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Where's Polo? California. A lot of that guys were going to a Dodgers game. Well, let's see if you didn't have a job when he comes 00:00:00
back. 00:00:05
City Council meeting Tuesday, May 28th. Air Vascular here. Councillor Dean. Councillor Fleming. 00:00:10
Councilor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here, Councillor Salome here. We have a quorum. 00:00:20
United States of America and what she says. One nation under God, indivisible in liberty and justice for all. 00:00:34
Approval of the consent agenda. 00:00:52
Mr. Roosevelt. Mr. Romero. 00:00:55
Second discussion all in favor, aye. 00:01:01
And we're down to the public forum already. 00:01:06
Anybody any ideas? Yes ma'am. 00:01:10
Hi everyone. Amy Kimball here I. 00:01:15
I'm looking forward to the city pool being open and I looked at the hours today and I was surprised to see that it's just 00:01:19
scheduled to be open from Tuesday through Friday this year. Last year it was open on the weekends. And I assume this is something 00:01:26
to do with money and or logistics. And so I was wondering how and when the decision gets made about the city pool hours. I want to 00:01:32
point out that it's it's a really great resource. I don't, I don't have a family here myself and I have kids, but I assume that it 00:01:39
gets enough. 00:01:45
From last year to but also I know it's really. 00:01:52
It's a pretty important resource for community members who are training for the triathlon, which is at the beginning of August. 00:01:55
And it's going to be pretty difficult to do that with those hours for people who have a normal, normal work schedule. So just 00:02:01
wanted to mention that and ask. It's a good point, the two reasons maybe Lloyd or Donald want to speak to that or I can. 00:02:08
Without anything. 00:02:23
And it's posted because they, they, they, they recycle the water, they have chemicals to the water cool and then go. And then on 00:02:26
Monday they left. They recycle the water and then life car screening and then it's open. You know, it's Saturday. OK, I'm really 00:02:34
glad to hear that the hours posted online are, are wrong. Then it's do you know this Saturday hours? Is it still 12 to 4:30? 00:02:43
Sorry. 00:02:54
OK. 00:02:58
You know, the other problem we do have, and I'm glad they were here to answer that question, is finding lifeguards. It's not as 00:02:59
much as but the budget, but finding lifeguards and the other thing, we found that on Sunday. 00:03:06
Our numbers drop and so we have good for the first week or two and then the numbers drop and that is a budget question, but and I 00:03:14
are we charging this year. 00:03:19
It's not free online. 00:03:26
Yeah, so, and we're trying to get the Conservancy to help us because stay out of ditches. That's one of their big programs. And so 00:03:31
they they have helped us sponsor swim lessons and help us keep the pool open so that people don't go in the ditches. Michael. 00:03:39
Huh. 00:03:48
Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying the Conservancy hopefully will help us out. They gave us $10,000 for the past, I don't know how 00:03:51
many years. 00:03:54
It did also say actually that the swim lessons would be free for kids this year, so that's also wrong. 00:04:00
That's last year's. 00:04:11
Information. 00:04:13
Get a hearing aid. 00:04:17
Have you guys had a conversation back there? I don't know what are you talking about. 00:04:22
That. 00:04:29
It hasn't been updated. They haven't updated. We'll put it on. We'll put it online, we'll put it in the residential bills. We'll 00:04:30
get that information out, though. Glad you brought it up on this. Yeah, I'm just wondering. So. So I understand that the 00:04:38
lifeguards are typically high school students. That's what I was. Well, The thing is, Tech also takes a lot of the lifeguards, so 00:04:45
we always have problems. I mean, I don't know how the deal is this year, but when we raise their salaries to match Tech, so. 00:04:53
You know, that that's our biggest and now we do have a head lifeguard, but it's, it's always trouble getting life lifeguards. And 00:05:01
then we also sponsor the swim team. So, you know, they get they get a chance to do that also. So I mean, we're trying to get 00:05:06
everybody involved. 00:05:11
Sounds like you're doing what you can and the and the trilathalon is in August. Yep. So there is one other issue which also 00:05:18
happened last year. OK, again, it's the if the dates are from last year, then maybe this isn't totally relevant, but. 00:05:25
The pool actually closed about several days before the before the triathlon. It would have been nice to have it open for training 00:05:32
up until that, I think. Well, that's it. School's going to start very early this year, August 6th. 00:05:39
August 2nd, which sometimes when they when the schools open. 00:05:48
If, if the people can want to want to practice, we're going to have to get some waivers on lifeguards. And I think Lloyd, I mean, 00:05:55
we can try to, we do. Have we kept it open before? 00:06:01
Last year that wasn't the case. 00:06:15
Thank you. Or maybe it was. It wasn't clear until the last week. I kept asking. 00:06:17
Get that information out too. But it's it's summertime. We're getting ready to. I'm glad you brought that up a good subject. 00:06:29
Thanks a lot. Thank you anyone else who would like to make a comment. 00:06:35
Partridge is your wrestling pyramid. How was that? And it was, well, Steve Prue and the guys are throwing around. They're a 00:06:42
phenomenal job. It's getting easier and easier every year. They Is that right, Steve? 00:06:49
Is it getting easier and easier? 00:06:58
Yeah, it was 1038 participants. 00:07:02
A belly in it. And he's got a new roller. He's proud of his new. It really made a difference because the Mets weren't, you know, 00:07:46
they weren't. There wasn't a pool in the middle. So it turned out nice. That's an event that Mary Baskill, my wife and I flew the 00:07:54
owners down, but nine years ago, eight years ago. And they didn't want to do it because of the outdoor arena. And then COVID hit 00:08:02
and I called the owner back and said, hey, it was an outdoor event. Think about it and say, yeah, let's do it. 00:08:10
Came down three years ago, so it's increasingly got better. They've already confirmed that they'll be back next year. 00:08:18
Some of these little tokens, I told them, any guys give these to the counselors. There's a little Bible verse on the back from the 00:08:25
wrestling tournament, the name of its heroes, Conquest, and that the Maribel over there. 00:08:30
That's what the kids went for first place. 00:08:37
Yeah, that's the first. That's the championship belt. So it's a big organization. They do 27 shows around the country for for 00:08:43
youth wrestling. 00:08:47
Christian based organization, good, good folks. I think Mr. Fleming was in contact with me quite a bit for the sound and that's 00:08:53
that was really good and and Steve. 00:08:58
Seem to be, Yeah, we don't have any hiccups. 00:09:05
Put that Western Council. 00:09:09
Because the the wind was the wind was a challenge for that tournament for and the one we do in July 2, it's a little bit of a 00:09:14
challenge, but this is a plastic the whole arena. And then they use gaffers tape on the edge of the mat and they tape down. So now 00:09:19
the wind can't get underneath it. 00:09:25
The kids, it turned into an overnight event because they have to weigh in the day before the rest of the next day. So even though 00:10:10
it's one day event, it's typically two. So and the one we have in July is would be 3 days because it's, yeah, it's a three day 00:10:17
event. So it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Weren't they putting in a Wi-Fi line? I thought we were going to get that done. 00:10:24
Western. 00:10:32
Donald, Donald didn't say when we gave him that piece of property over there. They said they were gonna yesterday. We're gonna 00:10:34
hook us up to the, the Convention Center and the rodeo arena and RV park. I'll, I'll try to ready to follow up on that. 00:10:40
Well, I mean, we appreciate tech doing that, but I mean, we need to have, we need to have the. Yeah, definitely. There was an 00:10:49
Ethernet cable available that makes the up and down much faster because the Wi-Fi is great for things. But when we run the 00:10:56
computers, it's better if it's it's wired into a computer tower and then there's a switch and all those are wired. You guys got 00:11:03
everything on? Yeah. It's unbelievable how well they do. Yeah, it's pretty. 00:11:09
It's unbelievable and so, but thanks for the council support. Even before I was sitting here, the council's always supported 00:11:18
wrestling. Mayor Bhaskar has always been a big advocate for us, for wrestling and we appreciate that. 00:11:23
Lessons growing here and we're we're grateful for the opportunity to Russell here. So now we're planning to wrestle out the 00:11:29
support. Thank you guys. 00:11:32
Became a city councillor is on those and the good job you do with the community. Peter, how is the Memorial Day? That went very 00:11:37
well. We had a a great lineup of speakers and all yesterday it was well attended and just a wonderful ceremony. You know, I think 00:11:44
it's something important that we should do every year. 00:11:50
And we do it for veterans. And but I was really proud of the way the Veterans Park has come around and Lloyd and your your crew, 00:11:58
the Parks and Rec, they were there. Mr. Lopez and his. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it was really well done. Done. 00:12:07
OK, now I'm trying to install this but Ed you are. 00:12:18
This is a. As promised, you've got. 00:12:22
Ed Reyes, who is our financial and. 00:12:28
Special consultant for the electric, he's been given numbers that we got from hospital tech schools and he's put those together. 00:12:33
He has the worst scenario and he has the best scenario. So we're going to we're going to have him present to the council and we 00:12:39
may need. 00:12:45
Magnifying glass, but he's got a table of things that go from worst to best. 00:12:52
There you go, now at the bottom. 00:13:12
To do it in presentation mode. 00:13:15
At the bottom right. 00:13:18
And this scenario is the industrial park. 00:13:24
There's some big users there. There's also residential that we haven't really put in. But then we've also taken into account the 00:13:27
new junior high that's coming up. He's taken into account the revenue for that. 00:13:34
And the. 00:13:43
The thing that he will show you is, like I said, depending on how we get the money, at what percentage and if we get solar, how 00:13:45
would that work out? So he's got that all set up for you. Good mayor, counselors, thanks for having me. 00:13:52
Going to the first one, we'll just get rolling. So I wanted to give a little brief background of where you know where this 00:14:01
started. So if we go along goes all the way back to prior to 2015 even, but the last the study that was done, the original 00:14:06
feasibility state was done back in. 00:14:12
June of 17 by Forsgren. I did provide some some assistance for them with power supply and and a couple other analytics that that 00:14:18
we worked on that I worked on with them back then as well. There were two service options that were considered over ground and and 00:14:26
and overhead and underground. And the the initial cap cost capital X was you know, five and a half million or seven and a half 00:14:35
million with bond financing assumed that at 3 1/2% roughly. 00:14:43
The annual operating expense was about 3.75 to 3.9 and it included a power cost of $2.4 million a year. So the, and then the, the, 00:14:53
the way that the, the, the report was put together, it was making an assumption that the assumed rates that would be charged would 00:15:02
be at or at or below the SEC rates. Everything was measured against what the SEC rates were in the next. 00:15:11
Since then, a few things have happened since the 2017 had a pandemic, significant supply chain constraints and that's put a lot of 00:15:23
pressure on on the on substation, equipment, on holes, cable, you name it, everything, everything's gone up and it and it's been 00:15:31
harder to get the big push with solar and batteries. 00:15:40
Has also been a big issue solar batteries and, and the inverters, there's a lot of the components that are similar in the 00:15:49
inverters and a lot of the components for, for Transformers, for substation Transformers. And so substation Transformers in 00:15:58
particular have gone, gone sky high. They're probably around 2X of what they were back then in 2017. 00:16:07
Since then we had the Energy Transition Act which which accelerated development of solar and and battery storage projects all over 00:16:18
the state and and it is forcing some regional resource retirements. And so there are some, some supply constraints in certain 00:16:28
areas of P and MP and M closed down San Juan, they were trying to, they were trying to unload their share of four corners. 00:16:37
Coal plant which just recently got reversed and they'll be holding on to that until at least 2031. But generally in the regional 00:16:48
wide, regional wide, there are some resource constraints I. 00:16:55
Inflation, there's a little chart there. I mean, you know, back in 17 inflation is running around at 2.1% and right now for for 00:17:03
2024, the expectation is about 3.3. 00:17:10
But in 2022 it jumped as high as on an annual rate that year was 8%. So when you Add all that up, you get, you get a, a 00:17:18
significant increase in, in the, in the cost of pretty much everything. I mean, it's all 60% higher. Just about everything is 60% 00:17:26
higher on the material side. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I guess labor hasn't, you know, so people aren't making as much, 00:17:33
they're not making 60% more, but labor costs have gone up as well. 00:17:41
That on an average of about 11 to 12%. 00:17:49
So at any rate, that's that's what we're looking. I mean, June of 17 it was one the funds rate, federal funds rate was 1.16%. 00:17:53
Current federal funds rate right now is 5.33%. So those are the things that have changed since 2017. Next time. 00:18:01
So in the model itself, so I, I, I didn't have the, the original model that Forgegrind did. I took the, I took a lot of the 00:18:11
information that they provided back then. And then, and then we built a new model to take a look at what this would, what this 00:18:18
would look like. 00:18:26
So we had, as everyone knows, you have a, you had a preliminary substation and system design done for 260 grand or something like 00:18:35
that recently that came back with a preliminary design and an estimated cost of over 12 and a half million dollars. So it's the, 00:18:43
the old, if you remember the one before it was 5 1/2 and seven and a half and now it's 12 1/2. So yeah, the, the costs have gone 00:18:51
up a ton. Still looked at targeted loads in New Mexico tech schools and industrial corridor. 00:18:58
