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Something that the business owners would do because I agree, but I think that I mean, if we can find ways for property owners who 00:00:00
don't maintain their building, who does, who do have it to where it's, it's, it increases or it attracts crime. It attracts the 00:00:06
stuff in neighboring areas, the houses behind Smiths, for example. Or what if it catches fire in it and it and, and it and the 00:00:12
houses are damaged? I mean, do we, I mean, if they don't have insurance, where do they go after that type of stuff too? I mean, I 00:00:18
agree with all. 00:00:24
Stuff. But I mean, I also agree with what Councillor Salome is saying too, is that how do we make it beneficial for everybody? 00:00:30
Nobody's gonna, I mean, not everybody's gonna be happy, I don't think. But at least I think there's some common ground we can get 00:00:36
to as long as we do have. Because it even says you sent this Jerry already. I mean, legal review and all this other stuff and take 00:00:43
it step by step because I think it is a step in the right direction to in a way revitalize, but at the same time. 00:00:50
Promote and give and allows us to recognize where are we we. 00:00:57
In the community, what can we use the council do to help support the items in this agenda and these business owners just like you 00:01:03
said too, and move from there. But I, I mean, I just like Councillor Partridge as well too. I think that, you know, we, there's 00:01:09
something we, we have to address it, I think, and we have to do something about it. What that is. 00:01:15
We got to figure that out. 00:01:22
You know, and this is, this may be a good idea, right? 00:01:26
Down the line once we try these things, this council has been sitting here for 10 years, 12 years trying to lower the electric 00:01:32
rates for businesses, right. One of the reasons we've been trying to do that is so we can revitalize the call. And I, I think 00:01:38
until we, we put those systems in place, use that GRT percentage that's meant for economic development used lower the electric 00:01:45
rates. 00:01:52
Work with the county. 00:01:59
Those types of things, when we put those in place and, and then maybe down the line, this is, this is a good idea. But I, I think 00:02:02
it, it's, it's, it's not the time for it now. I think we, the onus is on us and commissioners to. 00:02:11
Create an environment not through one ordinance, not through two ordinances, but with a system in place that allows. 00:02:21
For businesses to come to the coral and find. And that's not just a few words that that's a that's a whole culture of no, I get 00:02:30
it. No, I'm with you on that for sure. I'm just putting 1 foot forward. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's a good. 00:02:38
On this, on that note, so just to answer that question, is that this ordinance that we just made the motion for approval for 00:02:49
publication, that's the ordinance. 00:02:54
That would if we, if we pass that publication that this, the language that's in that ordinance is what's going to be published and 00:03:00
everything else, right. In that case, I want to make a motion to rescind my motion for approval publication until we can. 00:03:08
Let's go through these implementation steps one second. 00:03:17
All in favor, aye. OK, now I'd like to make a motion that we postpone the. 00:03:21
You postpone ordinance. 00:03:31
#24-12-17 One second. 00:03:35
All in favor. 00:03:41
I think everybody who knows me, I don't come around to complain. I'm not one to ***** about certain things of the city. I've been 00:03:51
in your guys similar situations in other in other regards. My concern was and what got me a little, you know my hair up is that 00:03:58
enlisted had been provided to the council listing certain. 00:04:05
Businesses. Well, I had requested the list to see who was on the list. I was informed that I was on the list, OK. And I said, 00:04:13
well, who else is on this list? Because I can go down California St. Spring Street and every other place and I can pretty much 00:04:20
tell you that building is vacant. That building is vacant. That's building is vacant. Now, I understand the purpose of 00:04:28
revitalization and what the city is trying to do to make sure that you don't have a bunch of junk out there, you know? 00:04:35
And I was always under the impression that I got called by the city constantly about my weeds, from Chesnick when he was saying to 00:04:43
Robert Serna to you name it, I got called and I would comply. I would come in, clean up the weeds, et cetera. I think there was 00:04:51
graffiti, somebody graffiti me at one time. I painted over it. I made sure that the graffiti was gone. OK. The only thing that I 00:04:58
have now is a broken window because I had homeless people under the under. 00:05:06
Tart under the canopy who built the fire and was camping out there and I went to them and I said look, I don't want to call the 00:05:13
police. I'm not trying to create problems. Just move. Well, they the young, she wasn't a young lady, but elderly lady got upset 00:05:21
and decided to take it out. OK, those things happen whenever you my feeling was is do I do I put boards across the windows. I'm 00:05:28
