00:11:54
	You know, that's hard to measure.	00:11:56
	And I think we've.	00:11:57
	You know, for basically the way I look at it for a couple $1000 we're bringing.	00:11:59
	Wonderful event is a coral.	00:12:03
	So, umm.	00:12:04
	But at least the gasoline and the diesel sales were.	00:12:05
	Yeah. Oh yeah.	00:12:08
	And the, you know, restaurants, I mean, we absolutely, you know, there's just a lot of.	00:12:09
	Walmart, I mean, you know all the stuff you got to go get a.	00:12:14
	Whatever for the.	00:12:17
	You know, for your horse you're free to the fair or whatever, so.	00:12:19
	Anyway, I think that's that's about it. Tommy has been helping me out here. This is Tommy Rosales.	00:12:22
	I'm Caleb Kerr, by the way.	00:12:27
	But Tommy's.	00:12:29
	Kind of helping out with PRC radio now, so.	00:12:30
	Well, you guys did a tremendous job and.	00:12:33
	For your volunteering to get this done on this big screen.	00:12:35
	The rental was 11,000.	00:12:39
	Yes, that's now.	00:12:40
	Now it's not just. That's not just the screen.	00:12:42
	That comes with the people that run it, so they sure.	00:12:44
	There's a guy that.	00:12:47
	It happens to be a.	00:12:49
	Gentleman there, but.	00:12:51
	There's a person that runs the computer.	00:12:53
	Yeah, I think the city would.	00:12:55
	Try to. You're trying to get a big screen up there. We had all the small screens in the restaurant.	00:12:58
	Yes.	00:13:03
	Would like to get we'd like to get 2 screens so we'll work on that.	00:13:05
	Yeah, that'd be great. I tell you what, it was a huge crowd.	00:13:08
	Pleasure, I mean.	00:13:12
	That we even got, I don't know who who it was, but somebody.	00:13:13
	Wrote a letter to the editor you know, mentioning how good it so.	00:13:17
	We're getting some positive feedback, by the way.	00:13:20
	The crew out there did a wonderful job.	00:13:23
	Were making grounds on the on the dirt there.	00:13:25
	Raul driving the tractor, but Steve was just.	00:13:28
	Unbelievably handy.	00:13:32
	He actually helped me.	00:13:33
	We had a little bit of.	00:13:35
	Leakage, people trying to sneak in without paying. So Steve helped.	00:13:36
	Was a big help with that, but also.	00:13:40
	Of course, Cheyenne and Darryl, everybody that.	00:13:42
	The whole crew.	00:13:45
	Wanted to want to thank those.	00:13:46
	People so.	00:13:48
	Is there any other questions?	00:13:50
	We leave that out there.	00:13:51
	And that's, I think that's a whole separate. Is it a separate thing that's on the?	00:13:54
	Sakura County Fair and rodeo Queens.	00:14:00
	Yes, that is not my department.	00:14:03
	I made a mistake in not getting you guys before I got Kevin.	00:14:10
	So I apologize.	00:14:14
	Yes.	00:14:17
	Yes.	00:14:18
	It was so much fun. Courtney races, you know, having the replays and stuff. So cute and the mutton blushing. I thought really got	00:14:20
	yeah there.	00:14:23
	Yeah, that's yeah.	00:14:28
	Mr. Brown.	00:14:33
	But I was just gonna ask how the new sound system was. It was a mentor. There's so many things to mention.	00:14:36
	It actually worked very well.	00:14:42
	So good job there. I heard the hospital said to decrease the volume. Yes, yes, we were aware of that, but.	00:14:43
	At least we can, I mean.	00:14:51
	Yeah, and we can turn down that outer speaker. One thing is on the floor.	00:14:52
	Like where the contestants are and like where I'm at.	00:14:57
	Like running stuff.	00:14:59
	It was a little bit muffled, but that's the least of.	00:15:00
	I mean the crowd.	00:15:03
	And the outside is the is the important part. I saw the speakers are kind of turned towards the grandstand.	00:15:04
	Yes.	00:15:11
	There is 2 on top that they're kind of smaller and we we're going to work on it. It's not a.	00:15:12
	It's not a big issue. You guys have improved it.	00:15:18
	Every year.	00:15:20
	Yes. Well, I know that cost a lot and we thank you 250,000. Oh yeah, yeah.	00:15:21
	Yeah.	00:15:26
	That's a lot I also wanted to tell me, reminded me so as part of the the video crew and the big screen that came in.	00:15:27
	They actually were very impressed with how we run the rodeo.	00:15:33
	So.	00:15:36
	Just so you.	00:15:37
	To kind of give you a.	00:15:38
	If you do a rodeo correctly, you run it in about two hours, a little more than two hours, because that's about what people can sit	00:15:40
	through.	00:15:43
	And that's also what people can. That's why all movies are about two hours long. So they're gonna they thought we'd be a.	00:15:46
	A good candidate for the Cowboy Channel.	00:15:52
	So that's the Cowboy Channel.	00:15:55
	Is a big deal.	00:15:57
	Cowboy Channel app is kind of it's the app, but.	00:15:58
	Still, it might give us a little bit, you know, Might.	00:16:01
	He helped put Sakura on the map.	00:16:03
	So, uh.	00:16:05
	So.	00:16:06
	Thought I'd bring that up about that.	00:16:07
	But anyway, it might be something, you know, that that might get us.	00:16:11
	You know, gets the cores name out there a little bit further than just you guys have done it. I mean that's that was a tremendous	00:16:14
	event.	00:16:17
	Thank you. Well, thank you for the support it.	00:16:20
	As you can see on here, the city.	00:16:23
	We couldn't do it without you. Maybe we can help you with the difference here. That's not that much.	00:16:25
	No, no, no. That's positive difference. Yeah, give that back to us.	00:16:29
	We can do that too. Well, no, congratulations on the work you guys do as volunteers and stuff. I know you do.	00:16:35
	Just put that together, every year is fantastic.	00:16:41
	Well, thank you.	00:16:44
	Thank you. Thank you for the help.	00:16:44
	No.	00:16:46
	I am so sorry, Sakura County.	00:16:52
	Fair loyalty.	00:16:54
	Much prettier than Caleb.	00:17:01
	So just one little comment on.	00:17:05
	What they were saying.	00:17:08
	At the.	00:17:10
	Meeting before the rodeo, they told us that squirrels.	00:17:12
	There are only four places in the whole state.	00:17:15
	That have the big screen and wear one of them.	00:17:18
	That's just a little side note.	00:17:21
	So I'm Sonya, Gerard and myself.	00:17:23
	My daughter Jamie Girard, who is a 2012 State Fair queen.	00:17:26
	And Jessica?	00:17:31
	Running the.	00:17:33
	The Coral County Fair and Rodeo Queen contest.	00:17:36
	For the fair board.	00:17:39
	I also want to say they have been a super supporter.	00:17:40
	And it's.	00:17:44
	Really nice.	00:17:45
	Everybody's working together.	00:17:48
	I also want to say thank you so much to you Mayor and to the city.	00:17:50
	You guys let us.	00:17:54
	Ride out there and practice.	00:17:56
	Horses, you let us use the arena.	00:17:58
	Our competition and we got to use the.	00:18:02
	Senior citizens center to have our.	00:18:06
	Personality.	00:18:10
	So, umm.	00:18:11
	Just really quick, these girls.	00:18:13
	There's 200 points that they are.	00:18:16
	Competing for.	00:18:18
	So if they're on the rodeo side.	00:18:20
	Their horsemanship side is worth 100 points.	00:18:22
	Their personality is worth 100 points.	00:18:26
	If they're on the fair side, they do a demonstration of something that they have.	00:18:28
	Entered into the fair.	00:18:33
	That is also worth 100 points, so it's a big deal.	00:18:35
	Personality.	00:18:38
	They have to model, they have to give a speech, they do impromptu questions.	00:18:39
	So sometimes when you think of a rodeo queen, you think, wow, she can just run fast around the arena.	00:18:46
	But.	00:18:53
	There's a whole bunch to that.	00:18:55
	So I'm super proud of these girls.	00:18:57
	I'm very thankful to you guys. Steve was like.	00:18:59
	Amazing. For me it.	00:19:02
	I would call and say can we do this or you know, he had the ground ready. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.	00:19:04
	And Linda was the same.	00:19:11
	So we couldn't be more thankful for that.	00:19:13
	I would like the girls to introduce themselves because we want them also learn to speak in public so.	00:19:16
	Hi, so my name is Esperanza Lopez, I'm 17 years old and I'm the.	00:19:23
	This you guys can actually hear me? I'm a little short.	00:19:27
	But I'm a 2025 through 2026 Socorro County Rodeo queen.	00:19:30
	You know, being in like a rodeo queen.	00:19:36
	We don't just like, run around.	00:19:39
	The arena, we don't just ride like Sonia said. It's a really big part of it is coming out and representing not just the sport of	00:19:40
	rodeo.	00:19:44
	But Socorro County itself.	00:19:48
	In the community, like what we're doing here, we're out here supporting rodeo to the city of Sakura, I guess, but.	00:19:50
	It's a really fun opportunity.	00:19:55
	To represent like what we do.	00:19:57
	And to get out and.	00:20:00
	And all these.	00:20:02
	Events and stuff, it's just a really fun thing. I really enjoy being a rodeo queen. It's taught me a lot.	00:20:03
	I've had this title previously as the 2023 through.	00:20:09
	2024.	00:20:12
	Saguaro County Rodeo Clean.	00:20:13
	And these past two titles I've held have really, like taught me.	00:20:15
	I've learned how to speak publicly.	00:20:19
	I used to get up here and like.	00:20:21
	No idea what to say.	00:20:24
	But.	00:20:26
	Theater Rodeo Queen has extremely helped me with that.	00:20:27
	My writing has improved.	00:20:30
	So much.	00:20:32
	I went from not being able to.	00:20:35
	Find a decent horse that would like I could actually work with.	00:20:36
	To actually knowing what to do when I get on a horse and like.	00:20:40
	You know what you have to do to ride. There's a lot that goes into it.	00:20:44
	It's taught me a lot. I'm not the most like.	00:20:49
	Model E like she said.	00:20:51
	No.	00:20:54
	Maybe have not improved in that stance, but.	00:20:55
	It's a really great opportunity for us girls.	00:20:58
	Teaches us a lot, like I said, and I've really had.	00:21:02
	And I'm really gonna have a fun time during my reign representing Socorro County and the sport of rodeo.	00:21:05
	Awake. Are you a senior?	00:21:10
	Yeah, I'm a senior. And what are you going to do next year? What are you thinking about doing?	00:21:12
	Possibly NMSU?	00:21:16
	For livestock yugging and extension.	00:21:18
	Oh, congratulations.	00:21:22
	And also if she wants to, she would be eligible to go and enter state fairpoint next year.	00:21:24
	Good evening Mayor Vascular, City Council members and guests.	00:21:32
	My name is Brianna Cero, I'm 16 years old and I am your 2025 through 2026 so Crow County Fair Queen.	00:21:42
	I'm so excited that I was able to get this opportunity. I know when I was younger, when I was my sister's age, I looked up the	00:21:49
	fair Queens.	00:21:53
	And I thought, wow, they're amazing. They're beautiful.	00:21:57
	Even the rodeo Queens. I just thought.	00:21:59
	You know, I hope to be like them one day.	00:22:02
	And here I am. I'm standing up here.	00:22:04
	Honestly, I never thought I'd be able to be given the opportunity. I'm glad that I was able to run and.	00:22:06
	Get.	00:22:12
	I've looked up.	00:22:14
	To when I was younger I looked up the fair Queens and.	00:22:15
	You know, they can public speak, they can come up here and talk to people like you guys and.	00:22:19
	I'm just really amazed that I'm able to.	00:22:24
	Be here today.	00:22:26
	I'm excited to represent to Coral County, you know Socorro County is.	00:22:27
	Brilliant. And I'm ready to just.	00:22:31
	Be proud of my.	00:22:33
	City. I'm just representing Circle County as a whole.	00:22:36
	So I thank you so much for having me here this evening and I'm excited to see what this year will bring.	00:22:39
	Thank you. Don't, don't go away. And how many times, how many times have you participated?	00:22:44
	How many years have you been doing it?	00:22:49
	This is my first year ever, so yes Sir.	00:22:51
	Well, congratulations.	00:22:54
	Thank you.	00:22:56
	Hi everyone.	00:23:00
	My name is Hayley Massaro.	00:23:01
	And I'm the 2025 Sakura County Fair Princess.	00:23:04
	This year at the fair I showed a heifer and.	00:23:08
	And.	00:23:12
	I'm running with my two sisters.	00:23:14
	Brianne and Dylan.	00:23:17
	And it's really cool that all three of us form this year.	00:23:19
	An India.	00:23:23
	Did you did you sell your heifer?	00:23:26
	No.	00:23:28
	No, you don't want to sell it.	00:23:29
	No, she didn't make so.	00:23:31
	Congratulations. That's great.	00:23:34
	You know there's a step down there you can pull it out.	00:23:37
	Yeah, there you go.	00:23:49
	Hi everyone, my name is Jayden Lucero and I'm your current Sakura County fresh sweetheart.	00:23:51
	I this is my first year running.	00:23:58
	I am a fourth grader in Midway Elementary.	00:24:01
	And at the fair I shall.	00:24:06
	Goats. Chickens.	00:24:09
	And buddies.	00:24:10
	So wait, what's that now? What's the sweetheart?	00:24:13
	What does it take to be a sweetheart?	00:24:16
	It takes a lot of work after learning your speech.	00:24:18
	You have to be like.	00:24:21
	Very pleasant and.	00:24:22
	Yeah, nice. They get the.	00:24:24
	I mean, is that how you work it?	00:24:26
	Mm-hmm.	00:24:28
	Congratulations. Great, great.	00:24:29
	Oh, you probably don't need that.	00:24:34
	Hi everyone, my name is Karina Maldonado.	00:24:39
	And I am your current Socorro County Fair.	00:24:43
	Rodeo Princess.	00:24:46
	And this year?	00:24:47
	At the County Fair I showed 2 worms.	00:24:48
	And for this year, this is my second year running for.	00:24:51
	The I ran through the side.	00:24:58
	For 1/3 procession I didn't get anything.	00:25:01
	And then I decided to run for Rodeo Princess this year and it was really a lot of fun.	00:25:04
	In the work.	00:25:09
	Did you get to share your Lambs or you just let them?	00:25:13
	No, I got to share my language.	00:25:16
	Well, good for you.	00:25:19
	Great. Good job.	00:25:21
	Thank you.	00:25:22
	Thank you.	00:25:23
	Sonia, how long have you been doing this? You've been.	00:25:23
	Volunteering to do this.	00:25:26
	For a long time, a long time ago, and this was alive.	00:25:28
	I ran it.	00:25:32
	Like that 14 years or so a long time.	00:25:33
	You spent a lot of time doing this. When Jamie and Amanda got old enough to run, I felt like I needed to not do it.	00:25:38
	Yeah, Thank you for. Thank you for.	00:25:44
	Taking the time to do that.	00:25:46
	Maybe they can take a picture with us too, yes?	00:25:48
	These guys, their judges this year.	00:25:51
	One of them was Miss Rodeo, Kansas.	00:25:54
	That came One of the judges was Miss Turquoise Circuit.	00:25:57
	And then we want, I'd like to try to mix it up.	00:26:02
	So the other one was.	00:26:05
	A rancher.	00:26:07
	She's ranchers wife. They did.	00:26:08
	You call it sorting.	00:26:13
	And she had actually qualified to go to nationals and sorting so.	00:26:15
	There's qualified judges, so these guys have, it's not like.	00:26:19
	I get to pay.	00:26:24
	Come on up guys, ladies.	00:26:27
	Answer on your command.	00:26:30
	I don't, definitely.	00:26:34
	So where was the lady from? Kansas. Where was she from?	00:26:36
	Funny, where was she from?	00:26:39
	She was Miss Roscoe.	00:26:40
	Cancers. Wow, she had run.	00:26:43
	For America.	00:26:46
	What so?	00:26:47
	Good job.	00:26:57
	Heidi, what did I miss?	00:27:04
	Oh yeah, Miss Paul.	00:27:09
	Paul Hardin, Our.	00:27:12
	Resident historian about.	00:27:14
	What goes on in Socorro and?	00:27:17
	He's gonna.	00:27:19
	Talk to us about the El Camino Real Trail.	00:27:20
	I don't.	00:27:25
	Yeah, my name is Paul Hardin. I'm here representing the Friends of the Camino Real and the Socorro County Historical Society.	00:27:26
	Most people know the Camino Real has been a significant part of New Mexico's history since the late 1500s.	00:27:34
	And there's a lot of.	00:27:41
	Interest in the Camino Real.	00:27:43
	By the state and stuff some time ago.	00:27:45
	Unfortunately, it kind of crashed and burned.	00:27:49
	And the National Historic Trails, which is part of the National Park Service.	00:27:52
	Has this program where they want to mark the trail.	00:27:58
	It's exactly where it was.	00:28:01
	Unfortunately, not too many people know where it is.	00:28:03
	And I've.	00:28:06
	Mapped it in the 1980s.	00:28:08
	And then again in the 1990s with GPS. And then again lately with my drone.	00:28:11
	Video and the National Historic Trails has finally decided to contact.	00:28:17
	The local authorities to try to get these signs up.	00:28:24
	And this actually started about 6-7 years ago and it got interrupted by.	00:28:27
	Budget cuts and COVID and global warming and I don't know what well.	00:28:33
	And so we.	00:28:38
	Have.	00:28:39
	Approached the city and the county about this.	00:28:40
	And a lot of work is going on behind the scenes, so I.	00:28:44
	Kind of felt compelled to spend a few moments to kind of bring.	00:28:47
	The the.	00:28:51
	Counselors up to date as to what's been going on.	00:28:53
	The county and the city has signed off on the.	00:28:58
	Program in which the National Historic Trails will be placing some Rd. signs.	00:29:01
	Both in the city of Socorro and the county roads.	00:29:06
	Dominantly the Boscocito Rd. because that's the Camino real.	00:29:10
	On the West, the east side of the river.	00:29:14
	And I think.	00:29:17
	You've been given a map I think of for.	00:29:22
	Will be located.	00:29:25
	National Historic Trails started off with 14 Rd. signs in the coral.	00:29:26
	And we kind of thought that was a little overkill.	00:29:31
	So mostly.	00:29:35
	Just for those who.	00:29:38
	Might not know the.	00:29:41
	Hwy. 1 coming up from San Antonio is.	00:29:43
	Basically the Camino real.	00:29:47
	And then the Bhaskar Central Rd.	00:29:49
	And then coming into Socorro with Cuba Rd.	00:29:52
	Came into the Plaza.	00:29:55
	To pass the church.	00:29:57
	And our El Camino Real Rd. is indeed the Camino real.	00:29:58
	And then it kind of swerved over.	00:30:03
	To Pavito Point, and that's of course the Escondido Rd. that goes to Lemotar.	00:30:06
	So a lot of it is actually now paved roads or.	00:30:11
	At least maintain dirt roads.	00:30:15
	So we kind of felt like.	00:30:18
	We didn't need 14 signs to tell Socorro ones.	00:30:20
	Where the communal reality is. I think once you're on communal reality, you see a sign.	00:30:25
	You don't need five more signs.	00:30:29
	Going down.	00:30:33
	So.	00:30:34
	This the whole point of this.	00:30:38
	Is that?	00:30:41
	In my own eyes, the Camino real.	00:30:43
	Is a lot of remnant of it is still in Sierra and Socorro County more than any place else in the state.	00:30:45
	And in the last 10 years, it's starting to disappear.	00:30:52
	It's getting grown over with grass and.	00:30:55
	Things like that it's hard to see. So by marking it.	00:30:58
	Preserves it, and that's part of it.	00:31:01
	Is the preservation.	00:31:03
	And secondly.	00:31:05
	Is it really does help tourism?	00:31:07
	Because I can tell you I get contacted all the time wanting to know. Is there any place you can see the Camino real?	00:31:10
	And I usually, there's lots of places, but I usually just tell them, yeah, instead of the Quadratus Rd. just drive down to	00:31:17
	Boscocito Rd.	00:31:21
	So you know part of that.	00:31:25
	And I just really think that it's important to preserve the history of Socorro that the communal real.	00:31:27
	Sapporo was here.	00:31:33
	During the Camino Real.	00:31:35
	One of the other villages.	00:31:37
	You know, came later.	00:31:39
	So I just wanted to thank.	00:31:40
	Basically the city.	00:31:42
	For the support of trying to get this done.	00:31:44
	Even though much of it.	00:31:47
	Was done under the table, so to speak.	00:31:48
	Or at least in the in the background, I won't say under the table.	00:31:51
	But there's just a lot of negotiations that took.	00:31:55
	Place with the National Park Service, the National Historic Trail.	00:31:58
	And so.	00:32:02
	Shortly, you'll be seeing some signs.	00:32:04
	On Cuba.	00:32:08
	By Clark Field.	00:32:10
	And El Camino real.	00:32:12
	The indicator and that is indeed the original route of.	00:32:14
	The communal real on this side of the river.	00:32:18
	And then you'll also see some.	00:32:20
	Like the Boston Cathedral Rd.	00:32:23
	Which of course the county is taking care of that.	00:32:26
	Anyway, I'd be glad to entertain any questions if anybody has.	00:32:29
	And thank the city again for your support.	00:32:33
	Manager and.	00:32:38
	Lloyd have been very helpful and.	00:32:39
	Helping select.	00:32:41
	The best places for the signs you spent a lot of time historian.	00:32:42
	Wise for the city.	00:32:47
	I mean years of keeping us informed about.	00:32:49
	The history and and hope you keep that up because.	00:32:52
	I think a lot of people in Socorro and I.	00:32:55
	I'm a newcomer, really.	00:32:57
	Don't realize the.	00:32:58
	The impact of the history and Socorro.	00:33:00
	And the church, and Oniate, And El Camino Real.	00:33:02
	And, you know, we try to start that outcome in reality.	00:33:06
	Center, which died.	00:33:09
	Yeah. But but there was a lot of interest at one time and then it kind of just.	00:33:11
	Like you said, died out.	00:33:15
	But it's good to have this. This is a good project.	00:33:17
	Well, it's really good for the city because let's say the National Park Service finally decided.	00:33:20
	It was best to contact the local municipalities.	00:33:26
	And.	00:33:30
	You know, through a while they've been actually very impressed with both the county and the city of Socorro.	00:33:31
	When other things have failed so.	00:33:37
	And I enjoy it because after six years, my job's finally done and now it's yours. So.	00:33:41
	You've done a great job. Thank you. Well, thank you. And again, the city's done a great job in helping us with this and I	00:33:48
	appreciate it. Thank you.	00:33:51
	Thank you.	00:33:55
	All right, we've got a small drawer here with premise.	00:34:02
	There's consumption and patio service. Who could that be?	00:34:07
	Mr. Mayor.	00:34:12
	This is the application for.	00:34:13
	RJR Enterprises, which is Robert Rinconis. It's for Bucks Canyon Brewing Company.	00:34:17
	It's for for the small Brewer, liquor license with on premises consumption and patio service.	00:34:23
	And Mr. Riconis was going to be here, but he is out of town at a meeting.	00:34:30
	So, well, you know, as you know, the box Canyon.	00:34:34
	Has been occupied once somebody left and.	00:34:39
	I know back a house now with RJ Chicken.	00:34:42
	I think I don't know if he's going to call it.	00:34:45
	They're going to occupy, but so it's great that we've got.	00:34:48
	Business people that are interested in.	00:34:51
	Opening up businesses that were closed.	00:34:53
	So we would recommend that they.	00:34:55
	Go ahead and get that small Brewer liquor license.	00:34:58
	Mr. Need a motion to go into public hearing.	00:35:01
	Yes, don't see a public. Is it a public hearing also?	00:35:04
	Donald yes.	00:35:07
	So let's go on to put that second. We're gonna second that. We go on to public hearing.	00:35:09
	On favor, all right.	00:35:14
	Anyone here?	00:35:15
	Opposed to a small Brewer liquor license.	00:35:17
	Now, OK, we'll go out of public.	00:35:22
	Make a motion to come out of public hearing, Mr. Mark.	00:35:25
	Second favor.	00:35:29
	Aye, make an action item.	00:35:30
	Clear No.	00:35:35
	Make a motion that we approve the liquor license with the premises premises consumption.	00:35:37
	And patio service.	00:35:43
	OK. Thank you and on to.	00:35:45
	Aye.	00:35:48
	As BI assume.	00:35:49
	Or is that another one?	00:35:52
	Call, Did you make up this agenda?	00:35:54
	Yeah, the next one is the municipal judge.	00:35:59
	Say, what is a municipal?	00:36:01
	No, no, I know that. I'm just saying.	00:36:04
	Was I just didn't realize it was going to be a public hearing. And then the second item is yes, OK, so we passed it.	00:36:07
	So the next item is.	00:36:13
	As you know, we've had.	00:36:14
	From the council and the mayor.	00:36:17
	An attempt to.	00:36:19
	Look into the possibility of not.	00:36:21
	Continuing the municipal.	00:36:24
	A court. The judge.	00:36:26
	And so one of the processes.	00:36:28
	Is to have.	00:36:30
	Committee and the committee has been meeting.	00:36:32
	Twice. And the other part of it is to have a public hearing.	00:36:36
	To hear the public's.	00:36:40
	Input.	00:36:41
	As to yay or nay.	00:36:42
	On this question.	00:36:44
	So this is the.	00:36:45
	Part where the.	00:36:47
	Public gets to have a.	00:36:48
	It should really say a public hearing.	00:36:52
	Shouldn't say Municipal ordinance Jurisdiction Advisory committee.	00:36:55
	This is a public hearing for this.	00:36:58
	Yes, Sir. It's listed under public hearing and under public forum.	00:37:00
	But it should say.	00:37:03
	Public hearing.	00:37:04
	Yeah.	00:37:05
	Yes, it's listed under public hearings. So we need a motion in the 2nd to go into this. Oh, I see, I see the heading.	00:37:08
	I'm sorry. So anyway.	00:37:15
	So we should go into public hearing.	00:37:17
	For for the people.	00:37:19
	To make comments.	00:37:20
	So that we can have.	00:37:22
	That documented in our.	00:37:24
	And then the committee will also come back.	00:37:25
	The committee is going to meet again on Monday.	00:37:28
	To take a vote as to what they're.	00:37:30
	Recommendation is.	00:37:31
	So then the Council will get to hear that.	00:37:33
	And then the next meeting that the Council has, which is October 3rd.	00:37:35
	7/7.	00:37:40
	7th would be the time that.	00:37:42
	The council either says yay or nay.	00:37:45
	To passing an ordinance.	00:37:47
	So this is what this is for is the public hearing.	00:37:49
	Obviously move into public hearing.	00:37:53
	Second moved and seconded all in favor.	00:37:56
	Aye. So people want to step. Yes, ma'am.	00:37:58
	Step up and give us your name and.	00:38:00
	Then give us your comments.	00:38:02
	And if you please sign the.	00:38:07
	She so we know who.	00:38:08
	OK. Hi, I'm Francis Peters and I've been attending the public.	00:38:11
	The City Council meetings for the last couple of times I've been hearing.	00:38:17
	How this all came about and.	00:38:20
	It's fascinating government work. It's amazing.	00:38:23
	I think as do this stuff.	00:38:26
	But what I was curious about, and when I was talking to people out in the community about it was.	00:38:28
	They were asking me because I told him I'd been the City Council meeting and they said, well, if you eliminate the Municipal	00:38:33
	Court.	00:38:36
	Than what the court cases go and I said well they'll go to Magistrate Court.	00:38:39
	And I said, well.	00:38:43
	I said that one of the comments.	00:38:44
	Was the one that you had made about.	00:38:46
	The Municipal Court is.	00:38:49
	That you're going to see any change.	00:38:52
	And the problems that Socorro has had in the past, like the dogs or weeds or the kinds of things that.	00:38:54
	You know you've tried to.	00:39:03
	The city has tried to change.	00:39:04
	And my question, I have one question about if it.	00:39:06
	Host of Majesty court, does that just give it more weight?	00:39:11
	So that.	00:39:14
	They can give greater fines or more.	00:39:15
	You know have more impact in terms of.	00:39:19
	You know, enforcement I guess would be what I would say. And then the second question is?	00:39:24
	My understanding was that the municipal.	00:39:29
	Was running at a deficit.	00:39:31
	To the city. So the city was.	00:39:33
	Supporting the Municipal Court.	00:39:35
	And there wasn't income coming from that.	00:39:38
	And my question is the money.	00:39:41
	Was going towards running municip.	00:39:44
	That then be diverted to the Magistrate Court.	00:39:46
	Or would it be diverted?	00:39:49
	Towards, you know, maybe getting a.	00:39:51
	$2.00 and a second.	00:39:55
	Enforcement control person or something so that.	00:39:58
	There would be some movement towards what the city actually wants and they were hoping.	00:40:02
	Get up Municipal Court.	00:40:06
	Besides eliminating that so that we have a deficit, there had to be some money going out.	00:40:08
	What would that money then be used for?	00:40:13
	OK, I have talked way too much and I have written the e-mail address. It's really long.	00:40:16
	I can answer that if you have. If you'd like me to or I would love for you to answer that not.	00:40:21
	So the two questions that you said was?	00:40:26
	Where does it go?	00:40:29
	If it doesn't, go to the Municipal Court.	00:40:30
	It does go to the Magistrate Court under municipal ordinances.	00:40:32
	And truth or consequences when they did eliminate the Municipal Court?	00:40:37
	The magistrate was reluctant.	00:40:41
	To hear municipal.	00:40:43
	Court ordinances.	00:40:45
	And so that could be a problem.	00:40:48
	That the magistrate.	00:40:50
	Is so overwhelmed.	00:40:51
	By the number of things.	00:40:53
	That are the Municipal Court was handling.	00:40:54
	That they would not have time to hear it.	00:40:58
	So that would be a problem, but there would go to Magistrate Court.	00:41:01
	And in my opinion, the Magistrate Court has a little more.	00:41:04
	Had bite to it.	00:41:09
	But the other part is that we've lost almost over 10 years, $1,000,000.	00:41:11
	On the Municipal Court.	00:41:15
	And we could use and I.	00:41:17
	What I would pledge is to use that money to get another code enforcement.	00:41:19
	And also help people clean for the.	00:41:23
	$100,000 a year.	00:41:25
	We could help almost refrigerate the.	00:41:28
	Clean people's places up.	00:41:30
	That a lot of people just can't do it. They're just poor.	00:41:32
	They don't have the equipment.	00:41:35
	And this stuff is accrued over 5060 years of families changing homes.	00:41:36
	So it gets to be cars, gets to be junk.	00:41:41
	And and we could actually.	00:41:45
	Do that with somebody dedicated every day to help.	00:41:47
	Clean Sakura up.	00:41:50
	So that's where that money would be diverted to.	00:41:51
	But the first question is a question whether the magistrate would be able to handle.	00:41:54
	And the load that.	00:41:59
	The judge now.	00:42:02
	But that's where it would go.	00:42:03
	OK, people say, well.	00:42:05
	The swimming pool is losing money, why don't you?	00:42:07
	Let's have another swimming pool to go to.	00:42:10
	If the county had another swimming pool.	00:42:13
	How our tech would allow us to use their swimming pool.	00:42:15
	I would definitely think about doing that.	00:42:19
	But there's no alternative to that or a library.	00:42:21
	Or a Police Department.	00:42:23
	As you know, as an ambulance department, I've asked the county to.	00:42:25
	Help and they finally showed up and said they would help.	00:42:28
	So if there was an alternative, then I.	00:42:31
	Then I would recommend that.	00:42:34
	Could I could I at least make one small suggestion, which is if you do.	00:42:36
	End up closing the Municipal Court and have money.	00:42:41
	Please get some more enforcement on the dogs, the wild dogs that have been fighting the bike riders and the runners and the	00:42:44
	walkers. Yeah, I know you've heard this a million times, but I just had to get up here and.	00:42:49
	It is bad. So anyway.	00:42:55
	Thank you so much, I think the judge had an answer.	00:42:56
	Oh yes, Sir, I'm so sorry.	00:42:59
	The reference to.	00:43:04
	In reference to the Magistrate Court over the Municipal Court.	00:43:07
	The Magistrate Court.	00:43:11
	Doesn't have they have the same power as municipal?	00:43:13
	It enforces what is allowed.	00:43:17
	By code or state statute.	00:43:19
	So if the city.	00:43:22
	Is has the amount of a certain amount of money.	00:43:25
	Which the code says it says.	00:43:28
	Up to $500 or 90 days in jail.	00:43:30
	Both court.	00:43:33
	And registered court can enforce that.	00:43:36
	We have been working.	00:43:39
	Can we?	00:43:41
	We address the dog issues.	00:43:44
	On this pamphlet. This booklet here.	00:43:47
	It'll show samples of all the.	00:43:49
	Court orders that I've given.	00:43:51
	For the.	00:43:53
	K9 M.	00:43:54
	The cleanup of the city of Socorro.	00:43:56
	So I'm trying to do the best I can.	00:44:00
	In regards as there's a process.	00:44:02
	On the judicial side.	00:44:06
	So As for the hearing officer?	00:44:08
	I think create a committee.	00:44:12
	They're limited to doing certain things too, so.	00:44:14
	As the mayor said.	00:44:17
	He still has the power now.	00:44:19
	If with the Minister Court being here.	00:44:21
	To clean up the properties, it doesn't have to be.	00:44:25
	One or the other.	00:44:28
	So if the mayor chooses to clean the property.	00:44:29
	Now with this.	00:44:32
	Courts still in place, they can still do that.	00:44:33
	And through the.	00:44:36
	Court hearings, the arraignments that we have.	00:44:37
	In court when the.	00:44:39
	For this with the code enforcement officer is present.	00:44:42
	I've actually given direction of what he can and can't do.	00:44:45
	I have to explain some of the process of the arraignment hearing.	00:44:49
	He provided evidence.	00:44:52
	After I directed him that.	00:44:54
	The Courtney Photographs notes.	00:44:56
	Photographs of the.	00:45:00
	Of the.	00:45:01
	Or the inoperable vehicles, or whatever it may be.	00:45:03
	But the court has to look at something.	00:45:07
	You know, make a verdict.	00:45:09
	Not just based on.	00:45:11
	With the quote UN quote implement officer writes in his notes.	00:45:13
	So for example, a simple one.	00:45:17
	So.	00:45:19
	If a citation is written.	00:45:20
	And it says inoperable.	00:45:22
	So the defendant.	00:45:24
	Basically.	00:45:26
	Makes a plea during the arraignment hearing, it says.	00:45:26
	Guilty or no conscious?	00:45:29
	So, umm.	00:45:31
	He comes in and says.	00:45:32
	I'll clean up the.	00:45:34
	The number of vehicles, uh.	00:45:36
	For the court.	00:45:38
	So I have no idea if it's one.	00:45:39
	Seven vehicles if it's not written on the citation.	00:45:41
	We've corrected that with the code enforcement officer I'd explained to him.	00:45:45
	What you can and can't do?	00:45:49
	But it is a process.	00:45:52
	A lot of people ask.	00:45:54
	For help in cleaning up the properties.	00:45:57
	And I always told him.	00:46:00
	I directed him to go talk to the code enforcement officer.	00:46:01
	Because a municipal judge can't.	00:46:04
	Recommend somebody for a lot of different reasons.	00:46:07
	Whether it could be a friend or.	00:46:10
	Trying to help somebody else and they take it the wrong way like in money wise.	00:46:12
	We can't do that. The city can't.	00:46:16
	And if the.	00:46:20
	They decide to make a recommendation based.	00:46:22
	Some possible liability issues.	00:46:25