That does include city accounts, doesn't include. Apparently it doesn't include the the chargers. We'll have to find that. We'll 00:19:07
figure out where that is. Yeah, we have to figure out where that is. 00:19:13
So what I did and and I've done this on on a cup for a couple of different clients, but we built, I built a ground up operational 00:19:20
model based on a standard municipal budget. So it took there's, there's like three or four different communities in. 00:19:30
New Mexico and in Colorado and one in Utah that, that I'm able to pull data down for their standard budgets and I can take them 00:19:40
line by line and build a line item budget all the way up to what it would a, what an electric utility budget should look like. So 00:19:49
people, capital, materials, everything. It's 100 and 8200 lines of budget budget items. 00:19:57
So that was developed. I did that from the from the from the bottom up. We did update the wholesale power supply cost power supply 00:20:08
back then was expected to be about 3.8 to 4.2. That was the that was the range that we were looking at at the time in 2017. 00:20:18
With the resource constraints. 00:20:29
Last year was probably closer to $55 a MW hour. That's five, you know, that's, that's a lot. So five and a half cents per kWh just 00:20:31
for the energy. And then you have to add everything else on up from 3.8 to 4.2. So that that went up significantly, 20 to 25%. 00:20:41
That said, that is starting to abate if you look at. In fact, I was just showing them today. 00:20:54
California ISO, what they call the energy imbalance market, which is what the, all the marketers and, and all the utilities, if 00:21:01
they need energy at any given time during the day, there's they and they're out of balance. So their supply is low, but their load 00:21:07
is high. They got to buy it from the market. And if their supply is too high and they're loaded and show up, then they're selling 00:21:14
it into the market. Well, right now with all the wind and all the solar that's been built and developed and installed over the 00:21:21
course of the last 2-3 years. 00:21:27
For the last three months the the New Mexico, the New Mexico, what they call L&P is the location pricing. The pricing for energy 00:21:35
has been negative for about 10 to 12 hours a day. So starting at, you know, 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning, prices are are literally 00:21:44
dipping to zero and then below 0. So today when we looked it was 5:30 in the afternoon, 530 in the evening. California prices were 00:21:53
$4.00 negative and New Mexico prices were $0.40 negative. 00:22:02
MW hours. It's I mean it so you get paid. They're paying us to use. They would be yeah, you if you were, if you were sure you 00:22:11
would be getting paid to take energy off of the system because the wind was blowing and it's sunny and there's a ton of it. That 00:22:18
also does create an opportunity for putting in batteries because for the last 3 1/2 months, during the day, you would have been 00:22:25
paid to charge your batteries and then you could discharge them whenever you wanted with free energy. 00:22:33
So anyway, that's the, that's some of the things that have changed and some of them we didn't. We don't have that in the model 00:22:40
right now. And then on options for financing, we still looked at municipal bonds, at the federal funds rates. We're looking at 00:22:46
5.3. That was 5.3, four we think. 00:22:52
I think by time by time you could get everything moving. 00:23:00
Expectation is we're going to see about a percentage percentage point decrease I. 00:23:05
Feds already started to make some chatter about it and I think the first one should come maybe in June, if not in June. We're 00:23:11
expecting to see one at least in August and then another one in October and potentially in December. So we should see 3/4 of a 00:23:17
percent between now and the end of the year and then by by this time next year, probably a full percentage point down. So that 00:23:23
would bring that federal funds rate down from 5.3 down to about four, four and a half, four and a quarter. So that that's that's 00:23:28
what we're expecting. 00:23:34
Private and bank financing so. 00:23:41
One of the proposals that you had back in 2017 was from Guzman, who you've met. 00:23:45
And they had, they had proposed an offer to finance the building. Well, finance the capital needs to get everything started. 00:23:52
That's that is that's, that's one of the assumptions in that second one and then the third one. But in either of those cases after 00:24:01
one year of operations, we would have the city would apply to NMMFA and try to get. 00:24:07
Mortgage Finance Authority money which at the time when in 17 or we were looking at this. 00:24:15
MFA when he was, it was about 1.7%. So that's Donald. What did they tell us for? Yeah, they're four. They're about at 4 now. Yeah, 00:24:20
they're still, they're still kind of, yeah, they're still lower than fed funds rate. But yeah, they're, it's right around one. 00:24:28
They expect again, the expectation is about 4% once you get that converted and then the, the, the other is the same type of 00:24:35
financing. 00:24:43
We've assumed that we're going to do we're going to do you're going to do solar in this model and significant amount of solar. You 00:24:51
know you, you was that. No, it wasn't here. It was at the Convention Center back in the fall, I believe when the guys from ICAST 00:24:58
came and went through the presentation on on going after different grant money and they they've already identified three or four 00:25:05
different grants that that are potential. There's one for the state of Mexico that just got awarded other than 560 million or 00:25:12
something like that. That's. 00:25:18
One that just got awarded recently and that's that solar for all. So that's, that's one that the state will the state doesn't have 00:25:26
all the rules out yet, but as soon as those rules out, they'll start playing for those grants as well. OK, next one. And that's in 00:25:33
the process just for the the the council to know Donald with the deadline was at the end of June or was it the 300,000 for the 00:25:41
planning grant? Yes, Sir. I think it's around the 25th of June 25th. So we've already started on that process. 00:25:49
Yeah, that's the planning grant for professional services that they'll pay for. 00:25:57
There they'll get a grant so that the grant pays for the design citing all of the other you mean you have to do a, you have to do 00:26:02
a, a phase one environmental study and you got to do art study and you got to do all of that. This would that grant would pay for 00:26:09
all that to get the site developed basically and ready for construction. So moving to the results, again, this is the first one, 00:26:16
but fully blind financed. Look at the federal funds rate. It's actually more like an MFA rate. We're looking at like somewhere 00:26:22
around 4%. 00:26:29
Installation of about 7 megawatts or solar, funded through federal and state grants. 00:26:37
Well, federal and state grant, state grants, federal, some federal grants. And then also anything that does come out from the city 00:26:42
would come under their direct pay, which is the IRA has for solar for for solar development, for public, for public entities. You 00:26:51
weren't able before to take the tax credits because you don't pay taxes. 00:26:59
And what they changed there was they put this new, new program for direct funding. So you go spend the money and then you apply to 00:27:09
the IRS and then the IRS gives you the gives you the the tax credits and in the form of a check. And so right now. 00:27:19
You're already you would get the 30% tax credit for solar renewables that's already baked in. And then you would apply for low 00:27:30
income 'cause there's AI believe the city would end up qualifying for low income community. And so that would also go into that go 00:27:38
into those grants as well. So that's and that's 40% off of the top. So that's, I mean, that's kind of a given. And then I cast is 00:27:46
looking at another 20 to 50% in grants. 00:27:54
That they would get so it could be up to I'm not fully funded, but pretty darn close to fully funded. That's what this one looks 00:28:03
at pretty much fully funded service to all the city facilities, tech schools, industrial corridor, about 200 plus accounts and 00:28:10
little almost 8 megawatts of peak demand produces an enterprise surplus of about a half, $1,000,000 average over the first five 00:28:18
years. So each year or one year average per year. 00:28:25
That's it. And that's, that's solar. No, that's for the whole, that's for the entire utility, the utility itself, enterprise fund. 00:28:35
So if you build the utility, get it running over the first five years, the expectation is you'd get about it. You'd have about a 00:28:42
half, $1,000,000 of, of surplus based on, based on leaving rates the same. So if they were the same as SC CS rates would be, it 00:28:48
would be, you'd have about 1/2 a million in surplus. 00:28:55
I mean that that. 00:29:04
Says that you don't change the rates if you change the rates, obviously you lower the rates and you would eat up surplus. But it's 00:29:06
however it's how you want, however you want to look at it, you know, and and whether or not City Schools, hospital, everyone wants 00:29:13
to get slightly lower rates or do they want to help fund other benefits into the city. So however that you know, whatever you want 00:29:20
to do that. And next one is the council know these are packages. I don't know if you see how each bullet point is. 00:29:28
And those packages have to deal with 9% or 4% loan to build the the substation. Plus if you're able to get enough solar at a very 00:29:36
low cost for nothing, you can feed into the grid and not really be paying anything for electricity. And the first scenario 00:29:44
generates funds even though your your debt service might be at $1,000,000. 00:29:52
And so that's that's those are each one of those bullets are for that package. 00:30:03
In each one of these scenarios that we ran on the operational budget is almost identical to to what they had assumed back in 2017. 00:30:08
That part didn't change much because. 00:30:15
There were when I, I don't, I never saw their full build up from the ground up. So I don't know how exactly how they did it, but 00:30:23
but the, the, the budget that I put together is on on an equal basis with three different municipal utilities in the state. So 00:30:30
it's real close. 00:30:37
Again, this would have installation of first the private bank and financing. So you would start out with private financing at 00:30:46
something like 9%. 00:30:50
Operate for a year or two or a year and a half, however long it would take to get MFA financing. MFA wants the one year of 00:30:56
operational experience prior to doing a loan conversion. So we do converted financing after, you know, 12 to 16 months, 18 months, 00:31:02
convert that note and then take on an MFA mortgage for the, for the balance of that period. And it's, it was figured at 20 years 00:31:09
as well. 00:31:16
Same services, tech, schools, hospital. 00:31:25
Cities, city buildings and then that one produces a surplus of 32,000 for the first year, first two years and then half a million 00:31:29
after the conversion. So you know, you, you still, you're losing out on in the beginning because you're paying a ton in financing 00:31:37
cost, but it picks up after you get the, the, the financing converted. 00:31:45
Right, The next one last ones to the here are the financing is this is again the same you have 9 converting down to four with MFA, 00:31:54
7 megawatts of solar, but only 50%. So this would this assumes now that instead of being able to find enough grants and and 00:32:04
everything else to to get this down to almost three, you're only going to get 50% of it paid for and so. 00:32:14
That, that reduces the, that reduces the amount of the, we'll call it free energy. I mean, you're paying for it up front and then 00:32:24
you're getting it. You're getting it over time. But that what that does is it lowers the wholesale power cost that you're going to 00:32:30
have to buy from a Guzman or whoever, whoever you ultimately decided to buy your wholesale power from. So that's where that, 00:32:36
that's where that change comes from. 00:32:42
And in this case it produces. 00:32:50
About balanced, it's it's it's. 00:32:54
Meaning, you know, there's, there's probably some things we could skinny, there's some things that might come in fatter, but it's 00:32:57
about a balanced budget. So that, and that means that you do that and you, you won't make any more money. You won't be able to 00:33:04
lower rates initially, but but the rates won't go up and you'll own your utility. 00:33:10
And then again, this is assuming that the rates are the same as the co-ops. This is assuming the rates are the same as the co-ops. 00:33:18
And if you really want to be bored. 00:33:23
Edwards got all the data piled up and we can make that available to you as to how it came to those numbers and what the revenue 00:33:28
was. And he used those real bills that we actually got from the users, not from the coop, but from the users to for him to build 00:33:36
this scenario. So we built the we had made some assumptions back in 17 on what the load looked like and as it turns out the the 00:33:43
loads are really close. I mean it's. 00:33:51
There's the demand side is, is almost identical. Energy side is a little bit lower. We don't have, there's about 1515 potential 00:33:58
customers that we don't have data on. So and if you took those and if they, if you brought all that data and brought all that load 00:34:08
in, it should be about even with what we had assumed back in or what they had assumed back in 2017. So it's really close. 00:34:17
But yeah, that's that's what it produces a a balanced budget for an electric enterprise. 00:34:27
And the last one, we just do a quick little summary here. So that's what the numbers look like from a surplus or or deficit. 00:34:33
In in years, in years four and five under scenario 3, which is the worst one because you're not getting you're not getting a fully 00:34:46
funded solar facility. You've got years four and five. And the reason that those are that those are negative is that after. 00:34:55
You get started, you're going to have some equipment that has to be replaced and you're going to have to start a kind of a 00:35:05
rotating capital budget and and you're going to have to start feeding additional capital in the system as as things start to break 00:35:12
and as you start replacing things, as you start to grow the system. But that's what it that's what it'll ultimately look like. And 00:35:19
we can, we can send them all of this on APDF. Can we send that? Yeah, we'll send you all the information. 00:35:25
So the the all of them require significant grant funding or tax credits. Direct pay credits, not tax credits. 00:35:35