taking a risk. I know that, but I boarded up and make it look even worse. 00:05:35
Or am I trying to establish somebody to come in and say, hey, look, you can look into the window and see whether these square 00:05:43
footage is good enough for what you what you want. I understand about trying to clean it up, making sure your building is well 00:05:50
kept, et cetera. And my only concern at the time is, you know, due process requires that people should have the opportunity to 00:05:58
object to an ordinance, just not shrug down their throat. OK. And especially when you have a vested interest in it. 00:06:05
And the passage of it. So that was my concern. The other thing is, is let's list everybody. I mean, if there's going to be a list, 00:06:13
I mean, to me, I would have probably said, hey, I don't want to list. Let's just talk about the ordinance and what our purpose is. 00:06:20
But once you put a list, then it starts to look like you're targeting people, especially when you leave out certain people that 00:06:26
you know have buildings that are vacant and you start to. 00:06:33
Imagine or. 00:06:41
Conspiracy, I guess conspiracy theories come up and you start to wonder how come they weren't put in there. Is there a purpose? Is 00:06:43
there a reason? And I, I think that's my biggest concern. I don't have a problem with counselor of being a suggestion of let's 00:06:49
let's go through the process. I mean, let's have a meeting, let's have public hearings. Let's see what what the purpose is. I mean 00:06:55
there has to be a definition of what is vacant. I mean is vacant. So if I can go over there and I put a bunch of junk in there 00:07:00
I've seen buildings that. 00:07:06
Junk in there and and say, OK, I'm renting it to that person, but no no longer becomes vacant. I mean that's I can do that. Does 00:07:12
it solve the problem? Not really, but I guess you know, whatever. So as I what I'm here is because I felt that look, this thing is 00:07:20
getting shoved down my throat. I am a vested I have a vested interest in this thing and there's no process to have a hearing on 00:07:27
it. 00:07:34
Or public hearings, you know, to say this is what we're doing, this is the definition, this is the penalties, this is whatever and 00:07:42
have some input into it and, and define exactly what you guys are looking at, at the with the ordinance. So I mean, I think it's 00:07:49
really open and unfortunately I couldn't get a copy of the ordinance to read it to see what, you know, for my point of view, Hey, 00:07:57
what's my legal remedies here, you know, and see what what's going on so. 00:08:04
That's why I'm here. And like I said, I'm not here to throw anybody under the bus or anything else. I just felt that when you do 00:08:12
lists, I think that's kind of something that you don't want. You know, you just the purpose is, hey, I want an ordinance. Let's 00:08:18
put the ordinance together, but don't put a list because there's going to be people going to leave out and that's going to create 00:08:24
problems. No question about it. That's what I'm Thank you, Ron. Thank you. 00:08:30
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Chris, thank you so for doing this. And The thing is, is that. 00:08:37
Taking a proactive action on it, on the on from this from his standpoint. And I think just starting with the stakeholder things 00:08:45
you can relate to people, business owners or people that have these buildings that maybe you haven't interacted with that you can 00:08:50
express the struggles that you deal with and all this other stuff on a daily basis. Not naming them specifically, but the stuff 00:08:56
that you go through so that that maybe they can offer some other things. And just like it says on here that you provided in the in 00:09:01
the white paper. 00:09:06
To gather feedback and fine tune the ordinance. 00:09:12
We can fine tune it, we can make it super good to where maybe we can be the ones on here to where when you have the the sample 00:09:15
cities that what they're doing that we can be the example for it if we do it right. 00:09:21
Thank you. Thanks Chris. What we asked you, I just tweaked it something. 00:09:28
So we have. 00:09:35
Another company. 00:09:36
Well, you have the beautiful, beautiful, I don't know if it's still active with the beautiful and stuff like that. And I haven't 00:09:39
heard from them since Mrs. Wells was said too emerged on other organizations that can offer input as well too, that get everybody 00:09:46
and maybe actually get something going. 00:09:53
You know, I know it's easy to come in and say, well, you know, you can't rent it, sell it. Well, I just want to let you know that 00:10:02
the property that I have has been in my family for 400 years and I'll be damned if I want to sell it period. Maybe my kids will, 00:10:09
probably will, no question about it. I mean, they don't care. They don't. So just wait till I'm dead. You can probably have it, 00:10:17
you know, whatever. But the point is, is like I said it, it almost. 00:10:24
Somebody that, you know, you're gonna start finding them and they're gonna finally say, hey, look, and of course, people who wanna 00:10:32