	That's between the city and.	00:46:27
	In handling that.	00:46:30
	But the.	00:46:32
	I do.	00:46:33
	Dog cases.	00:46:34
	Degree leads whatever comes before the court. I invested in the proper way.	00:46:36
	There's an Arabian hearing.	00:46:43
	And then depending on the plea during the Raven hearing.	00:46:45
	If you plead not guilty, I can't listen to anything, then we go to.	00:46:49
	Then the officers are called into trial.	00:46:52
	He gives. They give their testimony.	00:46:54
	The defendant gives the testimony and then I make a decision as in the Raymond area.	00:46:57
	And the only difference is.	00:47:01
	In a court trial.	00:47:04
	If you're found guilty, they have the right to appeal to District Court.	00:47:06
	So they bypassed magistracy, Court goes.	00:47:09
	Directly to the District Court.	00:47:11
	But.	00:47:14
	You were asking for so much information I.	00:47:16
	Might have missed some stuff here.	00:47:18
	You want to ask now?	00:47:20
	We've addressed the issues about, you know, sort of what the difference between.	00:47:21
	And Municipal Court is.	00:47:27
	That was one of the big questions that came up.	00:47:30
	And I did talk to the Magistrate Judge.	00:47:32
	And he said that he has enough on his plate.	00:47:35
	Here's a big caseload.	00:47:37
	And if he takes over Sapporo?	00:47:39
	It's just going to increase their.	00:47:41
	So it would create.	00:47:44
	When you go to magistrate.	00:47:47
	Court it creates A docket so where?	00:47:49
	It sits on on date and time.	00:47:52
	Coming into the court.	00:47:54
	Will determine whether or how fast they're going to see it.	00:47:55
	So.	00:47:57
	As a court hearing committee, it depends on what the.	00:48:00
	The enforcement enforcement, enforcement.	00:48:04
	Court enforcement officer.	00:48:06
	Sites as a gate.	00:48:09
	Whether how quickly somebody can respond.	00:48:11
	And then that's the other thing too with.	00:48:14
	Municipal Court, we have to review the citations that come into our court, so we have to make sure it's the.	00:48:16
	The address is correct.	00:48:22
	So we can mail.	00:48:23
	A summons if the.	00:48:25
	Aren't given a date to appear.	00:48:27
	We have to review.	00:48:29
	Make sure the code is correct.	00:48:31
	We've had a lot of issues in the beginning.	00:48:33
	That the Colts have been correct, so we have to dismiss them.	00:48:35
	And that's that's what.	00:48:39
	Not only code enforcement officer.	00:48:41
	The Police Department and.	00:48:42
	The Animal Control.	00:48:45
	So if.	00:48:46
	If there's certain.	00:48:48
	If they don't fill the third criteria on that citation.	00:48:49
	We have to dismiss it.	00:48:53
	It's not our job to inform.	00:48:54
	The court enforcement officer.	00:48:56
	The animal control officer.	00:48:58
	Or the police officer.	00:49:00
	Basically, when we make a decision, if we dismiss it.	00:49:01
	It's then you have to come and ask for the disposition of.	00:49:04
	The outcome of the citation? It's their job to come and ask.	00:49:08
	So if there was an issue about.	00:49:11
	Possibly a court night.	00:49:14
	Taking.	00:49:15
	Action on whatever citation was before the court.	00:49:18
	That's incorrect. We take action on everything that comes into court.	00:49:22
	And what is provided in evidence?	00:49:26
	To the court.	00:49:28
	So you know.	00:49:30
	My comment is on that is that.	00:49:34
	This isn't just.	00:49:36
	In this court.	00:49:38
	When Judge Cassis was here, I had the same problem.	00:49:39
	And I don't know if you picked up the.	00:49:42
	Budget, uh.	00:49:44
	Shortfall.	00:49:46
	And and you know.	00:49:47
	I just think.	00:49:49
	Repeating something that's going on. You know what's the old story about if you.	00:49:50
	But if you look at the history and you repeat it, that's kind of.	00:49:54
	Not the right, I don't want to say that.	00:49:57
	But that's so and so.	00:50:00
	So in my opinion, and we can always bring the Municipal Court back.	00:50:01
	But in my opinion is that if we use that fund.	00:50:06
	And if the Magistrate Court has.	00:50:08
	A warrant out for somebody and they want to put them in jail.	00:50:11
	I have this money that I could pay the county jail for that warrant.	00:50:14
	Whereas right now we would have to pay extra on top of this.	00:50:18
	And the other thing this happens that the.	00:50:21
	The judges salary has been increased by 2530%.	00:50:23
	It's my. It's my.	00:50:26
	Analogy of somebody selling watermelons on the.	00:50:28
	On the Plaza with a half ton truck and losing money.	00:50:31
	He says, you know what I need is a three quarter ton truck.	00:50:34
	Well.	00:50:36
	That's not going to make you any more money, so.	00:50:37
	That's what's happened.	00:50:40
	So we're going to go into the debt even more.	00:50:41
	And I think.	00:50:43
	If you look at.	00:50:44
	City budgets.	00:50:46
	I have to look for and like I did with the county, it wasn't an easy thing for me to be upset with the county.	00:50:47
	Carrying on, people said. Don't do.	00:50:53
	You know, I have to lookout for the budget.	00:50:54
	And the budget is going to hurt here in the next 2-3 years because I can see a downtrend.	00:50:57
	And I just have to be careful as to what the budget is.	00:51:03
	We continue to increase the firefighters, the police officers and the rest of the salaries in the city.	00:51:06
	And, and we have to watch every penny that we spend and make sure it's meaningful.	00:51:13
	Councillor Shalomi made the comment.	00:51:18
	But let's see what we're getting from the Municipal Court and what we're going to lose.	00:51:20
	So that's what you have to wait. It's not anything specific about this court.	00:51:23
	How many cases come before the 4th this year?	00:51:28
	So so yes. So.	00:51:37
	Everything of the court system runs is basically what is.	00:51:39
	Brought into the art court.	00:51:43
	So if you want to see an increase.	00:51:45
	Then the police officers have to cite more into our court.	00:51:47
	If there's a.	00:51:51
	An equipment or a vehicle or.	00:51:53
	A traffic infraction.	00:51:56
	Then that's what they do. They cite.	00:51:58
	Into Municipal Court.	00:52:00
	So and then.	00:52:01
	There's a certain amount that we enforce.	00:52:03
	And same with the code violation. Same with the animal control.	00:52:06
	Citations. There's a certain amount.	00:52:11
	That is for each citation that comes into the court.	00:52:14
	So.	00:52:17
	The public should learn.	00:52:19
	At What's out there.	00:52:21
	Now, so if there's if you think of cars doing something bad.	00:52:24
	It's not, it's not the courts fault. It's.	00:52:27
	OK, so it's it's we we run.	00:52:30
	The court based on.	00:52:34
	Citations that come through our court.	00:52:36
	But how many?	00:52:39
	Cases, did you say?	00:52:41
	So I have I'll give you this booklet here.	00:52:46
	You can look at.	00:52:49
	You can even actually have this one.	00:52:50
	So as to back to.	00:52:53
	I'm going to kind of divert from that a little bit.	00:52:55
	So back to what the mayor said about how much money we lost in the last 10 years. So.	00:52:57
	The course generated according to the paperwork that we have.	00:53:04
	Has generated 836,560.	00:53:07
	Over the last 10 years.	00:53:10
	So we.	00:53:12
	Part of that.	00:53:13
	Goes to the Police Department.	00:53:15
	So 286.	00:53:16
	6629 goes to the Police Department.	00:53:18
	15,000.	00:53:21
	500 goes to the animal shelter.	00:53:22
	200 and 8064 Ghosts of the City.	00:53:24
	Under 74850 goes to.	00:53:27
	Detention center and then 78.	00:53:30
	688 has gone to the state.	00:53:33
	So that's what we calculated based on the information we have to support.	00:53:35
	So, but back to your question.	00:53:39
	The.	00:53:42
	The case numbers.	00:53:47
	We'll start back in 2016. This is under Chief Mike Winters. 2016 we had 2300.	00:53:48
	13 cases.	00:53:54
	2017 we had 17145 kids.	00:53:55
	2020 we had 2009 cases.	00:53:59
	2019 we have 15198 cases.	00:54:02
	2020 COVID hit so we only had.	00:54:06
	553 cases.	00:54:08
	21 corporate was still around, so we had 900.	00:54:11
	Cases, uh.	00:54:14
	Then the chief, Angel Garcia, took over.	00:54:16
	And in 22 we had.	00:54:20
	845.	00:54:22
	In 23 we had 895.	00:54:24
	In 24 we actually did pretty decent. We have 13150.	00:54:27
	And now?	00:54:31
	As we ran this report, it was for 2025.	00:54:34
	Is 651.	00:54:38
	Judge to clarify, is that the case is in your court or are these citations?	00:54:39
	He's not a sanitation because they're not processed in the court.	00:54:43
	He's at the citation.	00:54:46
	The other thing too is if you go down to the next level and I'll give you this book.	00:54:49
	No, I didn't give you this portion.	00:54:55
	Oh, you did. OK, so you do have the copy. So if you see as a code enforcement officer.	00:54:57
	In 2022 when I came into office.	00:55:02
	We only had 6 citations and you know, there's other avenues if if the officer, code enforcement officer.	00:55:05
	Was able to.	00:55:10
	Correct the issue.	00:55:12
	By verbally talking to him and getting it done.	00:55:13
	I have no idea on that.	00:55:16
	You would have to look at the Code Enforcement Office case files for each year.	00:55:17
	On 20/20 and that was with two officers.	00:55:22
	By the way.	00:55:24
	On 20/22.	00:55:25
	In 2023.	00:55:27
	We had 11 citations before the court.	00:55:28
	We started off with two officers and then for some apparently.	00:55:30
	Reason One officer left and it was down to one officer.	00:55:33
	In 2024.	00:55:37
	We had four citations with one officer.	00:55:38
	On the 2025 so far we had.	00:55:41
	One, but I was looking at what was bought in recently so we had a couple of more.	00:55:43
	So and.	00:55:49
	On the court enforcement side, I'm not sure unless.	00:55:50
	Handled.	00:55:53
	He would apparently would have to have a some kind of.	00:55:54
	Filing system on how many?	00:55:57
	People he's addressed.	00:55:59
	Within the community.	00:56:01
	Community with.	00:56:02
	The violations.	00:56:04
	OK. And then and the other thing too is?	00:56:05
	On the enum control side.	00:56:08
	In 2022.	00:56:09
	We had 53.	00:56:12
	Citations from.	00:56:13
	The animal control portion.	00:56:15
	We have 40 citations with by the police officer.	00:56:16
	In 2023 we had 35.	00:56:19
	With the animal control and.	00:56:21
	Seven from the police officer.	00:56:23
	A Police Department a 24.	00:56:25
	We had a 54.	00:56:28
	From the out of control and 13 from.	00:56:29
	Police Department.	00:56:31
	2025 So far we've got 36.	00:56:33
	And one from the Police Department.	00:56:35
	And each one of.	00:56:38
	Each of these.	00:56:39
	The same.	00:56:42
	Raymond, Harry.	00:56:43
	When you look at the the citation to make sure everything is is.	00:56:45
	That's correct in that citation. If it's not, we have to dismiss it. That's just way that the court system runs.	00:56:49
	And.	00:56:54
	It's going to basically.	00:56:57
	Give the same amount of fine.	00:57:00
	As we do here in the city.	00:57:01
	So and then back to what I was saying that.	00:57:03
	The the caseload that the Magistrate Court has.	00:57:06
	Is according to the.	00:57:10
	It's just going to be a lot of.	00:57:13
	Cases before him. So it's going to be on a docket case. It might not be seen for months at a time.	00:57:15
	So I just had one quick question. Sure.	00:57:20
	What does the judge but as remember the community.	00:57:23
	I'm looking at these numbers in a 2006.	00:57:25
	You know, 23.	00:57:28
	2016.	00:57:35
	When I was under my planners.	00:57:37
	And now you're down to 651.	00:57:38
	My question is what number would that have to go down to?	00:57:42
	Important, you'd say?	00:57:45
	Would you say you're right?	00:57:49
	I'm seeing these numbers every year appear to go down, which is grateful.	00:57:56
	I'm happy about that.	00:58:01
	What we have less enforcement officer, I'm not going to.	00:58:03
	Well, that's one point of view, ma'am.	00:58:07
	Right, I'm not in favor.	00:58:12
	I'm not trying to make a point here in the.	00:58:20
	I have I have to do all the fact that.	00:58:23
	But what you say?	00:58:28
	The next report is here for a reason. We're.	00:58:34
	Third party brands were not influenced by city government.	00:58:37
	Whatsoever.	00:58:41
	So we.	00:58:42
	So there you go. So.	00:58:45
	It's it's not.	00:58:47
	Depending on.	00:58:48
	On the court, whether we should still be here or not, it's depending on.	00:58:49
	The departments that issue citations into the court.	00:58:54
	So if one.	00:58:58
	One piece of the.	00:59:01
	Of the of the Pi isn't working.	00:59:02
	Then everything goes away.	00:59:05
	It's it's not going to go away.	00:59:07
	You said me looking.	00:59:10
	Towards everything as a citizen of Socorro.	00:59:13
	OK, so.	00:59:16
	Everybody here that the citizen of Sakura if you if you drive around.	00:59:17
	You see the issue?	00:59:21
	There's a lot of issues here.	00:59:23
	With the debris.	00:59:24
	Things falling apart and if that's not going to go away, it hasn't gone away.	00:59:26
	We've had an issue.	00:59:31
	Defendants when they come into my court.	00:59:34
	And there there's a citation written.	00:59:36
	On inoperable vehicles, weeds, or whatever it may be.	00:59:39
	They always point out a certain property.	00:59:42
	OK. And the property they bring up?	00:59:45
	In the court, every single time.	00:59:47
	There's a property behind.	00:59:50
	Brooks.	00:59:51
	We've had issues with that property.	00:59:53
	Number of times we had.	00:59:55
	I don't know how many fires 3 to 4 fires.	00:59:57
	And that location, we've had basements living in that.	01:00:00
	In that building.	01:00:03
	There's nothing that's been cited into my.	01:00:04
	Support in reference to that problem.	01:00:07
	So you would have to talk to the code enforcement officer.	01:00:09
	To see how that's been addressed.	01:00:13
	Because every time you have a.	01:00:15
	Fire at.	01:00:16
	That any property, especially if it's an ongoing.	01:00:18
	Issue over and over again. Now you're looking at.	01:00:22
	Cost Analysis.	01:00:26
	You're looking at the fire department being sent out.	01:00:27
	You're you're sending out the fire trucks.	01:00:29
	Sending out the police to.	01:00:32
	Requirement for traffic control.	01:00:33
	Officers, uh.	01:00:35
	There to keep traffic control. So now you have everything.	01:00:37
	Our EMS, we have our Police Department.	01:00:40
	Oh, fighting a fire.	01:00:43
	And then making sure there's nobody in the fire.	01:00:46
	So now our resources are now.	01:00:48
	There's money to begin with, but now we have nothing out in the city.	01:00:51
	So you're supposed to rely on the service department and the state police if you have something serious.	01:00:54
	So as a citizen.	01:00:59
	You have to address a lot of things.	01:01:02
	So anyway, you had a question, maybe we should ask somebody else.	01:01:04
	Come up, you got a.	01:01:10
	Identify yourself.	01:01:12
	That's OK, you know.	01:01:17
	And listening to this and didn't know anything about it.	01:01:19
	I've worked in the judicial.	01:01:23
	For 13 years. In January would be 14 years. I worked in the DA's office for the first part.	01:01:26
	I worked with Judge Murphy as a monitor.	01:01:32
	And now I'm doing pre prosecution aversion Beckett.	01:01:35
	At the DA's office, so.	01:01:38
	I see a lot of this stuff every.	01:01:41
	I watch our attorneys leave on.	01:01:43
	Days, especially the middle of the week, to Magistrate Court.	01:01:46
	Like stacks?	01:01:52
	Of files and is not one attorney and they're going to Magistrate Court.	01:01:53
	And they're there all day.	01:01:58
	Because it is so backed up.	01:02:00
	So, so, so the question is whether the Office of the Courts.	01:02:03
	Should allow another magistrate in this.	01:02:06
	Jurisdiction.	01:02:09
	Well, but I don't know.	01:02:10
	Something has to happen because if you look more on Felix.	01:02:12
	Sure.	01:02:16
	I don't think that stuff will ever.	01:02:17
	Well, no, when I mentioned that, I understand that.	01:02:19
	As far as?	01:02:26
	Just because I'm at that office all the time.	01:02:28
	You know, I see.	01:02:31
	This doesn't work because this is coded on. This doesn't work because that.	01:02:33
	You know, I'm sorry.	01:02:40
	I can't be still.	01:02:42
	I talk like that.	01:02:43
	So there's so much that comes up to.	01:02:47
	To make everything get to court and go through court.	01:02:52
	Correctly.	01:02:56
	You know.	01:02:57
	We dismiss cases.	01:03:01
	They have to fix something. We file cases. Can you refile?	01:03:03
	But you've got to get the cops. You got whoever.	01:03:08
	Is the charging. You've got to get them to fix that.	01:03:12
	So, umm.	01:03:15
	You know our office bugs the heck out of them until we get what we want so that we can go back.	01:03:16
	But uh.	01:03:22
	But you know, all I know is.	01:03:24
	If you put more on Magistrate Court.	01:03:27
	I'm not sure what's going to happen and I know they even took a bunch of.	01:03:30
	Like the compliance stuff?	01:03:34
	Away from them and now that's going to be with all the felonies are going to be with District Court.	01:03:37
	And I have another question.	01:03:43
	When I was at the courts.	01:03:46
	If you were a monitor, everybody in the state got.	01:03:48
	Whenever.	01:03:52
	They got a raise, so every judge got a raise when they got a raise is.	01:03:52
	At how you got the raise or?	01:03:56
	So you're not in that.	01:04:04
	So during this time.	01:04:06
	I thought it would be pumped after that position.	01:04:08
	This program is generated because they hadn't received it.	01:04:11
	OK, so.	01:04:16
	That includes City Council members, the mayor that raised too so.	01:04:18
	This this mirror didn't get arranged.	01:04:24
	From No.	01:04:26
	It'll be the next mayor.	01:04:29
	Well, definitely you don't get no races.	01:04:30
	Not for, not for 35 years.	01:04:33
	From where I'm at.	01:04:37
	And my other thing is we're talking about raises.	01:04:38
	My.	01:04:41
	Of pre prosecution diversion.	01:04:42
	I had some contact with.	01:04:44
	I don't understand anyway.	01:04:49
	I got to do some stuff.	01:04:50
	With Animal Control.	01:04:52
	OK. And.	01:04:54
	I listened a lot to how.	01:04:56
	Kind of.	01:04:59
	That was running.	01:05:00
	And.	01:05:01
	I think you need more people there.	01:05:04
	You know what I mean? I, the county guy was working in the city.	01:05:07
	You know.	01:05:10
	What's that you're going to start on that?	01:05:16
	That's a long story.	01:05:18
	And is.	01:05:20
	I don't know even know who the city.	01:05:23
	Animal control person is now, but at that time.	01:05:26
	Wasn't that guy that was in charge of?	01:05:29
	The animal shelter also.	01:05:32
	The 911.	01:05:35
	So we have two we actually we.	01:05:38
	The county quit animal control.	01:05:40
	And we hired him.	01:05:43
	At the city, so we have two animals. We're a little off the subject.	01:05:45
	But I can use some of that money, Christian.	01:05:51
	33 so yeah.	01:05:54
	Yeah, so we did. But you know, I mean, again, it has to do with budgets.	01:05:57
	It has to do with how much money we have.	01:06:01
	And again.	01:06:04
	Stay with the Municipal Court question.	01:06:06
	It has to do with the budget.	01:06:08
	And I understand, and I mentioned that ahead of time about the magistrate.	01:06:11
	But, and I can ask the assistant Chief Greenwood.	01:06:15
	But the some of the citations are going to.	01:06:18
	To a mandatory court.	01:06:21
	From the.	01:06:23
	Sorry.	01:06:24
	So the numbers have decreased because some of them are going to Magistrate Court and the other thing is the 2000 number that when	01:06:27
	Chief Winters was here.	01:06:31
	Those are mostly clerical.	01:06:36
	They're not in court.	01:06:39
	Cases. That's what I wanted to call clarify.	01:06:40
	Those 2300 are not in court cases.	01:06:44
	Those are citations that some people just plead to.	01:06:48
	And they have to be, they have to be, they have to be clerically done.	01:06:51
	Right. But but that's, you know, those are not.	01:06:55
	Now the dog cases.	01:06:57
	And some of the the citations for code enforcement.	01:06:59
	Are some are in court cases, but those numbers are small.	01:07:03
	Yeah, the in court cases.	01:07:06
	And I don't know that my, I don't think there's a justification.	01:07:08
	For the amount of money we're losing.	01:07:12
	No, I just, I didn't even know this was on. Well, then, OK, Just listening to it, I was like, well, don't worry, we won't hold it	01:07:14
	against you. It's OK. I'll talk to you about a horse.	01:07:19
	But you have some, you have some expertise and thank you for, thank you for bringing that.	01:07:25
	So based on what you said, Mayor?	01:07:29
	Between the citations brought in and court cases.	01:07:32
	So when you have an arraignment hearing, that's a court case.	01:07:35
	Depending how they plea.	01:07:37
	Will continue to.	01:07:39
	So how many citation is that 2300 arrangements?	01:07:41
	No SO.	01:07:45
	This people with the coral or anywhere in the state, in the state of New Mexico.	01:07:47
	They have law enforcement is.	01:07:51
	Supposed to provide two options.	01:07:54
	Either penalty assessment.	01:07:56
	For a court hearing.	01:07:57
	All right. And how many of those are court hearings?	01:08:02
	I didn't write that down.	01:08:06
	That's convenient.	01:08:10
	So yes, Sir.	01:08:12
	Oh no.	01:08:15
	Hello.	01:08:21
	So on the code enforcement officer, I just wanted to come see my piece.	01:08:23
	I don't believe it's not one person doing their job.	01:08:27
	I think it's tough for our Municipal Court with the process that they've been given.	01:08:30
	It's hard to sink your teeth into someone.	01:08:34
	I'm literally happy to tell me I will take.	01:08:38
	The fine.	01:08:41
	And not go to court.	01:08:43
	And take the warrant.	01:08:44
	What's gonna happen to me?	01:08:46
	So.	01:08:47
	I just came with some ideas.	01:08:49
	Instead of going to Magistrate Court.	01:08:52
	My idea was to have our own administrative hearings here at the city.	01:08:54
	We'd hire an administrative officer.	01:08:57
	And they would hear all the cases.	01:08:59
	With that philosophy, you're not going after the person.	01:09:02
	You're going after the property.	01:09:05
	And doing some research, you can possibly do that with the municipal courts too.	01:09:07
	But like I said, I was just bringing ideas to the table.	01:09:14
	But for doing work.	01:09:18
	Stuff like that.	01:09:20
	Since 2022.	01:09:22
	Since I started, we removed.	01:09:23
	100 tons of junk.	01:09:25
	And people heard the 70.	01:09:27
	£1000 a year.	01:09:28
	And my philosophy for code enforcement is to work with the community, not against it. So.	01:09:31
	The absolute last resort for me would be to write a citation.	01:09:36
	And I can't say that I've written a rotate or a citation and.	01:09:40
	Not had like the proper hearings and all that. Everything's done right.	01:09:45
	It's just the process, that squad.	01:09:50
	I think we got to rewrite the process if possible.	01:09:53
	I think.	01:09:56
	Municipal court's hands are tied with that.	01:09:58
	But I've found other tools. Citations are one tool.	01:10:02
	I use that tool as I see fit.	01:10:06
	And a lot of the times with pressure.	01:10:09
	And just.	01:10:12
	Helping out in the community.	01:10:14
	They worked with me.	01:10:16
	So I'm not gonna cite people just for the sake of citing people.	01:10:17
	Of course, if you're not going to work with me.	01:10:22
	I will thank you.	01:10:24
	We will go to court.	01:10:25
	And whether you get a warrant.	01:10:27
	OK, fine.	01:10:29
	Regardless, I mean, I got to figure out ways around.	01:10:31
	To get people to clean up properties and for the property that was in reference.	01:10:34
	Behind John Brooks it was never studied into court because.	01:10:39
	It took me maybe a month or two but I had that even removed.	01:10:43
	It was destroyed.	01:10:47
	And we are now working on the cleanup part so.	01:10:49
	Like I said, it's just.	01:10:53
	Writing citations. The Municipal Court.	01:10:55
	My truck, My trailer.	01:10:57
	Abatements.	01:10:59
	Writing letters to people, they're all just tool that I use and.	01:11:00
	Some things I need to show with some days in your week.	01:11:04
	So.	01:11:06
	OK anyone else would like to make a comment that's from the public?	01:11:08
	Come on up.	01:11:12
	My name is Mario model.	01:11:20
	You smoke for you guys?	01:11:23
	So muscle running for City Council, but.	01:11:25
	So I've been approached and.	01:11:27
	Just talk to Chris.	01:11:29
	I've got his perspective. He's actually done a lot of work.	01:11:32
	With outside work.	01:11:34
	Caught with support and stuff.	01:11:36
	Which is.	01:11:37
	In my opinion, a good thing.	01:11:39
	You know, if you're not gonna have to cite it and you're still getting people.	01:11:40
	Cooperate. That's great.	01:11:43
	Talked to Joseph, he says that's.	01:11:45
	You know, uh.	01:11:47
	Is the and.	01:11:50
	Just hearing Kenneth.	01:11:52
	Earlier he said that.	01:11:53
	Some of them are going to.	01:11:54
	Magistrate and someone going to.	01:11:55
	Municipal SO.	01:11:58
	Is there a mini world?	01:11:59
	Joseph, we could get more information on it.	01:12:01
	All that stuff and.	01:12:04
	So when officer of England.	01:12:05
	When I mentioned mention.	01:12:09
	Majesty so.	01:12:10
	Municipal Court doesn't handle DWI.	01:12:13
	So if a.	01:12:15
	Person decided for.	01:12:18
	You can't break up.	01:12:20
	The citations with the chart.	01:12:21
	So everything has to go.	01:12:22
	To Magistrate Court so but a person is charged.	01:12:24
	With a criminal case.	01:12:27
	With the vehicle then the citations go magistrate if it's a felon.	01:12:31
	If it's a.	01:12:35
	Above, I don't know what it is. What is it?	01:12:37
	Officer Greenwood, the amount.	01:12:39
	No, for the criminal charges.	01:12:44
	So if somebody's charged with.	01:12:50
	Fence or.	01:12:51
	Nice to meet and what's the amount?	01:12:53
	For the 4th, it goes to the municipal.	01:12:56
	Is his officer description. They want to say we have an organs for and one side.	01:13:01
	But most of our ordinance.	01:13:05
	So after talking to the Magistrate Judge.	01:13:16
	He's had a actually a conversation with.	01:13:20
	With the mayor asking him to cite.	01:13:23
	Having asking the officer settings municipal for that reason because he.	01:13:26
	His case was so overwhelmed.	01:13:30
	So the majority of.	01:13:32
	Traffic cases should be coming to municipal.	01:13:34
	Report not the magistracy.	01:13:37
	But if there's like once again, if there's.	01:13:39
	An offense that.	01:13:42
	Charged.	01:13:44
	Then all the traffic.	01:13:46
	Violations go.	01:13:48
	Towards the case you can't separate.	01:13:49
	OK, so.	01:13:55
	One question is.	01:13:58
	So is there a reason we're dropping our?	01:14:00
	Citations. Uh.	01:14:02
	Between the dog catchers and everything else, that is.	01:14:05
	I mean, just looking at the thing, like I said, you said earlier, it's not all I'm going to court.	01:14:07
	Or being held in the judge thing.	01:14:13
	But you can just you can see it can significant.	01:14:16
	Amount of the drop.	01:14:19
	One of the citations.	01:14:21
	Is there a reason for that or?	01:14:22
	You know that that's all I want.	01:14:25
	I mean the reason.	01:14:27
	As one of the people said, could be the.	01:14:29
	Staffing. We were short on staff at one time. We finally got fully staffed.	01:14:32
	The other reason is we're not siding this often.	01:14:37
	But the bottom line is you're not going to cite yourself out of this deficit.	01:14:39
	We're not going to try to side ourselves.	01:14:43
	And making more money for the court just to get out of the deficit.	01:14:46
	I'm just saying there's a history of 10 years.	01:14:50
	Of constantly going.	01:14:52
	In the whole almost 100,000 a year.	01:14:54
	And how we're going to change that?	01:14:57
	In my opinion is.	01:15:00
	It's not going to change.	01:15:01
	And that's why I'm asking the judge.	01:15:03
	What are your PIN?	01:15:06
	Court numbers? As far as how many?	01:15:08
	Because you're not getting that money from the dog, you're not getting that much from code enforcement.	01:15:11
	And I don't know if we're getting a lot of people that are fighting the.	01:15:16
	The citations.	01:15:19
	So what is really the the purpose of that court other than clerical?	01:15:20
	So. But I can't answer your question about why the.	01:15:25
	I'm not saying.	01:15:28
	I mean, I understand the Police Department has been on our staff for years.	01:15:29
	Just like the fire department, we were always on the staff for years.	01:15:33
	They do the best they can with what they got, you know, And that's, that's.	01:15:37
	The police department's always been.	01:15:41
	Good to us.	01:15:43
	As the fire department, they would.	01:15:44
	They had our back when we always had.	01:15:45
	Something happened or something. They were always there for us. They always took care of us.	01:15:48
	And like I said, they're undermanned.	01:15:52
	It's good to see that they're all getting staffed now and stuff.	01:15:54
	And like I said, those are just a couple questions I have.	01:15:58
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:16:02
	So in reference to the court cases.	01:16:05
	So when somebody comes into court, an arraignment hearing, if I'm able to explain to them how the system.	01:16:08
	Runs correctly.	01:16:15
	They make that choice. They make that choice not to go to trial. They make that choice to to work with the judge.	01:16:16
	At the arraignment hearing.	01:16:22
	And like I said.	01:16:25
	The option of penalty assessment versus.	01:16:27
	For cases.	01:16:29
	It depends on what the officer.	01:16:32
	How? He explains.	01:16:34
	The two different.	01:16:36
	Options when it comes to.	01:16:38
	A citation? No, but I'm just asking in real time. Maybe Brittany can tell us.	01:16:41
	In real time.	01:16:46
	What's your average number of in court cases?	01:16:47
	During the last three months, what's the number of cases per day?	01:16:51
	In court.	01:16:55
	So I'm not sure.	01:16:56
	So for the last couple of months, I would say we would have.	01:17:03
	At least 15 cases.	01:17:06
	Per day.	01:17:08
	And that's because since this whole process has started.	01:17:10
	We haven't really received any citations from the Police Department.	01:17:14
	So I'm not sure if they're all going to Magistrate Court or?	01:17:17
	No, but I guess I hate to just keep. I'm talking about 10 years, but maybe you can give me a.	01:17:21
	Six month average, you're having 15 cases every day.	01:17:26
	For for six months.	01:17:30
	For six months.	01:17:33
	Yes, 15 to 20 cases a day.	01:17:34
	That's five days a week.	01:17:36
	And it's five days a week.	01:17:38
	So there's 90 cases.	01:17:39
	Per week.	01:17:42
	Yes. So we receive every collect citations every week in court, not the citation of clerical I'm saying in court.	01:17:44
	Where you have a person in front of the judge.	01:17:51
	Yes.	01:17:53
	I would say.	01:17:54
	With collecting 50 citations.	01:17:56
	For that week, we would have 20 citations.	01:17:58
	In court in front of the judge.	01:18:01
	And.	01:18:03
	30 citations for.	01:18:04
	Penalty assessments, which they're just paying the.	01:18:06
	OK. So and I can get that number. They're just, I mean again a clarification you have somebody?	01:18:11
	At a hearing with the judge, not just that's.	01:18:16
	That's say, arguing against this citation person pleading that's 15.	01:18:20
	The case, yes, so that that's 90 a week.	01:18:24
	And that's for six months times.	01:18:28
	24.	01:18:31
	That's almost 2500 citations, 2500 appearances.	01:18:34
	When you're saying you only have 830.	01:18:40
	That this.	01:18:43
	This has been.	01:18:45
	Sent to you.	01:18:46
	So 830.	01:18:48
	But you better test an 90 a week times.	01:18:50
	24.	01:18:53
	That's almost 2300.	01:18:54
	Citations are.	01:18:57
	Appearances.	01:18:58
	So no so out of the 15 scheduled for the day.	01:19:00
	So we have 10, we get 5.	01:19:04
	Or 1715? Well, my question was.	01:19:06
	How many in front of the judges? 15 or 5?	01:19:10
	Well, it just depends on the day. I can't give you that number.	01:19:13
	Today I could get to that number tomorrow.	01:19:16
	But on average it would be at least 10.	01:19:19
	But then again, if you multiply that out.	01:19:23
	Yes, that's.	01:19:26
	Even if it's.	01:19:28
	Yes, and that's whether they're going to pay the fine or not.	01:19:29
	They could request to see the judge and they could still go before the judge.	01:19:32
	I don't see that in the numbers you're showing.	01:19:37
	I don't see the numbers like that.	01:19:39
	OK, if you multiply it out, that's 8.	01:19:41
	Even if it's fifty or.	01:19:44
	A week.	01:19:45
	Times 24 weeks, that's 1011 hundred people that you've seen.	01:19:46
	And there's only a total of 833 citations which.	01:19:50
	Part of her a clerical.	01:19:54
	Yes, so.	01:19:57
	I mean, I could get you the numbers on what we hear a week. Well, I'm just going by the numbers I see that the judge brought.	01:19:58
	Yeah, that's what we've collected. But what we hear in the week is a different count. That's that's the thing I'm saying what is	01:20:04
	the?	01:20:07
	What is the importance of the court other than?	01:20:11
	A clerical and if you send 5A day.	01:20:14
	Of four a day to the Magistrate.	01:20:17
	Is it worth an extra $100,000? That's all I'm saying.	01:20:19
	Tanya.	01:20:24
	You're going to be a celebrity. Come on, come on.	01:20:29
	Yeah, you're on camera too, by the way.	01:20:32
	Are the City Council records.	01:20:38
	I'm not coming here anymore.	01:20:40
	Till next year.	01:20:43
	I forgot what I'm like. OK, so my question is if you.	01:20:44
	Did have two magistrate judges.	01:20:49
	Right.	01:20:53
	Because I.	01:20:56
	Believe you don't have to.	01:20:57
	Like a specific education for that, right?	01:20:59
	You can just run for Magistrate Judge.	01:21:02
	So would you then take?	01:21:04
	A judge that's already.	01:21:07
	Like, oh, I couldn't do that.	01:21:10
	I mean as the officer of the court asking what is that?	01:21:13
	And where would that money?	01:21:16
	It still stayed.	01:21:18
	I mean, if, yeah, that's a totally different, OK.	01:21:22
	How's this? No, no, we couldn't. We wouldn't.	01:21:24
	No. So what's the process? If you wanted to do that, then, well, the Office of the Courts has to decide.	01:21:26
	I think that's what that's what TRC is asking for.	01:21:32