Um, they, they are, I mean, they're dependent on a, on a favorable bond market or a favorable decision from mortgage finance 00:35:44
authority. And that's, that's a, that's a big deal. And if you can't make, if you can't get the debt conversion, then the, the, 00:35:52
the whole thing, the tanks. So you have to get the debt conversion. 00:35:59
Do we have other, I would imagine we have other things that we've used there the the mortgage conversion for another projects, is 00:36:08
that pretty common? 00:36:13
I was going to ask Mary Ann, you know, you got a building that's being built for like 14,000,000 and you got 4 million from the 00:36:18
state and you have investors that got tax credits for investing into that and your debt services. I mean, so so there and I cast 00:36:25
actually helped them put that, that that building together. So these things yeah. And I I think NMFA did they tell us that they 00:36:32
financed. 00:36:39
Akamai or which one? 00:36:49
MFA did finance Akamai, they finance Takama electric Utility. So then so there is models for this. Yes, my question, yeah. My 00:36:51
question is, is the financing look feasible? Like I mean, obviously you're putting up there, we think it is, but have we gone 00:36:57
through that process before with anything else that we've done to where we we have a pretty good idea that we could get the 00:37:03
financing? 00:37:09
Financing right projects, we do it with, you know we've done it with the. 00:37:16
With a rodeo center, we've done it with that was a million. We've done it with the Convention Center. So yeah, I mean we've we've 00:37:22
done it within every Ruby probably can speak to it more than I can as to how she deals with and you know when we do with the 00:37:27
landfill, when we have to go out, we, you know, landfill sell with like a million something. Is that NMFA or is that somebody 00:37:33
else? 00:37:38
So, you know, we, we did a, we did A and for the budget, which Mr. Fleming, the chairman, we, we owe about $18 million. 00:37:47
In in loans that we've done through NMFA, USDA. So that so yeah, we just asked you a question. We've done that. The standard 00:38:05
financing would be I mean not myself and here is it the standard bond financing would be general obligation revenue bonds. So you 00:38:12
mean you put the you put the model together and then you. 00:38:20
Sell the You sell the bonds and you have to pay the bonds back with the revenue. So things change. 00:38:29
The only, the only stipulations that would be in the revenue bonds is that you, you have to have, you have to have an annual 00:38:35
projection for debt coverage. So if you're, if it's coming in low, you got to raise rates to cover the to cover the bonds and make 00:38:43
sure that your coverage ratios are adequate. Any one of those scenarios is assuming that we do get MFA or is there one that 00:38:50
doesn't? The first one is just bonds is just going after municipal bonds. 00:38:58
Fully fully bonded. 00:39:06
We've had a conference with MFA. 00:39:10
They were not very optimistic the first year because they need revenue numbers, but they said after that, once we give them the 00:39:14
revenue numbers and the amount of money that we need, they will then work with us. They also have a grant program, but we're not 00:39:21
going to be able to qualify for that. That's what they said. That was the bad news. But they, but they do have monies to fund and 00:39:28
like I said, they did Acumen Pueblo and we can you know, with their, with their electric utility. 00:39:35
And I don't know what that what was that at 8,000,009 million, but yeah, I think is 8 and a half million. So so they have they do 00:39:42
they do that. And just to clarify that is equipment that's to staff the project he has on that PDF if you want to go, I didn't 00:39:50
ask, I told that don't everybody's eyes will glaze up. But he built it from the bottom up with operating maintenance equipment, 00:39:57
substation, putting money away for replenishment. He's got all that. 00:40:05
You know he's got that in the. 00:40:12
Yes, so there's a. 00:40:14
In that last one in three, the 112 million, that's why you see him drop the earnings drop in the in year four is there's an 00:40:16
assumption for some replacement. So there's a new CapEx infusion that has to go in. So maybe like you know it's 125,110 thousand 00:40:23
of additional CapEx that needs to go in. 00:40:31
But that's a you know, it could be a truck. It could be, you know, it could be. 00:40:39
Just be equipment, whatever it might be. But he's built all that into the into the graph at the table. And so and he wanted to 00:40:44
pick out each one of them. You know, it comes to about 13 and a half million dollars with a, with a debt service and the, you 00:40:51
know, just the build out. Yeah, the build out of the substation and the substation to, to be honest. 00:40:59
The substation is a is a is a dual transformer sub. 00:41:08
Fully built out. 00:41:14
I mean, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful design. 00:41:16
And it's probably, I'd, I'd say it's probably 30% overbuilt for the initial project. So you know, there, there's A and there's a, 00:41:20
there's a potential there to be able to, if you don't think that it's going to, you don't think you're going to be able to grow 00:41:27
the load fast enough, you could start with the smaller Transformers or at least one smaller transformer and then and then upgrade 00:41:34
the, the second transformer later. 00:41:41
A bigger transformer and that, that would be, I mean it probably it reduced the cost by a couple $1,000,000. And it's that 00:41:48
there's, there's different options there. I think the big one is, I mean that the, the big number is the Transformers in the 00:41:54
substation. 00:41:59
And we had initially, like I said, we thought it would be 5 1/2 to 7 1/2 and it's a lot better. We were looking at, we just built 00:42:05
out a. 00:42:10
Well, it's it's a lot bigger, 345 KV. 00:42:17
Substation addition It was a three breaker ring out at Hickory a Hickory Apache Nation for 310 MW solar facilities and. 00:42:22
The initial numbers that we had were about 11 and a half million, twelve and a half million. That was back in early mid 19. And by 00:42:35
the time it got, we got everything done and got ready, pandemic hit supply, I mean everything hit and all of a sudden it turned 00:42:42
into about 15 1/2, almost 16,000,000. So just just in that time frame. So there's there's I mean there again, there's a lot of 00:42:49
there's a lot of other variables that are that are built in. So I think that. 00:42:57
The 16, I'm sorry, the 13 million for the substation is probably a pretty good solid number for right now and it's already, it's 00:43:05
already got a lot of extra cost built into it, so. 00:43:13
So those three, those 3 scenarios. 00:43:23
All depend on solar, reduce depend on solar. And So what I'm asking the council is that, and we've already you've already asked me 00:43:26
to be able to deal with ITAST. And so they're already working on trying to get the solar project put together given the funding. I 00:43:33
think the state has put out 125 million for rural and and people that are low income people. So we're we're in line for something 00:43:40
for that. So those are the things that we're going to be working on next. 00:43:47
And that is put together and like I said, he built it from the bottom up with his numbers and, and he'll share that with you. 00:43:56
We'll share that with the council. So you can look through each of the numbers about buying trucks, utility trucks, buying holes, 00:44:03
all that stuff for that area. And the last thing, but that's what I'm trying to get out there is that. 00:44:10
City debt service isn't going to be any different than than club debt. So I mean you borrow money, borrow money. So your your debt 00:44:17
structure is going to be pretty much identical. 00:44:22
Yours on a debt per revenue basis would be quite less because? 00:44:27
You're you're going to be in a much more dense build here. 00:44:34
The operations you would assume that you're going to pay people to do a job, then they're going to be about the same and then 00:44:38
power costs would be the assumption is the power costs are going to be significantly lower and we. 00:44:45
I can tell you that I believe that the fire costs will be significantly lower and the elections coming up, I'm sure the Fed is 00:44:54
going to help out. 00:44:58
Whoever needs it, it's going to go down by a percent. This is a scenario. And the other thing that I'm going to drop the other 00:45:02
foot on is a shoe on, not the foot. Is that Las Cruces about 12 years ago? 00:45:09
More than that. Oh yeah, Back in. I think they finished that in 1996 or 1997. Yeah, but 2526 years ago at least. 00:45:19
Soon the. 00:45:29
El Paso Electric and condemned their system for the use of the city winner. Our lawyer was involved in that and Las Cruces won 00:45:31
that case and I have the documents for you if you'd like to see those. And so condemnation is the other shoe dropping and that 00:45:39
would be for the whole city. And it hasn't given me any specific numbers, but if we took the whole city as a whole, financing and 00:45:47
paying for debt service is not going to be a problem. 00:45:55
We're trying to pick this industrial link together to see how we can do it. But if we took the whole system and we can develop 00:46:04
some numbers on that because we we have some information that I think we can build that from the bottom up too would not be a 00:46:12
problem in any problem. It would make revenue for the city. So that's the other shoe. But right now what we're waiting on is 00:46:19
trying to get some help with I cast to see what kind of grants are going to be available to us. 00:46:27
Into those 3 scenarios. 00:46:35
Answer the phone, man. Come on. 00:46:39
Your phone, but anyway. 00:46:42
Any questions from the council? Any questions? We got a bunch of people from the Co-op. Any questions from you guys? Ted Martinez 00:46:46
is here. Mr. Capps is here. Mr. Bowie just stepped out. Jared is here. We'll make this, you know, if our requests have been coming 00:46:53
hard and fast these days from the However, they want everything. They want to see my text from my wife. They want to see 00:47:00
everything. But when I ask request information from them. 00:47:07
Forget it. You're not going to get it. We don't have it. We can't even show it to you. So so we're, you know, we're trying to be 00:47:15
friendly to them, but they're not being very friendly to us. But I'm here. The house is open if you guys want to ask Mr. Reyes any 00:47:20
questions, Sir. 00:47:25
Jared, Mr. Boli, anybody want to ask any questions about our our future and our financing? You're more than happy to work. I put 00:47:32
them on the spot, but I'm more than happy to answer any other questions. 00:47:39
Correct. Can you repeat it right now? Can you repeat the question he was asking about the negative pricing. And so it's it's the 00:47:54
IM market, the EIN market. You have to be a participant in the IM market to be able to do it. But so right now we have. 00:48:03
One client now that's already built and the other one that's getting built and those will be two facilities that are going to be 00:48:14
in the IM. So they will be marked participating assets in California ISO and that's the way we're looking at them is that they are 00:48:21
a great market opportunity for that period of time in the if the. 00:48:28
I guess the market is negative then. You get paid to charge your batteries. 00:48:36
I what they're, what they're, what we're looking at is actually putting them in. I mean we're looking at putting them in the 00:48:44
market the best the battery, battery storage, putting them in the market as they load and then getting paid to charge during the 00:48:53
day for what now has been over three months straight of average about 8 hours a day. That's been negative. I don't know if it's. 00:49:01
Yeah, it's been, it was negative today for 7 1/2 hours, 7 hours. I mean since the 8:00 this morning, 8:00 this morning is about 14 00:49:11
bucks at 5:00 is $14.00 in California is 43 cents negative here. So there's negative all day long and it and it wasn't even that 00:49:18
windy last week when two weeks ago when it was really windy, we were negative $46 here and it was negative by 60 bucks in 00:49:25
California. So yeah, take advantage of those places. 00:49:32
Backing down to be able to. 00:49:42
Yeah, you have to. You have to be, you have to be under schedules and taking money and taking energy off the mark, off the IMF. 00:49:45
Yeah. 00:49:48
And the assumption is that in that their power supplier is going to be, you know, obviously they're in the market, so their power 00:49:53
supplier will manage that. So hand over the the best and then let them let them manage the resources that they have. They have 00:50:00
full access to it and they can run it however. And that's what we're doing with two different clients right now. 00:50:07
And we have. 00:50:15
By the end of next year, I think there will be a total of. 00:50:17
About 30, about 30 megawatts that will be sitting in the Cali, so as participating market resources. 00:50:21
You know, and I think there was a question, well, how are we going to do this? You know, we have consultants who are really up to 00:50:30
date and, and, and up to date with everything that's going on the electric market. And that's that's how we're going to do 00:50:36
businesses with people like Mr. Reyes and Nan Wenner and and are legal and I cash. So that's how we're proceeding. And the other 00:50:43
thing is Miss Chavez Lopez is not withstanding. We never went into executive session. We could have possibly gone into executive 00:50:49
session to discuss all these options. 00:50:55
There and we don't do that we are an open meeting tight public body and we don't we try to put sunshine on everything that we do. 00:51:02
We don't have executive session and if we did we wouldn't exclude certain members of our City Council from our executive session. 00:51:10
So so that's that's you know that's how the city does business and the public understands that I hope that we always are are are 00:51:17
open and and willing to have a discussion about what we're doing and we do that on behalf of the city and I think. 00:51:25
US selling electricity. 00:51:33
That would be the the way we would do it is do it in an open session type meeting and no hidden mystery black boxes. 00:51:34
And thank you again for coming down and, and having the meeting with us. And we will make available to the City Council all the 00:51:43
different calculations that he made. We're waiting for ICAST to see if we're going to be able to get that that grant to do the 00:51:49
planning. And once we get the grant to do the planning again, you authorize us to go ahead and work with our cast doesn't cost us 00:51:55
any money. They only get paid if they do well and they put that into the to the grant writing so that that's what we're doing 00:52:00