purchase it wanna cheap. I mean, hey, that's business. I don't blame them. I don't criticize them. But that's the process. So 00:10:38
again, you know, we try. I talk to people all the time. I've contacted franchises. They won't even come close to Socorro. The GRT 00:10:45
just isn't big enough. The population isn't big enough. They just won't come in. 00:10:52
And small business owners that you know to start up. 00:11:00
When you talk about insurance rates, property taxes, all of that stuff, they start to back off. And of course, they say rent it to 00:11:03
me for $100. Well, I got to pay property, you know, in the investment. So because it doesn't work that way. So I sympathize with 00:11:10
you. I mean, you have a big job, and you probably get a lot of people ****** *** at you, but I guess that comes with a territory, 00:11:18
you know, with everybody else. So. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you know, Yeah, so I understand. So anyway. 00:11:25
That kind of sums it up from my perspective is the the previous county clerk and the mayor when when Eagle Pitcher was moving out 00:11:32
of town. 00:11:36
And they couldn't do it anymore. They, they, they closed up shop. And no matter what to him, said went to the director and said, 00:11:40
you know, what can the city do to help you stay in business and keep these people employed? 00:11:46
And the guy said, you know what, with workman's comp rates, there's nothing that the city could do for us that would keep us here. 00:11:53
Nothing can't do enough for us to keep us here. We're out of here. 00:12:03
That's the environment we work on. We work in our state. 75% of the jobs in this state are government jobs. OK means 25% of the 00:12:08
jobs are private jobs. 00:12:13
That means that the that the people who were running for office and run the show, well, they don't cater to the 25% because they 00:12:18
won't win the election that way. 00:12:23
That's my little 2 bits. 00:12:29
New business, New business. 00:12:32
I just have one thing. I had a nice season in the audience here. Mr. Carrico contacted me about. He lives in an area. 00:12:38
Where he was. 00:12:46
Once a witness, but it was a lot of gunshots the other day from what I understand and and he emailed me with the concerns on it 00:12:49
and emailed them back and responded that I mean it's it's been an issue before and and my chief has mentioned and we will talk to 00:12:56
the chief and maybe get with you to talk about the struggles that he has as far as repeat criminals and issues that happen when 00:13:03
they do arrest people and and make it the crimes continue to happen but. 00:13:10
Chief Garcia, this is Mr. Carico, if you guys want to chat. 00:13:18
I just wanted to bring that up to as far as the concern from the community with crime going on and possible solutions, if there's 00:13:23
any. 00:13:27
Thank you. 00:13:32
So. 00:13:36
Pretty scary. 00:13:41
Angel question. You know, last time when Officer Greener Chick, he's the assistant assistant Chief Green was here, we asked him a 00:13:45
question about. 00:13:51
About undocumented folks, he's had any issues? Have you had any issues with with undocumented folks? 00:13:58
We haven't. There was probably about a month ago that there was a van that was stopped with, I don't know, 30 or 35 undocumented 00:14:07
individuals by Tractor Supply, but we have not had that that type of problem here. Thank you, Angel. More of our locals, but yeah. 00:14:17
I just I mean, I was telling you how good of a job you guys do at the Police Department. So if you just want to kind of explain in 00:14:28
a nutshell, maybe the the struggles that you run into, and I don't know if I want to say staffing, but as far as. 00:14:34
What happens with these criminals when you do pick them up and you are doing what you're doing, what law enforcement does and what 00:14:40
happens after that? Definitely. I'll definitely get with him and do that. 00:14:45
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Thank you, guys. 00:14:51
Old business. 00:14:56
Executive session. 00:14:58
What's that? 00:15:03
Old business, yeah. 00:15:07
Yeah, if you're ready for it. 00:15:10
Last meeting we talked a lot about zoning in Socorro, and I think through discussions we're realizing that maybe we need to do a 00:15:15
little bit of work on that, you know? 00:15:20
Just to give one example, if you get a special permit, there was a lot of discussion that is supposed to come and renew it every 00:15:27
five years. You know, I don't believe anybody was ever notified that they were supposed to do that. I mean, who notifies them that 00:15:33
they need to come back and revisit their their special permit request? 00:15:40
And then I think we noticed the maps are very outdated that we that we use for our zoning ordinance. So those are the kinds of 00:15:48
things that I just thought that maybe we should think about addressing those. Do we want to have another community? 00:15:55
Talk about there's gone and we formed 3 new people. 00:16:04
Good thing there's no Internet. You can't watch it, Madam Mayor. So Councillor Dean and I talked about that just, you know, taking 00:16:09
that back in and familiarizing herself with the the code, zoning, the ordinances in the area, what role residential means, what's 00:16:16