	That's what they're asking for. They went to the Office of the Courts.	01:21:35
	OK. I was just curious what?	01:21:38
	Like the process would be for that. Well, you should know it. That's the DA.	01:21:40
	So it's a fake statute, the process to abolish a court. It's a 35141 and there's.	01:21:43
	Different steps.	01:21:50
	What? The city government?	01:21:52
	Has to do and we created an Advisory Board.	01:21:54
	That was the first step.	01:21:59
	And now we're discussing.	01:22:01
	We're getting to the snow pretty soon.	01:22:04
	And you the.	01:22:07
	Never reached back to our budget so.	01:22:09
	Well, I I under I understand.	01:22:12
	Like that there's a loss of money. So I guess my just question would be.	01:22:14
	If we added another court, where would that money come from Us? Basically what I was saying.	01:22:19
	Thank you. So Mr. Field, so yes and no so.	01:22:26
	He said.	01:22:29
	If it's taken, if it's given to magistrate yet?	01:22:31
	But if you create a hearing.	01:22:33
	Now you have to.	01:22:36
	Create the process.	01:22:37
	Hire somebody to.	01:22:39
	Be there during the committee.	01:22:42
	So there's different avenues that you have to.	01:22:44
	Create.	01:22:47
	Before you can.	01:22:48
	Start this committee unless they've already.	01:22:49
	Started it. I'm not sure.	01:22:51
	Other other napkin.	01:22:52
	Thank you, Mr. Mayor.	01:22:56
	The only thing I wanted to point out.	01:22:58
	Himself on all these cases that you.	01:23:00
	That you.	01:23:03
	When there's a fine.	01:23:05
	Do you?	01:23:06
	Do they pay or can you give them community service?	01:23:07
	So.	01:23:11
	That's another.	01:23:12
	Perhaps, I think.	01:23:14
	A little thing I gave you.	01:23:15
	It explains it so.	01:23:17
	But but the.	01:23:18
	Municipal Judge.	01:23:19
	Message us or or.	01:23:21
	What they can do is somebody comes into court and whether it's whatever it is.	01:23:23
	They can make him pay the fine.	01:23:28
	If they choose not to pay the fine.	01:23:30
	And but we have to give them time to pay the fine.	01:23:33
	And if they?	01:23:37
	They don't pay. The fine at the court is ordered.	01:23:38
	Then the way the judicial system works.	01:23:41
	Now we got to offer community service.	01:23:44
	So we get them in order to do committee service. So if they don't do the community service.	01:23:46
	Now we issue a warrant.	01:23:51
	So once we wish, you issue a warrant.	01:23:53
	Now it's on the hands of the Police Department.	01:23:56
	To put that arrest.	01:23:58
	So we do and then and then the other thing too.	01:24:01
	Is we have to look at.	01:24:04
	Whether if they have mental health issues, we got to look at that also.	01:24:06
	There's a there's a several things.	01:24:09
	I'm just saying, you know, because we are a small town and we do no other, you know, all our people. So sometimes you know that.	01:24:13
	They're not going to be able to afford the $3040 for the citation, so he's going to give them.	01:24:20
	Community service, so that's not going to bring the income.	01:24:25
	Because you're.	01:24:28
	You know you can't put him in jail because it cost me $75 a day.	01:24:29
	But so that makes the fine even.	01:24:34
	Moot.	01:24:37
	That's what you do is well.	01:24:39
	That's why I'm trying to just keep it on the budget. I'm not trying to keep it on the process that's going on in the court. I'm	01:24:43
	just trying to keep it according to the budget and how we're going to just continue the budget if he's not charging.	01:24:48
	But again, I never tell the judge what to do.	01:24:54
	I know, but.	01:24:57
	So and I'll talk to my comment is more on the budget. Mr. Mayor, just go ahead and introduce yourself.	01:24:59
	My name is JC Trujillo.	01:25:04
	And I'm actually on the advisory committee, but I did want to just.	01:25:06
	Point out that.	01:25:10
	When it comes to the budget piece of this.	01:25:12
	The expense or the?	01:25:15
	Cost of its custom city right now.	01:25:18
	Over 10 years is.	01:25:20
	A little under $1,000,000.	01:25:21
	One of the things that.	01:25:24
	Yes, that expense does go away, but it.	01:25:25
	Does appear to be.	01:25:27
	More of a wash because all the penalty assessment and all of that revenue that was coming to the city right now.	01:25:30
	Actually, because it's being assessed by Magistrate Court, it's actually gonna go to the state and the.	01:25:35
	In the AOC, so the city will actually not see that revenue.	01:25:41
	So that postpaid is is there, it's going to essentially be a wash. It's still going to be Ruby was that built into the revenue and	01:25:45
	this?	01:25:48
	Yes. So that's already built into the revenue.	01:25:52
	So the revenue is the 145.	01:25:56
	That the city's transferring and then the Rev. That's part of what the judge said we're getting.	01:25:58
	I think Ruby already put that into the revenue figures.	01:26:03
	So that's not an excess.	01:26:14
	That's figured into this 100 and.	01:26:16
	Disfigured into their money. That's if you look on the bottom here. If you look, you'll see.	01:26:18
	The revenue and you see the expense.	01:26:22
	For 2025 there was 79,000.	01:26:25
	That was expensed.	01:26:27
	And revenue was?	01:26:28
	65,000.	01:26:31
	But the total expense was 144,000.	01:26:32
	Right. But I'm just looking up at the top where it says.	01:26:34
	What actually generated?	01:26:37
	By the court, not with the.	01:26:39
	Contributing, right?	01:26:41
	Was generated by the court and penalty assessments that amount right there.	01:26:42
	That 65,000 a year.	01:26:48
	Is what the city does. That's what it is.	01:26:50
	That's what it broke out. That's what it broke out. As to what?	01:26:52
	Each department and then.	01:26:55
	Don't tell the departments, but we weren't giving it to them.	01:26:58
	But that was the money that came to general fund that.	01:27:03
	He broke out in different sections.	01:27:06
	Animal Control.	01:27:08
	Police, but that added up to the 65 that you're talking about.	01:27:09
	5000, but it is $145,000.	01:27:12
	Correct.	01:27:16
	So yeah, so I'm just trying to point out that it's.	01:27:19
	You're still losing some of the revenue that you're not going to see anymore.	01:27:22
	So.	01:27:24
	It's talking about the same expense.	01:27:25
	Based on on the numbers.	01:27:28
	No, we already OK.	01:27:30
	So the other thing too is.	01:27:32
	Remotely, the Municipal Court and.	01:27:34
	Taking our budget.	01:27:37
	Is this going to put a Band-Aid on the cities of issues so.	01:27:38
	Whatever you do with the money is.	01:27:41
	Up to you and the council members, which is?	01:27:43
	That's your prerogative.	01:27:46
	But the other thing too is.	01:27:48
	My municipal clerk has been here for almost 1213 years.	01:27:51
	So.	01:27:54
	I'm sure that the city is going to be able to.	01:27:56
	Put her somewhere else if you abolish the court.	01:27:58
	But The thing is, now you're not.	01:28:01
	When you put into another position.	01:28:03
	That money is not going away because.	01:28:05
	You have teared as a city employee.	01:28:07
	So you're going to have to put in another.	01:28:09
	So the other key thing too.	01:28:12
	In reference to this budget here.	01:28:14
	Is when we go to building, maintenance, utilities and everything else.	01:28:17
	During the office expenses and stuff.	01:28:21
	So.	01:28:24
	When you decide to move us to the Zimmerli school.	01:28:25
	My belief.	01:28:29
	That building is so huge.	01:28:32
	The cost of heating and cooling.	01:28:35
	Is not going to be compared to what it's going to be.	01:28:37
	This will be under.	01:28:41
	Compared to what's going to be used over there.	01:28:42
	At the at the school.	01:28:44
	So when it comes to building maintenance.	01:28:47
	I'm not sure how the.	01:28:50
	The council members that the city does that, but that's not going away. It's.	01:28:51
	That you're just taking.	01:28:55
	This source.	01:28:57
	To another building. That's all you're doing.	01:28:59
	As for As for the.	01:29:01
	Budget I I understand what you're saying about the budget, but the capital cost of.	01:29:03
	Putting the Municipal Court.	01:29:08
	And then Zimmerly is $1 million.	01:29:09
	And so if you want to just stay at your place and leave that as a shell.	01:29:12
	That'd be fine with me too if if the Municipal Court continues, if that's your comment that it's going to be increased our	01:29:16
	utilities.	01:29:19
	We may have to do that.	01:29:22
	But.	01:29:23
	The capital cost of that whole project is 6,000,000.	01:29:24
	And 1,000,000 of that goes to the Municipal Court.	01:29:27
	To make it into.	01:29:30
	The regular court, so we can we could skip that.	01:29:32
	So. So if you boss the court then you still can't collect that money.	01:29:34
	If we want, if you abolish the court, do you still collect that revenue?	01:29:38
	No, no, no, we don't have that money.	01:29:43
	That that's a money that hope we're hoping to get in phases over 4 years. We just got a million three.	01:29:45
	To put in the HVAC.	01:29:50
	And so we're going to be building it out, but.	01:29:52
	We can leave that empty.	01:29:54
	That that could just continue to be a shell if you don't have the Municipal Court.	01:29:56
	I think so and but.	01:30:00
	Once again, it's.	01:30:02
	$1,000,000.	01:30:03
	It's not, it's not money we already have.	01:30:05
	As money, I have money.	01:30:08
	Then I would decrease the. I would decrease the budget to redo the building.	01:30:10
	Anyone else?	01:30:16
	Well, it's a good discussion. I know it's expensive, but.	01:30:18
	It's an important issue.	01:30:21
	It affects the judge, it affects the city.	01:30:23
	And Donald?	01:30:25
	I'll give you, I'll give you 15 minutes. Go ahead.	01:30:29
	No, Mr. Mayor, I'd just like to point out the final.	01:30:33
	Phase of this process if it moves forward.	01:30:36
	As you said, the committee will meet on Monday.	01:30:39
	Make a recommendation, provide that to the Council.	01:30:42
	That'll be up to the council whether or not to move on.	01:30:45
	That they decide to move on to the final phase with the Supreme Court.	01:30:48
	So it would be up to the spring vote. What's the vote?	01:30:51
	Is it a percentage or is it the number of counselors that are here?	01:30:56
	I will have to double check that.	01:31:00
	But it's 75%.	01:31:02
	Of the people that are here.	01:31:04
	I'll have to double check that.	01:31:06
	Mr. Mayor Partridge.	01:31:08
	Yeah, just the.	01:31:11
	A couple of comments SO.	01:31:12
	Since this issue went on, I've talked to.	01:31:14
	All sides of it, the code enforcement, the animal control.	01:31:16
	Police officers.	01:31:20
	Judge both judges.	01:31:21
	Both. Both judges.	01:31:24
	Looked into some of the things that have gone on were.	01:31:26
	Some of the municipalities have removed the.	01:31:29
	Municipal Court.	01:31:31
	And I I do have a concern that.	01:31:33
	I mean, I don't. I do realize I voted to.	01:31:37
	Begin this process and abolish it.	01:31:39
	But after looking at the extensively I do, I am concerned that.	01:31:41
	If it is cited.	01:31:44
	Of an issue within the city cited into the Magistrate Court.	01:31:47
	He's seeing about 3000 court cases right now.	01:31:51
	But that's not the. That's not the number of.	01:31:55
	Court cases he's seeing it's the.	01:31:58
	Those are.	01:32:00
	Things that the.	01:32:02
	I don't know how many takes care of. I think no.	01:32:03
	This is.	01:32:06
	Judge Felix the better. Three thousand, yes.	01:32:07
	Apologize, let me clarify. So Judge Cedro said that his caseloads about 3000.	01:32:10
	If we're going to send, I don't know the low end 800 over there.	01:32:16
	And we're concerned about there being issues.	01:32:19
	Being addressed within the city or being.	01:32:22
	Taken seriously.	01:32:25
	Regarding, you know, properties or or sounds like animals.	01:32:26
	We get a lot of questions about that. I am a little concerned that they.	01:32:30
	Might not be taking it seriously.	01:32:33
	Not by anything other than being overloaded or not having enough. But again, I want to clarify and that's what I was trying to do	01:32:36
	and maybe the judge and Brittany will give me more information.	01:32:41
	But I was trying to clarify that the out of those 833.	01:32:46
	Are cases that are.	01:32:51
	Paper cases, they're not cases that.	01:32:54
	You know that the code enforcement cited or the animal shelter?	01:32:58
	People or their cases that somebody says are going to argue a.	01:33:02
	A violation?	01:33:07
	So I think that number 833 added to the 3000.	01:33:08
	Is not a number that.	01:33:12
	And I have not spoken to the judge, I haven't spoken to Felix.	01:33:14
	Because I think this is a city matter.	01:33:18
	And the state will have to handle what the city.	01:33:20
	Because we've been dumped on by the state.	01:33:24
	All the time.	01:33:26
	So I'm just saying.	01:33:27
	That's what I'm trying to clarify. What numbers?	01:33:28
	Are actual people coming to court?	01:33:32
	And coming in front of the judge, it's not 833.	01:33:34
	It's not 2013 when it was Chief Winters.	01:33:38
	It's 833.	01:33:42
	Cases that are.	01:33:45
	Perhaps paper cases?	01:33:46
	And that just have to be.	01:33:48
	Set, so that's not.	01:33:49
	Right, but it could it?	01:33:52
	But it could be right if if the.	01:33:55
	Courts at the police officers in the corner Postman officers are citing.	01:33:57
	It could be 800.	01:34:02
	Or it could be 2000.	01:34:03
	It's not impossible that that those numbers.	01:34:05
	I don't know what they're actually going to see.	01:34:08
	Sure. No, I understand and I definitely understand your concern for the budget.	01:34:11
	But I'm just making a statement I.	01:34:15
	My concern again is going to be.	01:34:18
	I don't know their numbers.	01:34:21
	Exact numbers of what?	01:34:23
	Would be dumped on.	01:34:25
	Judge the Vedra. I do not know that. I don't think any of us know that, but.	01:34:27
	In a perfect world.	01:34:32
	If the municipal.	01:34:34
	Court and the administration, everybody worked together.	01:34:36
	I think the municipal.	01:34:40
	Judge, I'm not saying Joseph.	01:34:41
	In particular, or Judge Gutierrez just.	01:34:43
	That seat.	01:34:46
	That judge, that position.	01:34:47
	Not voting to abolish Joseph, just that position.	01:34:49
	Would have more focus on city issues than, say, the magistrate.	01:34:53
	That's just how I feel about it.	01:34:56
	I don't mind.	01:34:58
	And just to let the public know.	01:35:01
	Because we're still in public hearing.	01:35:03
	The reason this started is that the state.	01:35:05
	Legislature.	01:35:08
	Gave the cities less than 10,000.	01:35:10
	Was it 1000?	01:35:14
	The ability to do this.	01:35:16
	Otherwise, we will not be able to do this.	01:35:18
	So the in 2023.	01:35:21
	The state legislature passed a bill.	01:35:23
	That said, municipal courts can be.	01:35:25
	Eliminated.	01:35:28
	By municipalities.	01:35:29
	Less than 10,000.	01:35:31
	That's how this all started.	01:35:33
	One more question.	01:35:36
	Question Sumner.	01:35:37
	Did you hear anything from the tier C area when they abolished it that?	01:35:39
	And what did you hear on your end? What I I have a copy of the hearing.	01:35:43
	But now I hear subsequently and I think Judge Gutierrez talked to them and.	01:35:49
	I know Chris talked to them.	01:35:53
	They're a little unhappy with that they.	01:35:55
	Blaster, Municipal Judge.	01:35:57
	So they are inhabitants, but.	01:35:59
	The cases.	01:36:02
	They're not going to try to bring the municipal judge back.	01:36:03
	They're going to talk to the Office of the Courts.	01:36:06
	To try to get another magistrate to hear those cases.	01:36:08
	In my opinion, that's.	01:36:12
	Part of the state's.	01:36:14
	Anyway, shall we go out of?	01:36:16
	One more quick.	01:36:19
	So what I'm hearing is.	01:36:26
	Basically, uh.	01:36:29
	The city.	01:36:30
	Doesn't really.	01:36:31
	Find value in the money necessarily that they're spending for Municipal Court.	01:36:33
	Ministration, not the city administration.	01:36:38
	OK, I want to separate that from the Council because they haven't made that decision.	01:36:40
	3 branches of government got it. But but when they talked about the pool, you know, we were talking about yes, we felt that the	01:36:43
	value even though we were having a deficit.	01:36:47
	And if we eliminate the Municipal Court?	01:36:51
	Or, if I'm sorry, the administration decides to.	01:36:54
	Let me ask you this report, we are now shifting the cost of whatever those cases are over the state. We're basically saying the	01:36:56
	state.	01:37:00
	You take **** you pay for it because.	01:37:03
	We're too small, we don't have enough tax revenue to.	01:37:06
	To support this court.	01:37:10
	But another possibility just.	01:37:12
	In case.	01:37:15
	You know, Joel and everybody's concerns gets met and they say.	01:37:17
	No, we want to keep the Municipal Court.	01:37:21
	Is it possible?	01:37:23
	To go to the state.	01:37:24
	And ask, but I don't know what the budget streams are. I don't know how you would do this. I don't because there's all these	01:37:26
	different ways of asking the state for money.	01:37:31
	Is it possible to go to the state and say?	01:37:35
	You know, people have decided we want to keep the Municipal Court.	01:37:38
	Is there any way that the state help us because otherwise.	01:37:42
	You might be in such a big emphasis that you're.	01:37:45
	The state would basically ask for more money.	01:37:48
	The state will not give us operating money.	01:37:51
	The state only makes.	01:37:54
	State appropriations for capital projects.	01:37:57
	They're not going to give us operating money that they subsidized the city budget.	01:38:00
	They don't do that.	01:38:04
	The other thing the state did do and the judge can.	01:38:05
	Testify to that they took away a fee.	01:38:08
	That the city was getting.	01:38:11
	And I'm not sure how much that was, Judge, was it?	01:38:12
	$10.00 or $20.	01:38:15
	Per case.	01:38:16
	In the past before July 1st.	01:38:19
	When a citation was written.	01:38:21
	$29.00 of that have to go to the state.	01:38:23
	So they passed the legislative.	01:38:26
	A while now that.	01:38:28
	The court.	01:38:30
	The fee is no longer going to the state.	01:38:32
	That the cities can now.	01:38:34
	Take on the the whole cost like.	01:38:37
	The revenue goes to the city.	01:38:39
	So we just.	01:38:41
	Started seeing that July 1st.	01:38:42
	So there might be a difference in the.	01:38:44
	Coming up.	01:38:46
	In the next 4 years if.	01:38:47
	Propositions don't feel.	01:38:49
	But in the past, $29.00 always went to.	01:38:51
	OK, but it's so it's so it's possible that the the.	01:38:54
	Not that the.	01:38:58
	Not but well if we wanted the Municipal Court to be a self supporting.	01:38:59
	Entity in a sense.	01:39:03
	Administrative fees could be given to the city, but that has to be legislated.	01:39:05
	Hey, I mean we could keep extra.	01:39:09
	Fears, but they won't let us just.	01:39:13
	Impose fees to collect for the city.	01:39:15
	The state has their hands on that.	01:39:17
	OK. And that's what I meant by they take stuff away from us.	01:39:20
	OK, they don't give us anything in return to be able to handle it.	01:39:23
	Well, that seems unfair. Maybe we should all write letters to our legislators and say change that.	01:39:26
	OK, I'm done.	01:39:31
	I'll give you their names.	01:39:32
	That means it probably won't give me an appropriation for another 10 years.	01:39:35
	Because they get very personal.	01:39:39
	Anyway, shall we go to A?	01:39:41
	I'd like to make a motion we leave public hearing.	01:39:43
	A second move to second, all in favor.	01:39:48
	OK, we're going to have the.	01:39:50
	The response from the committee.	01:39:52
	And then October 7th will.	01:39:55
	Have that presentation, OK, since there's going to be so much snow in this city.	01:39:58
	We have got finally.	01:40:02
	Hangers to put our stuff in there.	01:40:04
	What's that about?	01:40:06
	Donald Sikora Municipal Airport Layout.	01:40:07
	Plan. Yes Sir, it's the Municipal Airport layout plan.	01:40:10
	I forgot how often, how often but.	01:40:14
	It has to be updated and.	01:40:17
	Traffic counts and estimates submitted to.	01:40:18
	For the future of the airport.	01:40:22
	All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the Council.	01:40:26
	We're not quite to the snow yet so but.	01:40:29
	I'll make this quick because that's my last name.	01:40:32
	Thank you. So my name is Matt Quick with Kaufman Associates. With me tonight is Allison Hewlett.	01:40:34
	And we've.	01:40:39
	Been a part of this.	01:40:40
	Airport layout plan update with narrative report for the Sakura Municipal Report over the course of the past year plus.	01:40:41
	We've come alongside and worked in association with Molson Corbin, who's the on call engineer of record for the airport.	01:40:47
	I just wanted to provide you guys a brief update as it relates to the ALP narrative and kind of the purpose of that and then the	01:40:54
	key findings.	01:40:57
	As you may know, the Federal Aviation Administration, or the FAA has oversight of all airports and aviation across the United	01:41:02
	States.	01:41:06
	They recommend that airports update their Alps on a.	01:41:11
	Pretty regular basis just to.	01:41:15
	Get a better sense of what's going on at the airport, as well as helping to chart the course for the future development of the	01:41:17
	airport. So that's what this study is about. It's a visioning document.	01:41:22
	It outlines a lot of different projects that could take place at the airport over the course of the next several years.	01:41:27
	We've forecasted aviation demand over the next 20 years.	01:41:34
	At the airport.	01:41:38
	When we talk about Socorro Municipal Airport.	01:41:40
	And the types of aviation activity we're looking at the number of based aircraft.	01:41:42
	And then the number of annual aircraft operations. So that's kind of the key.	01:41:47
	Point and key focus of this.	01:41:52
	ALP update with narrative report.	01:41:53
	We started this study.	01:41:56
	You can actually.	01:41:57
	I'm sorry. You can advance the slides. We've got a few things here. One more.	01:41:58
	Yeah, this talks about kind of the purpose of the ALP and I've already hit on a lot of this just looking at addressing aviation	01:42:02
	demand, the number based aircraft, the number of operations.	01:42:06
	Another key piece of this study is helping to.	01:42:11
	Prepare a list of.	01:42:14
	Projects that could occur at the airport over the next several years, the importance of that is.	01:42:15
	Every year, the city.	01:42:20
	Works in conjunction with the Federal Aviation Administration as well as the New Mexico Department of Transportation's Aviation	01:42:21
	Division.	01:42:25
	And coming up with a list of projects that would be needed to help support the the development of the airport. Make sure the	01:42:28
	airport is maintaining safety design standards. Make sure the airport is maintaining its airfield pavements to accommodate	01:42:33
	aircraft operations.	01:42:37
	Things such as that so.	01:42:42
	We've outlined a lot of activity in in this ALP update with Narrative.	01:42:44
	That looks to help chart the course for the future development of the airport.	01:42:48
	The next slide.	01:42:52
	Talks a little bit about the process we came alongside.	01:42:54
	The city back in late 2023 to start this process, we kind of split it into 3 phases.	01:42:57
	One of the first phases we.	01:43:03
	We look at.	01:43:05
	Forecast the number based aircraft, the number of operations, Allison's going to talk a little bit more about that here in a	01:43:06
	minute. But we've taken that activity and translated that into facility needs and come up with different alternative layouts for	01:43:10
	the future of the airport and then.	01:43:15
	The final phase is kind of bringing all that together for a recommended development concept and then.	01:43:19
	Helping with the development of that capital program, so.	01:43:24
	We're over on the far right hand side of the screen that you see. We're in the.	01:43:27
	Approval process the airport layout plan drawing set or that ALP.	01:43:31
	Has been coordinated with the Federal Aviation Administration and the New Mexico Department of Transportation Aviation Division.	01:43:36
	It's currently under review.	01:43:40
	The importance of that AOP is anytime the city wants to pursue grant funding assistance through the FAA or the state.	01:43:44
	Those projects need to show up on that ALP.	01:43:51
	So, as a part of this study.	01:43:53
	We have updated that AOP, which has been several years old, to incorporate some of these new projects and then we'll be.	01:43:55
	Looking to get FAA approval on that ALP here, hopefully in the coming weeks.	01:44:01
	With that being said, I just want to hand it over to Allison for a few minutes. She's going to talk about a few of the highlights	01:44:05
	and we'll be.	01:44:08
	Happy to help answer any questions or comments you guys have, so thanks for your time.	01:44:11
	You can advance to the next slide.	01:44:21
	Hello everyone. I'm Allison Villa, also with Kauffman Associates, and I helped prepare this study so real quickly. Some of the key	01:44:23
	outcomes that we had.	01:44:28
	When I'm looking at creating this document is.	01:44:33
	Getting a updated aviation demand forecast.	01:44:36
	This is one of two things that is submitted to the FAA.	01:44:40
	And so essentially we created a chapter that looked at the potential operations in these aircraft at the airport.	01:44:45
	In this chapter, we looked at identifying the critical aircraft for each runway at.	01:44:53
	Sakura Municipal Air.	01:44:59
	From there.	01:45:02
	He looked at outlining a variety of projects that would be both safety related and demand driven and what that could look like and	01:45:03
	that really.	01:45:07
	Was the creation of our recommended development concept, which we'll talk about later in the presentation.	01:45:12
	Then we moved into the capital improvement program.	01:45:19
	Which really took those projects that are outlined in the recommended development concept.	01:45:23
	And prioritize them in.	01:45:27
	As well as provided cost estimates and funding.	01:45:30
	Breakdowns for each individual.	01:45:33
	And project and ultimately this led to the culmination.	01:45:36
	Of the airport layout plan and this is the final piece.	01:45:40
	That is submitted to the FAA and was ultimately.	01:45:45
	Ultimately submitted in late July.	01:45:48
	Next slide, please.	01:45:51
	So.	01:45:53
	As mentioned previously, one of our primary goals was to create forecasts for the airport.	01:45:54
	And if you look at the screen, you'll notice that we did a base year of 2023.	01:46:01
	And we mapped out a 20 year planning horizon.	01:46:08
	You'll notice that there's.	01:46:13
	Modest growth in both.	01:46:14
	Based aircraft as well as your.	01:46:16
	Annual operations, so.	01:46:19
	What we're really seeing here is there's.	01:46:23
	Pretty steady, consistent growth.	01:46:26
	In the single engine aircraft.	01:46:28
	As well as the introduction of turboprops.	01:46:31
	And jets, later on in your planning horizon.	01:46:34
	And so we get.	01:46:37
	A increase of.	01:46:39
	10 aircraft that are based at the airport.	01:46:41
	Over that 20 year period.	01:46:43
	As far as annual operations, we derive this.	01:46:45
	From what?	01:46:50
	Is called the Terminal Area Forecast.	01:46:50
	This is something that the FAA puts out.	01:46:53
	We looked at what they had put out for support and.	01:46:55
	Municipal Airport.	01:46:59
	And then calculated what we thought would be a.	01:47:00
	Realistic forecasts for the airport in that 20 year planning period.	01:47:04
	And so we start with four 600 operations and steadily grow to 6200.	01:47:08
	In that 20 year.	01:47:14
	And so forecasts were submitted to the FAA and they have been approved as of last August.	01:47:16
	All right. So the second main component of your forecast chapter is a critical aircraft determination.	01:47:25
	We did this for both runways at Sapporo.	01:47:33
	And essentially we.	01:47:36
	Looked at.	01:47:39
	What is the most demanding?	01:47:40
	Aircraft that makes regular use of the airport.	01:47:43
	And from that?	01:47:47
	We were able to identify the.	01:47:48
	Aircraft you see on the screen.	01:47:52
	And so essentially, this is extremely important when you're thinking through planning design standards.	01:47:53
	Because from those aircraft we then.	01:47:59
	Are able to figure out what type of aircraft group they're in.	01:48:02
	And we were able to identify a runway design code.	01:48:05
	Which ultimately led to us setting.	01:48:10
	Planning.	01:48:16
	Standard for the long term planning period.	01:48:17
	All right, So what you see on the screen is the.	01:48:23
	Recommended development concept. This is essentially the.	01:48:27
	Culmination of the various projects we thought.	01:48:31
	And could be outlined over this long term planning period.	01:48:34
	And just some of the improvements.	01:48:38
	That we looked at.	01:48:41
	Were related to safety and so you'll see there's.	01:48:42
	Clearing and grading of safety areas such as the runway safety area, the runway object free area.	01:48:46
	Associated with your primary runway 1533.	01:48:52
	We also.	01:48:56
	Looked at.	01:48:58
	Acquiring.	01:49:00
	Land or.	01:49:01
	Either obtaining an easement and your runway protection zones that are associated.	01:49:02
	With that primary runway.	01:49:07
	There were some demand driven projects that were put on this exhibit.	01:49:09
	As well as.	01:49:14
	Some parcels of land on the eastern side of the airport that have been slated.	01:49:16
	For the potential for non aeronautical use as well as an aviation.	01:49:20
	Next slide, please.	01:49:26
	So from those projects, we then developed a capital.	01:49:29
	Improvement program and this is really important because the study itself.	01:49:34
	Is supposed to be.	01:49:38
	A living document. This is something that we want.	01:49:40
	The airport and the airport sponsor to be able to go back to and reference for guidance on.	01:49:43
	Things that they can program into their.	01:49:48
	Budget on an annual basis and so.	01:49:51
	That was the intent of this capital improvement program.	01:49:54
	And we split it up into three different phases.	01:49:57
	The first of which is the short term planning phase.	01:50:01
	This accounts for your next five years of projects.	01:50:04
	Yes.	01:50:08
	And essentially.	01:50:12
	Is related to safety related issues and projects that we thought.	01:50:14
	Would have higher chances of funding eligible.	01:50:19
	Based off of.	01:50:22
	Various inputs and so.	01:50:23
	You'll notice again we've got clearing of the safety areas.	01:50:26
	We also have.	01:50:30
	Some mitigating points for direct access issues.	01:50:33
	As well as pulling back runway thresholds.	01:50:37
	To eliminate taxiway lead in to runway pavement.	01:50:39
	The next phase of the project.	01:50:44
	Next slide.	01:50:47
	Is the intermediate term.	01:50:49
	And this is your 6 to 10 year?	01:50:51
	Time frame and.	01:50:54
	Here we focused on a variety of things.	01:50:56
	Such as?	01:51:00
	Constructing jet A fuel storage currently the airport only has 100 low lead fuel and so.	01:51:01
	This would be constructed with the idea of diversifying.	01:51:08
	Fuel held at the airport.	01:51:13
	You'll notice that there's some green pavement area this is.	01:51:15
	With the shown with the intent of constructing taxi names.	01:51:20
	As well as aprons.	01:51:25
	So that they can later serve.	01:51:26
	For a future hangar development.	01:51:28
	And then lastly.	01:51:30
	We have the long term.	01:51:32
	CIP Phase.	01:51:35
	And this really focuses on the idea of a runway extension.	01:51:37
	And so you'll notice that a lot of the projects that are highlighted.	01:51:43
	Here are associated.	01:51:46
	With the idea of extending runway 15.	01:51:48
	And what different improvements would look like if that were to happen?	01:51:51
	And something that I'd like to drive home is this is a point in time analysis.	01:51:56
	We understand that priorities can and will change.	01:52:01
	So again, this is just.	01:52:05
	Meant to be used as guidance for the airport. It's not meant to tell them.	01:52:06
	When to program certain projects during certain fiscal years? That is up to the airport's discretion and.	01:52:11
	So here you'll see cost totals as part of the capital improvement program.	01:52:21
	Mosen Corbin provided us with cost estimates.	01:52:27
	And we then looked at the funding breakdown.	01:52:30
	So you'll notice for.	01:52:34
	All the projects combined.	01:52:35
	It's about a 16.9 million total cost.	01:52:38
	Of which the federal share would be accounted for 14.1 million.	01:52:42
	And the airport.	01:52:47
	A sponsor would be held accountable for over.	01:52:49
	800,000.	01:52:52
	So as I mentioned before.	01:52:56
	The airport layout drawing is one piece of the.	01:52:59
	Overall airport layout planning set.	01:53:03
	And this is really the bread and butter of your study.	01:53:06
	It is the technical drawing of a recommended development concept.	01:53:09
	It's ultimately what is submitted to the FAA for their approval.	01:53:14
	And essentially this is super important.	01:53:19
	For airports to update.	01:53:21
	Every 7 to 10 years because you want.	01:53:23
	Projects on there to be eligible for federal funding.	01:53:25
	And so it's really a way for the airport to prepare in advance.	01:53:29
	For various projects that they might want to integrate onto the airport reconstruct in the long term.	01:53:34
	Planning process.	01:53:40
	So as far as next steps we have taken.	01:53:44
	The study for the Council for potential approval.	01:53:48
	We also still need to obtain the ALP.	01:53:52
	Airport layout plan drawings that approval from the FAA but as.	01:53:56
	We've mentioned that has been submitted and we hope to get it soon.	01:54:00
	And then lastly.	01:54:05
	Once this plan has been approved and is in place.	01:54:07
	It is up to the airport and their sponsor, in this case, the city.	01:54:11
	To go through their annual budget and figure out where they can start programming.	01:54:15
	Projects outlined within.	01:54:20
	If you guys have any questions.	01:54:25
	Can you go back to the?	01:54:27
	Slide where the airport.	01:54:29
	You know, we talked about.	01:54:33
	That empty piece of land, is that still?	01:54:35