right now. 00:52:06
Pot of money that's available yeah and that that was something that just came what, two weeks ago, a week ago about looking at 00:52:50
bringing in that much solar. And so that that's that part I'd say it's not not fully ready for public consumption. I have to clean 00:52:58
it up a little bit because it was a big change and that's a $78 million just to let the council know that would be about A7 MW 00:53:07
right now they're running you know it's. 00:53:15
Right around about a dollar Watt and maybe a dollar four to a dollar dollar 12. But once you get up into that 5 to 710 MW range, 00:53:24
the the prices are coming down. It's back down to you know, could be down to 9293. Everything's starting to fall again. Finally, 00:53:33
how much is that big array? Do you know how much the one that we have? Well, the that one I'm not sure. 00:53:42
I think that one's all through Facebook. It was private funded. 00:53:51
The ones we have out at Hickory, it's 310, I know that. 00:53:55
The numbers that have been cast around are the the, the whole facility, everything included all the other, you know, all the, the 00:54:01
different investors are in about right around 300 million, a little over 300 million for. 00:54:08
But it's 310 megawatts. 00:54:16
And they're selling to P&M. They're selling 100 hundred megawatts of solar and 20 megawatts of battery storage to P&M under two 00:54:20
separate well 3 contracts plus one solar contract for what they call the P&M Solar Direct, which is. 00:54:29
Solar that PM is bringing into their system and then selling directly to, to the city and to a few different customers, just 00:54:39
industrial customers. No, Well, it's, it's very similar to what they're doing with Facebook. Facebook has 175 megawatts I think is 00:54:47
what they're up to now. I mean they, they have like 4 different facilities that they've built and they're bringing those in. PNM 00:54:54
buys it and then sells it to them basically just with a management fee and transmission. 00:55:01
That's how that and that's how this whole direct went. The other facility is part of the San Juan replacement. So in San Juan 00:55:10
retired, they went out to bed to go find replacement resources and the that's 50 megs of solar and 20 megs of battery storage. 00:55:18
That one is also that's under two different contracts, the solar by itself and the battery storage as an energy service agreement. 00:55:26
Those were public. You mean you can look at that. I think the battery storage has ended up being like 950 at kW month. 00:55:34
For the capacity charge for the use charge. 00:55:43
And then? 00:55:45
The solar for. 00:55:48
The first solar was 21 1/2 cent or 21 1/2 dollars, so 2147 or something like that. So literally 2.1 cents. That's what it was back 00:55:51
in 2018 when they did that project. And then of course things are a little bit more expensive now. But you know, when you get up 00:56:00
to that scale at 50 megs, 100 megs, then if the the cost have come down a bunch, I mean, they're now, they're still, they went up. 00:56:08
But they're still in the in the mid 30s and you can get a big project for the mid 30s or three cents, 3 1/2 cents. Mr. Parker to 00:56:18
follow up on Counselor Dean question. So you'll provide the spreadsheets or or the so that we can look that over. 00:56:25
Make it presentable so that you know you can follow. I'd hate to have I mean, it's it's my it's it's my, I call it somewhat almost 00:56:35
rudimentary work product that that I. 00:56:41
Build off of. 00:56:48
That wasn't meant for a full presentation, but I, I can all clean it and and and provide the the back the back energy for the the 00:56:50
back data for it. So you know when we can expect it around. 00:56:57
I'll work on it this week, maybe a couple weeks. OK, Thank you. Yeah, I just got to get it cleaned up and. 00:57:05
It has a lot of questions. There's a lot of things that are up here that aren't in there. 00:57:13
Thank you. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it. 00:57:19
OK. We have the ICIP hearing #2 Mr. Logan going to public hearing for the ICIP #2 second all in favor. Anyone out there that has 00:57:25
any additions to ICIP that we've been discussing? 00:57:34
Mr. Williams. 00:57:44
Mr. 00:57:49
After yesterday's ceremony, the only other thing that I think maybe we need to add on there is. 00:57:50
We started redoing the Veterans Parkway back in 2010, 2011, to get it to the point where it is now, which is very nice. But we're 00:57:57
going to need to do some upkeep. And then there's things we need to add to bring it up to date because the history of the park 00:58:04
stops at Vietnam. 00:58:10
Oh, yeah. So, Lloyd, I think we could get together if you can give us your specifics. I've got an idea, Mr. Put that updating the 00:58:17
Veterans Park. 00:58:22
And it doesn't matter where it's at, just that we have it on the list and get to it eventually so. 00:58:29
You're saying that as a veteran? 00:58:36
Don't say that, OK. I have another item that since we're already working on a on the Community Center remodel, I happen to go to 00:58:39
the community kitchen and the place is kind of looking a little getting a little old because, you know, I mean, it's been there a 00:58:47
while now, even though they're replacing a lot of equipment and doing good things in there. 00:58:54
I just kind of thought that maybe and I don't know whose responsibility, but the lighting seems to be very outdated and there's 00:59:02
there's a few things like that. I didn't know if we could incorporate that. 00:59:07
My only problem is that is the management has been so nebulous as to who's managing the community kitchen. We even offered to take 00:59:15
it over if they would turn over all the equipment to us and it would be a city project. It is not a city project. We just rent 00:59:21
them $100 a year with it. 00:59:28
A month, whatever. But it's not, it's not our project and we upgraded it. I think we put in Windows and I think we did some other 00:59:35
things, but we don't really get any regular regular. 00:59:41
Information about it? Well, it's my understanding that the Chamber of Commerce, whoever that is, is still involved. 00:59:50
Mirja has been trying to help them. They wrote some grants to get more equipment. So I think those folks are all kind of working 00:59:57
together so. 01:00:01
It would be nice if they give us a report quarterly or half every six months or something about what's going on in there. I was 01:00:06
just concerned that there were some people that were coming from Los Lunas because they were using that kitchen. I, you know, 01:00:11
that's when he's got plenty of money. 01:00:16
It is now called a regional community kitchen. It's not just a Socorro. 01:00:23
But anyway, that would be nice if somebody who was official would come and talk to us. I know Mr. Doctor Smoke and other people 01:00:34
had before, but I haven't heard from them for four or five years. 01:00:39
Should we go back into regular session? Make a motion to go back to regular session 2nd. 01:00:48
Moved and seconded on to Aye. Opposed the preliminary budget. Mr. Fleming, is there anything specific I'd like to say? Have 01:00:52
everybody pay attention to this wonderful girl over here who's put in many hours along with the budget committee. Ruby. OK, Mayor, 01:00:59
Council. So I have our preliminary budget. I met with a budget committee, Deborah, Mr. Fleming and Anton, and I'm just going to do 01:01:06
a quick outline. 01:01:14
So we have our beginning cash balances about 10 million. 01:01:22
Of that 10 million, about a million is it for reserves for all the loans we have general fund, I have revenue increase of about. 01:01:26
8% and expenditures are about 8% also. 01:01:35
That beginning cash balance would change once I do the fourth quarter and I do the final budget. 01:01:40
Join Enterprise. 01:01:46
Cash balance has gone down because we paid for the CNG trucks, the compactor. 01:01:49
I have reimbursements out for those one point 9,800,000 that we should be getting going to cash balance. We do have salary 01:01:54
increases about 14%, but in those salary increases, PRA went up, Health insurance went up 10% this year. I don't know if it's 01:02:00
going to go up next year, we don't know yet. 01:02:06
We have the police officers on the grant. We're at 25% this fiscal year, so we have to sustain the officers for giving them 01:02:13
raises. Senior Center, we're taking over Vegita. It's going to be two temp employees. The cooks will go full time. Linda will be a 01:02:20
director. We have a couple of positions going from temp to full time. Mayor has suggested that the operators get moved up there 01:02:28
handling backhoes, the garbage trucks. 01:02:36
So we're, we put them up, I can't quite put them at $20.00 an hour, but once they get through their certifications, we're looking 01:02:44
at probably close to 18, a little more. We do have schooling and training in the budget capital outlay. I'm working on police 01:02:50
fleet, looking on loan grants. That money would come out of EMS. It's about 6 vehicles. An ambulance is on order. We're looking at 01:02:55
about a year, but that was funded through the state 100%. There is a transportation ban on order. Hopefully we get it by the end 01:03:01
of this fiscal year. 01:03:07
There's going to be some capital outlay for landscaping, tennis courts. The mayor wants the landscaping around town several 01:03:14
places. The equipment pretty much we got pretty, we got the equipment that's needed. We do need a loader at the landfill and 01:03:22
that's like 365,000. So I'm going to look into possibly a loan or at least and see when at the Waysexpo. Actually the lowest if we 01:03:29
leased it, we're looking at like 9%. So interest rate is really up there. 01:03:37
The library. 01:04:17
They're changing, She's losing an employee, but she's had to move her employees within and not fill that vacancy. She's going to 01:04:19
wait a little bit and if she feels she needs to fill it, then we'll work with budget roads. There's a lot of projects going on. So 01:04:27
on Fund 309311, I'll do it on final budget because they just finished Fowler, they finished. 01:04:35
Which other streets? 01:04:45
We did receive a new compactor, we received a new CNG trucks and those are the two loans, sorry, our jet service, the two new 01:05:25
loans we got and then we did pay off the water line replacement loan. 01:05:31
But I don't know if you have any questions, Mr. 01:05:39
Mayor, you know, I want to thank the committee. 01:05:44
For working so hard and coming up with some very good ideas and the yellow lady behind the podium over there, and we're very 01:05:47
fortunate to have her because she stays on top of everything. 01:05:56
And keep us in the city of Flow. 01:06:07
Questions. 01:06:11
And the part in April, we whenever we gave, I think we gave admin raises. We had talked about you'd look at in July and I, I had 01:06:13
wrote down that yet it was said that everybody would be moved up in the city to $20.00 an hour or you would try to at that time. 01:06:19
Was that considered during the budget committee? 01:06:25
By January it was considered unfortunately you know where I'm working on that hopefully in final budget I did put. So I do have 01:06:31
increases in there, but just because it's a budget, I'll meet with committee and they'll decide who we move up. So I did put 01:06:39
across the board budget, but it's up to we decided to wait till like January to see where we're at. But like I said, the operators 01:06:46
were looking at getting them to close to $1820. The budget can't sustain that then I'd have to raise. 01:06:54
There's there's a 5% across the board. 01:07:02
Percent across the board budgeted in there then. And then there's specific, you know, the fire department, we're trying to bring 01:07:04
the fire department up. So we're working on that. Operators, we're trying to bring operators up. Unfortunately, laborers are going 01:07:10
to have to be laborers. I mean, unless they get certified for different things. The sewer plant, we're having problems keeping 01:07:16
people at certain. 01:07:22
Certifications, so we're trying to bring them up. So those we're we're getting poached from everybody. 01:07:30
And so we're trying to keep the people that have the certifications and trying to bring their salaries up. And those are going to 01:07:37
be more individual and there will be some some complaints. But the bottom line is to try to keep the people that have certificates 01:07:44
that are getting pushed by other cities and so forth. Those are the ones that we're considering bringing up. 01:07:51
And thank you. So I do have that budgeted. And then if they go to class or they get some kind of certifications like their water 01:07:58
level one level 2 fire department, they go all the way to I think a fire tube. I have all that budgeted. But if they don't hit 01:08:06
that in that budget, then they don't get that raise. But it's in, you know, I would like AI would like a, a, a perhaps some help 01:08:13
in how we would put that together. That's very difficult for me. 01:08:20
Miss Charlotte was also. Does everybody have the chance to get certified? I mean, if they come up to you and. 01:08:28
Everybody has that chance, Absolutely CDO's, we're just getting people that are getting CDL's at the Transportation department. We 01:08:35
had people here in the administration that got certified for federal projects. So everybody in each department, if they have 01:08:42
specific things they can give you certified, they have the availability to do that. 01:08:48
Mr. Suleimi, just at one point to have folks that were certified to maybe offer some tutoring or some evening classes to support 01:08:56
some of the folks that would like to get certified. So they have some place to go to ask questions to get some some help. I think 01:09:03
that's a good idea. Pay and we could pay that person a stipend or an hour, but eventually they're going to have to go to some 01:09:11
place that can stamp it for them. Yeah. So, yeah, just a tutor them up. How can we have two microphones? 01:09:18
I think we're missing a chair. 01:09:27
Sure. 01:09:31
I don't like any microphones and now I got two. OK the this right there. 01:09:34
See, but don't put it on your phone. 01:09:41
But anyway, so those, I mean, we are doing those things. You will hear, you know, Chelsea was consolidating a position. So we gave 01:09:45
one of their people some increase in salary. So, you know, we're, we're working on that. And I think that's is difficult from 01:09:51
administrative level to get everybody. And, and the big thing is the squeaky wheel will be listened to. So if there are squeaky 01:09:57
wheels, we're not going to hold it against them. Have them. I, I, I really don't want them to come to City Council, but I know 01:10:03
that's what happens. 01:10:09
Because you guys shouldn't be involved in personnel. But but if it does bring it to me and we'll look at that person and it'd be 01:10:16