allowable in those areas. And we just said it'd be good for us to to be able to understand that better, take some time and maybe, 00:16:23
you know, to be able to disseminate that information on these issues, come up to the public. 00:16:29
So I would be, I'm not on any committees, I haven't wanted to be on anything just because I want to learn how to be a good 00:16:37
Councilman before I jump on a committee. Gladly do that with her if she decided to do that. And maybe not a committee, but maybe 00:16:43
the council can have like a 2 day workshop or a one day workshop where we can come in and discuss all of that and have like a 00:16:49
working, working day. 00:16:55
Maybe along with the zoning Commission as well, too. Exactly. 00:17:03
That would be helpful. 00:17:07
I will get with Christy tomorrow, but in my experience over the last nine years, we need to rewrite the personnel manual. We need 00:17:08
to rewrite zoning. There's another one that just slipped my mind, but we have some antiquated absolutely stuff. I mean, it still 00:17:15
works, but it could could use some updating. 00:17:21
Just because the verb is for, you know, just the lingo, the verb is understanding. It is helpful to you just to, you know, get, 00:17:28
get an idea of what we're looking at there when those issues do come up. 00:17:34
Would it be worthwhile to hire a consultant to do some of this work for us? When I was first hired, I went through and put flags 00:17:40
on everything I would change in the personnel manual and there's probably 1500 flags on it. But did they have they started 00:17:48
retyping it? Because if they'll just put it into Word for me, I can go in and edit it myself. Yeah, when you start that. 00:17:56
We did the utility one. 00:18:10
Mm-hmm. 00:18:14
Yes. 00:18:21
It actually the whole personality. Of course we have to do so we don't have an appearing and everything when we do make decisions, 00:18:22
but there's a lot of things. 00:18:26
Madam Mayor, just for Mr. Monex information, the State is changing and map and state statute with regards to the new 911 system, 00:18:34
so we have to revise it. 00:18:40
Going to need a week of working days. 00:18:48
We need a professional manual writer. 00:18:51
OK, executive session None. 00:18:55
Personal changes. 00:19:00
We have John Armijo. 00:19:02
Animal Shelter Officer New hire That's good 42 Darryl Ross, Tourism and Administrative Assistant, Additional duties from AC39 to 00:19:05
AC41. Madam Mayor, make a motion. We approve the personnel changes as presented. Second, all in favor. All right. 00:19:15
Business registration We have JB Professional Automotive 500 N 6th St. Johnny Venezuela Auto repair flawless finish permanent 00:19:29
makeup by Eliza 316 California St. Eliza Torres permanent makeup tattoo Sierra cleaners 115 Faulkner Haven law dry cleaners. 00:19:41
Badger Day riding out of town, Albuquerque. Jamie Taylor. 00:19:54
Hydrose something. 00:20:00
On the mobile notary and processing service out of town. 547 Harold Drive there in Chavis. Notary and process fee. 00:20:03
Aber E and TLL CC 19198 New Ave. Grisil Polymeris Employment Agency slash services Madam Mayor. 00:20:14
Make a motion. We approve the business registrations. Second discussion. 00:20:28
All in favor, aye. Madam Mayor, just Councillor Green, on your motion to postpone, did you say till December 17th? I didn't give a 00:20:36
date. I just said postpone. Can we revisit that? Because in our rule of procedure, we have to give it a specific date to what's 00:20:43
going to be reconsidered. Or you can, I don't even say give it out like say in 2025. 00:20:50
There has to be a date on that one. There's supposed to be. If you table it, it's supposed to come back up during the same 00:20:59
meeting, and if you postpone it, you're supposed to put us an actual date. 00:21:03
Yeah, well then. 00:21:12
I would do it back in March. I don't know how we would go back and redo a motion on that though, to be a friend emotion or make a 00:21:15
friend emotion to. 00:21:20
Amend the term of my original. 00:21:27
Motion of Postponing ordinance #24-12-17 to read. 00:21:31
And addressed in 2025. 00:21:41
The year 2025. Thank you. 00:21:46
And I have one. Sorry. Go ahead. 00:21:51
Discussion. 00:21:56
I don't know, 2025 is the whole year. It takes us that long to get all this out there, at least address it in 2025 at some point. 00:21:58
I mean, if it's either way, if we said it, yeah. I mean, we can always bring that up at any time. Now we can, yeah. 00:22:07
All in favor, aye. And one announcement. The District 1 Highway Commissioners will be at the Convention Center Thursday morning at 00:22:17
8:30. If any of you can make it, just stop by to say hello or something. 00:22:23
No, I don't. I think this is just their annual meeting, their annual district meeting. 00:22:30
And then there's also the duty of Albert Wall. That's the dot employees. It's, it's just them though. And then the Commission will 00:22:39
be at Jackson Ranch. 00:22:45
OK, Thursday. What time? 8:30 Thank you. OK, next City Council meeting is December 30 at six and I need a motion to adjourn. 00:22:54
Thank you, Madam Mayor. 00:23:11