	Has that been able to be?	01:54:38
	To exclude it out of the airport plan.	01:54:39
	So that was your request. We heard it on the first. So we've got 2 areas there.	01:54:42
	So if you see the yellow, this is slated out for non arrow as well as this portion there.	01:54:47
	And that's excluded out of the.	01:54:56
	Out of the airport property.	01:54:59
	OK, in order to do that, you'll first need to get with. Sorry.	01:55:03
	The FAA and the airport.	01:55:08
	And you guys will need to start meeting with the FAA and essentially you'll either need to go through a land use change process,	01:55:10
	which would be mean that you're keeping that parcel of land.	01:55:16
	Still on airport property, but you're changing the land use and the intent.	01:55:22
	Of that parcel or you'll go through a land use release.	01:55:27
	And essentially.	01:55:32
	Exclude that property out from. At this time, it's not designated. It has not.	01:55:33
	No, that does not come out of the airport study. We're gonna do that.	01:55:38
	We've had meetings before, I think, Donald, we've had meetings with your FAA program manager, Sarah Young about excluding that	01:55:43
	piece of land.	01:55:47
	And getting that long term lease and so that now is?	01:55:52
	Between the city and the FAA.	01:55:55
	And Mr.	01:55:57
	Earlier this year.	01:55:59
	Leader Leader of last year.	01:56:00
	But we met with the FAA because they said we could cut out that piece of plant. They said they don't do that anymore, they just	01:56:02
	redesignated as non aeronautical.	01:56:06
	We have to. We're going to request it now.	01:56:10
	I believe so.	01:56:13
	I mean, let's say UPS or some other shipping company wanted to come in there.	01:56:14
	And expand. We have a little UPS station there.	01:56:17
	And they wanted a bigger piece of land to be able to.	01:56:21
	You know, so we'd have to then request from an FAA to.	01:56:23
	Approve that, Yeah, Mr. Mayor, the first step in that process is.	01:56:27
	Getting it on the ALP.	01:56:31
	And that's what this study that's what I'm asking it is on the draft LP that is being that has been submitted to the FA for review	01:56:32
	is.	01:56:36
	Correct. Yeah, it's on there right now pending ALP approval from the FAA.	01:56:43
	And like Donald had mentioned, you'll.	01:56:47
	Continue those conversations and seek a land use designation change or a land release depending on one of your.	01:56:49
	Whether you want to lease the property or sell the property.	01:56:55
	And then you can move forward with non aeronautical activity.	01:56:58
	And if we lease the land, we have to get the approval of the FAA?	01:57:00
	OK. And that budget?	01:57:05
	Thing when do we have to pledge? Is that the 5%? Is that 5%?	01:57:07
	Everybody relax. You're committed to that.	01:57:16
	Needs based master plan.	01:57:24
	If we're going to extend the runway in year 2035.	01:57:26
	We're not going to do that.	01:57:30
	Unless the 2035 you've got.	01:57:32
	Your global express line in your 500.	01:57:34
	Well, everything on here is based on me.	01:57:38
	But.	01:57:41
	Money.	01:57:50
	And then the last five percent is 90% of that is the state and 10% of that is years, so.	01:57:51
	You're spending a few $100.	01:57:58
	But that's 5% of the 4 million.	01:58:00
	There.	01:58:04
	So that would be between 90% of that 5% generally.	01:58:08
	1% of what's left of that is.	01:58:14
	Of the airport sponsor.	01:58:17
	Yeah, OK, Mr. Mayor, the way that's broken out on this, it's not a clean 90%, ten percent, 5%.	01:58:19
	Because some of the projects that we do show in the CIP aren't necessarily eligible.	01:58:26
	For FA or state funding assistance, I don't plan to be here when you do all this anyways.	01:58:30
	Well, Mr.	01:58:37
	The FAA is switches.	01:58:43
	Between 9:00 and what, 97? Yeah.	01:58:45
	That's what I want.	01:58:47
	Mr. Fleming.	01:58:48
	This page and it says.	01:58:52
	Aviation demand for.	01:58:55
	Who determined that?	01:58:59
	So that was a part of the forecast chapter that you're talking about?	01:59:02
	And again, when we look at demand, we're looking at.	01:59:05
	What's being justified at the airport based upon historical activity as well as the potential?	01:59:09
	For future activity with what's happening.	01:59:15
	Locally, from a socioeconomic and demographic standpoint, as well as what's happening regionally and nationally in the aviation	01:59:17
	system.	01:59:20
	Because I see nothing.	01:59:24
	Or have heard nothing.	01:59:26
	About all the touch and goes that the Air Force does.	01:59:29
	I don't see anything.	01:59:34
	Dealing with air ambulance service.	01:59:36
	And there's multiple.	01:59:39
	Yeah, that that information, 24 hour period.	01:59:41
	So.	01:59:45
	So there's no airport traffic control tower at the airport. So we had to use FAA forecasting as a baseline for the study. That's	01:59:47
	where we came up with the 4600 operations.	01:59:52
	Those account for general aviation activity.	01:59:58
	As well as their taxi.	02:00:01
	The air medical flights and things like that would be included in that number.	02:00:02
	And then we provided forecasting out over the next 20 years that could accommodate that.	02:00:06
	The military is a little different.	02:00:11
	The information that we were able to glean from the FAA does not.	02:00:13
	Show military activity.	02:00:16
	And quite frankly, a study such as this.	02:00:18
	The projects that we list.	02:00:20
	The military activity wouldn't make those projects eligible anyway because the FAA doesn't fund other federal lines of business.	02:00:23
	So I don't want to diminish.	02:00:30
	The military activity that occurs.	02:00:32
	But we just didn't have access to any of those.	02:00:34
	Records because nothing showed up in the databases that we were able to have access to from the FAA.	02:00:37
	And you didn't have access to when they used.	02:00:41
	Our airport for the firefighting.	02:00:45
	Saw fire on the Western.	02:00:48
	New Mexico and most of the.	02:00:51
	Eastern part of Arizona.	02:00:53
	Again, those numbers could be built into the forecast, as we show.	02:00:55
	To your point.	02:01:01
	The demand forecasting and the justification on that, that would account for different segments that general aviation.	02:01:02
	Aerial firefighting would be one of those. So you could account for that in the increased operations. We're showing an overall	02:01:09
	increase in activity at the airport over the next 20 years and a lot of that can account for some of those specialty operations	02:01:13
	with firefighting.	02:01:17
	Air medical, air taxi, things such as that.	02:01:22
	Airport, Santa Fe and all the others that have. We had all of the Super scoopers in the world.	02:01:25
	And one point in time.	02:01:30
	But one of the things that would.	02:01:32
	Man does it is forecasting now.	02:01:35
	We have what we call a design. It was a normal day. Look like here these go. It's a busy day, so that could be like here.	02:01:37
	Used to be.	02:01:43
	Yeah.	02:01:44
	Yeah, the peaking characteristics at the bottom outline that and we build our facility needs.	02:01:47
	Based upon some of those peaking characteristics, so.	02:01:52
	The FAA typically doesn't like to design. You know, if you build it, they will come.	02:01:55
	That they typically want to see a standard design day but.	02:01:59
	Do understand that there are some peaking characteristics that can help drive that and we took that into consideration our	02:02:03
	facility needs assessment.	02:02:06
	Putting probably four or five, six wings on the ground every day.	02:02:10
	Heading to Albuquerque, OR.	02:02:17
	West, TX.	02:02:20
	So I'm going to try to make you feel better about this dude.	02:02:21
	What's important about those numbers to me as a civil engineer?	02:02:24
	This is how thick I designed.	02:02:27
	And I've got OK.	02:02:29
	We use that.	02:02:31
	Yeah. So I just make sure that your payments get.	02:02:32
	But you know, in 20 years if it's.	02:02:35
	Turns into Tesla flights.	02:02:37
	It's going to be, it's going to be crazy. I think air travel is going to change.	02:02:40
	Yes, wrong types of things and.	02:02:44
	Something is going to change. Yeah, that's.	02:02:46
	Talked about as advanced air mobility, which is exactly what you're talking about, Mr. Mayor, and.	02:02:49
	That's a it's a segment of aviation that's kind of on the cusp. We don't know what that's going to look like in the future. The	02:02:54
	FAA doesn't know what that's going to look like in the future, but it is something to account for.	02:02:59
	And how much were you folks involved in the air racing?	02:03:03
	That was over and had been moved to New Mexico.	02:03:09
	Was not involved in that activity. I've been to the area when they were in Reno, but I didn't make it over to Roswell this year.	02:03:12
	You know, work to put on taxiways through the project and some of the others.	02:03:20
	Because yeah, they.	02:03:25
	Really wanted access to the North End of the missile range to cut.	02:03:26
	So they didn't have to go so far.	02:03:31
	North.	02:03:33
	A lot of people coming in from.	02:03:34
	At the previous locations, so accept the plan.	02:03:37
	Make a motion.	02:03:42
	Motion seconded.	02:03:43
	Except the airport.	02:03:45
	Plan all in favor.	02:03:47
	Aye, thank you again for.	02:03:49
	Sitting through our meeting to make this presentation.	02:03:51
	Thank you.	02:03:55
	Now we can talk about snow.	02:03:56
	The snow. We want the snow cover.	02:03:58
	It's so heavy.	02:04:01
	Snow removal equipment building grant agreement.	02:04:03
	What is that?	02:04:06
	That is the agreement we need to sign because it's due tomorrow.	02:04:08
	And it's.	02:04:12
	It's the funding for the snow removal equipment building.	02:04:14
	That's a million one.	02:04:17
	So the total construction after it was advertised forbid came out to be around.	02:04:21
	600,000.	02:04:28
	692,793.	02:04:30
	Let me get them to approve the agreement.	02:04:33
	I have a motion to approve the agreement.	02:04:37
	One second put the second discussion all in favor.	02:04:40
	Aye.	02:04:44
	For efficient removal equipment building grant agreement.	02:04:45
	Signatory authority.	02:04:49
	Is that the one you're talking about? Yes, Sir.	02:04:50
	What do you think of that?	02:04:53
	That's to allow you to sign the agreement that was just approved.	02:04:54
	I so move.	02:04:59
	I still move. Seconded.	02:05:00
	All in favor.	02:05:02
	And then?	02:05:04
	I just got to say this. I know you people know this, but that's due at FA tomorrow. Yes, Sir.	02:05:07
	Donald, Donald, we've already made arrangements with the.	02:05:12
	To be standing by tomorrow.	02:05:16
	Well keep this. If these keep this meeting going, we may get to tomorrow.	02:05:18
	How about how about build a bid award then?	02:05:24
	Polo.	02:05:28
	OK. We, we had six bids.	02:05:31
	Opened.	02:05:34
	On August 26th.	02:05:36
	Leo is here, and Vince.	02:05:38
	And uh.	02:05:40
	Our low bed was Exp New Mexico LLC.	02:05:42
	644,000.	02:05:45
	$84.17.	02:05:48
	And the person that runs that company kind of got Socorro ties. It's Larry Perry Junior.	02:05:51
	So I.	02:05:57
	Both incorporate and myself. We recommend the.	02:06:01
	They'd be awarded to Exp.	02:06:04
	And if you never heard of APX, who I've never heard of.	02:06:06
	They're pretty good sized contractors. They're building the new terminal building at Clovis right now, OK.	02:06:09
	Anybody wanna accept it?	02:06:15
	Moved and seconded.	02:06:21
	All in favor, aye?	02:06:24
	The XP right there.	02:06:25
	Are you? Are you Exp?	02:06:29
	Is there a meeting going on over there?	02:06:31
	Is there? Can you tell me who the gentleman is? Is you going to shoot us?	02:06:34
	Good evening, Mayor.	02:06:40
	Team, my name is Josh Campaign.	02:06:46
	Senior project manager quality assurance Quality control for.	02:06:48
	EPX Construction.	02:06:52
	Just present to say.	02:06:54
	Thank you for the opportunity. We're super excited.	02:06:56
	Well, my son graduated from tech, made his home here.	02:06:58
	Oh.	02:07:03
	Thank you so much for entrusting us with us and.	02:07:05
	Really looking forward to it.	02:07:07
	What's your What's your timeline?	02:07:09
	Right away.	02:07:12
	Get that thing done in just a few months.	02:07:12
	Then few months. OK, great. Thank you. Thank you.	02:07:15
	Thanks for coming to our meeting.	02:07:18
	I appreciate it. And then and then Paula, what's the other building that we're, is that already?	02:07:19
	Happening.	02:07:25
	The building building.	02:07:26
	The Hanger building.	02:07:28
	I I.	02:07:30
	I know Richardson and Richardson's.	02:07:32
	Working on it so.	02:07:34
	Well, it's supposed to be getting cut right now.	02:07:35
	So you guys talk to them at all?	02:07:39
	Yeah, so.	02:07:41
	The handler is.	02:07:44
	I see it's a different thing.	02:07:46
	OK.	02:07:48
	OK, OK, I got you.	02:07:50
	Well, thank you again for sitting through the bill and.	02:07:52
	Meeting, we appreciate it.	02:07:54
	So all right, that's done new business.	02:07:56
	And our department directors are all out there if anybody wants to get up and.	02:08:00
	Say something.	02:08:05
	Steve Oh, Mr.	02:08:06
	Partridge.	02:08:10
	Just an update on a.	02:08:11
	Committee meeting, we had the planning and zoning committee.	02:08:12
	Myself.	02:08:15
	Counselor Dean.	02:08:16
	Chris and and.	02:08:18
	Christy met and.	02:08:21
	Just working on.	02:08:23
	Revive looking at ways to.	02:08:24
	Update the map that's a little bit blurry and find that.	02:08:26
	Trying to get creative ways to.	02:08:29
	Look at the making the map more clear of Socorro and.	02:08:31
	Some sort of light document?	02:08:35
	That we can possibly have so when people come to town.	02:08:36
	Or want to look up to coral?	02:08:39
	Look at the the streets are.	02:08:41
	Kind of skewed in there.	02:08:43
	Talked about that and then just some of the.	02:08:44
	Enforcement.	02:08:47
	You know Chris is only with and Christian only with and some other.	02:08:48
	In their departments.	02:08:52
	Is a productive meeting. We are meeting. I know you love committees, but we are.	02:08:54
	And trying to solve some stuff.	02:08:57
	Good deal, good deal.	02:08:59
	And we had a big event this weekend, Steve. I know we've gotten money.	02:09:02
	Hello you want any comments or?	02:09:07
	They work very hard.	02:09:11
	So we did get a, we did get a grant to do a housing.	02:09:15
	You might tell me, you know what's going on there.	02:09:21
	So Gwen had applied for a grant.	02:09:25
	Through thriving communities and we've been working with them for the past.	02:09:28
	Year and we will be doing the housing study with.	02:09:33
	Roots.	02:09:36
	They were awarded the grant money and they will cover actually the.	02:09:40
	City and the county for feasibility of housing.	02:09:45
	So whenever we did the proposal request, we asked for the city of Socorro, but they actually.	02:09:48
	Quoted us with the with the county as well so.	02:09:54
	The housing studio cover all.	02:09:57
	And Chief Bracco, have you got anything?	02:09:59
	You you're fully staffed now.	02:10:03
	Yeah, right now we.	02:10:06
	You've been ready to go, Polo. So good.	02:10:15
	We're fully staffed right now. Well, thanks to you guys in the county for working together to get the three people.	02:10:19
	Three extra people. Is that coming up?	02:10:24
	We signed it.	02:10:28
	It's done. So yeah, we're fully staffed.	02:10:33
	You always just got to get them certified.	02:10:36
	We're working on that. They're currently in a in a basic NT class now.	02:10:38
	Held here in Socorro.	02:10:41
	And then we'll just get fully certified and move on.	02:10:43
	We're busy.	02:10:47
	You know, we got, we got one of our new ambulances in.	02:10:49
	So that that's good. And we're still waiting on one more. That's that's.	02:10:51
	Pushed out till January.	02:10:55
	So we're waiting on that other one. We have one of our analysts down that's in Albuquerque.	02:10:58
	Unfortunately, they can't figure well they figured out what was wrong with it.	02:11:02
	But they don't have a fix where it's a recall.	02:11:05
	But they don't have a fix for it. So basically we have to sit and wait.	02:11:07
	Until they come up with a solution.	02:11:10
	So hopefully nothing else goes wrong.	02:11:13
	Say that again, is it new?	02:11:16
	No, it's one of our older ambulances.	02:11:18
	But we can't afford for another one to go down because.	02:11:19
	But yeah, we're, you know, guys are busy. They're doing a great job.	02:11:22
	Of, you know, doing a lot of.	02:11:26
	Rodeo stand by is, you know, all that other stuff going on. We got fire prevention coming up.	02:11:29
	So we're going to be busy, but.	02:11:33
	The guys are doing a great job.	02:11:35
	Great. Thank you.	02:11:37
	Assistant Chief Greenwood, anything from the Police Department.	02:11:38
	I don't have anything.	02:11:42
	And don't you have?	02:11:44
	So you guys got your cars yet or?	02:11:46
	Not that I'm aware of. I think he's made a few phone calls to see if you can locate somebody on order.	02:11:49
	We had our paint party over the weekend.	02:12:05
	It went well, everybody had fun.	02:12:08
	Have you got any other events coming up?	02:12:11
	Not right at this.	02:12:13
	Moment No.	02:12:14
	And Vegeta is going OK.	02:12:15
	Oh yeah, everything's going good over there, yes.	02:12:16
	And then they could fix the septic tank.	02:12:19
	She's writing the report now and then she's going to make the recommendations that we need for that septic unit.	02:12:22
	Are you going to pay for it or the county?	02:12:27
	I have no idea.	02:12:29
	Donna, do you know?	02:12:32
	Ruby who we're gonna.	02:12:35
	We don't know, she stated that it can stay like that for a while, right?	02:12:37
	That it doesn't have to be replaced right away.	02:12:40
	It doesn't need to be replaced, but there needs to be something added to it.	02:12:42
	From we don't know how much it's going to cost, so.	02:12:46
	We'll have to well.	02:12:48
	It's a county building.	02:12:51
	Still.	02:12:54
	OK, Ruby, Anything.	02:12:56
	I have auditors going through audit for 2025.	02:12:58
	Right now we're still doing disconnect.	02:13:02
	Mike.	02:13:15
	Business as usual at the landfill so.	02:13:18
	I got my compact is down.	02:13:21
	We got right there coming and checking on it.	02:13:24
	Got a couple of codes that come up so.	02:13:27
	How's your tire business?	02:13:30
	We're building tires.	02:13:31
	Every day.	02:13:33
	Isaac, Isaac, you too.	02:13:37
	I've just been doing line replacement still.	02:13:41
	Replace a lot of other on.	02:13:44
	Eaten and started eating and Court Street.	02:13:48
	The airport would be cleaned at the airport this week because I guess.	02:13:53
	Civil Air Patrol wants to have.	02:13:57
	Some type of little flying I guess to try to get.	02:14:00
	More uh.	02:14:02
	OK, more involvement.	02:14:04
	One of our compressors is down on the CNG station.	02:14:07
	Hopefully that'll get.	02:14:10
	With that 2 million we've got, hopefully we'll get get a 1.6 we've got.	02:14:11
	You should be able to get a whole brand new system.	02:14:16
	I hope so.	02:14:19
	So that's got to get in October.	02:14:20
	Yeah, I think we have a meeting on that.	02:14:23
	Next Tuesday.	02:14:25
	Mario, you want to announce your City Council race?	02:14:27
	No, I'm good. Thanks.	02:14:30
	Chris.	02:14:33
	Just schools and.	02:14:36
	Lately it's been homeless counts.	02:14:38
	So if you get homeless in camera.	02:14:40
	Award it. Let me know.	02:14:42
	I will clean it up. We're not gonna have those. Yeah.	02:14:44
	What about your school?	02:14:46
	Duty 2 hours a day, every day.	02:14:48
	Cool, but it's crazy they're new junior high.	02:14:52
	Yeah, it's a nice junior.	02:14:55
	OK. And.	02:14:57
	To be honest, so far they're getting a lot better than.	02:14:59
	FTL Junior Eye so.	02:15:01
	Yeah.	02:15:04
	Let's get out of here.	02:15:06
	What's the deal with the medical insurance?	02:15:08
	So we had a meeting, yeah. So the open enrollment is going to be October 20th to November 20th.	02:15:11
	For a short year, what they're going to do is they're going to change the plan year.	02:15:20
	To fiscal year and right now it's calendar year. So open enrollment is on October 20th to November 20th.	02:15:25
	For January 1 to June 30th.	02:15:33
	Then the so it'll be a short.	02:15:36
	Is what they're calling a short.	02:15:38
	So what are the employees going to have to do?	02:15:40
	If you want to make changes to your coverage, any changes, come see me between October 20th.	02:15:43
	And otherwise nothing.	02:15:49
	Otherwise, it's just going to continue, but it'll be.	02:15:51
	The January to June 30th will be just a short pioneer and then they'll.	02:15:53
	Pioneer will start July 1.	02:15:58
	OK, Sharon.	02:15:59
	Got a big event?	02:16:03
	We have the chili tea stuff coming up.	02:16:11
	In the beginning of October, so that'll be October 4th at 41 Sports Complex.	02:16:14
	So come down and taste some chili, see what we have going on over there.	02:16:18
	And then we also have Support Fest, the Coral Fest will be on October 10th and.	02:16:21
	So Friday and Saturday, Friday we'll have stuff going on from the 6th about 93010 o'clock.	02:16:26
	And then Saturday, it'll be all afternoon, starting at noon.	02:16:31
	We'll have the beer tent going on. We'll have the roads blocked off. The cap will be open. Box training will be open.	02:16:33
	My music going on so.	02:16:39
	Encourage everybody to get out there and see what's going on.	02:16:41
	Who wins 49ers?	02:16:44
	49ers is also in October, I'm not sure the exact date. I want to say it's about the middle of October.	02:16:45
	OK.	02:16:50
	Mr. Chavez, Focus.	02:16:52
	So I'm gonna and Steve didn't want to, so I will put it for him.	02:16:54
	He did a really, really good job, him and his staff.	02:16:59
	There was over 100 kids that came.	02:17:02
	With families at the sports arena for the rodeo, it was a 2 day rodeo.	02:17:06
	And they came from all over the state.	02:17:10
	But him and his staff did a really, really good job. They were in there.	02:17:12
	Doing whatever needed to be done. So thank you for everything you do.	02:17:17
	Poop everywhere. Everywhere.	02:17:21
	Mr. Fleming.	02:17:23
	Thank you, Mr. Mayor.	02:17:24
	I was out there.	02:17:27
	Helping set up the sound for the lower arena, which we never use because of the.	02:17:28
	Till the raindrops which we received.	02:17:35
	But it's amazing these families come in.	02:17:38
	With a half million dollar tractor and trailer.	02:17:42
	And they stand there.	02:17:47
	And they give Steve.	02:17:49
	A whole bunch of.	02:17:51
	For charging them $10 a night.	02:17:54
	For dry camping.	02:17:58
	It is amazing there.	02:18:01
	Here they drive in with a half million dollars and they're afraid to get rid of 10.	02:18:04
	It's amazing what?	02:18:09
	That clue goes through.	02:18:11
	Well, you guys do a wonderful job. I'm glad you're doing it.	02:18:14
	We'll just have another one this weekend I guess.	02:18:18
	Any other questions? Old business?	02:18:24
	Mr. Park, just quickly.	02:18:26
	Did you get a chance to meet with Mr. Otero regarding the pavement or the issues with the?	02:18:29
	Repaving of the road up there last time he.	02:18:34
	We had a pretty good meeting and and.	02:18:38
	We told him what was going on.	02:18:40
	The chip seal is the.	02:18:43
	Best thing to do right now because we'll have to put in a water line.	02:18:45
	And then we're hoping that we get the county to help us.	02:18:49
	Then do a paving after that.	02:18:53
	So we did meet with him.	02:18:55
	Thank you, Mr. Meeting with somebody.	02:18:56
	About the.	02:18:59
	Blue Canyon with Blue Canyon, if anybody.	02:19:01
	Mention that to you with.	02:19:04
	W Blue Canyon.	02:19:05
	And the rain just took a toll on our roads.	02:19:07
	I mean, it's like.	02:19:11
	Bleaching it.	02:19:12
	There's puddles and.	02:19:14
	Cracks. So we're going to work on doing that.	02:19:15
	Mr. Mayor.	02:19:18
	Just want to let you know TDs is back in there.	02:19:20
	Going to finish up the last.	02:19:24
	Part of the Internet there.	02:19:26
	It's been good. They're doing a lot of the.	02:19:29
	Fiber on aerial this time.	02:19:32
	I got Co-op relations with the Co-op, better relations with the Co-op So moderate.	02:19:35
	Out there where I live is all full of rocks, so it's.	02:19:42
	That's the best way to get there. I'll tell you, the court has certainly turned the page.	02:19:46
	And they just gave me a $20,000 check today.	02:19:50
	For the.	02:19:53
	Rebate on the LED lights.	02:19:54
	At Park.	02:19:57
	The tri-state came down so.	02:19:59
	You know, we're doing kumbaya as well as we can.	02:20:01
	But that's but it's a very good feeling. The board was here, Leroy.	02:20:05
	Mr. Alonzo Steve Rosa So.	02:20:09
	There was a good deal.	02:20:11
	Mr. Lopez, I know I mentioned it before, but.	02:20:13
	We need to do something on California St.	02:20:17
	At least we paint the lights and stuff at 80,000.	02:20:20
	So I'll have to get that from the Municipal Court.	02:20:24
	OK.	02:20:27
	No, I'm sorry, I just Judge is still here. Oh my God.	02:20:30
	Didn't see that. No, it's $80,000.	02:20:34
	Because you can't even see.	02:20:36
	No, no, yeah.	02:20:38
	No, but we I think yeah, but I got a quote on it.	02:20:40
	So I'm trying to figure out that 20,000 will go towards that.	02:20:43
	I mean, yeah. I mean, you know.	02:20:47
	Again, I'm just so worried about a downturn.	02:20:48
	You know, the junior high.	02:20:52
	30 million.	02:20:54
	Into our economy and we got about.	02:20:55
	Three and a half, 4% of that.	02:20:59
	That's the receipts.	02:21:01
	And then the apartments that you built put in 1518 million?	02:21:03
	The PRC building is put but then I'm afraid and we've had.	02:21:08
	Close receipts, but I'm just, I'm afraid that we're going to in the next two years.	02:21:12
	It's going to dive a little bit and so that's what I'm worried about.	02:21:17
	And our peril.	02:21:21
	And I don't, I don't mind it, but we, I think it's 500,000 more for the police.	02:21:22
	And 500 more for the.	02:21:27
	Fire department. I think those are about right numbers. Ruby.	02:21:29
	300.	02:21:32
	For fire and the police, which is fine. We, I mean, we're fully staffed.	02:21:35
	And so all that is.	02:21:39
	Kind of weighing on us is. I know it's weighing on Ruby because she.	02:21:41
	And weighs on me.	02:21:44
	So you know.	02:21:46
	And that that's where we're at.	02:21:47
	So we're making it. I'm not.	02:21:49
	We're in the black and we're doing well.	02:21:51
	I just always worry about that.	02:21:54
	The little thing because.	02:21:55
	The payroll has increased.	02:21:57
	Our costs are more.	02:21:59
	I mean inflation, they said there are no inflate, but there is inflation.	02:22:01
	So that's that's kind of where we got.	02:22:04
	And natural gas. Who knows what's natural gas going to do?	02:22:06
	This this winter.	02:22:09
	We're trying to hedge it.	02:22:12
	But you wouldn't believe how much the hedge price is.	02:22:14
	Because it's at $3 right now and we hedged it for four.	02:22:18
	So, you know, and that's a lot.	02:22:25
	So that's almost 5040 to 50%.	02:22:28
	Kind of like the January before.	02:22:31
	So that's the scary part.	02:22:34
	Anyway, OK, and let's go into executive session.	02:22:36
	No for another hour or so.	02:22:40
	I'm sorry.	02:22:42
	And again, thank you guys for coming in, ladies.	02:22:45
	We have the.	02:22:47
	Job description What am I doing with the job description?	02:22:49
	McDonald's We have a job description, Anybody.	02:22:55
	Just put them in range.	02:23:01
	So what am I supposed to do?	02:23:04
	OK.	02:23:08
	So moved and seconded.	02:23:09
	All in favor.	02:23:12
	Aye. So the personnel changes I've got.	02:23:13
	Davia, Marietta.	02:23:17
	Nuclear administration cashier, you'll hire full-time.	02:23:19
	Cassandra Castillo, library circulation assistant.	02:23:23
	Far beyond of our.	02:23:27
	De Vargas, police officer you hire.	02:23:28
	Antonio Gonzalez, Police security officer.	02:23:30
	Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the.	02:23:33
	Personnel changes.	02:23:35
	Second as read next question all in favor.	02:23:36
	Aye.	02:23:39
	Now we've got Martin Hospitality, that's the.	02:23:40
	At the bunker house.	02:23:44
	We got a bucking good time.	02:23:46
	That's Brendan with a mechanical bull.	02:23:48
	We've got Melissa Chevrolet.	02:23:50
	Automotive sales.	02:23:52
	One Rodeo Dr. Where's that?	02:23:54
	Serena.	02:23:56
	See Alina, They had to sell out there last year.	02:23:58
	Selling them again?	02:24:00
	Yes, Sir, Ford's coming again.	02:24:01
	Now, Steve.	02:24:04
	Selling cars out there.	02:24:07
	Wow.	02:24:14
	And Malloy Jeep so we got 4 Jeep and Chevrolet.	02:24:15
	And then we got the munchies.	02:24:19
	I just sent the.	02:24:22
	Really came down to see.	02:24:25
	What with the net speed, we had very pleased with what we had available.	02:24:27
	For advertising. That's so sweet of them. Could be nice to us.	02:24:33
	Mr.	02:24:36
	Yes, all in favor.	02:24:38
	OK, so October 7th.	02:24:39
	All right, everybody.	02:24:46

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	Hey, Cortana.	00:00:00
	Or.	00:00:15
	16/20/25.	00:00:27
	Mayor Bask here.	00:00:32
	Councillor Travis Lopez.	00:00:33
	Councillor Dean.	00:00:35
	Councillor Fleming.	00:00:38
	Councillor Ocampo.	00:00:40
	Here.	00:00:41
	Councillor Partridge.	00:00:45
	Here. Councillor Romero here.	00:00:46
	Counselor. Salon.	00:00:49
	That's background noise.	00:00:52
	I'll rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:54
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:00:58
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:00
	And until the Republic for which it stands.	00:01:02
	Indivisible.	00:01:07
	And we're living in houses for us.	00:01:08
	Mr. Romero.	00:01:17
	Mr. Mayor, I move we approve the consent agenda.	00:01:20
	2nd.	00:01:23
	Moved and seconded any discussion.	00:01:24
	All in favor, aye?	00:01:27
	OK, here we go, public forum.	00:01:29
	We've got Mr. James Guy goes #1.	00:01:32
	The Grand Funk Railroad.	00:01:35
	Remember that.	00:01:39
	We are representing the Socorro community, we are inviting the community to.	00:01:46
	Go to.	00:01:51
	Putting on monthly.	00:01:53
	Activities for.	00:01:54
	Socorro, we had a movie last month.	00:01:56
	And this month we are going to do another movie.	00:02:00
	We gave away.	00:02:03
	Saved eyes.	00:02:05
	Snow cones.	00:02:07
	The kids watched movies.	00:02:08
	All the food was free. It was all donated to the kids. Got free snow cones free.	00:02:11
	Popcorn.	00:02:15
	And hot dogs from the community members.	00:02:16
	And we are just.	00:02:19
	Going forward to do a nonprofit.	00:02:22
	We are just now.	00:02:25
	Inviting the community to come and.	00:02:26
	Spend time.	00:02:29
	At our Plaza. Our beautiful Plaza.	00:02:30
	If you want to leave it.	00:02:35
	Needham.	00:02:38
	We can put it on camera.	00:02:40
	Yeah, we'd also like to say thank you to Ravi for trying to setting me in the right direction.	00:02:41
	I'll put my water on.	00:02:51
	No, you ain't.	00:02:53
	OK, so, uh.	00:02:55
	We always like to complain and I'm.	00:02:58
	Pretty good at it.	00:03:00
	So you know what Ravi kind of got at me.	00:03:03
	20-30 years ago and here we go again and and and.	00:03:07
	And this time, he said.	00:03:10
	James, give me more boots on the ground.	00:03:12
	You know, and he's looking at volunteers, right? So.	00:03:13
	If anything's going to work, it's going to be volunteers.	00:03:17
	I have my beautiful wife here in our community.	00:03:20
	Robert Ware and and and all of us get together all the time.	00:03:24
	It's it's so.	00:03:27
	We can figure out what we can do to give back.	00:03:30
	And Ravi and through the city.	00:03:33
	Has given us the first uh.	00:03:36
	Donation and then.	00:03:38
	We have.	00:03:39
	Quite a few other people in the communities rather than start mentioning everybody.	00:03:40
	But we have lots and we will be doing our thank yous to everybody.	00:03:44
	And there is a huge response.	00:03:49
	We will be adopting who?	00:03:52
	The boxing club.	00:03:55
	And the wrestling club we will be, uh.	00:03:58
	You know, sponsoring both you guys that day, so please come out and.	00:04:01
	Watch the The Wrestling Club.	00:04:05
	They're in in the Plaza. They'll be demonstrating all kinds of stuff, wrestling and boxing.	00:04:08
	We'll have a great movie and a great time. Bring a blanket.	00:04:14
	And appetite and will feed you.	00:04:18
	Joel, how many how many guys in in your group that?	00:04:21
	Because I know that the rest, the boxing, starting off with about 50 people that we've got to take care of, like I told you when	00:04:25
	we met.	00:04:29
	It's more of a.	00:04:32
	Timing of the date. So now that we've got the flyer, you dropped it off at my shop the other day.	00:04:33
	I don't have a number for you, but I do. I'll reach out to the parents and tell them. But I mean, we we coach around 110 kids	00:04:38
	through the.	00:04:41
	Youth in the high school.	00:04:44
	As far as commitment, I don't know, but I think you're.	00:04:45
	What you're doing is great.	00:04:48
	Because.	00:04:49
	Everybody show up and, and, and if there's a bigger need, we'll take care of it. Use our Plaza.	00:04:52
	In a beautiful way.	00:04:57
	I know it's on the poster, but tell us the date and the time.	00:04:58
	The 27th of September.	00:05:02
	Plaza.	00:05:05
	What time?	00:05:07
	At six, starts at six. Yeah, 6:00.	00:05:08
	Pull up, we can put it on the robocall.	00:05:12
	Thanks, James.	00:05:14
	Thank you.	00:05:15
	Thank you. Thank you very much. Good job.	00:05:17
	OK, Socorro Stingrays.	00:05:21
	Got the swimmers here.	00:05:28
	Thank you.	00:05:48
	Thank you.	00:05:48
	Aye, are you in the picture?	00:05:50
	Thank you.	00:05:51
	Good job Cody Johnston. We get to keep it some of our.	00:05:56
	You have to give it.	00:06:00
	Thank you. OK, Thank you. Amazing Stingray swimmers.	00:06:01
	I'm a little late this year.	00:06:05
	I was traveling during the last council meeting.	00:06:07
	So now we're here in September, and we just wanted to say thank you to the city for always supporting us.	00:06:09
	We couldn't do what we do without the city.	00:06:15
	Obviously we couldn't swim without amazing pool that you guys provide.	00:06:17
	Massive pool that we're able to host.	00:06:21
	These huge, huge meets.	00:06:23