nice for them to have the ability or the confidence to come in and talk to you. It's so hard. You know, they don't like talking to 01:10:21
me because I can. 01:10:26
Mean, but, but no, but bring it to the bring it from you guys and I'll be more than happy that we look at it and then, you know, 01:10:32
we've been here too long. If there's something that needs to be done for somebody and it they'll get moved up, you know, there's 01:10:38
no question about that. We'll do that. But you know, I mean, we're, we're headed, we were headed to $15.00 an hour and we achieved 01:10:44
it. 01:10:50
Now your hamburger is going to cost another 20% if we go to $20.00 an hour because McDonald's is going to say. 01:10:57
Big sign up saying $18.00 an hour for but but you know, that's the old story about rising tide. But I'm just saying that's that's 01:11:05
what the. 01:11:10
That's one of the problems and I believe like if they deserve to be paid, they deserve to be paid. I'm not saying, and I don't 01:11:17
know administration side of that. I just know that 5% for somebody making 100,000 versus 5% of somebody making $17.00 an hour is 01:11:22
significantly different. 01:11:27
Just bring me a name. You can do it anonymously or whatever. I actually don't have any names. I'm just curious from the from the 01:11:34
council meeting where we said in April we're going to try to just understanding the process as a new counselor, how the budget 01:11:40
works. It's coming. No, no, but it's coming, I think. 01:11:45
And I'll tell you, not this just a year, but the next fiscal year, I may have to raise property taxes to pay for the firefighters. 01:11:52
That did make some money available for police and we're going to try to get the firefighters moved up. I just saw on the Facebook 01:12:00
the, the starting is $40,000. You know, that's $20.00 an hour. That doesn't include for any benefits, which is about 20%. So I, I, 01:12:07
it's difficult. 20 is a good number to shoot for. We, we had a number to shoot at 15. I think I, when I stayed there was like 750 01:12:15
or 625. Yeah, I'm not even saying that's the right thing to do. I'm just following up on what we said, that's all I'm. 01:12:23
You guys are, you know. 01:12:32
And Joe, this is budgeted at 5%, but Deborah had brought that up and we decided, you know, in January we'll look to see if 01:12:33
somebody gets 2 1/2 by 7. You know, we, we will discuss that. 01:12:39
I'm sorry the core people left, but I hear that their union is in litigation with them right now. 01:12:47
For salaries. 01:12:53
I have to say that, Miss Dean, nevermind. Come on. No, we were, we had, we're not done with this, this discussion yet, but we had 01:12:55
to get the budget together. And you know, she's done a good job. And I think every meeting we talked about how we can make that 01:13:01
happen. 01:13:07
And you know, revenue is good. I mean revenue is good. And I can't, can't say that we're we're we're talking for, we're not doing 01:13:15
that. And we're trying to feed that into salaries, feed that into equipment. That's where we're at. 01:13:22
And just on that note, Christy told me today there's probably about 130 students that applied for the summer youth program. So it 01:13:31
went up from last year. So, you know, there are kids out there that want to work. So and I upped that also to 250,000. I had it at 01:13:37
165, but I up to 250, you know, so that's a benefit for the community. 01:13:43
Berlin is looking for an age police chief. I hope Angel Garcia is not there. Where is he? There he is. I thought you were applying 01:13:50
for the police chief, but I guess not. Did you see that where they he left to go to Alaska? 01:13:58
Has two years. They turn over every two years. We should do that more often. 01:14:07
That's not a headache, it's an action item. So if you make a motion, we pass resolution number 0018 at Preliminary budget. 01:14:14
Move to segment discussion all of favor Aye, the ambulance write off. Before you hear about this, I want to give tell you 01:14:24
something we've been working on. I haven't heard from Sandoval County, but there's a company that the state actually told us about 01:14:32
at the EMS meeting in Ruidoso that Chief Baca was at. And the company says that the city can put up some money and it goes to the 01:14:40
state. It doesn't go to that company that I wanted to make sure. 01:14:47
You can put up $211,000 and by March or February you'll get back the 211,000 + 500,000 because Medicaid has not been reimbursing 01:14:55
rural areas like it should be. So I just wanted to say that because there's an ambulance write offs, but I'm going to have to come 01:15:05
to the council with the resolution that you agree to that and we got to do it before the end of June. 01:15:15
Yes. So we can piggyback Sandoval County Artesia. 01:15:26
Las Cruces. Las Cruces. 01:15:33
Carlsbad. 01:15:37
So they've already done it, they've passed this resolution, but it means fronting $211,000. To me, that was like a Nigerian scam. 01:15:40
You know, you give us your bank account for 10,000, we'll give you another 40,000 in six months. But the check would be. 01:15:48
Well, it's secure because it goes to the state, which I don't trust either. But but, but a check will be written to the state of 01:15:59
New Mexico, not to this company. So that's Mr. Salome. 01:16:04
Uh. 01:16:10
Their plan in place for them to run their own ambulance service. We just feel that it's, that was a plan. That's the plan. That 01:16:22
was, was the plan. And they got an ambulance for that. However, I don't think they have the personnel to do it. And we're still 01:16:30
making trips to Magdalena. We're making trips. We're making 30% of all our trips. Agita, Magdalena, San Antonio, the Interstate 01:16:38
down to the, you know, county lines. So we're doing about 30% of that. And then I just the other day showed me a stack. I must 01:16:46
have been 200 bills. 01:16:54
That came back with no addresses. That's the people that were don't live in the city, so we are doing that. 01:17:02
We actually asked if they would trade us ambulances, an old one for the new one. Didn't get anyone. So you're right, we do go to 01:17:10
Magdalena. I understand the hospital was asked to get a transfer ambulance, but they turned us down. But you know, that's our 01:17:18
responsibility, just like it was with a Senior Center. We're going to, we're going to be there and support that. I just kind of 01:17:25
wheedled another 340,000. 01:17:33
To get a new ambulance. So we did get that money and so we're trying. But you're right, I mean, we're giving services that are 01:17:41
not. 01:17:45
Quote UN Quote paid for but. 01:17:50
What do you suggest? I'm not sure what they do. 01:17:53
I'm thinking that if we are providing these services to Magdalena and they're fine with that, well, I don't, I don't feel like 01:17:57
they'll ever try to step up and provide their own ambulance service. If we're doing it for them, they won't do it. I would need 01:18:03
the City Council to to put in a, put in a. 01:18:10
Request to the PRC to decrease our region because we are now we are. 01:18:18
Tariffs were tariffs for the county. 01:18:24
We're not tariffs just for the city. So our our responsibilities have to do with the county. That is that, I mean, I don't 01:18:28
understand it, but is that billed to like their medical insurance and then the city's reimbursed for it or no, We build it, we 01:18:34
collect it, we collect it. But I think she's about what, 70,000 short of 800,000? 01:18:40
So we collect, we collect, we collect 30 percent, 40%, but we're tariffed. If we build 1000, we get 300 and that's what this this 01:18:48
amount is being proposed. 01:18:54
Get back from the feds what we've lost. 01:19:00
But that means fronting 211,000 missions or providing services to people that need services. If you need an ambulance, I think 01:19:04
they should have an ambulance. But I feel that to, to raise rates or ask the residents of Socorro to pay a little bit more and, 01:19:11
and Magdalena's getting this service and maybe we're getting 30% of the, of what we're standing up there. And I, I just feel that 01:19:18
it's not, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the residents to do that. I think that if we had asked the mayor or the, the, the 01:19:26
council in Magalina. 01:19:33
New ambulance, I think they would they should say, you know what you should have a you will trade you that old ambulance for this 01:19:40
new ambulance for them to not want to negotiate or try to help out in any way tells me that, you know, they're probably not 01:19:46
looking at being a self sustained ambulance service for themselves. And as long as we're helping and I'm not saying cut them off 01:19:53
or that, but I am saying that I just don't think it's, it's incumbent on our residents to support outside Magalina, which I love 01:19:59
Magalino and and all that. 01:20:06
But it shouldn't be a responsibility of our community to do that. And and you know, if we raise property taxes to pay for EMT's 01:20:12
and fire, I mean, that's, that's going to be a question. And have we reached out to the mayor? I did and to the county Donald, Mr. 01:20:20
Mayor, I spoke with Mayor Rump at the dot transportation meeting in Williamsburg a couple weeks ago. And he really, he's looking 01:20:27
for ways to show his gratification for our services out there. He just hasn't found it in his budget yet. 01:20:34
It is not and it's not going to be much. He looked at it. He looked into his back pocket like, but you know, they do. I will. I do 01:20:42
not want to leave the county hanging though. They do. We build them 40,000 a year and up until I guess it's coming, you know, to 01:20:50
check us in the mail. But they actually paid back. They were, they were down 120,000 and we got them to pay up and I think they 01:20:58
owe us another 40. So they have been paying 40, but a new ambulance instead of 190,000 is 380,000. 01:21:06
Is doubled in price, the same box, the same engine? 01:21:15
Ours, I've got 300,000 miles on it because we do these transfers, Yeah. And if you multiply it 30% outside the county and you 01:21:21
collect 30%, that's 9%. 01:21:26
That's just that, you know, so you're not collecting, you know you're not collecting. 01:21:33
I mean, we keep our head above water, but that's because Amana works really hard at it. And, and Chief Bakash, we're trying to 01:21:38
keep the rolling stock rolling and it takes two years to get an ambulance. So we got to put the order in now. And I think he did. 01:21:45
He, he put in a yeah. So, so hopefully we'll, we'll keep rolling, keep passing or banking money to get the next ambulance will be 01:21:51
500,000. I mean, sure. 01:21:57
Unbelievable. 01:22:05
Well, thank Mr. Make a motion we passed resolution #01C-001 Move to 2nd discussion. All in favor utility bill charge of this is a 01:22:08
write off for the uncollected utility bills. These are all closed accounts and active accounts. What percentage of that Less than 01:22:15
1%. 01:22:23
So, Mr. Logan, make a motion for to pass resolution #24-05-28A. 01:22:31
Discussion all in favor. 01:22:41
And new business. Anybody got a new one more resolution? The Senior Center. Senior Center. I see. I'm sorry, Ruby. Senior Center, 01:22:44
ICLP. What's this all about? 2026 to 2030, that's like four years from now. 01:22:51
We're doing 2 years from now. 01:23:00
Mr. Mayor, I can help answer that. 01:23:03
The ICIP Lena Lena put this together, it's the same as. 01:23:06
Is the cities in a sense, but the city will have its own, which will come to a vote in July. Have our own way, our own IC IP. But 01:23:11
they, we like senior centers to have one because they have their own pot of money for capital outlay. So what does that say? We 01:23:19
have to develop one for them. We've, we've got the one from the, from the, that the county was using. And you updated it. Mr. 01:23:26
Rogan, make a motion pass resolution #24-05-28B move 2nd and all in favor, aye. 01:23:33
The new business. 01:23:41
No new business, Miss Dean. Oh, I just had to mention one thing. I also went to that meeting in Williamsburg last week or a couple 01:23:44
weeks ago. I was my first one representing Socorro for that transportation, transportation planning. I will say that Donald gave a 01:23:50
great presentation. 01:23:56
He we had two projects, Manzanaras and the area around the courthouse, they give us like a scoring sheet. You have all these 01:24:03
bullet points that they're supposed to hit on, yes. 01:24:08
On everything the best you got what, a million 7. 01:24:14
He will. He will ask. We moved. Maybe. Maybe we didn't. 01:24:21
I thought I saw the guys picking up recycling at the old Sands Motel location. We used to be at Trips. Is that a permanent spa? 01:24:26
What are you doing? 01:24:30
Can we make it more visible with signage? 01:24:38
They're supposed to be doing that. They have money to do it. Thank you. 01:24:42
Have fancy colored stuff and yeah, she's stuck on doing murals right now and Transformers, so she's going to do that, I think. 01:24:46
Councillor Dean was done on a Saturday. 01:24:54
Because I talked to Michael about that last week and he's considering taking away The Saturdays. He says there's no participation. 01:24:57
Well, I think if we made it more visible and. 01:25:02
We'll do, we'll do it, we'll get it. I don't want to do my recycling. So that's really no, that's certainly should be done. Well, 01:25:09
we need to sign it. They used to find the place in the Plaza, but if you just new locations available, I think people will show. 01:25:15
And then the truck was parked like way off. You couldn't see it from the street. I mean, it was way off. 01:25:21
I'm going to send to, Councillor, Dean said. You guys are hiding. 01:25:31
But anyway, no, that's we got to sign they have like 35,000 or something like that to make it more visible and do all the stuff 01:25:37
that they're supposed to do. And there's also more up to our ears and grants, but there's also recycling grants out there that 01:25:42
these programs. 01:25:47
And all the business have we done something we didn't say we're going to do, we didn't do. 01:25:55
You've got the old business out there, any anybody, anything from our department heads, Mr. Martinez. 01:26:01
N. 01:26:09
That's $7000 in the store and even though you make some Thai pocket useful. 01:26:12
In that area and we're excited to spend as much money as we can. 01:26:17
So that project won't be done and then. 01:26:22
A while, become a design for bathrooms and then I'm going to have a meeting so we can see what kind of what they want in that 01:26:27
room. You know, some of that stuff. So we're still taking a while, but it's moving. 01:26:33
Within a month we already got the pull up. We have the power there, we have everything passed through CID, so we're ready to put 01:26:41
it up. And you're talking about the sign at the. 01:26:47
And we did not get money to finish Cuba Rd. We do have 800,000 project with a million. 01:26:54