	Teams from all over the state.	00:06:27
	We were able to get fifth this year overall.	00:06:28
	Which doesn't sound like a whole lot.	00:06:30
	But for a team with 80 kids?	00:06:32
	Max And we're competing against these massive country clubs that have 200 kids.	00:06:34
	It's really amazing be able to show some great coral spirit.	00:06:38
	So these are some of our swimmers.	00:06:42
	I have two of my coaches here.	00:06:44
	One of my high school swimmers.	00:06:46
	As well.	00:06:48
	This is Ben.	00:06:52
	Connor.	00:06:54
	Drew Israel.	00:06:56
	Alison and Emily.	00:06:58
	And made.	00:06:59
	Congratulations.	00:07:02
	So I wasn't as well prepared this year. Last year I had some numbers and so.	00:07:07
	Stats.	00:07:10
	Didn't compile that this year.	00:07:12
	Serving on a board at Tech has.	00:07:14
	And a time suck so.	00:07:17
	I completely understand.	00:07:20
	Young pain. So I just wanted to say thank you again for all the amazing things you guys do and.	00:07:23
	The city is able to support this swim team.	00:07:29
	And, umm.	00:07:31
	Go Stingrays. Go Stingrays. Yes.	00:07:31
	Yeah, I've got a question or first a comment. Cody, I see you everywhere in town. You're always volunteering and you're part of	00:07:38
	everything. We appreciate you and.	00:07:42
	Although I know how hard it is, so thank you for what you do.	00:07:46
	But you're at tech. How does that new recreation facility look?	00:07:50
	Like what is the talk looking like and.	00:07:54
	Any updates?	00:07:56
	So we approved.	00:07:57
	Don't have the exact date we approved.	00:08:00
	We're going to ask the state for a general obligation bond.	00:08:02
	That's gonna cover most of it.	00:08:05
	Alongside of that, we're going to do a big donor push to kind of build that.	00:08:06
	Included in our new recreation facility, as the city knows.	00:08:10
	As a pool, we're on we. What's the agreement called?	00:08:15
	Blinking here and I'm sorry.	00:08:19
	Right. So it's the MOU and we're using the cities.	00:08:20
	Some budget cap.	00:08:24
	Well, you know, I think they got $2 million already to design it.	00:08:27
	Correct. And so the next thing is it's going to probably be a fifty, $60 million project.	00:08:30
	And what I recommended.	00:08:35
	To the.	00:08:37
	Tech is get the schools, the city and the county.	00:08:37
	To make sure that there's no shortfall in the bond issue because they're not going to be able to get the whole amount.	00:08:42
	Is to allow the city, county and the schools.	00:08:46
	To join in on a bond issue so that the the whole.	00:08:49
	Everybody can use that.	00:08:52
	You know that facility.	00:08:54
	Which would be great for us. I mean you guys will go straight to number.	00:08:55
	Four. That would be amazing.	00:08:59
	But that's great, man.	00:09:01
	Mr. Mayor.	00:09:03
	You're the student region attack.	00:09:05
	Yes, Now, OK, I don't think everybody knew that so.	00:09:07
	I'm happy that you're there.	00:09:10
	Thank you.	00:09:12
	Will you come and take a picture with us?	00:09:12
	So come on, it's not so hard.	00:09:14
	Just here.	00:09:18
	Thank you.	00:09:44
	Thank you guys.	00:09:44
	Thank you for.	00:09:50
	Yes, thank you.	00:09:52
	Good job, coach. Thank you, Cody.	00:09:56
	Somebody's related, that's why.	00:09:58
	Him back right away in the picture.	00:10:01
	All right. We had a Socorro County Fair, which was fantastic, Caleb.	00:10:07
	You're going to come up and.	00:10:11
	Tell us all the good news and.	00:10:13
	I guess you guys didn't get too much rain.	00:10:15
	We didn't get what I'm sorry, get too much rain at the County Fair. No rain is welcome for this weekend was kind of.	00:10:18
	Tough, but wow, that's right. So I prepared.	00:10:25
	Budget.	00:10:28
	For you, so you could kind of see.	00:10:29
	What we do in.	00:10:31
	But we did have a score, County Fair and PRCA rodeo.	00:10:32
	Which the?	00:10:36
	City of Socorro Rodeo Sports Complex as part of that big part of it.	00:10:38
	Had a new thing we brought this year was the big screen.	00:10:42
	So we're able to have replays.	00:10:45
	We were able to.	00:10:48
	As the event was happening, you had the timer on this. We had barrel racers as they were coming down, they were looking at their	00:10:49
	time.	00:10:53
	It was just a really. And then.	00:10:56
	Course, for the crowd, that's a big crowd thing, so.	00:10:58
	Very successful all the way around.	00:11:01
	But I thought it was important to.	00:11:03
	Get let you, you know, see some of the figures there.	00:11:07
	On the left is all our costs and our income.	00:11:09
	So you can see gate there.	00:11:13
	What we get is sponsorships.	00:11:15
	You know all the way what the clown.	00:11:18
	On the right side is what the city.	00:11:20
	Puts in.	00:11:22
	For us, and there's also.	00:11:23
	City cost.	00:11:25
	On the top.	00:11:26
	Or, you know, on the right side upper and then there's city income, so.	00:11:27
	We try to balance, you know.	00:11:33
	Of course we'd all want to.	00:11:34
	Be profitable.	00:11:36
	And bring a great event to Socorro.	00:11:37
	But it ends up being close.	00:11:39
	Closer to break even.	00:11:42
	As you can see there but.	00:11:43
	We uh.	00:11:44
	We That's not including anything, you know.	00:11:45
	Of course, I I expect that there's a big boom in business.	00:11:49
	For fair and rodeo.	00:11:53
	We bring a lot of people to town, so.	00:11:54
	You know, that's hard to measure.	00:11:56
	And I think we've.	00:11:57
	You know, for basically the way I look at it for a couple $1000 we're bringing.	00:11:59
	Wonderful event is a coral.	00:12:03
	So, umm.	00:12:04
	But at least the gasoline and the diesel sales were.	00:12:05
	Yeah. Oh yeah.	00:12:08
	And the, you know, restaurants, I mean, we absolutely, you know, there's just a lot of.	00:12:09
	Walmart, I mean, you know all the stuff you got to go get a.	00:12:14
	Whatever for the.	00:12:17
	You know, for your horse you're free to the fair or whatever, so.	00:12:19
	Anyway, I think that's that's about it. Tommy has been helping me out here. This is Tommy Rosales.	00:12:22
	I'm Caleb Kerr, by the way.	00:12:27
	But Tommy's.	00:12:29
	Kind of helping out with PRC radio now, so.	00:12:30
	Well, you guys did a tremendous job and.	00:12:33
	For your volunteering to get this done on this big screen.	00:12:35
	The rental was 11,000.	00:12:39
	Yes, that's now.	00:12:40
	Now it's not just. That's not just the screen.	00:12:42
	That comes with the people that run it, so they sure.	00:12:44
	There's a guy that.	00:12:47
	It happens to be a.	00:12:49
	Gentleman there, but.	00:12:51
	There's a person that runs the computer.	00:12:53
	Yeah, I think the city would.	00:12:55
	Try to. You're trying to get a big screen up there. We had all the small screens in the restaurant.	00:12:58
	Yes.	00:13:03
	Would like to get we'd like to get 2 screens so we'll work on that.	00:13:05
	Yeah, that'd be great. I tell you what, it was a huge crowd.	00:13:08
	Pleasure, I mean.	00:13:12
	That we even got, I don't know who who it was, but somebody.	00:13:13
	Wrote a letter to the editor you know, mentioning how good it so.	00:13:17
	We're getting some positive feedback, by the way.	00:13:20
	The crew out there did a wonderful job.	00:13:23
	Were making grounds on the on the dirt there.	00:13:25
	Raul driving the tractor, but Steve was just.	00:13:28
	Unbelievably handy.	00:13:32
	He actually helped me.	00:13:33
	We had a little bit of.	00:13:35
	Leakage, people trying to sneak in without paying. So Steve helped.	00:13:36
	Was a big help with that, but also.	00:13:40
	Of course, Cheyenne and Darryl, everybody that.	00:13:42
	The whole crew.	00:13:45
	Wanted to want to thank those.	00:13:46
	People so.	00:13:48
	Is there any other questions?	00:13:50
	We leave that out there.	00:13:51
	And that's, I think that's a whole separate. Is it a separate thing that's on the?	00:13:54
	Sakura County Fair and rodeo Queens.	00:14:00
	Yes, that is not my department.	00:14:03
	I made a mistake in not getting you guys before I got Kevin.	00:14:10
	So I apologize.	00:14:14
	Yes.	00:14:17
	Yes.	00:14:18
	It was so much fun. Courtney races, you know, having the replays and stuff. So cute and the mutton blushing. I thought really got	00:14:20
	yeah there.	00:14:23
	Yeah, that's yeah.	00:14:28
	Mr. Brown.	00:14:33
	But I was just gonna ask how the new sound system was. It was a mentor. There's so many things to mention.	00:14:36
	It actually worked very well.	00:14:42
	So good job there. I heard the hospital said to decrease the volume. Yes, yes, we were aware of that, but.	00:14:43
	At least we can, I mean.	00:14:51
	Yeah, and we can turn down that outer speaker. One thing is on the floor.	00:14:52
	Like where the contestants are and like where I'm at.	00:14:57
	Like running stuff.	00:14:59
	It was a little bit muffled, but that's the least of.	00:15:00
	I mean the crowd.	00:15:03
	And the outside is the is the important part. I saw the speakers are kind of turned towards the grandstand.	00:15:04
	Yes.	00:15:11
	There is 2 on top that they're kind of smaller and we we're going to work on it. It's not a.	00:15:12
	It's not a big issue. You guys have improved it.	00:15:18
	Every year.	00:15:20
	Yes. Well, I know that cost a lot and we thank you 250,000. Oh yeah, yeah.	00:15:21
	Yeah.	00:15:26
	That's a lot I also wanted to tell me, reminded me so as part of the the video crew and the big screen that came in.	00:15:27
	They actually were very impressed with how we run the rodeo.	00:15:33
	So.	00:15:36
	Just so you.	00:15:37
	To kind of give you a.	00:15:38
	If you do a rodeo correctly, you run it in about two hours, a little more than two hours, because that's about what people can sit	00:15:40
	through.	00:15:43
	And that's also what people can. That's why all movies are about two hours long. So they're gonna they thought we'd be a.	00:15:46
	A good candidate for the Cowboy Channel.	00:15:52
	So that's the Cowboy Channel.	00:15:55
	Is a big deal.	00:15:57
	Cowboy Channel app is kind of it's the app, but.	00:15:58
	Still, it might give us a little bit, you know, Might.	00:16:01
	He helped put Sakura on the map.	00:16:03
	So, uh.	00:16:05
	So.	00:16:06
	Thought I'd bring that up about that.	00:16:07
	But anyway, it might be something, you know, that that might get us.	00:16:11
	You know, gets the cores name out there a little bit further than just you guys have done it. I mean that's that was a tremendous	00:16:14
	event.	00:16:17
	Thank you. Well, thank you for the support it.	00:16:20
	As you can see on here, the city.	00:16:23
	We couldn't do it without you. Maybe we can help you with the difference here. That's not that much.	00:16:25
	No, no, no. That's positive difference. Yeah, give that back to us.	00:16:29
	We can do that too. Well, no, congratulations on the work you guys do as volunteers and stuff. I know you do.	00:16:35
	Just put that together, every year is fantastic.	00:16:41
	Well, thank you.	00:16:44
	Thank you. Thank you for the help.	00:16:44
	No.	00:16:46
	I am so sorry, Sakura County.	00:16:52
	Fair loyalty.	00:16:54
	Much prettier than Caleb.	00:17:01
	So just one little comment on.	00:17:05
	What they were saying.	00:17:08
	At the.	00:17:10
	Meeting before the rodeo, they told us that squirrels.	00:17:12
	There are only four places in the whole state.	00:17:15
	That have the big screen and wear one of them.	00:17:18
	That's just a little side note.	00:17:21
	So I'm Sonya, Gerard and myself.	00:17:23
	My daughter Jamie Girard, who is a 2012 State Fair queen.	00:17:26
	And Jessica?	00:17:31
	Running the.	00:17:33
	The Coral County Fair and Rodeo Queen contest.	00:17:36
	For the fair board.	00:17:39
	I also want to say they have been a super supporter.	00:17:40
	And it's.	00:17:44
	Really nice.	00:17:45
	Everybody's working together.	00:17:48
	I also want to say thank you so much to you Mayor and to the city.	00:17:50
	You guys let us.	00:17:54
	Ride out there and practice.	00:17:56
	Horses, you let us use the arena.	00:17:58
	Our competition and we got to use the.	00:18:02
	Senior citizens center to have our.	00:18:06
	Personality.	00:18:10
	So, umm.	00:18:11
	Just really quick, these girls.	00:18:13
	There's 200 points that they are.	00:18:16
	Competing for.	00:18:18
	So if they're on the rodeo side.	00:18:20
	Their horsemanship side is worth 100 points.	00:18:22
	Their personality is worth 100 points.	00:18:26
	If they're on the fair side, they do a demonstration of something that they have.	00:18:28
	Entered into the fair.	00:18:33
	That is also worth 100 points, so it's a big deal.	00:18:35
	Personality.	00:18:38
	They have to model, they have to give a speech, they do impromptu questions.	00:18:39
	So sometimes when you think of a rodeo queen, you think, wow, she can just run fast around the arena.	00:18:46
	But.	00:18:53
	There's a whole bunch to that.	00:18:55
	So I'm super proud of these girls.	00:18:57
	I'm very thankful to you guys. Steve was like.	00:18:59
	Amazing. For me it.	00:19:02
	I would call and say can we do this or you know, he had the ground ready. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.	00:19:04
	And Linda was the same.	00:19:11
	So we couldn't be more thankful for that.	00:19:13
	I would like the girls to introduce themselves because we want them also learn to speak in public so.	00:19:16
	Hi, so my name is Esperanza Lopez, I'm 17 years old and I'm the.	00:19:23
	This you guys can actually hear me? I'm a little short.	00:19:27
	But I'm a 2025 through 2026 Socorro County Rodeo queen.	00:19:30
	You know, being in like a rodeo queen.	00:19:36
	We don't just like, run around.	00:19:39
	The arena, we don't just ride like Sonia said. It's a really big part of it is coming out and representing not just the sport of	00:19:40
	rodeo.	00:19:44
	But Socorro County itself.	00:19:48
	In the community, like what we're doing here, we're out here supporting rodeo to the city of Sakura, I guess, but.	00:19:50
	It's a really fun opportunity.	00:19:55
	To represent like what we do.	00:19:57
	And to get out and.	00:20:00
	And all these.	00:20:02
	Events and stuff, it's just a really fun thing. I really enjoy being a rodeo queen. It's taught me a lot.	00:20:03
	I've had this title previously as the 2023 through.	00:20:09
	2024.	00:20:12
	Saguaro County Rodeo Clean.	00:20:13
	And these past two titles I've held have really, like taught me.	00:20:15
	I've learned how to speak publicly.	00:20:19
	I used to get up here and like.	00:20:21
	No idea what to say.	00:20:24
	But.	00:20:26
	Theater Rodeo Queen has extremely helped me with that.	00:20:27
	My writing has improved.	00:20:30
	So much.	00:20:32
	I went from not being able to.	00:20:35
	Find a decent horse that would like I could actually work with.	00:20:36
	To actually knowing what to do when I get on a horse and like.	00:20:40
	You know what you have to do to ride. There's a lot that goes into it.	00:20:44
	It's taught me a lot. I'm not the most like.	00:20:49
	Model E like she said.	00:20:51
	No.	00:20:54
	Maybe have not improved in that stance, but.	00:20:55
	It's a really great opportunity for us girls.	00:20:58
	Teaches us a lot, like I said, and I've really had.	00:21:02
	And I'm really gonna have a fun time during my reign representing Socorro County and the sport of rodeo.	00:21:05
	Awake. Are you a senior?	00:21:10
	Yeah, I'm a senior. And what are you going to do next year? What are you thinking about doing?	00:21:12
	Possibly NMSU?	00:21:16
	For livestock yugging and extension.	00:21:18
	Oh, congratulations.	00:21:22
	And also if she wants to, she would be eligible to go and enter state fairpoint next year.	00:21:24
	Good evening Mayor Vascular, City Council members and guests.	00:21:32
	My name is Brianna Cero, I'm 16 years old and I am your 2025 through 2026 so Crow County Fair Queen.	00:21:42
	I'm so excited that I was able to get this opportunity. I know when I was younger, when I was my sister's age, I looked up the	00:21:49
	fair Queens.	00:21:53
	And I thought, wow, they're amazing. They're beautiful.	00:21:57
	Even the rodeo Queens. I just thought.	00:21:59
	You know, I hope to be like them one day.	00:22:02
	And here I am. I'm standing up here.	00:22:04
	Honestly, I never thought I'd be able to be given the opportunity. I'm glad that I was able to run and.	00:22:06
	Get.	00:22:12
	I've looked up.	00:22:14
	To when I was younger I looked up the fair Queens and.	00:22:15
	You know, they can public speak, they can come up here and talk to people like you guys and.	00:22:19
	I'm just really amazed that I'm able to.	00:22:24
	Be here today.	00:22:26
	I'm excited to represent to Coral County, you know Socorro County is.	00:22:27
	Brilliant. And I'm ready to just.	00:22:31
	Be proud of my.	00:22:33
	City. I'm just representing Circle County as a whole.	00:22:36
	So I thank you so much for having me here this evening and I'm excited to see what this year will bring.	00:22:39
	Thank you. Don't, don't go away. And how many times, how many times have you participated?	00:22:44
	How many years have you been doing it?	00:22:49
	This is my first year ever, so yes Sir.	00:22:51
	Well, congratulations.	00:22:54
	Thank you.	00:22:56
	Hi everyone.	00:23:00
	My name is Hayley Massaro.	00:23:01
	And I'm the 2025 Sakura County Fair Princess.	00:23:04
	This year at the fair I showed a heifer and.	00:23:08
	And.	00:23:12
	I'm running with my two sisters.	00:23:14
	Brianne and Dylan.	00:23:17
	And it's really cool that all three of us form this year.	00:23:19
	An India.	00:23:23
	Did you did you sell your heifer?	00:23:26
	No.	00:23:28
	No, you don't want to sell it.	00:23:29
	No, she didn't make so.	00:23:31
	Congratulations. That's great.	00:23:34
	You know there's a step down there you can pull it out.	00:23:37
	Yeah, there you go.	00:23:49
	Hi everyone, my name is Jayden Lucero and I'm your current Sakura County fresh sweetheart.	00:23:51
	I this is my first year running.	00:23:58
	I am a fourth grader in Midway Elementary.	00:24:01
	And at the fair I shall.	00:24:06
	Goats. Chickens.	00:24:09
	And buddies.	00:24:10
	So wait, what's that now? What's the sweetheart?	00:24:13
	What does it take to be a sweetheart?	00:24:16
	It takes a lot of work after learning your speech.	00:24:18
	You have to be like.	00:24:21
	Very pleasant and.	00:24:22
	Yeah, nice. They get the.	00:24:24
	I mean, is that how you work it?	00:24:26
	Mm-hmm.	00:24:28
	Congratulations. Great, great.	00:24:29
	Oh, you probably don't need that.	00:24:34
	Hi everyone, my name is Karina Maldonado.	00:24:39
	And I am your current Socorro County Fair.	00:24:43
	Rodeo Princess.	00:24:46
	And this year?	00:24:47
	At the County Fair I showed 2 worms.	00:24:48
	And for this year, this is my second year running for.	00:24:51
	The I ran through the side.	00:24:58
	For 1/3 procession I didn't get anything.	00:25:01
	And then I decided to run for Rodeo Princess this year and it was really a lot of fun.	00:25:04
	In the work.	00:25:09
	Did you get to share your Lambs or you just let them?	00:25:13
	No, I got to share my language.	00:25:16
	Well, good for you.	00:25:19
	Great. Good job.	00:25:21
	Thank you.	00:25:22
	Thank you.	00:25:23
	Sonia, how long have you been doing this? You've been.	00:25:23
	Volunteering to do this.	00:25:26
	For a long time, a long time ago, and this was alive.	00:25:28
	I ran it.	00:25:32
	Like that 14 years or so a long time.	00:25:33
	You spent a lot of time doing this. When Jamie and Amanda got old enough to run, I felt like I needed to not do it.	00:25:38
	Yeah, Thank you for. Thank you for.	00:25:44
	Taking the time to do that.	00:25:46
	Maybe they can take a picture with us too, yes?	00:25:48
	These guys, their judges this year.	00:25:51
	One of them was Miss Rodeo, Kansas.	00:25:54
	That came One of the judges was Miss Turquoise Circuit.	00:25:57
	And then we want, I'd like to try to mix it up.	00:26:02
	So the other one was.	00:26:05
	A rancher.	00:26:07
	She's ranchers wife. They did.	00:26:08
	You call it sorting.	00:26:13
	And she had actually qualified to go to nationals and sorting so.	00:26:15
	There's qualified judges, so these guys have, it's not like.	00:26:19
	I get to pay.	00:26:24
	Come on up guys, ladies.	00:26:27
	Answer on your command.	00:26:30
	I don't, definitely.	00:26:34
	So where was the lady from? Kansas. Where was she from?	00:26:36
	Funny, where was she from?	00:26:39
	She was Miss Roscoe.	00:26:40
	Cancers. Wow, she had run.	00:26:43
	For America.	00:26:46
	What so?	00:26:47
	Good job.	00:26:57
	Heidi, what did I miss?	00:27:04
	Oh yeah, Miss Paul.	00:27:09
	Paul Hardin, Our.	00:27:12
	Resident historian about.	00:27:14
	What goes on in Socorro and?	00:27:17
	He's gonna.	00:27:19
	Talk to us about the El Camino Real Trail.	00:27:20
	I don't.	00:27:25
	Yeah, my name is Paul Hardin. I'm here representing the Friends of the Camino Real and the Socorro County Historical Society.	00:27:26
	Most people know the Camino Real has been a significant part of New Mexico's history since the late 1500s.	00:27:34
	And there's a lot of.	00:27:41
	Interest in the Camino Real.	00:27:43
	By the state and stuff some time ago.	00:27:45
	Unfortunately, it kind of crashed and burned.	00:27:49
	And the National Historic Trails, which is part of the National Park Service.	00:27:52
	Has this program where they want to mark the trail.	00:27:58
	It's exactly where it was.	00:28:01
	Unfortunately, not too many people know where it is.	00:28:03
	And I've.	00:28:06
	Mapped it in the 1980s.	00:28:08
	And then again in the 1990s with GPS. And then again lately with my drone.	00:28:11
	Video and the National Historic Trails has finally decided to contact.	00:28:17
	The local authorities to try to get these signs up.	00:28:24
	And this actually started about 6-7 years ago and it got interrupted by.	00:28:27
	Budget cuts and COVID and global warming and I don't know what well.	00:28:33
	And so we.	00:28:38
	Have.	00:28:39
	Approached the city and the county about this.	00:28:40
	And a lot of work is going on behind the scenes, so I.	00:28:44
	Kind of felt compelled to spend a few moments to kind of bring.	00:28:47
	The the.	00:28:51
	Counselors up to date as to what's been going on.	00:28:53
	The county and the city has signed off on the.	00:28:58
	Program in which the National Historic Trails will be placing some Rd. signs.	00:29:01
	Both in the city of Socorro and the county roads.	00:29:06
	Dominantly the Boscocito Rd. because that's the Camino real.	00:29:10
	On the West, the east side of the river.	00:29:14
	And I think.	00:29:17
	You've been given a map I think of for.	00:29:22
	Will be located.	00:29:25
	National Historic Trails started off with 14 Rd. signs in the coral.	00:29:26
	And we kind of thought that was a little overkill.	00:29:31
	So mostly.	00:29:35
	Just for those who.	00:29:38
	Might not know the.	00:29:41
	Hwy. 1 coming up from San Antonio is.	00:29:43
	Basically the Camino real.	00:29:47
	And then the Bhaskar Central Rd.	00:29:49
	And then coming into Socorro with Cuba Rd.	00:29:52
	Came into the Plaza.	00:29:55
	To pass the church.	00:29:57
	And our El Camino Real Rd. is indeed the Camino real.	00:29:58
	And then it kind of swerved over.	00:30:03
	To Pavito Point, and that's of course the Escondido Rd. that goes to Lemotar.	00:30:06
	So a lot of it is actually now paved roads or.	00:30:11
	At least maintain dirt roads.	00:30:15
	So we kind of felt like.	00:30:18
	We didn't need 14 signs to tell Socorro ones.	00:30:20
	Where the communal reality is. I think once you're on communal reality, you see a sign.	00:30:25
	You don't need five more signs.	00:30:29
	Going down.	00:30:33
	So.	00:30:34
	This the whole point of this.	00:30:38
	Is that?	00:30:41
	In my own eyes, the Camino real.	00:30:43
	Is a lot of remnant of it is still in Sierra and Socorro County more than any place else in the state.	00:30:45
	And in the last 10 years, it's starting to disappear.	00:30:52
	It's getting grown over with grass and.	00:30:55
	Things like that it's hard to see. So by marking it.	00:30:58
	Preserves it, and that's part of it.	00:31:01
	Is the preservation.	00:31:03
	And secondly.	00:31:05
	Is it really does help tourism?	00:31:07
	Because I can tell you I get contacted all the time wanting to know. Is there any place you can see the Camino real?	00:31:10
	And I usually, there's lots of places, but I usually just tell them, yeah, instead of the Quadratus Rd. just drive down to	00:31:17
	Boscocito Rd.	00:31:21
	So you know part of that.	00:31:25
	And I just really think that it's important to preserve the history of Socorro that the communal real.	00:31:27
	Sapporo was here.	00:31:33
	During the Camino Real.	00:31:35
	One of the other villages.	00:31:37
	You know, came later.	00:31:39
	So I just wanted to thank.	00:31:40
	Basically the city.	00:31:42
	For the support of trying to get this done.	00:31:44
	Even though much of it.	00:31:47
	Was done under the table, so to speak.	00:31:48
	Or at least in the in the background, I won't say under the table.	00:31:51
	But there's just a lot of negotiations that took.	00:31:55
	Place with the National Park Service, the National Historic Trail.	00:31:58
	And so.	00:32:02
	Shortly, you'll be seeing some signs.	00:32:04
	On Cuba.	00:32:08
	By Clark Field.	00:32:10
	And El Camino real.	00:32:12
	The indicator and that is indeed the original route of.	00:32:14
	The communal real on this side of the river.	00:32:18
	And then you'll also see some.	00:32:20
	Like the Boston Cathedral Rd.	00:32:23
	Which of course the county is taking care of that.	00:32:26
	Anyway, I'd be glad to entertain any questions if anybody has.	00:32:29
	And thank the city again for your support.	00:32:33
	Manager and.	00:32:38
	Lloyd have been very helpful and.	00:32:39
	Helping select.	00:32:41
	The best places for the signs you spent a lot of time historian.	00:32:42
	Wise for the city.	00:32:47
	I mean years of keeping us informed about.	00:32:49
	The history and and hope you keep that up because.	00:32:52
	I think a lot of people in Socorro and I.	00:32:55
	I'm a newcomer, really.	00:32:57
	Don't realize the.	00:32:58
	The impact of the history and Socorro.	00:33:00
	And the church, and Oniate, And El Camino Real.	00:33:02
	And, you know, we try to start that outcome in reality.	00:33:06
	Center, which died.	00:33:09
	Yeah. But but there was a lot of interest at one time and then it kind of just.	00:33:11
	Like you said, died out.	00:33:15
	But it's good to have this. This is a good project.	00:33:17
	Well, it's really good for the city because let's say the National Park Service finally decided.	00:33:20
	It was best to contact the local municipalities.	00:33:26
	And.	00:33:30
	You know, through a while they've been actually very impressed with both the county and the city of Socorro.	00:33:31
	When other things have failed so.	00:33:37
	And I enjoy it because after six years, my job's finally done and now it's yours. So.	00:33:41
	You've done a great job. Thank you. Well, thank you. And again, the city's done a great job in helping us with this and I	00:33:48
	appreciate it. Thank you.	00:33:51
	Thank you.	00:33:55
	All right, we've got a small drawer here with premise.	00:34:02
	There's consumption and patio service. Who could that be?	00:34:07
	Mr. Mayor.	00:34:12
	This is the application for.	00:34:13
	RJR Enterprises, which is Robert Rinconis. It's for Bucks Canyon Brewing Company.	00:34:17
	It's for for the small Brewer, liquor license with on premises consumption and patio service.	00:34:23
	And Mr. Riconis was going to be here, but he is out of town at a meeting.	00:34:30
	So, well, you know, as you know, the box Canyon.	00:34:34
	Has been occupied once somebody left and.	00:34:39
	I know back a house now with RJ Chicken.	00:34:42
	I think I don't know if he's going to call it.	00:34:45
	They're going to occupy, but so it's great that we've got.	00:34:48
	Business people that are interested in.	00:34:51
	Opening up businesses that were closed.	00:34:53
	So we would recommend that they.	00:34:55
	Go ahead and get that small Brewer liquor license.	00:34:58
	Mr. Need a motion to go into public hearing.	00:35:01
	Yes, don't see a public. Is it a public hearing also?	00:35:04
	Donald yes.	00:35:07
	So let's go on to put that second. We're gonna second that. We go on to public hearing.	00:35:09
	On favor, all right.	00:35:14
	Anyone here?	00:35:15
	Opposed to a small Brewer liquor license.	00:35:17
	Now, OK, we'll go out of public.	00:35:22
	Make a motion to come out of public hearing, Mr. Mark.	00:35:25
	Second favor.	00:35:29
	Aye, make an action item.	00:35:30
	Clear No.	00:35:35
	Make a motion that we approve the liquor license with the premises premises consumption.	00:35:37
	And patio service.	00:35:43
	OK. Thank you and on to.	00:35:45
	Aye.	00:35:48
	As BI assume.	00:35:49
	Or is that another one?	00:35:52
	Call, Did you make up this agenda?	00:35:54
	Yeah, the next one is the municipal judge.	00:35:59
	Say, what is a municipal?	00:36:01
	No, no, I know that. I'm just saying.	00:36:04
	Was I just didn't realize it was going to be a public hearing. And then the second item is yes, OK, so we passed it.	00:36:07
	So the next item is.	00:36:13
	As you know, we've had.	00:36:14
	From the council and the mayor.	00:36:17
	An attempt to.	00:36:19
	Look into the possibility of not.	00:36:21
	Continuing the municipal.	00:36:24
	A court. The judge.	00:36:26
	And so one of the processes.	00:36:28
	Is to have.	00:36:30
	Committee and the committee has been meeting.	00:36:32
	Twice. And the other part of it is to have a public hearing.	00:36:36
	To hear the public's.	00:36:40
	Input.	00:36:41
	As to yay or nay.	00:36:42
	On this question.	00:36:44
	So this is the.	00:36:45
	Part where the.	00:36:47
	Public gets to have a.	00:36:48
	It should really say a public hearing.	00:36:52
	Shouldn't say Municipal ordinance Jurisdiction Advisory committee.	00:36:55
	This is a public hearing for this.	00:36:58
	Yes, Sir. It's listed under public hearing and under public forum.	00:37:00
	But it should say.	00:37:03
	Public hearing.	00:37:04
	Yeah.	00:37:05
	Yes, it's listed under public hearings. So we need a motion in the 2nd to go into this. Oh, I see, I see the heading.	00:37:08
	I'm sorry. So anyway.	00:37:15
	So we should go into public hearing.	00:37:17
	For for the people.	00:37:19
	To make comments.	00:37:20
	So that we can have.	00:37:22
	That documented in our.	00:37:24
	And then the committee will also come back.	00:37:25
	The committee is going to meet again on Monday.	00:37:28
	To take a vote as to what they're.	00:37:30
	Recommendation is.	00:37:31
	So then the Council will get to hear that.	00:37:33
	And then the next meeting that the Council has, which is October 3rd.	00:37:35
	7/7.	00:37:40
	7th would be the time that.	00:37:42
	The council either says yay or nay.	00:37:45
	To passing an ordinance.	00:37:47
	So this is what this is for is the public hearing.	00:37:49
	Obviously move into public hearing.	00:37:53
	Second moved and seconded all in favor.	00:37:56
	Aye. So people want to step. Yes, ma'am.	00:37:58
	Step up and give us your name and.	00:38:00
	Then give us your comments.	00:38:02
	And if you please sign the.	00:38:07
	She so we know who.	00:38:08
	OK. Hi, I'm Francis Peters and I've been attending the public.	00:38:11
	The City Council meetings for the last couple of times I've been hearing.	00:38:17
	How this all came about and.	00:38:20
	It's fascinating government work. It's amazing.	00:38:23
	I think as do this stuff.	00:38:26
	But what I was curious about, and when I was talking to people out in the community about it was.	00:38:28
	They were asking me because I told him I'd been the City Council meeting and they said, well, if you eliminate the Municipal	00:38:33
	Court.	00:38:36
	Than what the court cases go and I said well they'll go to Magistrate Court.	00:38:39
	And I said, well.	00:38:43
	I said that one of the comments.	00:38:44
	Was the one that you had made about.	00:38:46
	The Municipal Court is.	00:38:49
	That you're going to see any change.	00:38:52
	And the problems that Socorro has had in the past, like the dogs or weeds or the kinds of things that.	00:38:54
	You know you've tried to.	00:39:03
	The city has tried to change.	00:39:04
	And my question, I have one question about if it.	00:39:06
	Host of Majesty court, does that just give it more weight?	00:39:11
	So that.	00:39:14
	They can give greater fines or more.	00:39:15
	You know have more impact in terms of.	00:39:19
	You know, enforcement I guess would be what I would say. And then the second question is?	00:39:24
	My understanding was that the municipal.	00:39:29
	Was running at a deficit.	00:39:31
	To the city. So the city was.	00:39:33
	Supporting the Municipal Court.	00:39:35
	And there wasn't income coming from that.	00:39:38
	And my question is the money.	00:39:41
	Was going towards running municip.	00:39:44
	That then be diverted to the Magistrate Court.	00:39:46
	Or would it be diverted?	00:39:49
	Towards, you know, maybe getting a.	00:39:51
	$2.00 and a second.	00:39:55
	Enforcement control person or something so that.	00:39:58
	There would be some movement towards what the city actually wants and they were hoping.	00:40:02
	Get up Municipal Court.	00:40:06
	Besides eliminating that so that we have a deficit, there had to be some money going out.	00:40:08
	What would that money then be used for?	00:40:13
	OK, I have talked way too much and I have written the e-mail address. It's really long.	00:40:16
	I can answer that if you have. If you'd like me to or I would love for you to answer that not.	00:40:21
	So the two questions that you said was?	00:40:26
	Where does it go?	00:40:29
	If it doesn't, go to the Municipal Court.	00:40:30
	It does go to the Magistrate Court under municipal ordinances.	00:40:32
	And truth or consequences when they did eliminate the Municipal Court?	00:40:37
	The magistrate was reluctant.	00:40:41
	To hear municipal.	00:40:43
	Court ordinances.	00:40:45
	And so that could be a problem.	00:40:48
	That the magistrate.	00:40:50
	Is so overwhelmed.	00:40:51
	By the number of things.	00:40:53
	That are the Municipal Court was handling.	00:40:54
	That they would not have time to hear it.	00:40:58
	So that would be a problem, but there would go to Magistrate Court.	00:41:01
	And in my opinion, the Magistrate Court has a little more.	00:41:04
	Had bite to it.	00:41:09
	But the other part is that we've lost almost over 10 years, $1,000,000.	00:41:11
	On the Municipal Court.	00:41:15
	And we could use and I.	00:41:17
	What I would pledge is to use that money to get another code enforcement.	00:41:19
	And also help people clean for the.	00:41:23
	$100,000 a year.	00:41:25
	We could help almost refrigerate the.	00:41:28
	Clean people's places up.	00:41:30
	That a lot of people just can't do it. They're just poor.	00:41:32
	They don't have the equipment.	00:41:35
	And this stuff is accrued over 5060 years of families changing homes.	00:41:36
	So it gets to be cars, gets to be junk.	00:41:41
	And and we could actually.	00:41:45
	Do that with somebody dedicated every day to help.	00:41:47
	Clean Sakura up.	00:41:50
	So that's where that money would be diverted to.	00:41:51
	But the first question is a question whether the magistrate would be able to handle.	00:41:54
	And the load that.	00:41:59
	The judge now.	00:42:02
	But that's where it would go.	00:42:03
	OK, people say, well.	00:42:05
	The swimming pool is losing money, why don't you?	00:42:07
	Let's have another swimming pool to go to.	00:42:10
	If the county had another swimming pool.	00:42:13
	How our tech would allow us to use their swimming pool.	00:42:15
	I would definitely think about doing that.	00:42:19
	But there's no alternative to that or a library.	00:42:21
	Or a Police Department.	00:42:23
	As you know, as an ambulance department, I've asked the county to.	00:42:25
	Help and they finally showed up and said they would help.	00:42:28
	So if there was an alternative, then I.	00:42:31
	Then I would recommend that.	00:42:34
	Could I could I at least make one small suggestion, which is if you do.	00:42:36
	End up closing the Municipal Court and have money.	00:42:41
	Please get some more enforcement on the dogs, the wild dogs that have been fighting the bike riders and the runners and the	00:42:44
	walkers. Yeah, I know you've heard this a million times, but I just had to get up here and.	00:42:49
	It is bad. So anyway.	00:42:55
	Thank you so much, I think the judge had an answer.	00:42:56
	Oh yes, Sir, I'm so sorry.	00:42:59
	The reference to.	00:43:04
	In reference to the Magistrate Court over the Municipal Court.	00:43:07
	The Magistrate Court.	00:43:11
	Doesn't have they have the same power as municipal?	00:43:13
	It enforces what is allowed.	00:43:17
	By code or state statute.	00:43:19
	So if the city.	00:43:22
	Is has the amount of a certain amount of money.	00:43:25
	Which the code says it says.	00:43:28
	Up to $500 or 90 days in jail.	00:43:30
	Both court.	00:43:33
	And registered court can enforce that.	00:43:36
	We have been working.	00:43:39
	Can we?	00:43:41
	We address the dog issues.	00:43:44
	On this pamphlet. This booklet here.	00:43:47
	It'll show samples of all the.	00:43:49
	Court orders that I've given.	00:43:51
	For the.	00:43:53
	K9 M.	00:43:54
	The cleanup of the city of Socorro.	00:43:56
	So I'm trying to do the best I can.	00:44:00
	In regards as there's a process.	00:44:02
	On the judicial side.	00:44:06
	So As for the hearing officer?	00:44:08
	I think create a committee.	00:44:12
	They're limited to doing certain things too, so.	00:44:14
	As the mayor said.	00:44:17
	He still has the power now.	00:44:19
	If with the Minister Court being here.	00:44:21
	To clean up the properties, it doesn't have to be.	00:44:25
	One or the other.	00:44:28
	So if the mayor chooses to clean the property.	00:44:29
	Now with this.	00:44:32
	Courts still in place, they can still do that.	00:44:33
	And through the.	00:44:36
	Court hearings, the arraignments that we have.	00:44:37
	In court when the.	00:44:39
	For this with the code enforcement officer is present.	00:44:42
	I've actually given direction of what he can and can't do.	00:44:45
	I have to explain some of the process of the arraignment hearing.	00:44:49
	He provided evidence.	00:44:52
	After I directed him that.	00:44:54
	The Courtney Photographs notes.	00:44:56
	Photographs of the.	00:45:00
	Of the.	00:45:01
	Or the inoperable vehicles, or whatever it may be.	00:45:03
	But the court has to look at something.	00:45:07
	You know, make a verdict.	00:45:09
	Not just based on.	00:45:11
	With the quote UN quote implement officer writes in his notes.	00:45:13
	So for example, a simple one.	00:45:17
	So.	00:45:19
	If a citation is written.	00:45:20
	And it says inoperable.	00:45:22
	So the defendant.	00:45:24
	Basically.	00:45:26
	Makes a plea during the arraignment hearing, it says.	00:45:26
	Guilty or no conscious?	00:45:29
	So, umm.	00:45:31
	He comes in and says.	00:45:32
	I'll clean up the.	00:45:34
	The number of vehicles, uh.	00:45:36
	For the court.	00:45:38
	So I have no idea if it's one.	00:45:39
	Seven vehicles if it's not written on the citation.	00:45:41
	We've corrected that with the code enforcement officer I'd explained to him.	00:45:45
	What you can and can't do?	00:45:49
	But it is a process.	00:45:52
	A lot of people ask.	00:45:54
	For help in cleaning up the properties.	00:45:57
	And I always told him.	00:46:00
	I directed him to go talk to the code enforcement officer.	00:46:01
	Because a municipal judge can't.	00:46:04
	Recommend somebody for a lot of different reasons.	00:46:07
	Whether it could be a friend or.	00:46:10
	Trying to help somebody else and they take it the wrong way like in money wise.	00:46:12
	We can't do that. The city can't.	00:46:16
	And if the.	00:46:20
	They decide to make a recommendation based.	00:46:22
	Some possible liability issues.	00:46:25
	That's between the city and.	00:46:27
	In handling that.	00:46:30
	But the.	00:46:32
	I do.	00:46:33
	Dog cases.	00:46:34
	Degree leads whatever comes before the court. I invested in the proper way.	00:46:36
	There's an Arabian hearing.	00:46:43
	And then depending on the plea during the Raven hearing.	00:46:45
	If you plead not guilty, I can't listen to anything, then we go to.	00:46:49
	Then the officers are called into trial.	00:46:52
	He gives. They give their testimony.	00:46:54
	The defendant gives the testimony and then I make a decision as in the Raymond area.	00:46:57
	And the only difference is.	00:47:01
	In a court trial.	00:47:04
	If you're found guilty, they have the right to appeal to District Court.	00:47:06
	So they bypassed magistracy, Court goes.	00:47:09
	Directly to the District Court.	00:47:11
	But.	00:47:14
	You were asking for so much information I.	00:47:16
	Might have missed some stuff here.	00:47:18
	You want to ask now?	00:47:20
	We've addressed the issues about, you know, sort of what the difference between.	00:47:21
	And Municipal Court is.	00:47:27
	That was one of the big questions that came up.	00:47:30
	And I did talk to the Magistrate Judge.	00:47:32
	And he said that he has enough on his plate.	00:47:35
	Here's a big caseload.	00:47:37
	And if he takes over Sapporo?	00:47:39
	It's just going to increase their.	00:47:41
	So it would create.	00:47:44
	When you go to magistrate.	00:47:47
	Court it creates A docket so where?	00:47:49
	It sits on on date and time.	00:47:52
	Coming into the court.	00:47:54
	Will determine whether or how fast they're going to see it.	00:47:55
	So.	00:47:57
	As a court hearing committee, it depends on what the.	00:48:00
	The enforcement enforcement, enforcement.	00:48:04
	Court enforcement officer.	00:48:06
	Sites as a gate.	00:48:09
	Whether how quickly somebody can respond.	00:48:11
	And then that's the other thing too with.	00:48:14
	Municipal Court, we have to review the citations that come into our court, so we have to make sure it's the.	00:48:16
	The address is correct.	00:48:22
	So we can mail.	00:48:23
	A summons if the.	00:48:25
	Aren't given a date to appear.	00:48:27
	We have to review.	00:48:29
	Make sure the code is correct.	00:48:31
	We've had a lot of issues in the beginning.	00:48:33
	That the Colts have been correct, so we have to dismiss them.	00:48:35
	And that's that's what.	00:48:39
	Not only code enforcement officer.	00:48:41
	The Police Department and.	00:48:42
	The Animal Control.	00:48:45
	So if.	00:48:46
	If there's certain.	00:48:48
	If they don't fill the third criteria on that citation.	00:48:49
	We have to dismiss it.	00:48:53
	It's not our job to inform.	00:48:54
	The court enforcement officer.	00:48:56
	The animal control officer.	00:48:58
	Or the police officer.	00:49:00
	Basically, when we make a decision, if we dismiss it.	00:49:01
	It's then you have to come and ask for the disposition of.	00:49:04
	The outcome of the citation? It's their job to come and ask.	00:49:08
	So if there was an issue about.	00:49:11
	Possibly a court night.	00:49:14
	Taking.	00:49:15
	Action on whatever citation was before the court.	00:49:18
	That's incorrect. We take action on everything that comes into court.	00:49:22
	And what is provided in evidence?	00:49:26
	To the court.	00:49:28
	So you know.	00:49:30
	My comment is on that is that.	00:49:34
	This isn't just.	00:49:36
	In this court.	00:49:38
	When Judge Cassis was here, I had the same problem.	00:49:39
	And I don't know if you picked up the.	00:49:42
	Budget, uh.	00:49:44
	Shortfall.	00:49:46
	And and you know.	00:49:47
	I just think.	00:49:49
	Repeating something that's going on. You know what's the old story about if you.	00:49:50
	But if you look at the history and you repeat it, that's kind of.	00:49:54
	Not the right, I don't want to say that.	00:49:57
	But that's so and so.	00:50:00
	So in my opinion, and we can always bring the Municipal Court back.	00:50:01
	But in my opinion is that if we use that fund.	00:50:06
	And if the Magistrate Court has.	00:50:08
	A warrant out for somebody and they want to put them in jail.	00:50:11
	I have this money that I could pay the county jail for that warrant.	00:50:14
	Whereas right now we would have to pay extra on top of this.	00:50:18
	And the other thing this happens that the.	00:50:21
	The judges salary has been increased by 2530%.	00:50:23
	It's my. It's my.	00:50:26
	Analogy of somebody selling watermelons on the.	00:50:28
	On the Plaza with a half ton truck and losing money.	00:50:31
	He says, you know what I need is a three quarter ton truck.	00:50:34
	Well.	00:50:36
	That's not going to make you any more money, so.	00:50:37
	That's what's happened.	00:50:40
	So we're going to go into the debt even more.	00:50:41
	And I think.	00:50:43
	If you look at.	00:50:44
	City budgets.	00:50:46
	I have to look for and like I did with the county, it wasn't an easy thing for me to be upset with the county.	00:50:47
	Carrying on, people said. Don't do.	00:50:53
	You know, I have to lookout for the budget.	00:50:54
	And the budget is going to hurt here in the next 2-3 years because I can see a downtrend.	00:50:57
	And I just have to be careful as to what the budget is.	00:51:03
	We continue to increase the firefighters, the police officers and the rest of the salaries in the city.	00:51:06
	And, and we have to watch every penny that we spend and make sure it's meaningful.	00:51:13
	Councillor Shalomi made the comment.	00:51:18
	But let's see what we're getting from the Municipal Court and what we're going to lose.	00:51:20
	So that's what you have to wait. It's not anything specific about this court.	00:51:23
	How many cases come before the 4th this year?	00:51:28
	So so yes. So.	00:51:37
	Everything of the court system runs is basically what is.	00:51:39
	Brought into the art court.	00:51:43
	So if you want to see an increase.	00:51:45
	Then the police officers have to cite more into our court.	00:51:47
	If there's a.	00:51:51
	An equipment or a vehicle or.	00:51:53
	A traffic infraction.	00:51:56
	Then that's what they do. They cite.	00:51:58
	Into Municipal Court.	00:52:00
	So and then.	00:52:01
	There's a certain amount that we enforce.	00:52:03
	And same with the code violation. Same with the animal control.	00:52:06
	Citations. There's a certain amount.	00:52:11
	That is for each citation that comes into the court.	00:52:14
	So.	00:52:17
	The public should learn.	00:52:19
	At What's out there.	00:52:21
	Now, so if there's if you think of cars doing something bad.	00:52:24
	It's not, it's not the courts fault. It's.	00:52:27
	OK, so it's it's we we run.	00:52:30
	The court based on.	00:52:34
	Citations that come through our court.	00:52:36
	But how many?	00:52:39
	Cases, did you say?	00:52:41
	So I have I'll give you this booklet here.	00:52:46
	You can look at.	00:52:49
	You can even actually have this one.	00:52:50
	So as to back to.	00:52:53
	I'm going to kind of divert from that a little bit.	00:52:55
	So back to what the mayor said about how much money we lost in the last 10 years. So.	00:52:57
	The course generated according to the paperwork that we have.	00:53:04
	Has generated 836,560.	00:53:07
	Over the last 10 years.	00:53:10
	So we.	00:53:12
	Part of that.	00:53:13
	Goes to the Police Department.	00:53:15
	So 286.	00:53:16
	6629 goes to the Police Department.	00:53:18
	15,000.	00:53:21
	500 goes to the animal shelter.	00:53:22
	200 and 8064 Ghosts of the City.	00:53:24
	Under 74850 goes to.	00:53:27
	Detention center and then 78.	00:53:30
	688 has gone to the state.	00:53:33
	So that's what we calculated based on the information we have to support.	00:53:35
	So, but back to your question.	00:53:39
	The.	00:53:42
	The case numbers.	00:53:47
	We'll start back in 2016. This is under Chief Mike Winters. 2016 we had 2300.	00:53:48
	13 cases.	00:53:54
	2017 we had 17145 kids.	00:53:55
	2020 we had 2009 cases.	00:53:59
	2019 we have 15198 cases.	00:54:02
	2020 COVID hit so we only had.	00:54:06
	553 cases.	00:54:08
	21 corporate was still around, so we had 900.	00:54:11
	Cases, uh.	00:54:14
	Then the chief, Angel Garcia, took over.	00:54:16
	And in 22 we had.	00:54:20
	845.	00:54:22
	In 23 we had 895.	00:54:24
	In 24 we actually did pretty decent. We have 13150.	00:54:27
	And now?	00:54:31
	As we ran this report, it was for 2025.	00:54:34
	Is 651.	00:54:38
	Judge to clarify, is that the case is in your court or are these citations?	00:54:39
	He's not a sanitation because they're not processed in the court.	00:54:43
	He's at the citation.	00:54:46
	The other thing too is if you go down to the next level and I'll give you this book.	00:54:49
	No, I didn't give you this portion.	00:54:55
	Oh, you did. OK, so you do have the copy. So if you see as a code enforcement officer.	00:54:57
	In 2022 when I came into office.	00:55:02
	We only had 6 citations and you know, there's other avenues if if the officer, code enforcement officer.	00:55:05
	Was able to.	00:55:10
	Correct the issue.	00:55:12
	By verbally talking to him and getting it done.	00:55:13
	I have no idea on that.	00:55:16
	You would have to look at the Code Enforcement Office case files for each year.	00:55:17
	On 20/20 and that was with two officers.	00:55:22
	By the way.	00:55:24
	On 20/22.	00:55:25
	In 2023.	00:55:27
	We had 11 citations before the court.	00:55:28
	We started off with two officers and then for some apparently.	00:55:30
	Reason One officer left and it was down to one officer.	00:55:33
	In 2024.	00:55:37
	We had four citations with one officer.	00:55:38
	On the 2025 so far we had.	00:55:41
	One, but I was looking at what was bought in recently so we had a couple of more.	00:55:43
	So and.	00:55:49
	On the court enforcement side, I'm not sure unless.	00:55:50
	Handled.	00:55:53
	He would apparently would have to have a some kind of.	00:55:54
	Filing system on how many?	00:55:57
	People he's addressed.	00:55:59
	Within the community.	00:56:01
	Community with.	00:56:02
	The violations.	00:56:04
	OK. And then and the other thing too is?	00:56:05
	On the enum control side.	00:56:08
	In 2022.	00:56:09
	We had 53.	00:56:12
	Citations from.	00:56:13
	The animal control portion.	00:56:15
	We have 40 citations with by the police officer.	00:56:16
	In 2023 we had 35.	00:56:19
	With the animal control and.	00:56:21
	Seven from the police officer.	00:56:23
	A Police Department a 24.	00:56:25
	We had a 54.	00:56:28
	From the out of control and 13 from.	00:56:29
	Police Department.	00:56:31
	2025 So far we've got 36.	00:56:33
	And one from the Police Department.	00:56:35
	And each one of.	00:56:38
	Each of these.	00:56:39
	The same.	00:56:42
	Raymond, Harry.	00:56:43
	When you look at the the citation to make sure everything is is.	00:56:45
	That's correct in that citation. If it's not, we have to dismiss it. That's just way that the court system runs.	00:56:49
	And.	00:56:54
	It's going to basically.	00:56:57
	Give the same amount of fine.	00:57:00
	As we do here in the city.	00:57:01
	So and then back to what I was saying that.	00:57:03
	The the caseload that the Magistrate Court has.	00:57:06
	Is according to the.	00:57:10
	It's just going to be a lot of.	00:57:13
	Cases before him. So it's going to be on a docket case. It might not be seen for months at a time.	00:57:15
	So I just had one quick question. Sure.	00:57:20
	What does the judge but as remember the community.	00:57:23
	I'm looking at these numbers in a 2006.	00:57:25
	You know, 23.	00:57:28
	2016.	00:57:35
	When I was under my planners.	00:57:37
	And now you're down to 651.	00:57:38
	My question is what number would that have to go down to?	00:57:42
	Important, you'd say?	00:57:45
	Would you say you're right?	00:57:49
	I'm seeing these numbers every year appear to go down, which is grateful.	00:57:56
	I'm happy about that.	00:58:01
	What we have less enforcement officer, I'm not going to.	00:58:03
	Well, that's one point of view, ma'am.	00:58:07
	Right, I'm not in favor.	00:58:12
	I'm not trying to make a point here in the.	00:58:20
	I have I have to do all the fact that.	00:58:23
	But what you say?	00:58:28
	The next report is here for a reason. We're.	00:58:34
	Third party brands were not influenced by city government.	00:58:37
	Whatsoever.	00:58:41
	So we.	00:58:42
	So there you go. So.	00:58:45
	It's it's not.	00:58:47
	Depending on.	00:58:48
	On the court, whether we should still be here or not, it's depending on.	00:58:49
	The departments that issue citations into the court.	00:58:54
	So if one.	00:58:58
	One piece of the.	00:59:01
	Of the of the Pi isn't working.	00:59:02
	Then everything goes away.	00:59:05
	It's it's not going to go away.	00:59:07
	You said me looking.	00:59:10
	Towards everything as a citizen of Socorro.	00:59:13
	OK, so.	00:59:16
	Everybody here that the citizen of Sakura if you if you drive around.	00:59:17
	You see the issue?	00:59:21
	There's a lot of issues here.	00:59:23
	With the debris.	00:59:24
	Things falling apart and if that's not going to go away, it hasn't gone away.	00:59:26
	We've had an issue.	00:59:31
	Defendants when they come into my court.	00:59:34
	And there there's a citation written.	00:59:36
	On inoperable vehicles, weeds, or whatever it may be.	00:59:39
	They always point out a certain property.	00:59:42
	OK. And the property they bring up?	00:59:45
	In the court, every single time.	00:59:47
	There's a property behind.	00:59:50
	Brooks.	00:59:51
	We've had issues with that property.	00:59:53
	Number of times we had.	00:59:55
	I don't know how many fires 3 to 4 fires.	00:59:57
	And that location, we've had basements living in that.	01:00:00
	In that building.	01:00:03
	There's nothing that's been cited into my.	01:00:04
	Support in reference to that problem.	01:00:07
	So you would have to talk to the code enforcement officer.	01:00:09
	To see how that's been addressed.	01:00:13
	Because every time you have a.	01:00:15
	Fire at.	01:00:16
	That any property, especially if it's an ongoing.	01:00:18
	Issue over and over again. Now you're looking at.	01:00:22
	Cost Analysis.	01:00:26
	You're looking at the fire department being sent out.	01:00:27
	You're you're sending out the fire trucks.	01:00:29
	Sending out the police to.	01:00:32
	Requirement for traffic control.	01:00:33
	Officers, uh.	01:00:35
	There to keep traffic control. So now you have everything.	01:00:37
	Our EMS, we have our Police Department.	01:00:40
	Oh, fighting a fire.	01:00:43
	And then making sure there's nobody in the fire.	01:00:46
	So now our resources are now.	01:00:48
	There's money to begin with, but now we have nothing out in the city.	01:00:51
	So you're supposed to rely on the service department and the state police if you have something serious.	01:00:54
	So as a citizen.	01:00:59
	You have to address a lot of things.	01:01:02
	So anyway, you had a question, maybe we should ask somebody else.	01:01:04
	Come up, you got a.	01:01:10
	Identify yourself.	01:01:12
	That's OK, you know.	01:01:17
	And listening to this and didn't know anything about it.	01:01:19
	I've worked in the judicial.	01:01:23
	For 13 years. In January would be 14 years. I worked in the DA's office for the first part.	01:01:26
	I worked with Judge Murphy as a monitor.	01:01:32
	And now I'm doing pre prosecution aversion Beckett.	01:01:35
	At the DA's office, so.	01:01:38
	I see a lot of this stuff every.	01:01:41
	I watch our attorneys leave on.	01:01:43
	Days, especially the middle of the week, to Magistrate Court.	01:01:46
	Like stacks?	01:01:52
	Of files and is not one attorney and they're going to Magistrate Court.	01:01:53
	And they're there all day.	01:01:58
	Because it is so backed up.	01:02:00
	So, so, so the question is whether the Office of the Courts.	01:02:03
	Should allow another magistrate in this.	01:02:06
	Jurisdiction.	01:02:09
	Well, but I don't know.	01:02:10
	Something has to happen because if you look more on Felix.	01:02:12
	Sure.	01:02:16
	I don't think that stuff will ever.	01:02:17
	Well, no, when I mentioned that, I understand that.	01:02:19
	As far as?	01:02:26
	Just because I'm at that office all the time.	01:02:28
	You know, I see.	01:02:31
	This doesn't work because this is coded on. This doesn't work because that.	01:02:33
	You know, I'm sorry.	01:02:40
	I can't be still.	01:02:42
	I talk like that.	01:02:43
	So there's so much that comes up to.	01:02:47
	To make everything get to court and go through court.	01:02:52
	Correctly.	01:02:56
	You know.	01:02:57
	We dismiss cases.	01:03:01
	They have to fix something. We file cases. Can you refile?	01:03:03
	But you've got to get the cops. You got whoever.	01:03:08
	Is the charging. You've got to get them to fix that.	01:03:12
	So, umm.	01:03:15
	You know our office bugs the heck out of them until we get what we want so that we can go back.	01:03:16
	But uh.	01:03:22
	But you know, all I know is.	01:03:24
	If you put more on Magistrate Court.	01:03:27
	I'm not sure what's going to happen and I know they even took a bunch of.	01:03:30
	Like the compliance stuff?	01:03:34
	Away from them and now that's going to be with all the felonies are going to be with District Court.	01:03:37
	And I have another question.	01:03:43
	When I was at the courts.	01:03:46
	If you were a monitor, everybody in the state got.	01:03:48
	Whenever.	01:03:52
	They got a raise, so every judge got a raise when they got a raise is.	01:03:52
	At how you got the raise or?	01:03:56
	So you're not in that.	01:04:04
	So during this time.	01:04:06
	I thought it would be pumped after that position.	01:04:08
	This program is generated because they hadn't received it.	01:04:11
	OK, so.	01:04:16
	That includes City Council members, the mayor that raised too so.	01:04:18
	This this mirror didn't get arranged.	01:04:24
	From No.	01:04:26
	It'll be the next mayor.	01:04:29
	Well, definitely you don't get no races.	01:04:30
	Not for, not for 35 years.	01:04:33
	From where I'm at.	01:04:37
	And my other thing is we're talking about raises.	01:04:38
	My.	01:04:41
	Of pre prosecution diversion.	01:04:42
	I had some contact with.	01:04:44
	I don't understand anyway.	01:04:49
	I got to do some stuff.	01:04:50
	With Animal Control.	01:04:52
	OK. And.	01:04:54
	I listened a lot to how.	01:04:56
	Kind of.	01:04:59
	That was running.	01:05:00
	And.	01:05:01
	I think you need more people there.	01:05:04
	You know what I mean? I, the county guy was working in the city.	01:05:07
	You know.	01:05:10
	What's that you're going to start on that?	01:05:16
	That's a long story.	01:05:18
	And is.	01:05:20
	I don't know even know who the city.	01:05:23
	Animal control person is now, but at that time.	01:05:26
	Wasn't that guy that was in charge of?	01:05:29
	The animal shelter also.	01:05:32
	The 911.	01:05:35
	So we have two we actually we.	01:05:38
	The county quit animal control.	01:05:40
	And we hired him.	01:05:43
	At the city, so we have two animals. We're a little off the subject.	01:05:45
	But I can use some of that money, Christian.	01:05:51
	33 so yeah.	01:05:54
	Yeah, so we did. But you know, I mean, again, it has to do with budgets.	01:05:57
	It has to do with how much money we have.	01:06:01
	And again.	01:06:04
	Stay with the Municipal Court question.	01:06:06
	It has to do with the budget.	01:06:08
	And I understand, and I mentioned that ahead of time about the magistrate.	01:06:11
	But, and I can ask the assistant Chief Greenwood.	01:06:15
	But the some of the citations are going to.	01:06:18
	To a mandatory court.	01:06:21
	From the.	01:06:23
	Sorry.	01:06:24
	So the numbers have decreased because some of them are going to Magistrate Court and the other thing is the 2000 number that when	01:06:27
	Chief Winters was here.	01:06:31
	Those are mostly clerical.	01:06:36
	They're not in court.	01:06:39
	Cases. That's what I wanted to call clarify.	01:06:40
	Those 2300 are not in court cases.	01:06:44
	Those are citations that some people just plead to.	01:06:48
	And they have to be, they have to be, they have to be clerically done.	01:06:51
	Right. But but that's, you know, those are not.	01:06:55
	Now the dog cases.	01:06:57
	And some of the the citations for code enforcement.	01:06:59
	Are some are in court cases, but those numbers are small.	01:07:03
	Yeah, the in court cases.	01:07:06
	And I don't know that my, I don't think there's a justification.	01:07:08
	For the amount of money we're losing.	01:07:12
	No, I just, I didn't even know this was on. Well, then, OK, Just listening to it, I was like, well, don't worry, we won't hold it	01:07:14
	against you. It's OK. I'll talk to you about a horse.	01:07:19
	But you have some, you have some expertise and thank you for, thank you for bringing that.	01:07:25
	So based on what you said, Mayor?	01:07:29
	Between the citations brought in and court cases.	01:07:32
	So when you have an arraignment hearing, that's a court case.	01:07:35
	Depending how they plea.	01:07:37
	Will continue to.	01:07:39
	So how many citation is that 2300 arrangements?	01:07:41
	No SO.	01:07:45
	This people with the coral or anywhere in the state, in the state of New Mexico.	01:07:47
	They have law enforcement is.	01:07:51
	Supposed to provide two options.	01:07:54
	Either penalty assessment.	01:07:56
	For a court hearing.	01:07:57
	All right. And how many of those are court hearings?	01:08:02
	I didn't write that down.	01:08:06
	That's convenient.	01:08:10
	So yes, Sir.	01:08:12
	Oh no.	01:08:15
	Hello.	01:08:21
	So on the code enforcement officer, I just wanted to come see my piece.	01:08:23
	I don't believe it's not one person doing their job.	01:08:27
	I think it's tough for our Municipal Court with the process that they've been given.	01:08:30
	It's hard to sink your teeth into someone.	01:08:34
	I'm literally happy to tell me I will take.	01:08:38
	The fine.	01:08:41
	And not go to court.	01:08:43
	And take the warrant.	01:08:44
	What's gonna happen to me?	01:08:46
	So.	01:08:47
	I just came with some ideas.	01:08:49
	Instead of going to Magistrate Court.	01:08:52
	My idea was to have our own administrative hearings here at the city.	01:08:54
	We'd hire an administrative officer.	01:08:57
	And they would hear all the cases.	01:08:59
	With that philosophy, you're not going after the person.	01:09:02
	You're going after the property.	01:09:05
	And doing some research, you can possibly do that with the municipal courts too.	01:09:07
	But like I said, I was just bringing ideas to the table.	01:09:14
	But for doing work.	01:09:18
	Stuff like that.	01:09:20
	Since 2022.	01:09:22
	Since I started, we removed.	01:09:23
	100 tons of junk.	01:09:25
	And people heard the 70.	01:09:27
	£1000 a year.	01:09:28
	And my philosophy for code enforcement is to work with the community, not against it. So.	01:09:31
	The absolute last resort for me would be to write a citation.	01:09:36
	And I can't say that I've written a rotate or a citation and.	01:09:40
	Not had like the proper hearings and all that. Everything's done right.	01:09:45
	It's just the process, that squad.	01:09:50
	I think we got to rewrite the process if possible.	01:09:53
	I think.	01:09:56
	Municipal court's hands are tied with that.	01:09:58
	But I've found other tools. Citations are one tool.	01:10:02
	I use that tool as I see fit.	01:10:06
	And a lot of the times with pressure.	01:10:09
	And just.	01:10:12
	Helping out in the community.	01:10:14
	They worked with me.	01:10:16
	So I'm not gonna cite people just for the sake of citing people.	01:10:17
	Of course, if you're not going to work with me.	01:10:22
	I will thank you.	01:10:24
	We will go to court.	01:10:25
	And whether you get a warrant.	01:10:27
	OK, fine.	01:10:29
	Regardless, I mean, I got to figure out ways around.	01:10:31
	To get people to clean up properties and for the property that was in reference.	01:10:34
	Behind John Brooks it was never studied into court because.	01:10:39
	It took me maybe a month or two but I had that even removed.	01:10:43
	It was destroyed.	01:10:47
	And we are now working on the cleanup part so.	01:10:49
	Like I said, it's just.	01:10:53
	Writing citations. The Municipal Court.	01:10:55
	My truck, My trailer.	01:10:57
	Abatements.	01:10:59
	Writing letters to people, they're all just tool that I use and.	01:11:00
	Some things I need to show with some days in your week.	01:11:04
	So.	01:11:06
	OK anyone else would like to make a comment that's from the public?	01:11:08
	Come on up.	01:11:12
	My name is Mario model.	01:11:20
	You smoke for you guys?	01:11:23
	So muscle running for City Council, but.	01:11:25
	So I've been approached and.	01:11:27
	Just talk to Chris.	01:11:29
	I've got his perspective. He's actually done a lot of work.	01:11:32
	With outside work.	01:11:34
	Caught with support and stuff.	01:11:36
	Which is.	01:11:37
	In my opinion, a good thing.	01:11:39
	You know, if you're not gonna have to cite it and you're still getting people.	01:11:40
	Cooperate. That's great.	01:11:43
	Talked to Joseph, he says that's.	01:11:45
	You know, uh.	01:11:47
	Is the and.	01:11:50
	Just hearing Kenneth.	01:11:52
	Earlier he said that.	01:11:53
	Some of them are going to.	01:11:54
	Magistrate and someone going to.	01:11:55
	Municipal SO.	01:11:58
	Is there a mini world?	01:11:59
	Joseph, we could get more information on it.	01:12:01
	All that stuff and.	01:12:04
	So when officer of England.	01:12:05
	When I mentioned mention.	01:12:09
	Majesty so.	01:12:10
	Municipal Court doesn't handle DWI.	01:12:13
	So if a.	01:12:15
	Person decided for.	01:12:18
	You can't break up.	01:12:20
	The citations with the chart.	01:12:21
	So everything has to go.	01:12:22
	To Magistrate Court so but a person is charged.	01:12:24
	With a criminal case.	01:12:27
	With the vehicle then the citations go magistrate if it's a felon.	01:12:31
	If it's a.	01:12:35
	Above, I don't know what it is. What is it?	01:12:37
	Officer Greenwood, the amount.	01:12:39
	No, for the criminal charges.	01:12:44
	So if somebody's charged with.	01:12:50
	Fence or.	01:12:51
	Nice to meet and what's the amount?	01:12:53
	For the 4th, it goes to the municipal.	01:12:56
	Is his officer description. They want to say we have an organs for and one side.	01:13:01
	But most of our ordinance.	01:13:05
	So after talking to the Magistrate Judge.	01:13:16
	He's had a actually a conversation with.	01:13:20
	With the mayor asking him to cite.	01:13:23
	Having asking the officer settings municipal for that reason because he.	01:13:26
	His case was so overwhelmed.	01:13:30
	So the majority of.	01:13:32
	Traffic cases should be coming to municipal.	01:13:34
	Report not the magistracy.	01:13:37
	But if there's like once again, if there's.	01:13:39
	An offense that.	01:13:42
	Charged.	01:13:44
	Then all the traffic.	01:13:46
	Violations go.	01:13:48
	Towards the case you can't separate.	01:13:49
	OK, so.	01:13:55
	One question is.	01:13:58
	So is there a reason we're dropping our?	01:14:00
	Citations. Uh.	01:14:02
	Between the dog catchers and everything else, that is.	01:14:05
	I mean, just looking at the thing, like I said, you said earlier, it's not all I'm going to court.	01:14:07
	Or being held in the judge thing.	01:14:13
	But you can just you can see it can significant.	01:14:16
	Amount of the drop.	01:14:19
	One of the citations.	01:14:21
	Is there a reason for that or?	01:14:22
	You know that that's all I want.	01:14:25
	I mean the reason.	01:14:27
	As one of the people said, could be the.	01:14:29
	Staffing. We were short on staff at one time. We finally got fully staffed.	01:14:32
	The other reason is we're not siding this often.	01:14:37
	But the bottom line is you're not going to cite yourself out of this deficit.	01:14:39
	We're not going to try to side ourselves.	01:14:43
	And making more money for the court just to get out of the deficit.	01:14:46
	I'm just saying there's a history of 10 years.	01:14:50
	Of constantly going.	01:14:52
	In the whole almost 100,000 a year.	01:14:54
	And how we're going to change that?	01:14:57
	In my opinion is.	01:15:00
	It's not going to change.	01:15:01
	And that's why I'm asking the judge.	01:15:03
	What are your PIN?	01:15:06
	Court numbers? As far as how many?	01:15:08
	Because you're not getting that money from the dog, you're not getting that much from code enforcement.	01:15:11
	And I don't know if we're getting a lot of people that are fighting the.	01:15:16
	The citations.	01:15:19
	So what is really the the purpose of that court other than clerical?	01:15:20
	So. But I can't answer your question about why the.	01:15:25
	I'm not saying.	01:15:28
	I mean, I understand the Police Department has been on our staff for years.	01:15:29
	Just like the fire department, we were always on the staff for years.	01:15:33
	They do the best they can with what they got, you know, And that's, that's.	01:15:37
	The police department's always been.	01:15:41
	Good to us.	01:15:43
	As the fire department, they would.	01:15:44
	They had our back when we always had.	01:15:45
	Something happened or something. They were always there for us. They always took care of us.	01:15:48
	And like I said, they're undermanned.	01:15:52
	It's good to see that they're all getting staffed now and stuff.	01:15:54
	And like I said, those are just a couple questions I have.	01:15:58