We asked for 400. We didn't get it. Speaking of Williamsburg, they got it. 01:27:05
Because the person on CDBG is from. 01:27:12
But anyway, so we're Mr. Amuna and Mr. Mayor, we're meeting with the people from Santa Fe tomorrow at 11 to discuss our options 01:27:16
with the grant that we did receive because we haven't signed the grant agreement yet because it would have committed us to the 01:27:21
400,000. 01:27:26
And Manzanaris, we're looking to extend that at least by the coop, but that we're trying to I think Donald presented that also. So 01:27:32
we're working on that walkway is Mr. Everything else is getting finished. Mr. How do you put in a new vote? Remember I told you 01:27:39
about limiter lane, not limiter. What is it? Santa Fe lane. Santa Fe lane. The drainage has got to be fixed on that before you 01:27:47
know, we did do a Cutler paving on that. 01:27:55
But the drainage is so bad on that South end that we have to load. I mean, that's something we have to do, but you're right. 01:28:03
Did we put? 01:28:11
Yup. 01:28:17
Sometimes on top of the ramp. So I mean that that that's, that's a big budget and you put a speed, did you put a speed bump out 01:28:25
there? 01:28:29
On Santa Fe Lane. 01:28:35
Main. 01:28:42
OK, I thought Kathleen wanted it on Santa Fe Lane Is your dirt file? 01:28:46
I should have just had a person reach out to me about like a children at play sign in in an area. Is it where would they go to 01:28:53
request that? Just tell me where you want to so it's. 01:29:00
Miguel told me there as Leroy turns into as you hit those 8 frames and you kind of come around that corner there that people drive 01:29:07
pretty quick, faster, turns into a nail. No Leroy going north-south, no north. And then I can't think of Mary Place, yes. 01:29:16
Oh, right. At the till end of that, they said that there's a lot of kids that play in that area and they just put it down, Put it 01:29:27
down. Thank you. They're old business. 01:29:32
All right. Job description, Donald. 01:29:39
The first job description is a Senior Center office assistant. They will be actually. This person got hired back in the fall and 01:29:47
we never had the job description approved, so we're asking the council to approve that. The others are what you discussed about 01:29:54
the changes at the library. They use services manager and the reference services. 01:30:01
2nd So again, second discussion all in favor, aye, the whole bunch of personnel changes. 01:30:10
Christian attorney Fire Mt 856 to 58 Robin Romero. Circulation manager, 42 to 44 Joe Jose Ruiz. B39 to B41. Marvel Tarango. This 01:30:20
is our library. 39 to 41 Carol Hale. Additional job duties, 42 to 44 Chelsea Jones. 01:30:30
66 to 68 and she's doing a great job with a lot of stuff. Has nothing to do with the library by the way, so keep working extra 01:30:41
stuff. 01:30:46
That's great. James Gomez, police officer, 62 and 63. Joseph Silva, police officer, completed Academy 62 to 63 as the lower senior 01:30:52
cook. Desiree Smiths, Senior Center office assistant and the Christopher Gonzalez, lead driver. Timothy Gonzalez, driver. And 01:31:00
that's all from the Senior Center and Kathy Spring Library. She is retiring. She's done a great job and hopefully we can give her 01:31:08
something to remember us by. 01:31:16
Maybe at the next meeting or whenever. 01:31:24
Put it put together, great. 01:31:27
Make a motion. We approve the personal list. 01:31:31
All in favor, aye. We've got Grego Propane and Service on Spring Street and Coronado Electrical, Vincent Gutierrez, commercial and 01:31:36
residential. 01:31:42
Mr. Mayor, again make a motion. We approve the business registration 2nd. 01:31:50
Moving to second all in favor, aye? What do you think about summer hours? 01:31:55
You want to do a lunch meeting and an evening meeting for June, July and August. I don't know what you want to do. 01:32:02
We are asking. 01:32:09
We're asking the council to cancel the actual June 4th meeting because the only thing on the agenda so far is the third one. Just 01:32:11
do one meeting on the 18th. Can we do that till September? 01:32:16
Huh. Yeah, yeah, just just for the summer. And Ruby brought up today that she would like the meeting in July on the 23rd. So, 01:32:24
well, whenever you want it, but try to make it once a month. How about that? 01:32:29
In the evening. 01:32:36
No more controversies. 01:32:38
I saw the Coop guys just took off after Edward. I hope they didn't kill him on the way out. 01:32:41
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Where's Polo? California. A lot of that guys were going to a Dodgers game. Well, let's see if you didn't have a job when he comes 00:00:00
back. 00:00:05
City Council meeting Tuesday, May 28th. Air Vascular here. Councillor Dean. Councillor Fleming. 00:00:10
Councilor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here, Councillor Salome here. We have a quorum. 00:00:20
United States of America and what she says. One nation under God, indivisible in liberty and justice for all. 00:00:34
Approval of the consent agenda. 00:00:52
Mr. Roosevelt. Mr. Romero. 00:00:55
Second discussion all in favor, aye. 00:01:01
And we're down to the public forum already. 00:01:06
Anybody any ideas? Yes ma'am. 00:01:10
Hi everyone. Amy Kimball here I. 00:01:15
I'm looking forward to the city pool being open and I looked at the hours today and I was surprised to see that it's just 00:01:19
scheduled to be open from Tuesday through Friday this year. Last year it was open on the weekends. And I assume this is something 00:01:26
to do with money and or logistics. And so I was wondering how and when the decision gets made about the city pool hours. I want to 00:01:32
point out that it's it's a really great resource. I don't, I don't have a family here myself and I have kids, but I assume that it 00:01:39
gets enough. 00:01:45
From last year to but also I know it's really. 00:01:52
It's a pretty important resource for community members who are training for the triathlon, which is at the beginning of August. 00:01:55
And it's going to be pretty difficult to do that with those hours for people who have a normal, normal work schedule. So just 00:02:01
wanted to mention that and ask. It's a good point, the two reasons maybe Lloyd or Donald want to speak to that or I can. 00:02:08
Without anything. 00:02:23
And it's posted because they, they, they, they recycle the water, they have chemicals to the water cool and then go. And then on 00:02:26
Monday they left. They recycle the water and then life car screening and then it's open. You know, it's Saturday. OK, I'm really 00:02:34
glad to hear that the hours posted online are, are wrong. Then it's do you know this Saturday hours? Is it still 12 to 4:30? 00:02:43
Sorry. 00:02:54
OK. 00:02:58
You know, the other problem we do have, and I'm glad they were here to answer that question, is finding lifeguards. It's not as 00:02:59
much as but the budget, but finding lifeguards and the other thing, we found that on Sunday. 00:03:06
Our numbers drop and so we have good for the first week or two and then the numbers drop and that is a budget question, but and I 00:03:14
are we charging this year. 00:03:19
It's not free online. 00:03:26
Yeah, so, and we're trying to get the Conservancy to help us because stay out of ditches. That's one of their big programs. And so 00:03:31
they they have helped us sponsor swim lessons and help us keep the pool open so that people don't go in the ditches. Michael. 00:03:39
Huh. 00:03:48
Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying the Conservancy hopefully will help us out. They gave us $10,000 for the past, I don't know how 00:03:51
many years. 00:03:54
It did also say actually that the swim lessons would be free for kids this year, so that's also wrong. 00:04:00
That's last year's. 00:04:11
Information. 00:04:13
Get a hearing aid. 00:04:17
Have you guys had a conversation back there? I don't know what are you talking about. 00:04:22
That. 00:04:29
It hasn't been updated. They haven't updated. We'll put it on. We'll put it online, we'll put it in the residential bills. We'll 00:04:30
get that information out, though. Glad you brought it up on this. Yeah, I'm just wondering. So. So I understand that the 00:04:38
lifeguards are typically high school students. That's what I was. Well, The thing is, Tech also takes a lot of the lifeguards, so 00:04:45
we always have problems. I mean, I don't know how the deal is this year, but when we raise their salaries to match Tech, so. 00:04:53
You know, that that's our biggest and now we do have a head lifeguard, but it's, it's always trouble getting life lifeguards. And 00:05:01
then we also sponsor the swim team. So, you know, they get they get a chance to do that also. So I mean, we're trying to get 00:05:06
everybody involved. 00:05:11
Sounds like you're doing what you can and the and the trilathalon is in August. Yep. So there is one other issue which also 00:05:18
happened last year. OK, again, it's the if the dates are from last year, then maybe this isn't totally relevant, but. 00:05:25
The pool actually closed about several days before the before the triathlon. It would have been nice to have it open for training 00:05:32
up until that, I think. Well, that's it. School's going to start very early this year, August 6th. 00:05:39
August 2nd, which sometimes when they when the schools open. 00:05:48
If, if the people can want to want to practice, we're going to have to get some waivers on lifeguards. And I think Lloyd, I mean, 00:05:55
we can try to, we do. Have we kept it open before? 00:06:01
Last year that wasn't the case. 00:06:15
Thank you. Or maybe it was. It wasn't clear until the last week. I kept asking. 00:06:17
Get that information out too. But it's it's summertime. We're getting ready to. I'm glad you brought that up a good subject. 00:06:29
Thanks a lot. Thank you anyone else who would like to make a comment. 00:06:35
Partridge is your wrestling pyramid. How was that? And it was, well, Steve Prue and the guys are throwing around. They're a 00:06:42
phenomenal job. It's getting easier and easier every year. They Is that right, Steve? 00:06:49
Is it getting easier and easier? 00:06:58
Yeah, it was 1038 participants. 00:07:02
A belly in it. And he's got a new roller. He's proud of his new. It really made a difference because the Mets weren't, you know, 00:07:46
they weren't. There wasn't a pool in the middle. So it turned out nice. That's an event that Mary Baskill, my wife and I flew the 00:07:54
owners down, but nine years ago, eight years ago. And they didn't want to do it because of the outdoor arena. And then COVID hit 00:08:02
and I called the owner back and said, hey, it was an outdoor event. Think about it and say, yeah, let's do it. 00:08:10
Came down three years ago, so it's increasingly got better. They've already confirmed that they'll be back next year. 00:08:18
Some of these little tokens, I told them, any guys give these to the counselors. There's a little Bible verse on the back from the 00:08:25
wrestling tournament, the name of its heroes, Conquest, and that the Maribel over there. 00:08:30
That's what the kids went for first place. 00:08:37
Yeah, that's the first. That's the championship belt. So it's a big organization. They do 27 shows around the country for for 00:08:43
youth wrestling. 00:08:47
Christian based organization, good, good folks. I think Mr. Fleming was in contact with me quite a bit for the sound and that's 00:08:53
that was really good and and Steve. 00:08:58
Seem to be, Yeah, we don't have any hiccups. 00:09:05
Put that Western Council. 00:09:09
Because the the wind was the wind was a challenge for that tournament for and the one we do in July 2, it's a little bit of a 00:09:14
challenge, but this is a plastic the whole arena. And then they use gaffers tape on the edge of the mat and they tape down. So now 00:09:19
the wind can't get underneath it. 00:09:25
The kids, it turned into an overnight event because they have to weigh in the day before the rest of the next day. So even though 00:10:10
it's one day event, it's typically two. So and the one we have in July is would be 3 days because it's, yeah, it's a three day 00:10:17
event. So it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Weren't they putting in a Wi-Fi line? I thought we were going to get that done. 00:10:24
Western. 00:10:32
Donald, Donald didn't say when we gave him that piece of property over there. They said they were gonna yesterday. We're gonna 00:10:34
hook us up to the, the Convention Center and the rodeo arena and RV park. I'll, I'll try to ready to follow up on that. 00:10:40
Well, I mean, we appreciate tech doing that, but I mean, we need to have, we need to have the. Yeah, definitely. There was an 00:10:49
Ethernet cable available that makes the up and down much faster because the Wi-Fi is great for things. But when we run the 00:10:56
computers, it's better if it's it's wired into a computer tower and then there's a switch and all those are wired. You guys got 00:11:03
everything on? Yeah. It's unbelievable how well they do. Yeah, it's pretty. 00:11:09
It's unbelievable and so, but thanks for the council support. Even before I was sitting here, the council's always supported 00:11:18
wrestling. Mayor Bhaskar has always been a big advocate for us, for wrestling and we appreciate that. 00:11:23
Lessons growing here and we're we're grateful for the opportunity to Russell here. So now we're planning to wrestle out the 00:11:29
support. Thank you guys. 00:11:32
Became a city councillor is on those and the good job you do with the community. Peter, how is the Memorial Day? That went very 00:11:37
well. We had a a great lineup of speakers and all yesterday it was well attended and just a wonderful ceremony. You know, I think 00:11:44
it's something important that we should do every year. 00:11:50
And we do it for veterans. And but I was really proud of the way the Veterans Park has come around and Lloyd and your your crew, 00:11:58
the Parks and Rec, they were there. Mr. Lopez and his. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it was really well done. Done. 00:12:07
OK, now I'm trying to install this but Ed you are. 00:12:18
This is a. As promised, you've got. 00:12:22
Ed Reyes, who is our financial and. 00:12:28
Special consultant for the electric, he's been given numbers that we got from hospital tech schools and he's put those together. 00:12:33
He has the worst scenario and he has the best scenario. So we're going to we're going to have him present to the council and we 00:12:39
may need. 00:12:45
Magnifying glass, but he's got a table of things that go from worst to best. 00:12:52
There you go, now at the bottom. 00:13:12
To do it in presentation mode. 00:13:15
At the bottom right. 00:13:18
And this scenario is the industrial park. 00:13:24
There's some big users there. There's also residential that we haven't really put in. But then we've also taken into account the 00:13:27
new junior high that's coming up. He's taken into account the revenue for that. 00:13:34
And the. 00:13:43