	Thank you. Thank you.	01:16:02
	So in reference to the court cases.	01:16:05
	So when somebody comes into court, an arraignment hearing, if I'm able to explain to them how the system.	01:16:08
	Runs correctly.	01:16:15
	They make that choice. They make that choice not to go to trial. They make that choice to to work with the judge.	01:16:16
	At the arraignment hearing.	01:16:22
	And like I said.	01:16:25
	The option of penalty assessment versus.	01:16:27
	For cases.	01:16:29
	It depends on what the officer.	01:16:32
	How? He explains.	01:16:34
	The two different.	01:16:36
	Options when it comes to.	01:16:38
	A citation? No, but I'm just asking in real time. Maybe Brittany can tell us.	01:16:41
	In real time.	01:16:46
	What's your average number of in court cases?	01:16:47
	During the last three months, what's the number of cases per day?	01:16:51
	In court.	01:16:55
	So I'm not sure.	01:16:56
	So for the last couple of months, I would say we would have.	01:17:03
	At least 15 cases.	01:17:06
	Per day.	01:17:08
	And that's because since this whole process has started.	01:17:10
	We haven't really received any citations from the Police Department.	01:17:14
	So I'm not sure if they're all going to Magistrate Court or?	01:17:17
	No, but I guess I hate to just keep. I'm talking about 10 years, but maybe you can give me a.	01:17:21
	Six month average, you're having 15 cases every day.	01:17:26
	For for six months.	01:17:30
	For six months.	01:17:33
	Yes, 15 to 20 cases a day.	01:17:34
	That's five days a week.	01:17:36
	And it's five days a week.	01:17:38
	So there's 90 cases.	01:17:39
	Per week.	01:17:42
	Yes. So we receive every collect citations every week in court, not the citation of clerical I'm saying in court.	01:17:44
	Where you have a person in front of the judge.	01:17:51
	Yes.	01:17:53
	I would say.	01:17:54
	With collecting 50 citations.	01:17:56
	For that week, we would have 20 citations.	01:17:58
	In court in front of the judge.	01:18:01
	And.	01:18:03
	30 citations for.	01:18:04
	Penalty assessments, which they're just paying the.	01:18:06
	OK. So and I can get that number. They're just, I mean again a clarification you have somebody?	01:18:11
	At a hearing with the judge, not just that's.	01:18:16
	That's say, arguing against this citation person pleading that's 15.	01:18:20
	The case, yes, so that that's 90 a week.	01:18:24
	And that's for six months times.	01:18:28
	24.	01:18:31
	That's almost 2500 citations, 2500 appearances.	01:18:34
	When you're saying you only have 830.	01:18:40
	That this.	01:18:43
	This has been.	01:18:45
	Sent to you.	01:18:46
	So 830.	01:18:48
	But you better test an 90 a week times.	01:18:50
	24.	01:18:53
	That's almost 2300.	01:18:54
	Citations are.	01:18:57
	Appearances.	01:18:58
	So no so out of the 15 scheduled for the day.	01:19:00
	So we have 10, we get 5.	01:19:04
	Or 1715? Well, my question was.	01:19:06
	How many in front of the judges? 15 or 5?	01:19:10
	Well, it just depends on the day. I can't give you that number.	01:19:13
	Today I could get to that number tomorrow.	01:19:16
	But on average it would be at least 10.	01:19:19
	But then again, if you multiply that out.	01:19:23
	Yes, that's.	01:19:26
	Even if it's.	01:19:28
	Yes, and that's whether they're going to pay the fine or not.	01:19:29
	They could request to see the judge and they could still go before the judge.	01:19:32
	I don't see that in the numbers you're showing.	01:19:37
	I don't see the numbers like that.	01:19:39
	OK, if you multiply it out, that's 8.	01:19:41
	Even if it's fifty or.	01:19:44
	A week.	01:19:45
	Times 24 weeks, that's 1011 hundred people that you've seen.	01:19:46
	And there's only a total of 833 citations which.	01:19:50
	Part of her a clerical.	01:19:54
	Yes, so.	01:19:57
	I mean, I could get you the numbers on what we hear a week. Well, I'm just going by the numbers I see that the judge brought.	01:19:58
	Yeah, that's what we've collected. But what we hear in the week is a different count. That's that's the thing I'm saying what is	01:20:04
	the?	01:20:07
	What is the importance of the court other than?	01:20:11
	A clerical and if you send 5A day.	01:20:14
	Of four a day to the Magistrate.	01:20:17
	Is it worth an extra $100,000? That's all I'm saying.	01:20:19
	Tanya.	01:20:24
	You're going to be a celebrity. Come on, come on.	01:20:29
	Yeah, you're on camera too, by the way.	01:20:32
	Are the City Council records.	01:20:38
	I'm not coming here anymore.	01:20:40
	Till next year.	01:20:43
	I forgot what I'm like. OK, so my question is if you.	01:20:44
	Did have two magistrate judges.	01:20:49
	Right.	01:20:53
	Because I.	01:20:56
	Believe you don't have to.	01:20:57
	Like a specific education for that, right?	01:20:59
	You can just run for Magistrate Judge.	01:21:02
	So would you then take?	01:21:04
	A judge that's already.	01:21:07
	Like, oh, I couldn't do that.	01:21:10
	I mean as the officer of the court asking what is that?	01:21:13
	And where would that money?	01:21:16
	It still stayed.	01:21:18
	I mean, if, yeah, that's a totally different, OK.	01:21:22
	How's this? No, no, we couldn't. We wouldn't.	01:21:24
	No. So what's the process? If you wanted to do that, then, well, the Office of the Courts has to decide.	01:21:26
	I think that's what that's what TRC is asking for.	01:21:32
	That's what they're asking for. They went to the Office of the Courts.	01:21:35
	OK. I was just curious what?	01:21:38
	Like the process would be for that. Well, you should know it. That's the DA.	01:21:40
	So it's a fake statute, the process to abolish a court. It's a 35141 and there's.	01:21:43
	Different steps.	01:21:50
	What? The city government?	01:21:52
	Has to do and we created an Advisory Board.	01:21:54
	That was the first step.	01:21:59
	And now we're discussing.	01:22:01
	We're getting to the snow pretty soon.	01:22:04
	And you the.	01:22:07
	Never reached back to our budget so.	01:22:09
	Well, I I under I understand.	01:22:12
	Like that there's a loss of money. So I guess my just question would be.	01:22:14
	If we added another court, where would that money come from Us? Basically what I was saying.	01:22:19
	Thank you. So Mr. Field, so yes and no so.	01:22:26
	He said.	01:22:29
	If it's taken, if it's given to magistrate yet?	01:22:31
	But if you create a hearing.	01:22:33
	Now you have to.	01:22:36
	Create the process.	01:22:37
	Hire somebody to.	01:22:39
	Be there during the committee.	01:22:42
	So there's different avenues that you have to.	01:22:44
	Create.	01:22:47
	Before you can.	01:22:48
	Start this committee unless they've already.	01:22:49
	Started it. I'm not sure.	01:22:51
	Other other napkin.	01:22:52
	Thank you, Mr. Mayor.	01:22:56
	The only thing I wanted to point out.	01:22:58
	Himself on all these cases that you.	01:23:00
	That you.	01:23:03
	When there's a fine.	01:23:05
	Do you?	01:23:06
	Do they pay or can you give them community service?	01:23:07
	So.	01:23:11
	That's another.	01:23:12
	Perhaps, I think.	01:23:14
	A little thing I gave you.	01:23:15
	It explains it so.	01:23:17
	But but the.	01:23:18
	Municipal Judge.	01:23:19
	Message us or or.	01:23:21
	What they can do is somebody comes into court and whether it's whatever it is.	01:23:23
	They can make him pay the fine.	01:23:28
	If they choose not to pay the fine.	01:23:30
	And but we have to give them time to pay the fine.	01:23:33
	And if they?	01:23:37
	They don't pay. The fine at the court is ordered.	01:23:38
	Then the way the judicial system works.	01:23:41
	Now we got to offer community service.	01:23:44
	So we get them in order to do committee service. So if they don't do the community service.	01:23:46
	Now we issue a warrant.	01:23:51
	So once we wish, you issue a warrant.	01:23:53
	Now it's on the hands of the Police Department.	01:23:56
	To put that arrest.	01:23:58
	So we do and then and then the other thing too.	01:24:01
	Is we have to look at.	01:24:04
	Whether if they have mental health issues, we got to look at that also.	01:24:06
	There's a there's a several things.	01:24:09
	I'm just saying, you know, because we are a small town and we do no other, you know, all our people. So sometimes you know that.	01:24:13
	They're not going to be able to afford the $3040 for the citation, so he's going to give them.	01:24:20
	Community service, so that's not going to bring the income.	01:24:25
	Because you're.	01:24:28
	You know you can't put him in jail because it cost me $75 a day.	01:24:29
	But so that makes the fine even.	01:24:34
	Moot.	01:24:37
	That's what you do is well.	01:24:39
	That's why I'm trying to just keep it on the budget. I'm not trying to keep it on the process that's going on in the court. I'm	01:24:43
	just trying to keep it according to the budget and how we're going to just continue the budget if he's not charging.	01:24:48
	But again, I never tell the judge what to do.	01:24:54
	I know, but.	01:24:57
	So and I'll talk to my comment is more on the budget. Mr. Mayor, just go ahead and introduce yourself.	01:24:59
	My name is JC Trujillo.	01:25:04
	And I'm actually on the advisory committee, but I did want to just.	01:25:06
	Point out that.	01:25:10
	When it comes to the budget piece of this.	01:25:12
	The expense or the?	01:25:15
	Cost of its custom city right now.	01:25:18
	Over 10 years is.	01:25:20
	A little under $1,000,000.	01:25:21
	One of the things that.	01:25:24
	Yes, that expense does go away, but it.	01:25:25
	Does appear to be.	01:25:27
	More of a wash because all the penalty assessment and all of that revenue that was coming to the city right now.	01:25:30
	Actually, because it's being assessed by Magistrate Court, it's actually gonna go to the state and the.	01:25:35
	In the AOC, so the city will actually not see that revenue.	01:25:41
	So that postpaid is is there, it's going to essentially be a wash. It's still going to be Ruby was that built into the revenue and	01:25:45
	this?	01:25:48
	Yes. So that's already built into the revenue.	01:25:52
	So the revenue is the 145.	01:25:56
	That the city's transferring and then the Rev. That's part of what the judge said we're getting.	01:25:58
	I think Ruby already put that into the revenue figures.	01:26:03
	So that's not an excess.	01:26:14
	That's figured into this 100 and.	01:26:16
	Disfigured into their money. That's if you look on the bottom here. If you look, you'll see.	01:26:18
	The revenue and you see the expense.	01:26:22
	For 2025 there was 79,000.	01:26:25
	That was expensed.	01:26:27
	And revenue was?	01:26:28
	65,000.	01:26:31
	But the total expense was 144,000.	01:26:32
	Right. But I'm just looking up at the top where it says.	01:26:34
	What actually generated?	01:26:37
	By the court, not with the.	01:26:39
	Contributing, right?	01:26:41
	Was generated by the court and penalty assessments that amount right there.	01:26:42
	That 65,000 a year.	01:26:48
	Is what the city does. That's what it is.	01:26:50
	That's what it broke out. That's what it broke out. As to what?	01:26:52
	Each department and then.	01:26:55
	Don't tell the departments, but we weren't giving it to them.	01:26:58
	But that was the money that came to general fund that.	01:27:03
	He broke out in different sections.	01:27:06
	Animal Control.	01:27:08
	Police, but that added up to the 65 that you're talking about.	01:27:09
	5000, but it is $145,000.	01:27:12
	Correct.	01:27:16
	So yeah, so I'm just trying to point out that it's.	01:27:19
	You're still losing some of the revenue that you're not going to see anymore.	01:27:22
	So.	01:27:24
	It's talking about the same expense.	01:27:25
	Based on on the numbers.	01:27:28
	No, we already OK.	01:27:30
	So the other thing too is.	01:27:32
	Remotely, the Municipal Court and.	01:27:34
	Taking our budget.	01:27:37
	Is this going to put a Band-Aid on the cities of issues so.	01:27:38
	Whatever you do with the money is.	01:27:41
	Up to you and the council members, which is?	01:27:43
	That's your prerogative.	01:27:46
	But the other thing too is.	01:27:48
	My municipal clerk has been here for almost 1213 years.	01:27:51
	So.	01:27:54
	I'm sure that the city is going to be able to.	01:27:56
	Put her somewhere else if you abolish the court.	01:27:58
	But The thing is, now you're not.	01:28:01
	When you put into another position.	01:28:03
	That money is not going away because.	01:28:05
	You have teared as a city employee.	01:28:07
	So you're going to have to put in another.	01:28:09
	So the other key thing too.	01:28:12
	In reference to this budget here.	01:28:14
	Is when we go to building, maintenance, utilities and everything else.	01:28:17
	During the office expenses and stuff.	01:28:21
	So.	01:28:24
	When you decide to move us to the Zimmerli school.	01:28:25
	My belief.	01:28:29
	That building is so huge.	01:28:32
	The cost of heating and cooling.	01:28:35
	Is not going to be compared to what it's going to be.	01:28:37
	This will be under.	01:28:41
	Compared to what's going to be used over there.	01:28:42
	At the at the school.	01:28:44
	So when it comes to building maintenance.	01:28:47
	I'm not sure how the.	01:28:50
	The council members that the city does that, but that's not going away. It's.	01:28:51
	That you're just taking.	01:28:55
	This source.	01:28:57
	To another building. That's all you're doing.	01:28:59
	As for As for the.	01:29:01
	Budget I I understand what you're saying about the budget, but the capital cost of.	01:29:03
	Putting the Municipal Court.	01:29:08
	And then Zimmerly is $1 million.	01:29:09
	And so if you want to just stay at your place and leave that as a shell.	01:29:12
	That'd be fine with me too if if the Municipal Court continues, if that's your comment that it's going to be increased our	01:29:16
	utilities.	01:29:19
	We may have to do that.	01:29:22
	But.	01:29:23
	The capital cost of that whole project is 6,000,000.	01:29:24
	And 1,000,000 of that goes to the Municipal Court.	01:29:27
	To make it into.	01:29:30
	The regular court, so we can we could skip that.	01:29:32
	So. So if you boss the court then you still can't collect that money.	01:29:34
	If we want, if you abolish the court, do you still collect that revenue?	01:29:38
	No, no, no, we don't have that money.	01:29:43
	That that's a money that hope we're hoping to get in phases over 4 years. We just got a million three.	01:29:45
	To put in the HVAC.	01:29:50
	And so we're going to be building it out, but.	01:29:52
	We can leave that empty.	01:29:54
	That that could just continue to be a shell if you don't have the Municipal Court.	01:29:56
	I think so and but.	01:30:00
	Once again, it's.	01:30:02
	$1,000,000.	01:30:03
	It's not, it's not money we already have.	01:30:05
	As money, I have money.	01:30:08
	Then I would decrease the. I would decrease the budget to redo the building.	01:30:10
	Anyone else?	01:30:16
	Well, it's a good discussion. I know it's expensive, but.	01:30:18
	It's an important issue.	01:30:21
	It affects the judge, it affects the city.	01:30:23
	And Donald?	01:30:25
	I'll give you, I'll give you 15 minutes. Go ahead.	01:30:29
	No, Mr. Mayor, I'd just like to point out the final.	01:30:33
	Phase of this process if it moves forward.	01:30:36
	As you said, the committee will meet on Monday.	01:30:39
	Make a recommendation, provide that to the Council.	01:30:42
	That'll be up to the council whether or not to move on.	01:30:45
	That they decide to move on to the final phase with the Supreme Court.	01:30:48
	So it would be up to the spring vote. What's the vote?	01:30:51
	Is it a percentage or is it the number of counselors that are here?	01:30:56
	I will have to double check that.	01:31:00
	But it's 75%.	01:31:02
	Of the people that are here.	01:31:04
	I'll have to double check that.	01:31:06
	Mr. Mayor Partridge.	01:31:08
	Yeah, just the.	01:31:11
	A couple of comments SO.	01:31:12
	Since this issue went on, I've talked to.	01:31:14
	All sides of it, the code enforcement, the animal control.	01:31:16
	Police officers.	01:31:20
	Judge both judges.	01:31:21
	Both. Both judges.	01:31:24
	Looked into some of the things that have gone on were.	01:31:26
	Some of the municipalities have removed the.	01:31:29
	Municipal Court.	01:31:31
	And I I do have a concern that.	01:31:33
	I mean, I don't. I do realize I voted to.	01:31:37
	Begin this process and abolish it.	01:31:39
	But after looking at the extensively I do, I am concerned that.	01:31:41
	If it is cited.	01:31:44
	Of an issue within the city cited into the Magistrate Court.	01:31:47
	He's seeing about 3000 court cases right now.	01:31:51
	But that's not the. That's not the number of.	01:31:55
	Court cases he's seeing it's the.	01:31:58
	Those are.	01:32:00
	Things that the.	01:32:02
	I don't know how many takes care of. I think no.	01:32:03
	This is.	01:32:06
	Judge Felix the better. Three thousand, yes.	01:32:07
	Apologize, let me clarify. So Judge Cedro said that his caseloads about 3000.	01:32:10
	If we're going to send, I don't know the low end 800 over there.	01:32:16
	And we're concerned about there being issues.	01:32:19
	Being addressed within the city or being.	01:32:22
	Taken seriously.	01:32:25
	Regarding, you know, properties or or sounds like animals.	01:32:26
	We get a lot of questions about that. I am a little concerned that they.	01:32:30
	Might not be taking it seriously.	01:32:33
	Not by anything other than being overloaded or not having enough. But again, I want to clarify and that's what I was trying to do	01:32:36
	and maybe the judge and Brittany will give me more information.	01:32:41
	But I was trying to clarify that the out of those 833.	01:32:46
	Are cases that are.	01:32:51
	Paper cases, they're not cases that.	01:32:54
	You know that the code enforcement cited or the animal shelter?	01:32:58
	People or their cases that somebody says are going to argue a.	01:33:02
	A violation?	01:33:07
	So I think that number 833 added to the 3000.	01:33:08
	Is not a number that.	01:33:12
	And I have not spoken to the judge, I haven't spoken to Felix.	01:33:14
	Because I think this is a city matter.	01:33:18
	And the state will have to handle what the city.	01:33:20
	Because we've been dumped on by the state.	01:33:24
	All the time.	01:33:26
	So I'm just saying.	01:33:27
	That's what I'm trying to clarify. What numbers?	01:33:28
	Are actual people coming to court?	01:33:32
	And coming in front of the judge, it's not 833.	01:33:34
	It's not 2013 when it was Chief Winters.	01:33:38
	It's 833.	01:33:42
	Cases that are.	01:33:45
	Perhaps paper cases?	01:33:46
	And that just have to be.	01:33:48
	Set, so that's not.	01:33:49
	Right, but it could it?	01:33:52
	But it could be right if if the.	01:33:55
	Courts at the police officers in the corner Postman officers are citing.	01:33:57
	It could be 800.	01:34:02
	Or it could be 2000.	01:34:03
	It's not impossible that that those numbers.	01:34:05
	I don't know what they're actually going to see.	01:34:08
	Sure. No, I understand and I definitely understand your concern for the budget.	01:34:11
	But I'm just making a statement I.	01:34:15
	My concern again is going to be.	01:34:18
	I don't know their numbers.	01:34:21
	Exact numbers of what?	01:34:23
	Would be dumped on.	01:34:25
	Judge the Vedra. I do not know that. I don't think any of us know that, but.	01:34:27
	In a perfect world.	01:34:32
	If the municipal.	01:34:34
	Court and the administration, everybody worked together.	01:34:36
	I think the municipal.	01:34:40
	Judge, I'm not saying Joseph.	01:34:41
	In particular, or Judge Gutierrez just.	01:34:43
	That seat.	01:34:46
	That judge, that position.	01:34:47
	Not voting to abolish Joseph, just that position.	01:34:49
	Would have more focus on city issues than, say, the magistrate.	01:34:53
	That's just how I feel about it.	01:34:56
	I don't mind.	01:34:58
	And just to let the public know.	01:35:01
	Because we're still in public hearing.	01:35:03
	The reason this started is that the state.	01:35:05
	Legislature.	01:35:08
	Gave the cities less than 10,000.	01:35:10
	Was it 1000?	01:35:14
	The ability to do this.	01:35:16
	Otherwise, we will not be able to do this.	01:35:18
	So the in 2023.	01:35:21
	The state legislature passed a bill.	01:35:23
	That said, municipal courts can be.	01:35:25
	Eliminated.	01:35:28
	By municipalities.	01:35:29
	Less than 10,000.	01:35:31
	That's how this all started.	01:35:33
	One more question.	01:35:36
	Question Sumner.	01:35:37
	Did you hear anything from the tier C area when they abolished it that?	01:35:39
	And what did you hear on your end? What I I have a copy of the hearing.	01:35:43
	But now I hear subsequently and I think Judge Gutierrez talked to them and.	01:35:49
	I know Chris talked to them.	01:35:53
	They're a little unhappy with that they.	01:35:55
	Blaster, Municipal Judge.	01:35:57
	So they are inhabitants, but.	01:35:59
	The cases.	01:36:02
	They're not going to try to bring the municipal judge back.	01:36:03
	They're going to talk to the Office of the Courts.	01:36:06
	To try to get another magistrate to hear those cases.	01:36:08
	In my opinion, that's.	01:36:12
	Part of the state's.	01:36:14
	Anyway, shall we go out of?	01:36:16
	One more quick.	01:36:19
	So what I'm hearing is.	01:36:26
	Basically, uh.	01:36:29
	The city.	01:36:30
	Doesn't really.	01:36:31
	Find value in the money necessarily that they're spending for Municipal Court.	01:36:33
	Ministration, not the city administration.	01:36:38
	OK, I want to separate that from the Council because they haven't made that decision.	01:36:40
	3 branches of government got it. But but when they talked about the pool, you know, we were talking about yes, we felt that the	01:36:43
	value even though we were having a deficit.	01:36:47
	And if we eliminate the Municipal Court?	01:36:51
	Or, if I'm sorry, the administration decides to.	01:36:54
	Let me ask you this report, we are now shifting the cost of whatever those cases are over the state. We're basically saying the	01:36:56
	state.	01:37:00
	You take **** you pay for it because.	01:37:03
	We're too small, we don't have enough tax revenue to.	01:37:06
	To support this court.	01:37:10
	But another possibility just.	01:37:12
	In case.	01:37:15
	You know, Joel and everybody's concerns gets met and they say.	01:37:17
	No, we want to keep the Municipal Court.	01:37:21
	Is it possible?	01:37:23
	To go to the state.	01:37:24
	And ask, but I don't know what the budget streams are. I don't know how you would do this. I don't because there's all these	01:37:26
	different ways of asking the state for money.	01:37:31
	Is it possible to go to the state and say?	01:37:35
	You know, people have decided we want to keep the Municipal Court.	01:37:38
	Is there any way that the state help us because otherwise.	01:37:42
	You might be in such a big emphasis that you're.	01:37:45
	The state would basically ask for more money.	01:37:48
	The state will not give us operating money.	01:37:51
	The state only makes.	01:37:54
	State appropriations for capital projects.	01:37:57
	They're not going to give us operating money that they subsidized the city budget.	01:38:00
	They don't do that.	01:38:04
	The other thing the state did do and the judge can.	01:38:05
	Testify to that they took away a fee.	01:38:08
	That the city was getting.	01:38:11
	And I'm not sure how much that was, Judge, was it?	01:38:12
	$10.00 or $20.	01:38:15
	Per case.	01:38:16
	In the past before July 1st.	01:38:19
	When a citation was written.	01:38:21
	$29.00 of that have to go to the state.	01:38:23
	So they passed the legislative.	01:38:26
	A while now that.	01:38:28
	The court.	01:38:30
	The fee is no longer going to the state.	01:38:32
	That the cities can now.	01:38:34
	Take on the the whole cost like.	01:38:37
	The revenue goes to the city.	01:38:39
	So we just.	01:38:41
	Started seeing that July 1st.	01:38:42
	So there might be a difference in the.	01:38:44
	Coming up.	01:38:46
	In the next 4 years if.	01:38:47
	Propositions don't feel.	01:38:49
	But in the past, $29.00 always went to.	01:38:51
	OK, but it's so it's so it's possible that the the.	01:38:54
	Not that the.	01:38:58
	Not but well if we wanted the Municipal Court to be a self supporting.	01:38:59
	Entity in a sense.	01:39:03
	Administrative fees could be given to the city, but that has to be legislated.	01:39:05
	Hey, I mean we could keep extra.	01:39:09
	Fears, but they won't let us just.	01:39:13
	Impose fees to collect for the city.	01:39:15
	The state has their hands on that.	01:39:17
	OK. And that's what I meant by they take stuff away from us.	01:39:20
	OK, they don't give us anything in return to be able to handle it.	01:39:23
	Well, that seems unfair. Maybe we should all write letters to our legislators and say change that.	01:39:26
	OK, I'm done.	01:39:31
	I'll give you their names.	01:39:32
	That means it probably won't give me an appropriation for another 10 years.	01:39:35
	Because they get very personal.	01:39:39
	Anyway, shall we go to A?	01:39:41
	I'd like to make a motion we leave public hearing.	01:39:43
	A second move to second, all in favor.	01:39:48
	OK, we're going to have the.	01:39:50
	The response from the committee.	01:39:52
	And then October 7th will.	01:39:55
	Have that presentation, OK, since there's going to be so much snow in this city.	01:39:58
	We have got finally.	01:40:02
	Hangers to put our stuff in there.	01:40:04
	What's that about?	01:40:06
	Donald Sikora Municipal Airport Layout.	01:40:07
	Plan. Yes Sir, it's the Municipal Airport layout plan.	01:40:10
	I forgot how often, how often but.	01:40:14
	It has to be updated and.	01:40:17
	Traffic counts and estimates submitted to.	01:40:18
	For the future of the airport.	01:40:22
	All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the Council.	01:40:26
	We're not quite to the snow yet so but.	01:40:29
	I'll make this quick because that's my last name.	01:40:32
	Thank you. So my name is Matt Quick with Kaufman Associates. With me tonight is Allison Hewlett.	01:40:34
	And we've.	01:40:39
	Been a part of this.	01:40:40
	Airport layout plan update with narrative report for the Sakura Municipal Report over the course of the past year plus.	01:40:41
	We've come alongside and worked in association with Molson Corbin, who's the on call engineer of record for the airport.	01:40:47
	I just wanted to provide you guys a brief update as it relates to the ALP narrative and kind of the purpose of that and then the	01:40:54
	key findings.	01:40:57
	As you may know, the Federal Aviation Administration, or the FAA has oversight of all airports and aviation across the United	01:41:02
	States.	01:41:06
	They recommend that airports update their Alps on a.	01:41:11
	Pretty regular basis just to.	01:41:15
	Get a better sense of what's going on at the airport, as well as helping to chart the course for the future development of the	01:41:17
	airport. So that's what this study is about. It's a visioning document.	01:41:22
	It outlines a lot of different projects that could take place at the airport over the course of the next several years.	01:41:27
	We've forecasted aviation demand over the next 20 years.	01:41:34
	At the airport.	01:41:38
	When we talk about Socorro Municipal Airport.	01:41:40
	And the types of aviation activity we're looking at the number of based aircraft.	01:41:42
	And then the number of annual aircraft operations. So that's kind of the key.	01:41:47
	Point and key focus of this.	01:41:52
	ALP update with narrative report.	01:41:53
	We started this study.	01:41:56
	You can actually.	01:41:57
	I'm sorry. You can advance the slides. We've got a few things here. One more.	01:41:58
	Yeah, this talks about kind of the purpose of the ALP and I've already hit on a lot of this just looking at addressing aviation	01:42:02
	demand, the number based aircraft, the number of operations.	01:42:06
	Another key piece of this study is helping to.	01:42:11
	Prepare a list of.	01:42:14
	Projects that could occur at the airport over the next several years, the importance of that is.	01:42:15
	Every year, the city.	01:42:20
	Works in conjunction with the Federal Aviation Administration as well as the New Mexico Department of Transportation's Aviation	01:42:21
	Division.	01:42:25
	And coming up with a list of projects that would be needed to help support the the development of the airport. Make sure the	01:42:28
	airport is maintaining safety design standards. Make sure the airport is maintaining its airfield pavements to accommodate	01:42:33
	aircraft operations.	01:42:37
	Things such as that so.	01:42:42
	We've outlined a lot of activity in in this ALP update with Narrative.	01:42:44
	That looks to help chart the course for the future development of the airport.	01:42:48
	The next slide.	01:42:52
	Talks a little bit about the process we came alongside.	01:42:54
	The city back in late 2023 to start this process, we kind of split it into 3 phases.	01:42:57
	One of the first phases we.	01:43:03
	We look at.	01:43:05
	Forecast the number based aircraft, the number of operations, Allison's going to talk a little bit more about that here in a	01:43:06
	minute. But we've taken that activity and translated that into facility needs and come up with different alternative layouts for	01:43:10
	the future of the airport and then.	01:43:15
	The final phase is kind of bringing all that together for a recommended development concept and then.	01:43:19
	Helping with the development of that capital program, so.	01:43:24
	We're over on the far right hand side of the screen that you see. We're in the.	01:43:27
	Approval process the airport layout plan drawing set or that ALP.	01:43:31
	Has been coordinated with the Federal Aviation Administration and the New Mexico Department of Transportation Aviation Division.	01:43:36
	It's currently under review.	01:43:40
	The importance of that AOP is anytime the city wants to pursue grant funding assistance through the FAA or the state.	01:43:44
	Those projects need to show up on that ALP.	01:43:51
	So, as a part of this study.	01:43:53
	We have updated that AOP, which has been several years old, to incorporate some of these new projects and then we'll be.	01:43:55
	Looking to get FAA approval on that ALP here, hopefully in the coming weeks.	01:44:01
	With that being said, I just want to hand it over to Allison for a few minutes. She's going to talk about a few of the highlights	01:44:05
	and we'll be.	01:44:08
	Happy to help answer any questions or comments you guys have, so thanks for your time.	01:44:11
	You can advance to the next slide.	01:44:21
	Hello everyone. I'm Allison Villa, also with Kauffman Associates, and I helped prepare this study so real quickly. Some of the key	01:44:23
	outcomes that we had.	01:44:28
	When I'm looking at creating this document is.	01:44:33
	Getting a updated aviation demand forecast.	01:44:36
	This is one of two things that is submitted to the FAA.	01:44:40
	And so essentially we created a chapter that looked at the potential operations in these aircraft at the airport.	01:44:45
	In this chapter, we looked at identifying the critical aircraft for each runway at.	01:44:53
	Sakura Municipal Air.	01:44:59
	From there.	01:45:02
	He looked at outlining a variety of projects that would be both safety related and demand driven and what that could look like and	01:45:03
	that really.	01:45:07
	Was the creation of our recommended development concept, which we'll talk about later in the presentation.	01:45:12
	Then we moved into the capital improvement program.	01:45:19
	Which really took those projects that are outlined in the recommended development concept.	01:45:23
	And prioritize them in.	01:45:27
	As well as provided cost estimates and funding.	01:45:30
	Breakdowns for each individual.	01:45:33
	And project and ultimately this led to the culmination.	01:45:36
	Of the airport layout plan and this is the final piece.	01:45:40
	That is submitted to the FAA and was ultimately.	01:45:45
	Ultimately submitted in late July.	01:45:48
	Next slide, please.	01:45:51
	So.	01:45:53
	As mentioned previously, one of our primary goals was to create forecasts for the airport.	01:45:54
	And if you look at the screen, you'll notice that we did a base year of 2023.	01:46:01
	And we mapped out a 20 year planning horizon.	01:46:08
	You'll notice that there's.	01:46:13
	Modest growth in both.	01:46:14
	Based aircraft as well as your.	01:46:16
	Annual operations, so.	01:46:19
	What we're really seeing here is there's.	01:46:23
	Pretty steady, consistent growth.	01:46:26
	In the single engine aircraft.	01:46:28
	As well as the introduction of turboprops.	01:46:31
	And jets, later on in your planning horizon.	01:46:34
	And so we get.	01:46:37
	A increase of.	01:46:39
	10 aircraft that are based at the airport.	01:46:41
	Over that 20 year period.	01:46:43
	As far as annual operations, we derive this.	01:46:45
	From what?	01:46:50
	Is called the Terminal Area Forecast.	01:46:50
	This is something that the FAA puts out.	01:46:53
	We looked at what they had put out for support and.	01:46:55
	Municipal Airport.	01:46:59
	And then calculated what we thought would be a.	01:47:00
	Realistic forecasts for the airport in that 20 year planning period.	01:47:04
	And so we start with four 600 operations and steadily grow to 6200.	01:47:08
	In that 20 year.	01:47:14
	And so forecasts were submitted to the FAA and they have been approved as of last August.	01:47:16
	All right. So the second main component of your forecast chapter is a critical aircraft determination.	01:47:25
	We did this for both runways at Sapporo.	01:47:33
	And essentially we.	01:47:36
	Looked at.	01:47:39
	What is the most demanding?	01:47:40
	Aircraft that makes regular use of the airport.	01:47:43
	And from that?	01:47:47
	We were able to identify the.	01:47:48
	Aircraft you see on the screen.	01:47:52
	And so essentially, this is extremely important when you're thinking through planning design standards.	01:47:53
	Because from those aircraft we then.	01:47:59
	Are able to figure out what type of aircraft group they're in.	01:48:02
	And we were able to identify a runway design code.	01:48:05
	Which ultimately led to us setting.	01:48:10
	Planning.	01:48:16
	Standard for the long term planning period.	01:48:17
	All right, So what you see on the screen is the.	01:48:23
	Recommended development concept. This is essentially the.	01:48:27
	Culmination of the various projects we thought.	01:48:31
	And could be outlined over this long term planning period.	01:48:34
	And just some of the improvements.	01:48:38
	That we looked at.	01:48:41
	Were related to safety and so you'll see there's.	01:48:42
	Clearing and grading of safety areas such as the runway safety area, the runway object free area.	01:48:46
	Associated with your primary runway 1533.	01:48:52
	We also.	01:48:56
	Looked at.	01:48:58
	Acquiring.	01:49:00
	Land or.	01:49:01
	Either obtaining an easement and your runway protection zones that are associated.	01:49:02
	With that primary runway.	01:49:07
	There were some demand driven projects that were put on this exhibit.	01:49:09
	As well as.	01:49:14
	Some parcels of land on the eastern side of the airport that have been slated.	01:49:16
	For the potential for non aeronautical use as well as an aviation.	01:49:20
	Next slide, please.	01:49:26
	So from those projects, we then developed a capital.	01:49:29
	Improvement program and this is really important because the study itself.	01:49:34
	Is supposed to be.	01:49:38
	A living document. This is something that we want.	01:49:40
	The airport and the airport sponsor to be able to go back to and reference for guidance on.	01:49:43
	Things that they can program into their.	01:49:48
	Budget on an annual basis and so.	01:49:51
	That was the intent of this capital improvement program.	01:49:54
	And we split it up into three different phases.	01:49:57
	The first of which is the short term planning phase.	01:50:01
	This accounts for your next five years of projects.	01:50:04
	Yes.	01:50:08
	And essentially.	01:50:12
	Is related to safety related issues and projects that we thought.	01:50:14
	Would have higher chances of funding eligible.	01:50:19
	Based off of.	01:50:22
	Various inputs and so.	01:50:23
	You'll notice again we've got clearing of the safety areas.	01:50:26
	We also have.	01:50:30
	Some mitigating points for direct access issues.	01:50:33
	As well as pulling back runway thresholds.	01:50:37
	To eliminate taxiway lead in to runway pavement.	01:50:39
	The next phase of the project.	01:50:44
	Next slide.	01:50:47
	Is the intermediate term.	01:50:49
	And this is your 6 to 10 year?	01:50:51
	Time frame and.	01:50:54
	Here we focused on a variety of things.	01:50:56
	Such as?	01:51:00
	Constructing jet A fuel storage currently the airport only has 100 low lead fuel and so.	01:51:01
	This would be constructed with the idea of diversifying.	01:51:08
	Fuel held at the airport.	01:51:13
	You'll notice that there's some green pavement area this is.	01:51:15
	With the shown with the intent of constructing taxi names.	01:51:20
	As well as aprons.	01:51:25
	So that they can later serve.	01:51:26
	For a future hangar development.	01:51:28
	And then lastly.	01:51:30
	We have the long term.	01:51:32
	CIP Phase.	01:51:35
	And this really focuses on the idea of a runway extension.	01:51:37
	And so you'll notice that a lot of the projects that are highlighted.	01:51:43
	Here are associated.	01:51:46
	With the idea of extending runway 15.	01:51:48
	And what different improvements would look like if that were to happen?	01:51:51
	And something that I'd like to drive home is this is a point in time analysis.	01:51:56
	We understand that priorities can and will change.	01:52:01
	So again, this is just.	01:52:05
	Meant to be used as guidance for the airport. It's not meant to tell them.	01:52:06
	When to program certain projects during certain fiscal years? That is up to the airport's discretion and.	01:52:11
	So here you'll see cost totals as part of the capital improvement program.	01:52:21
	Mosen Corbin provided us with cost estimates.	01:52:27
	And we then looked at the funding breakdown.	01:52:30
	So you'll notice for.	01:52:34
	All the projects combined.	01:52:35
	It's about a 16.9 million total cost.	01:52:38
	Of which the federal share would be accounted for 14.1 million.	01:52:42
	And the airport.	01:52:47
	A sponsor would be held accountable for over.	01:52:49
	800,000.	01:52:52
	So as I mentioned before.	01:52:56
	The airport layout drawing is one piece of the.	01:52:59
	Overall airport layout planning set.	01:53:03
	And this is really the bread and butter of your study.	01:53:06
	It is the technical drawing of a recommended development concept.	01:53:09
	It's ultimately what is submitted to the FAA for their approval.	01:53:14
	And essentially this is super important.	01:53:19
	For airports to update.	01:53:21
	Every 7 to 10 years because you want.	01:53:23
	Projects on there to be eligible for federal funding.	01:53:25
	And so it's really a way for the airport to prepare in advance.	01:53:29
	For various projects that they might want to integrate onto the airport reconstruct in the long term.	01:53:34
	Planning process.	01:53:40
	So as far as next steps we have taken.	01:53:44
	The study for the Council for potential approval.	01:53:48
	We also still need to obtain the ALP.	01:53:52
	Airport layout plan drawings that approval from the FAA but as.	01:53:56
	We've mentioned that has been submitted and we hope to get it soon.	01:54:00
	And then lastly.	01:54:05
	Once this plan has been approved and is in place.	01:54:07
	It is up to the airport and their sponsor, in this case, the city.	01:54:11
	To go through their annual budget and figure out where they can start programming.	01:54:15
	Projects outlined within.	01:54:20
	If you guys have any questions.	01:54:25
	Can you go back to the?	01:54:27
	Slide where the airport.	01:54:29
	You know, we talked about.	01:54:33
	That empty piece of land, is that still?	01:54:35
	Has that been able to be?	01:54:38
	To exclude it out of the airport plan.	01:54:39
	So that was your request. We heard it on the first. So we've got 2 areas there.	01:54:42
	So if you see the yellow, this is slated out for non arrow as well as this portion there.	01:54:47
	And that's excluded out of the.	01:54:56
	Out of the airport property.	01:54:59
	OK, in order to do that, you'll first need to get with. Sorry.	01:55:03
	The FAA and the airport.	01:55:08
	And you guys will need to start meeting with the FAA and essentially you'll either need to go through a land use change process,	01:55:10
	which would be mean that you're keeping that parcel of land.	01:55:16
	Still on airport property, but you're changing the land use and the intent.	01:55:22
	Of that parcel or you'll go through a land use release.	01:55:27
	And essentially.	01:55:32
	Exclude that property out from. At this time, it's not designated. It has not.	01:55:33
	No, that does not come out of the airport study. We're gonna do that.	01:55:38
	We've had meetings before, I think, Donald, we've had meetings with your FAA program manager, Sarah Young about excluding that	01:55:43
	piece of land.	01:55:47
	And getting that long term lease and so that now is?	01:55:52
	Between the city and the FAA.	01:55:55
	And Mr.	01:55:57
	Earlier this year.	01:55:59
	Leader Leader of last year.	01:56:00
	But we met with the FAA because they said we could cut out that piece of plant. They said they don't do that anymore, they just	01:56:02
	redesignated as non aeronautical.	01:56:06
	We have to. We're going to request it now.	01:56:10
	I believe so.	01:56:13
	I mean, let's say UPS or some other shipping company wanted to come in there.	01:56:14
	And expand. We have a little UPS station there.	01:56:17
	And they wanted a bigger piece of land to be able to.	01:56:21
	You know, so we'd have to then request from an FAA to.	01:56:23
	Approve that, Yeah, Mr. Mayor, the first step in that process is.	01:56:27
	Getting it on the ALP.	01:56:31
	And that's what this study that's what I'm asking it is on the draft LP that is being that has been submitted to the FA for review	01:56:32
	is.	01:56:36
	Correct. Yeah, it's on there right now pending ALP approval from the FAA.	01:56:43
	And like Donald had mentioned, you'll.	01:56:47
	Continue those conversations and seek a land use designation change or a land release depending on one of your.	01:56:49
	Whether you want to lease the property or sell the property.	01:56:55
	And then you can move forward with non aeronautical activity.	01:56:58
	And if we lease the land, we have to get the approval of the FAA?	01:57:00
	OK. And that budget?	01:57:05
	Thing when do we have to pledge? Is that the 5%? Is that 5%?	01:57:07
	Everybody relax. You're committed to that.	01:57:16
	Needs based master plan.	01:57:24
	If we're going to extend the runway in year 2035.	01:57:26
	We're not going to do that.	01:57:30
	Unless the 2035 you've got.	01:57:32
	Your global express line in your 500.	01:57:34
	Well, everything on here is based on me.	01:57:38
	But.	01:57:41
	Money.	01:57:50
	And then the last five percent is 90% of that is the state and 10% of that is years, so.	01:57:51
	You're spending a few $100.	01:57:58
	But that's 5% of the 4 million.	01:58:00
	There.	01:58:04
	So that would be between 90% of that 5% generally.	01:58:08
	1% of what's left of that is.	01:58:14
	Of the airport sponsor.	01:58:17
	Yeah, OK, Mr. Mayor, the way that's broken out on this, it's not a clean 90%, ten percent, 5%.	01:58:19
	Because some of the projects that we do show in the CIP aren't necessarily eligible.	01:58:26
	For FA or state funding assistance, I don't plan to be here when you do all this anyways.	01:58:30
	Well, Mr.	01:58:37
	The FAA is switches.	01:58:43
	Between 9:00 and what, 97? Yeah.	01:58:45
	That's what I want.	01:58:47
	Mr. Fleming.	01:58:48
	This page and it says.	01:58:52
	Aviation demand for.	01:58:55
	Who determined that?	01:58:59
	So that was a part of the forecast chapter that you're talking about?	01:59:02
	And again, when we look at demand, we're looking at.	01:59:05
	What's being justified at the airport based upon historical activity as well as the potential?	01:59:09
	For future activity with what's happening.	01:59:15
	Locally, from a socioeconomic and demographic standpoint, as well as what's happening regionally and nationally in the aviation	01:59:17
	system.	01:59:20
	Because I see nothing.	01:59:24
	Or have heard nothing.	01:59:26
	About all the touch and goes that the Air Force does.	01:59:29
	I don't see anything.	01:59:34
	Dealing with air ambulance service.	01:59:36
	And there's multiple.	01:59:39
	Yeah, that that information, 24 hour period.	01:59:41
	So.	01:59:45
	So there's no airport traffic control tower at the airport. So we had to use FAA forecasting as a baseline for the study. That's	01:59:47
	where we came up with the 4600 operations.	01:59:52
	Those account for general aviation activity.	01:59:58
	As well as their taxi.	02:00:01
	The air medical flights and things like that would be included in that number.	02:00:02
	And then we provided forecasting out over the next 20 years that could accommodate that.	02:00:06
	The military is a little different.	02:00:11
	The information that we were able to glean from the FAA does not.	02:00:13
	Show military activity.	02:00:16
	And quite frankly, a study such as this.	02:00:18
	The projects that we list.	02:00:20
	The military activity wouldn't make those projects eligible anyway because the FAA doesn't fund other federal lines of business.	02:00:23
	So I don't want to diminish.	02:00:30
	The military activity that occurs.	02:00:32
	But we just didn't have access to any of those.	02:00:34
	Records because nothing showed up in the databases that we were able to have access to from the FAA.	02:00:37
	And you didn't have access to when they used.	02:00:41
	Our airport for the firefighting.	02:00:45
	Saw fire on the Western.	02:00:48
	New Mexico and most of the.	02:00:51
	Eastern part of Arizona.	02:00:53
	Again, those numbers could be built into the forecast, as we show.	02:00:55
	To your point.	02:01:01
	The demand forecasting and the justification on that, that would account for different segments that general aviation.	02:01:02
	Aerial firefighting would be one of those. So you could account for that in the increased operations. We're showing an overall	02:01:09
	increase in activity at the airport over the next 20 years and a lot of that can account for some of those specialty operations	02:01:13
	with firefighting.	02:01:17
	Air medical, air taxi, things such as that.	02:01:22
	Airport, Santa Fe and all the others that have. We had all of the Super scoopers in the world.	02:01:25
	And one point in time.	02:01:30
	But one of the things that would.	02:01:32
	Man does it is forecasting now.	02:01:35
	We have what we call a design. It was a normal day. Look like here these go. It's a busy day, so that could be like here.	02:01:37
	Used to be.	02:01:43
	Yeah.	02:01:44
	Yeah, the peaking characteristics at the bottom outline that and we build our facility needs.	02:01:47
	Based upon some of those peaking characteristics, so.	02:01:52
	The FAA typically doesn't like to design. You know, if you build it, they will come.	02:01:55
	That they typically want to see a standard design day but.	02:01:59
	Do understand that there are some peaking characteristics that can help drive that and we took that into consideration our	02:02:03
	facility needs assessment.	02:02:06
	Putting probably four or five, six wings on the ground every day.	02:02:10
	Heading to Albuquerque, OR.	02:02:17
	West, TX.	02:02:20
	So I'm going to try to make you feel better about this dude.	02:02:21
	What's important about those numbers to me as a civil engineer?	02:02:24
	This is how thick I designed.	02:02:27
	And I've got OK.	02:02:29
	We use that.	02:02:31
	Yeah. So I just make sure that your payments get.	02:02:32
	But you know, in 20 years if it's.	02:02:35
	Turns into Tesla flights.	02:02:37
	It's going to be, it's going to be crazy. I think air travel is going to change.	02:02:40
	Yes, wrong types of things and.	02:02:44
	Something is going to change. Yeah, that's.	02:02:46
	Talked about as advanced air mobility, which is exactly what you're talking about, Mr. Mayor, and.	02:02:49
	That's a it's a segment of aviation that's kind of on the cusp. We don't know what that's going to look like in the future. The	02:02:54
	FAA doesn't know what that's going to look like in the future, but it is something to account for.	02:02:59
	And how much were you folks involved in the air racing?	02:03:03
	That was over and had been moved to New Mexico.	02:03:09
	Was not involved in that activity. I've been to the area when they were in Reno, but I didn't make it over to Roswell this year.	02:03:12
	You know, work to put on taxiways through the project and some of the others.	02:03:20
	Because yeah, they.	02:03:25
	Really wanted access to the North End of the missile range to cut.	02:03:26
	So they didn't have to go so far.	02:03:31
	North.	02:03:33
	A lot of people coming in from.	02:03:34
	At the previous locations, so accept the plan.	02:03:37
	Make a motion.	02:03:42
	Motion seconded.	02:03:43
	Except the airport.	02:03:45
	Plan all in favor.	02:03:47
	Aye, thank you again for.	02:03:49
	Sitting through our meeting to make this presentation.	02:03:51
	Thank you.	02:03:55
	Now we can talk about snow.	02:03:56
	The snow. We want the snow cover.	02:03:58
	It's so heavy.	02:04:01
	Snow removal equipment building grant agreement.	02:04:03
	What is that?	02:04:06
	That is the agreement we need to sign because it's due tomorrow.	02:04:08
	And it's.	02:04:12
	It's the funding for the snow removal equipment building.	02:04:14
	That's a million one.	02:04:17
	So the total construction after it was advertised forbid came out to be around.	02:04:21
	600,000.	02:04:28
	692,793.	02:04:30
	Let me get them to approve the agreement.	02:04:33
	I have a motion to approve the agreement.	02:04:37
	One second put the second discussion all in favor.	02:04:40
	Aye.	02:04:44
	For efficient removal equipment building grant agreement.	02:04:45
	Signatory authority.	02:04:49
	Is that the one you're talking about? Yes, Sir.	02:04:50
	What do you think of that?	02:04:53
	That's to allow you to sign the agreement that was just approved.	02:04:54
	I so move.	02:04:59
	I still move. Seconded.	02:05:00
	All in favor.	02:05:02
	And then?	02:05:04
	I just got to say this. I know you people know this, but that's due at FA tomorrow. Yes, Sir.	02:05:07
	Donald, Donald, we've already made arrangements with the.	02:05:12
	To be standing by tomorrow.	02:05:16
	Well keep this. If these keep this meeting going, we may get to tomorrow.	02:05:18
	How about how about build a bid award then?	02:05:24
	Polo.	02:05:28
	OK. We, we had six bids.	02:05:31
	Opened.	02:05:34
	On August 26th.	02:05:36
	Leo is here, and Vince.	02:05:38
	And uh.	02:05:40
	Our low bed was Exp New Mexico LLC.	02:05:42
	644,000.	02:05:45
	$84.17.	02:05:48
	And the person that runs that company kind of got Socorro ties. It's Larry Perry Junior.	02:05:51
	So I.	02:05:57
	Both incorporate and myself. We recommend the.	02:06:01
	They'd be awarded to Exp.	02:06:04
	And if you never heard of APX, who I've never heard of.	02:06:06
	They're pretty good sized contractors. They're building the new terminal building at Clovis right now, OK.	02:06:09
	Anybody wanna accept it?	02:06:15
	Moved and seconded.	02:06:21
	All in favor, aye?	02:06:24
	The XP right there.	02:06:25
	Are you? Are you Exp?	02:06:29
	Is there a meeting going on over there?	02:06:31
	Is there? Can you tell me who the gentleman is? Is you going to shoot us?	02:06:34
	Good evening, Mayor.	02:06:40
	Team, my name is Josh Campaign.	02:06:46
	Senior project manager quality assurance Quality control for.	02:06:48
	EPX Construction.	02:06:52
	Just present to say.	02:06:54
	Thank you for the opportunity. We're super excited.	02:06:56
	Well, my son graduated from tech, made his home here.	02:06:58
	Oh.	02:07:03
	Thank you so much for entrusting us with us and.	02:07:05
	Really looking forward to it.	02:07:07
	What's your What's your timeline?	02:07:09
	Right away.	02:07:12
	Get that thing done in just a few months.	02:07:12
	Then few months. OK, great. Thank you. Thank you.	02:07:15
	Thanks for coming to our meeting.	02:07:18
	I appreciate it. And then and then Paula, what's the other building that we're, is that already?	02:07:19
	Happening.	02:07:25
	The building building.	02:07:26
	The Hanger building.	02:07:28
	I I.	02:07:30
	I know Richardson and Richardson's.	02:07:32
	Working on it so.	02:07:34
	Well, it's supposed to be getting cut right now.	02:07:35
	So you guys talk to them at all?	02:07:39
	Yeah, so.	02:07:41
	The handler is.	02:07:44
	I see it's a different thing.	02:07:46
	OK.	02:07:48
	OK, OK, I got you.	02:07:50
	Well, thank you again for sitting through the bill and.	02:07:52
	Meeting, we appreciate it.	02:07:54
	So all right, that's done new business.	02:07:56
	And our department directors are all out there if anybody wants to get up and.	02:08:00
	Say something.	02:08:05
	Steve Oh, Mr.	02:08:06
	Partridge.	02:08:10
	Just an update on a.	02:08:11
	Committee meeting, we had the planning and zoning committee.	02:08:12
	Myself.	02:08:15
	Counselor Dean.	02:08:16
	Chris and and.	02:08:18
	Christy met and.	02:08:21
	Just working on.	02:08:23
	Revive looking at ways to.	02:08:24
	Update the map that's a little bit blurry and find that.	02:08:26
	Trying to get creative ways to.	02:08:29
	Look at the making the map more clear of Socorro and.	02:08:31
	Some sort of light document?	02:08:35
	That we can possibly have so when people come to town.	02:08:36
	Or want to look up to coral?	02:08:39
	Look at the the streets are.	02:08:41
	Kind of skewed in there.	02:08:43
	Talked about that and then just some of the.	02:08:44
	Enforcement.	02:08:47
	You know Chris is only with and Christian only with and some other.	02:08:48
	In their departments.	02:08:52
	Is a productive meeting. We are meeting. I know you love committees, but we are.	02:08:54
	And trying to solve some stuff.	02:08:57
	Good deal, good deal.	02:08:59
	And we had a big event this weekend, Steve. I know we've gotten money.	02:09:02
	Hello you want any comments or?	02:09:07
	They work very hard.	02:09:11
	So we did get a, we did get a grant to do a housing.	02:09:15
	You might tell me, you know what's going on there.	02:09:21
	So Gwen had applied for a grant.	02:09:25
	Through thriving communities and we've been working with them for the past.	02:09:28
	Year and we will be doing the housing study with.	02:09:33
	Roots.	02:09:36
	They were awarded the grant money and they will cover actually the.	02:09:40
	City and the county for feasibility of housing.	02:09:45
	So whenever we did the proposal request, we asked for the city of Socorro, but they actually.	02:09:48
	Quoted us with the with the county as well so.	02:09:54
	The housing studio cover all.	02:09:57
	And Chief Bracco, have you got anything?	02:09:59
	You you're fully staffed now.	02:10:03
	Yeah, right now we.	02:10:06
	You've been ready to go, Polo. So good.	02:10:15
	We're fully staffed right now. Well, thanks to you guys in the county for working together to get the three people.	02:10:19
	Three extra people. Is that coming up?	02:10:24
	We signed it.	02:10:28
	It's done. So yeah, we're fully staffed.	02:10:33
	You always just got to get them certified.	02:10:36
	We're working on that. They're currently in a in a basic NT class now.	02:10:38
	Held here in Socorro.	02:10:41
	And then we'll just get fully certified and move on.	02:10:43
	We're busy.	02:10:47
	You know, we got, we got one of our new ambulances in.	02:10:49
	So that that's good. And we're still waiting on one more. That's that's.	02:10:51
	Pushed out till January.	02:10:55
	So we're waiting on that other one. We have one of our analysts down that's in Albuquerque.	02:10:58
	Unfortunately, they can't figure well they figured out what was wrong with it.	02:11:02
	But they don't have a fix where it's a recall.	02:11:05
	But they don't have a fix for it. So basically we have to sit and wait.	02:11:07
	Until they come up with a solution.	02:11:10
	So hopefully nothing else goes wrong.	02:11:13
	Say that again, is it new?	02:11:16
	No, it's one of our older ambulances.	02:11:18
	But we can't afford for another one to go down because.	02:11:19
	But yeah, we're, you know, guys are busy. They're doing a great job.	02:11:22
	Of, you know, doing a lot of.	02:11:26
	Rodeo stand by is, you know, all that other stuff going on. We got fire prevention coming up.	02:11:29
	So we're going to be busy, but.	02:11:33
	The guys are doing a great job.	02:11:35
	Great. Thank you.	02:11:37
	Assistant Chief Greenwood, anything from the Police Department.	02:11:38
	I don't have anything.	02:11:42
	And don't you have?	02:11:44
	So you guys got your cars yet or?	02:11:46
	Not that I'm aware of. I think he's made a few phone calls to see if you can locate somebody on order.	02:11:49
	We had our paint party over the weekend.	02:12:05
	It went well, everybody had fun.	02:12:08
	Have you got any other events coming up?	02:12:11
	Not right at this.	02:12:13
	Moment No.	02:12:14
	And Vegeta is going OK.	02:12:15
	Oh yeah, everything's going good over there, yes.	02:12:16
	And then they could fix the septic tank.	02:12:19
	She's writing the report now and then she's going to make the recommendations that we need for that septic unit.	02:12:22
	Are you going to pay for it or the county?	02:12:27
	I have no idea.	02:12:29
	Donna, do you know?	02:12:32
	Ruby who we're gonna.	02:12:35
	We don't know, she stated that it can stay like that for a while, right?	02:12:37
	That it doesn't have to be replaced right away.	02:12:40
	It doesn't need to be replaced, but there needs to be something added to it.	02:12:42
	From we don't know how much it's going to cost, so.	02:12:46
	We'll have to well.	02:12:48
	It's a county building.	02:12:51
	Still.	02:12:54
	OK, Ruby, Anything.	02:12:56
	I have auditors going through audit for 2025.	02:12:58
	Right now we're still doing disconnect.	02:13:02
	Mike.	02:13:15
	Business as usual at the landfill so.	02:13:18
	I got my compact is down.	02:13:21
	We got right there coming and checking on it.	02:13:24
	Got a couple of codes that come up so.	02:13:27
	How's your tire business?	02:13:30
	We're building tires.	02:13:31
	Every day.	02:13:33
	Isaac, Isaac, you too.	02:13:37
	I've just been doing line replacement still.	02:13:41
	Replace a lot of other on.	02:13:44
	Eaten and started eating and Court Street.	02:13:48
	The airport would be cleaned at the airport this week because I guess.	02:13:53
	Civil Air Patrol wants to have.	02:13:57
	Some type of little flying I guess to try to get.	02:14:00
	More uh.	02:14:02
	OK, more involvement.	02:14:04
	One of our compressors is down on the CNG station.	02:14:07
	Hopefully that'll get.	02:14:10
	With that 2 million we've got, hopefully we'll get get a 1.6 we've got.	02:14:11
	You should be able to get a whole brand new system.	02:14:16
	I hope so.	02:14:19
	So that's got to get in October.	02:14:20
	Yeah, I think we have a meeting on that.	02:14:23
	Next Tuesday.	02:14:25
	Mario, you want to announce your City Council race?	02:14:27
	No, I'm good. Thanks.	02:14:30
	Chris.	02:14:33
	Just schools and.	02:14:36
	Lately it's been homeless counts.	02:14:38
	So if you get homeless in camera.	02:14:40
	Award it. Let me know.	02:14:42
	I will clean it up. We're not gonna have those. Yeah.	02:14:44
	What about your school?	02:14:46
	Duty 2 hours a day, every day.	02:14:48
	Cool, but it's crazy they're new junior high.	02:14:52
	Yeah, it's a nice junior.	02:14:55
	OK. And.	02:14:57
	To be honest, so far they're getting a lot better than.	02:14:59
	FTL Junior Eye so.	02:15:01
	Yeah.	02:15:04
	Let's get out of here.	02:15:06
	What's the deal with the medical insurance?	02:15:08
	So we had a meeting, yeah. So the open enrollment is going to be October 20th to November 20th.	02:15:11
	For a short year, what they're going to do is they're going to change the plan year.	02:15:20
	To fiscal year and right now it's calendar year. So open enrollment is on October 20th to November 20th.	02:15:25
	For January 1 to June 30th.	02:15:33
	Then the so it'll be a short.	02:15:36
	Is what they're calling a short.	02:15:38
	So what are the employees going to have to do?	02:15:40
	If you want to make changes to your coverage, any changes, come see me between October 20th.	02:15:43
	And otherwise nothing.	02:15:49
	Otherwise, it's just going to continue, but it'll be.	02:15:51
	The January to June 30th will be just a short pioneer and then they'll.	02:15:53
	Pioneer will start July 1.	02:15:58
	OK, Sharon.	02:15:59
	Got a big event?	02:16:03
	We have the chili tea stuff coming up.	02:16:11
	In the beginning of October, so that'll be October 4th at 41 Sports Complex.	02:16:14
	So come down and taste some chili, see what we have going on over there.	02:16:18
	And then we also have Support Fest, the Coral Fest will be on October 10th and.	02:16:21
	So Friday and Saturday, Friday we'll have stuff going on from the 6th about 93010 o'clock.	02:16:26
	And then Saturday, it'll be all afternoon, starting at noon.	02:16:31
	We'll have the beer tent going on. We'll have the roads blocked off. The cap will be open. Box training will be open.	02:16:33
	My music going on so.	02:16:39
	Encourage everybody to get out there and see what's going on.	02:16:41
	Who wins 49ers?	02:16:44
	49ers is also in October, I'm not sure the exact date. I want to say it's about the middle of October.	02:16:45
	OK.	02:16:50
	Mr. Chavez, Focus.	02:16:52
	So I'm gonna and Steve didn't want to, so I will put it for him.	02:16:54
	He did a really, really good job, him and his staff.	02:16:59
	There was over 100 kids that came.	02:17:02
	With families at the sports arena for the rodeo, it was a 2 day rodeo.	02:17:06
	And they came from all over the state.	02:17:10
	But him and his staff did a really, really good job. They were in there.	02:17:12
	Doing whatever needed to be done. So thank you for everything you do.	02:17:17
	Poop everywhere. Everywhere.	02:17:21
	Mr. Fleming.	02:17:23
	Thank you, Mr. Mayor.	02:17:24
	I was out there.	02:17:27
	Helping set up the sound for the lower arena, which we never use because of the.	02:17:28
	Till the raindrops which we received.	02:17:35
	But it's amazing these families come in.	02:17:38
	With a half million dollar tractor and trailer.	02:17:42
	And they stand there.	02:17:47
	And they give Steve.	02:17:49
	A whole bunch of.	02:17:51
	For charging them $10 a night.	02:17:54
	For dry camping.	02:17:58
	It is amazing there.	02:18:01
	Here they drive in with a half million dollars and they're afraid to get rid of 10.	02:18:04
	It's amazing what?	02:18:09
	That clue goes through.	02:18:11
	Well, you guys do a wonderful job. I'm glad you're doing it.	02:18:14
	We'll just have another one this weekend I guess.	02:18:18
	Any other questions? Old business?	02:18:24
	Mr. Park, just quickly.	02:18:26
	Did you get a chance to meet with Mr. Otero regarding the pavement or the issues with the?	02:18:29
	Repaving of the road up there last time he.	02:18:34
	We had a pretty good meeting and and.	02:18:38
	We told him what was going on.	02:18:40
	The chip seal is the.	02:18:43
	Best thing to do right now because we'll have to put in a water line.	02:18:45
	And then we're hoping that we get the county to help us.	02:18:49
	Then do a paving after that.	02:18:53
	So we did meet with him.	02:18:55
	Thank you, Mr. Meeting with somebody.	02:18:56
	About the.	02:18:59
	Blue Canyon with Blue Canyon, if anybody.	02:19:01
	Mention that to you with.	02:19:04
	W Blue Canyon.	02:19:05
	And the rain just took a toll on our roads.	02:19:07
	I mean, it's like.	02:19:11
	Bleaching it.	02:19:12
	There's puddles and.	02:19:14
	Cracks. So we're going to work on doing that.	02:19:15
	Mr. Mayor.	02:19:18
	Just want to let you know TDs is back in there.	02:19:20
	Going to finish up the last.	02:19:24
	Part of the Internet there.	02:19:26
	It's been good. They're doing a lot of the.	02:19:29
	Fiber on aerial this time.	02:19:32
	I got Co-op relations with the Co-op, better relations with the Co-op So moderate.	02:19:35
	Out there where I live is all full of rocks, so it's.	02:19:42
	That's the best way to get there. I'll tell you, the court has certainly turned the page.	02:19:46
	And they just gave me a $20,000 check today.	02:19:50
	For the.	02:19:53
	Rebate on the LED lights.	02:19:54
	At Park.	02:19:57
	The tri-state came down so.	02:19:59
	You know, we're doing kumbaya as well as we can.	02:20:01
	But that's but it's a very good feeling. The board was here, Leroy.	02:20:05
	Mr. Alonzo Steve Rosa So.	02:20:09
	There was a good deal.	02:20:11
	Mr. Lopez, I know I mentioned it before, but.	02:20:13
	We need to do something on California St.	02:20:17
	At least we paint the lights and stuff at 80,000.	02:20:20
	So I'll have to get that from the Municipal Court.	02:20:24
	OK.	02:20:27
	No, I'm sorry, I just Judge is still here. Oh my God.	02:20:30
	Didn't see that. No, it's $80,000.	02:20:34
	Because you can't even see.	02:20:36
	No, no, yeah.	02:20:38
	No, but we I think yeah, but I got a quote on it.	02:20:40
	So I'm trying to figure out that 20,000 will go towards that.	02:20:43
	I mean, yeah. I mean, you know.	02:20:47
	Again, I'm just so worried about a downturn.	02:20:48
	You know, the junior high.	02:20:52
	30 million.	02:20:54
	Into our economy and we got about.	02:20:55
	Three and a half, 4% of that.	02:20:59
	That's the receipts.	02:21:01
	And then the apartments that you built put in 1518 million?	02:21:03
	The PRC building is put but then I'm afraid and we've had.	02:21:08
	Close receipts, but I'm just, I'm afraid that we're going to in the next two years.	02:21:12
	It's going to dive a little bit and so that's what I'm worried about.	02:21:17
	And our peril.	02:21:21
	And I don't, I don't mind it, but we, I think it's 500,000 more for the police.	02:21:22
	And 500 more for the.	02:21:27
	Fire department. I think those are about right numbers. Ruby.	02:21:29
	300.	02:21:32
	For fire and the police, which is fine. We, I mean, we're fully staffed.	02:21:35
	And so all that is.	02:21:39
	Kind of weighing on us is. I know it's weighing on Ruby because she.	02:21:41
	And weighs on me.	02:21:44
	So you know.	02:21:46
	And that that's where we're at.	02:21:47
	So we're making it. I'm not.	02:21:49
	We're in the black and we're doing well.	02:21:51
	I just always worry about that.	02:21:54
	The little thing because.	02:21:55
	The payroll has increased.	02:21:57
	Our costs are more.	02:21:59
	I mean inflation, they said there are no inflate, but there is inflation.	02:22:01
	So that's that's kind of where we got.	02:22:04
	And natural gas. Who knows what's natural gas going to do?	02:22:06
	This this winter.	02:22:09
	We're trying to hedge it.	02:22:12
	But you wouldn't believe how much the hedge price is.	02:22:14
	Because it's at $3 right now and we hedged it for four.	02:22:18
	So, you know, and that's a lot.	02:22:25
	So that's almost 5040 to 50%.	02:22:28
	Kind of like the January before.	02:22:31
	So that's the scary part.	02:22:34
	Anyway, OK, and let's go into executive session.	02:22:36
	No for another hour or so.	02:22:40
	I'm sorry.	02:22:42
	And again, thank you guys for coming in, ladies.	02:22:45
	We have the.	02:22:47
	Job description What am I doing with the job description?	02:22:49
	McDonald's We have a job description, Anybody.	02:22:55
	Just put them in range.	02:23:01
	So what am I supposed to do?	02:23:04
	OK.	02:23:08
	So moved and seconded.	02:23:09
	All in favor.	02:23:12
	Aye. So the personnel changes I've got.	02:23:13
	Davia, Marietta.	02:23:17
	Nuclear administration cashier, you'll hire full-time.	02:23:19
	Cassandra Castillo, library circulation assistant.	02:23:23
	Far beyond of our.	02:23:27
	De Vargas, police officer you hire.	02:23:28
	Antonio Gonzalez, Police security officer.	02:23:30
	Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the.	02:23:33
	Personnel changes.	02:23:35
	Second as read next question all in favor.	02:23:36
	Aye.	02:23:39
	Now we've got Martin Hospitality, that's the.	02:23:40
	At the bunker house.	02:23:44
	We got a bucking good time.	02:23:46
	That's Brendan with a mechanical bull.	02:23:48
	We've got Melissa Chevrolet.	02:23:50
	Automotive sales.	02:23:52
	One Rodeo Dr. Where's that?	02:23:54
	Serena.	02:23:56
	See Alina, They had to sell out there last year.	02:23:58
	Selling them again?	02:24:00
	Yes, Sir, Ford's coming again.	02:24:01
	Now, Steve.	02:24:04
	Selling cars out there.	02:24:07
	Wow.	02:24:14
	And Malloy Jeep so we got 4 Jeep and Chevrolet.	02:24:15
	And then we got the munchies.	02:24:19
	I just sent the.	02:24:22
	Really came down to see.	02:24:25
	What with the net speed, we had very pleased with what we had available.	02:24:27
	For advertising. That's so sweet of them. Could be nice to us.	02:24:33
	Mr.	02:24:36
	Yes, all in favor.	02:24:38
	OK, so October 7th.	02:24:39
	All right, everybody.	02:24:46