The thing that he will show you is, like I said, depending on how we get the money, at what percentage and if we get solar, how 00:13:45
would that work out? So he's got that all set up for you. Good mayor, counselors, thanks for having me. 00:13:52
Going to the first one, we'll just get rolling. So I wanted to give a little brief background of where you know where this 00:14:01
started. So if we go along goes all the way back to prior to 2015 even, but the last the study that was done, the original 00:14:06
feasibility state was done back in. 00:14:12
June of 17 by Forsgren. I did provide some some assistance for them with power supply and and a couple other analytics that that 00:14:18
we worked on that I worked on with them back then as well. There were two service options that were considered over ground and and 00:14:26
and overhead and underground. And the the initial cap cost capital X was you know, five and a half million or seven and a half 00:14:35
million with bond financing assumed that at 3 1/2% roughly. 00:14:43
The annual operating expense was about 3.75 to 3.9 and it included a power cost of $2.4 million a year. So the, and then the, the, 00:14:53
the way that the, the, the report was put together, it was making an assumption that the assumed rates that would be charged would 00:15:02
be at or at or below the SEC rates. Everything was measured against what the SEC rates were in the next. 00:15:11
Since then, a few things have happened since the 2017 had a pandemic, significant supply chain constraints and that's put a lot of 00:15:23
pressure on on the on substation, equipment, on holes, cable, you name it, everything, everything's gone up and it and it's been 00:15:31
harder to get the big push with solar and batteries. 00:15:40
Has also been a big issue solar batteries and, and the inverters, there's a lot of the components that are similar in the 00:15:49
inverters and a lot of the components for, for Transformers, for substation Transformers. And so substation Transformers in 00:15:58
particular have gone, gone sky high. They're probably around 2X of what they were back then in 2017. 00:16:07
Since then we had the Energy Transition Act which which accelerated development of solar and and battery storage projects all over 00:16:18
the state and and it is forcing some regional resource retirements. And so there are some, some supply constraints in certain 00:16:28
areas of P and MP and M closed down San Juan, they were trying to, they were trying to unload their share of four corners. 00:16:37
Coal plant which just recently got reversed and they'll be holding on to that until at least 2031. But generally in the regional 00:16:48
wide, regional wide, there are some resource constraints I. 00:16:55
Inflation, there's a little chart there. I mean, you know, back in 17 inflation is running around at 2.1% and right now for for 00:17:03
2024, the expectation is about 3.3. 00:17:10
But in 2022 it jumped as high as on an annual rate that year was 8%. So when you Add all that up, you get, you get a, a 00:17:18
significant increase in, in the, in the cost of pretty much everything. I mean, it's all 60% higher. Just about everything is 60% 00:17:26
higher on the material side. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I guess labor hasn't, you know, so people aren't making as much, 00:17:33
they're not making 60% more, but labor costs have gone up as well. 00:17:41
That on an average of about 11 to 12%. 00:17:49
So at any rate, that's that's what we're looking. I mean, June of 17 it was one the funds rate, federal funds rate was 1.16%. 00:17:53
Current federal funds rate right now is 5.33%. So those are the things that have changed since 2017. Next time. 00:18:01
So in the model itself, so I, I, I didn't have the, the original model that Forgegrind did. I took the, I took a lot of the 00:18:11
information that they provided back then. And then, and then we built a new model to take a look at what this would, what this 00:18:18
would look like. 00:18:26
So we had, as everyone knows, you have a, you had a preliminary substation and system design done for 260 grand or something like 00:18:35
that recently that came back with a preliminary design and an estimated cost of over 12 and a half million dollars. So it's the, 00:18:43
the old, if you remember the one before it was 5 1/2 and seven and a half and now it's 12 1/2. So yeah, the, the costs have gone 00:18:51
up a ton. Still looked at targeted loads in New Mexico tech schools and industrial corridor. 00:18:58
That does include city accounts, doesn't include. Apparently it doesn't include the the chargers. We'll have to find that. We'll 00:19:07
figure out where that is. Yeah, we have to figure out where that is. 00:19:13
So what I did and and I've done this on on a cup for a couple of different clients, but we built, I built a ground up operational 00:19:20
model based on a standard municipal budget. So it took there's, there's like three or four different communities in. 00:19:30
New Mexico and in Colorado and one in Utah that, that I'm able to pull data down for their standard budgets and I can take them 00:19:40
line by line and build a line item budget all the way up to what it would a, what an electric utility budget should look like. So 00:19:49
people, capital, materials, everything. It's 100 and 8200 lines of budget budget items. 00:19:57
So that was developed. I did that from the from the from the bottom up. We did update the wholesale power supply cost power supply 00:20:08
back then was expected to be about 3.8 to 4.2. That was the that was the range that we were looking at at the time in 2017. 00:20:18
With the resource constraints. 00:20:29
Last year was probably closer to $55 a MW hour. That's five, you know, that's, that's a lot. So five and a half cents per kWh just 00:20:31
for the energy. And then you have to add everything else on up from 3.8 to 4.2. So that that went up significantly, 20 to 25%. 00:20:41
That said, that is starting to abate if you look at. In fact, I was just showing them today. 00:20:54
California ISO, what they call the energy imbalance market, which is what the, all the marketers and, and all the utilities, if 00:21:01
they need energy at any given time during the day, there's they and they're out of balance. So their supply is low, but their load 00:21:07
is high. They got to buy it from the market. And if their supply is too high and they're loaded and show up, then they're selling 00:21:14
it into the market. Well, right now with all the wind and all the solar that's been built and developed and installed over the 00:21:21
course of the last 2-3 years. 00:21:27
For the last three months the the New Mexico, the New Mexico, what they call L&P is the location pricing. The pricing for energy 00:21:35
has been negative for about 10 to 12 hours a day. So starting at, you know, 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning, prices are are literally 00:21:44
dipping to zero and then below 0. So today when we looked it was 5:30 in the afternoon, 530 in the evening. California prices were 00:21:53
$4.00 negative and New Mexico prices were $0.40 negative. 00:22:02
MW hours. It's I mean it so you get paid. They're paying us to use. They would be yeah, you if you were, if you were sure you 00:22:11
would be getting paid to take energy off of the system because the wind was blowing and it's sunny and there's a ton of it. That 00:22:18
also does create an opportunity for putting in batteries because for the last 3 1/2 months, during the day, you would have been 00:22:25
paid to charge your batteries and then you could discharge them whenever you wanted with free energy. 00:22:33
So anyway, that's the, that's some of the things that have changed and some of them we didn't. We don't have that in the model 00:22:40
right now. And then on options for financing, we still looked at municipal bonds, at the federal funds rates. We're looking at 00:22:46
5.3. That was 5.3, four we think. 00:22:52
I think by time by time you could get everything moving. 00:23:00
Expectation is we're going to see about a percentage percentage point decrease I. 00:23:05
Feds already started to make some chatter about it and I think the first one should come maybe in June, if not in June. We're 00:23:11
expecting to see one at least in August and then another one in October and potentially in December. So we should see 3/4 of a 00:23:17
percent between now and the end of the year and then by by this time next year, probably a full percentage point down. So that 00:23:23
would bring that federal funds rate down from 5.3 down to about four, four and a half, four and a quarter. So that that's that's 00:23:28
what we're expecting. 00:23:34
Private and bank financing so. 00:23:41
One of the proposals that you had back in 2017 was from Guzman, who you've met. 00:23:45
And they had, they had proposed an offer to finance the building. Well, finance the capital needs to get everything started. 00:23:52
That's that is that's, that's one of the assumptions in that second one and then the third one. But in either of those cases after 00:24:01
one year of operations, we would have the city would apply to NMMFA and try to get. 00:24:07
Mortgage Finance Authority money which at the time when in 17 or we were looking at this. 00:24:15
MFA when he was, it was about 1.7%. So that's Donald. What did they tell us for? Yeah, they're four. They're about at 4 now. Yeah, 00:24:20
they're still, they're still kind of, yeah, they're still lower than fed funds rate. But yeah, they're, it's right around one. 00:24:28
They expect again, the expectation is about 4% once you get that converted and then the, the, the other is the same type of 00:24:35
financing. 00:24:43
We've assumed that we're going to do we're going to do you're going to do solar in this model and significant amount of solar. You 00:24:51
know you, you was that. No, it wasn't here. It was at the Convention Center back in the fall, I believe when the guys from ICAST 00:24:58
came and went through the presentation on on going after different grant money and they they've already identified three or four 00:25:05
different grants that that are potential. There's one for the state of Mexico that just got awarded other than 560 million or 00:25:12
something like that. That's. 00:25:18
One that just got awarded recently and that's that solar for all. So that's, that's one that the state will the state doesn't have 00:25:26
all the rules out yet, but as soon as those rules out, they'll start playing for those grants as well. OK, next one. And that's in 00:25:33
the process just for the the the council to know Donald with the deadline was at the end of June or was it the 300,000 for the 00:25:41
planning grant? Yes, Sir. I think it's around the 25th of June 25th. So we've already started on that process. 00:25:49
Yeah, that's the planning grant for professional services that they'll pay for. 00:25:57
There they'll get a grant so that the grant pays for the design citing all of the other you mean you have to do a, you have to do 00:26:02
a, a phase one environmental study and you got to do art study and you got to do all of that. This would that grant would pay for 00:26:09
all that to get the site developed basically and ready for construction. So moving to the results, again, this is the first one, 00:26:16
but fully blind financed. Look at the federal funds rate. It's actually more like an MFA rate. We're looking at like somewhere 00:26:22
around 4%. 00:26:29
Installation of about 7 megawatts or solar, funded through federal and state grants. 00:26:37
Well, federal and state grant, state grants, federal, some federal grants. And then also anything that does come out from the city 00:26:42
would come under their direct pay, which is the IRA has for solar for for solar development, for public, for public entities. You 00:26:51
weren't able before to take the tax credits because you don't pay taxes. 00:26:59
And what they changed there was they put this new, new program for direct funding. So you go spend the money and then you apply to 00:27:09
the IRS and then the IRS gives you the gives you the the tax credits and in the form of a check. And so right now. 00:27:19
You're already you would get the 30% tax credit for solar renewables that's already baked in. And then you would apply for low 00:27:30
income 'cause there's AI believe the city would end up qualifying for low income community. And so that would also go into that go 00:27:38
into those grants as well. So that's and that's 40% off of the top. So that's, I mean, that's kind of a given. And then I cast is 00:27:46
looking at another 20 to 50% in grants. 00:27:54
That they would get so it could be up to I'm not fully funded, but pretty darn close to fully funded. That's what this one looks 00:28:03
at pretty much fully funded service to all the city facilities, tech schools, industrial corridor, about 200 plus accounts and 00:28:10
little almost 8 megawatts of peak demand produces an enterprise surplus of about a half, $1,000,000 average over the first five 00:28:18
years. So each year or one year average per year. 00:28:25
That's it. And that's, that's solar. No, that's for the whole, that's for the entire utility, the utility itself, enterprise fund. 00:28:35
So if you build the utility, get it running over the first five years, the expectation is you'd get about it. You'd have about a 00:28:42
half, $1,000,000 of, of surplus based on, based on leaving rates the same. So if they were the same as SC CS rates would be, it 00:28:48
would be, you'd have about 1/2 a million in surplus. 00:28:55
I mean that that. 00:29:04
Says that you don't change the rates if you change the rates, obviously you lower the rates and you would eat up surplus. But it's 00:29:06
however it's how you want, however you want to look at it, you know, and and whether or not City Schools, hospital, everyone wants 00:29:13
to get slightly lower rates or do they want to help fund other benefits into the city. So however that you know, whatever you want 00:29:20
to do that. And next one is the council know these are packages. I don't know if you see how each bullet point is. 00:29:28
And those packages have to deal with 9% or 4% loan to build the the substation. Plus if you're able to get enough solar at a very 00:29:36
low cost for nothing, you can feed into the grid and not really be paying anything for electricity. And the first scenario 00:29:44
generates funds even though your your debt service might be at $1,000,000. 00:29:52
And so that's that's those are each one of those bullets are for that package. 00:30:03
In each one of these scenarios that we ran on the operational budget is almost identical to to what they had assumed back in 2017. 00:30:08
That part didn't change much because. 00:30:15
There were when I, I don't, I never saw their full build up from the ground up. So I don't know how exactly how they did it, but 00:30:23
but the, the, the budget that I put together is on on an equal basis with three different municipal utilities in the state. So 00:30:30
it's real close. 00:30:37
Again, this would have installation of first the private bank and financing. So you would start out with private financing at 00:30:46
something like 9%. 00:30:50
Operate for a year or two or a year and a half, however long it would take to get MFA financing. MFA wants the one year of 00:30:56
operational experience prior to doing a loan conversion. So we do converted financing after, you know, 12 to 16 months, 18 months, 00:31:02
convert that note and then take on an MFA mortgage for the, for the balance of that period. And it's, it was figured at 20 years 00:31:09
as well. 00:31:16
Same services, tech, schools, hospital. 00:31:25
Cities, city buildings and then that one produces a surplus of 32,000 for the first year, first two years and then half a million 00:31:29
after the conversion. So you know, you, you still, you're losing out on in the beginning because you're paying a ton in financing 00:31:37
cost, but it picks up after you get the, the, the financing converted. 00:31:45
Right, The next one last ones to the here are the financing is this is again the same you have 9 converting down to four with MFA, 00:31:54
7 megawatts of solar, but only 50%. So this would this assumes now that instead of being able to find enough grants and and 00:32:04
everything else to to get this down to almost three, you're only going to get 50% of it paid for and so. 00:32:14
That, that reduces the, that reduces the amount of the, we'll call it free energy. I mean, you're paying for it up front and then 00:32:24
you're getting it. You're getting it over time. But that what that does is it lowers the wholesale power cost that you're going to 00:32:30
have to buy from a Guzman or whoever, whoever you ultimately decided to buy your wholesale power from. So that's where that, 00:32:36
that's where that change comes from. 00:32:42
And in this case it produces. 00:32:50
About balanced, it's it's it's. 00:32:54
Meaning, you know, there's, there's probably some things we could skinny, there's some things that might come in fatter, but it's 00:32:57
about a balanced budget. So that, and that means that you do that and you, you won't make any more money. You won't be able to 00:33:04
lower rates initially, but but the rates won't go up and you'll own your utility. 00:33:10
And then again, this is assuming that the rates are the same as the co-ops. This is assuming the rates are the same as the co-ops. 00:33:18
And if you really want to be bored. 00:33:23
Edwards got all the data piled up and we can make that available to you as to how it came to those numbers and what the revenue 00:33:28
was. And he used those real bills that we actually got from the users, not from the coop, but from the users to for him to build 00:33:36
this scenario. So we built the we had made some assumptions back in 17 on what the load looked like and as it turns out the the 00:33:43
loads are really close. I mean it's. 00:33:51
There's the demand side is, is almost identical. Energy side is a little bit lower. We don't have, there's about 1515 potential 00:33:58
customers that we don't have data on. So and if you took those and if they, if you brought all that data and brought all that load 00:34:08
in, it should be about even with what we had assumed back in or what they had assumed back in 2017. So it's really close. 00:34:17
But yeah, that's that's what it produces a a balanced budget for an electric enterprise. 00:34:27
And the last one, we just do a quick little summary here. So that's what the numbers look like from a surplus or or deficit. 00:34:33
In in years, in years four and five under scenario 3, which is the worst one because you're not getting you're not getting a fully 00:34:46
funded solar facility. You've got years four and five. And the reason that those are that those are negative is that after. 00:34:55
You get started, you're going to have some equipment that has to be replaced and you're going to have to start a kind of a 00:35:05
rotating capital budget and and you're going to have to start feeding additional capital in the system as as things start to break 00:35:12
and as you start replacing things, as you start to grow the system. But that's what it that's what it'll ultimately look like. And 00:35:19
we can, we can send them all of this on APDF. Can we send that? Yeah, we'll send you all the information. 00:35:25
So the the all of them require significant grant funding or tax credits. Direct pay credits, not tax credits. 00:35:35
Um, they, they are, I mean, they're dependent on a, on a favorable bond market or a favorable decision from mortgage finance 00:35:44
authority. And that's, that's a, that's a big deal. And if you can't make, if you can't get the debt conversion, then the, the, 00:35:52
the whole thing, the tanks. So you have to get the debt conversion. 00:35:59
Do we have other, I would imagine we have other things that we've used there the the mortgage conversion for another projects, is 00:36:08
that pretty common? 00:36:13
I was going to ask Mary Ann, you know, you got a building that's being built for like 14,000,000 and you got 4 million from the 00:36:18
state and you have investors that got tax credits for investing into that and your debt services. I mean, so so there and I cast 00:36:25
actually helped them put that, that that building together. So these things yeah. And I I think NMFA did they tell us that they 00:36:32
financed. 00:36:39
Akamai or which one? 00:36:49
MFA did finance Akamai, they finance Takama electric Utility. So then so there is models for this. Yes, my question, yeah. My 00:36:51
question is, is the financing look feasible? Like I mean, obviously you're putting up there, we think it is, but have we gone 00:36:57
through that process before with anything else that we've done to where we we have a pretty good idea that we could get the 00:37:03
financing? 00:37:09
Financing right projects, we do it with, you know we've done it with the. 00:37:16
With a rodeo center, we've done it with that was a million. We've done it with the Convention Center. So yeah, I mean we've we've 00:37:22
done it within every Ruby probably can speak to it more than I can as to how she deals with and you know when we do with the 00:37:27
landfill, when we have to go out, we, you know, landfill sell with like a million something. Is that NMFA or is that somebody 00:37:33
else? 00:37:38
So, you know, we, we did a, we did A and for the budget, which Mr. Fleming, the chairman, we, we owe about $18 million. 00:37:47
In in loans that we've done through NMFA, USDA. So that so yeah, we just asked you a question. We've done that. The standard 00:38:05
financing would be I mean not myself and here is it the standard bond financing would be general obligation revenue bonds. So you 00:38:12
mean you put the you put the model together and then you. 00:38:20
Sell the You sell the bonds and you have to pay the bonds back with the revenue. So things change. 00:38:29
The only, the only stipulations that would be in the revenue bonds is that you, you have to have, you have to have an annual 00:38:35
projection for debt coverage. So if you're, if it's coming in low, you got to raise rates to cover the to cover the bonds and make 00:38:43
sure that your coverage ratios are adequate. Any one of those scenarios is assuming that we do get MFA or is there one that 00:38:50
doesn't? The first one is just bonds is just going after municipal bonds. 00:38:58
Fully fully bonded. 00:39:06
We've had a conference with MFA. 00:39:10
They were not very optimistic the first year because they need revenue numbers, but they said after that, once we give them the 00:39:14
revenue numbers and the amount of money that we need, they will then work with us. They also have a grant program, but we're not 00:39:21
going to be able to qualify for that. That's what they said. That was the bad news. But they, but they do have monies to fund and 00:39:28
like I said, they did Acumen Pueblo and we can you know, with their, with their electric utility. 00:39:35
And I don't know what that what was that at 8,000,009 million, but yeah, I think is 8 and a half million. So so they have they do 00:39:42
they do that. And just to clarify that is equipment that's to staff the project he has on that PDF if you want to go, I didn't 00:39:50
ask, I told that don't everybody's eyes will glaze up. But he built it from the bottom up with operating maintenance equipment, 00:39:57
substation, putting money away for replenishment. He's got all that. 00:40:05
You know he's got that in the. 00:40:12
Yes, so there's a. 00:40:14
In that last one in three, the 112 million, that's why you see him drop the earnings drop in the in year four is there's an 00:40:16
assumption for some replacement. So there's a new CapEx infusion that has to go in. So maybe like you know it's 125,110 thousand 00:40:23
of additional CapEx that needs to go in. 00:40:31
But that's a you know, it could be a truck. It could be, you know, it could be. 00:40:39
Just be equipment, whatever it might be. But he's built all that into the into the graph at the table. And so and he wanted to 00:40:44
pick out each one of them. You know, it comes to about 13 and a half million dollars with a, with a debt service and the, you 00:40:51
know, just the build out. Yeah, the build out of the substation and the substation to, to be honest. 00:40:59
The substation is a is a is a dual transformer sub. 00:41:08
Fully built out. 00:41:14
I mean, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful design. 00:41:16
And it's probably, I'd, I'd say it's probably 30% overbuilt for the initial project. So you know, there, there's A and there's a, 00:41:20
there's a potential there to be able to, if you don't think that it's going to, you don't think you're going to be able to grow 00:41:27
the load fast enough, you could start with the smaller Transformers or at least one smaller transformer and then and then upgrade 00:41:34
the, the second transformer later. 00:41:41
A bigger transformer and that, that would be, I mean it probably it reduced the cost by a couple $1,000,000. And it's that 00:41:48
there's, there's different options there. I think the big one is, I mean that the, the big number is the Transformers in the 00:41:54
substation. 00:41:59
And we had initially, like I said, we thought it would be 5 1/2 to 7 1/2 and it's a lot better. We were looking at, we just built 00:42:05
out a. 00:42:10
Well, it's it's a lot bigger, 345 KV. 00:42:17
Substation addition It was a three breaker ring out at Hickory a Hickory Apache Nation for 310 MW solar facilities and. 00:42:22
The initial numbers that we had were about 11 and a half million, twelve and a half million. That was back in early mid 19. And by 00:42:35
the time it got, we got everything done and got ready, pandemic hit supply, I mean everything hit and all of a sudden it turned 00:42:42
into about 15 1/2, almost 16,000,000. So just just in that time frame. So there's there's I mean there again, there's a lot of 00:42:49
there's a lot of other variables that are that are built in. So I think that. 00:42:57
The 16, I'm sorry, the 13 million for the substation is probably a pretty good solid number for right now and it's already, it's 00:43:05
already got a lot of extra cost built into it, so. 00:43:13
So those three, those 3 scenarios. 00:43:23
All depend on solar, reduce depend on solar. And So what I'm asking the council is that, and we've already you've already asked me 00:43:26
to be able to deal with ITAST. And so they're already working on trying to get the solar project put together given the funding. I 00:43:33
think the state has put out 125 million for rural and and people that are low income people. So we're we're in line for something 00:43:40
for that. So those are the things that we're going to be working on next. 00:43:47
And that is put together and like I said, he built it from the bottom up with his numbers and, and he'll share that with you. 00:43:56
We'll share that with the council. So you can look through each of the numbers about buying trucks, utility trucks, buying holes, 00:44:03
all that stuff for that area. And the last thing, but that's what I'm trying to get out there is that. 00:44:10
City debt service isn't going to be any different than than club debt. So I mean you borrow money, borrow money. So your your debt 00:44:17
structure is going to be pretty much identical. 00:44:22
Yours on a debt per revenue basis would be quite less because? 00:44:27
You're you're going to be in a much more dense build here. 00:44:34
The operations you would assume that you're going to pay people to do a job, then they're going to be about the same and then 00:44:38
power costs would be the assumption is the power costs are going to be significantly lower and we. 00:44:45
I can tell you that I believe that the fire costs will be significantly lower and the elections coming up, I'm sure the Fed is 00:44:54
going to help out. 00:44:58
Whoever needs it, it's going to go down by a percent. This is a scenario. And the other thing that I'm going to drop the other 00:45:02
foot on is a shoe on, not the foot. Is that Las Cruces about 12 years ago? 00:45:09
More than that. Oh yeah, Back in. I think they finished that in 1996 or 1997. Yeah, but 2526 years ago at least. 00:45:19
Soon the. 00:45:29
El Paso Electric and condemned their system for the use of the city winner. Our lawyer was involved in that and Las Cruces won 00:45:31
that case and I have the documents for you if you'd like to see those. And so condemnation is the other shoe dropping and that 00:45:39
would be for the whole city. And it hasn't given me any specific numbers, but if we took the whole city as a whole, financing and 00:45:47
paying for debt service is not going to be a problem. 00:45:55
We're trying to pick this industrial link together to see how we can do it. But if we took the whole system and we can develop 00:46:04
some numbers on that because we we have some information that I think we can build that from the bottom up too would not be a 00:46:12
problem in any problem. It would make revenue for the city. So that's the other shoe. But right now what we're waiting on is 00:46:19
trying to get some help with I cast to see what kind of grants are going to be available to us. 00:46:27
Into those 3 scenarios. 00:46:35
Answer the phone, man. Come on. 00:46:39
Your phone, but anyway. 00:46:42
Any questions from the council? Any questions? We got a bunch of people from the Co-op. Any questions from you guys? Ted Martinez 00:46:46
is here. Mr. Capps is here. Mr. Bowie just stepped out. Jared is here. We'll make this, you know, if our requests have been coming 00:46:53
hard and fast these days from the However, they want everything. They want to see my text from my wife. They want to see 00:47:00
everything. But when I ask request information from them. 00:47:07
Forget it. You're not going to get it. We don't have it. We can't even show it to you. So so we're, you know, we're trying to be 00:47:15
friendly to them, but they're not being very friendly to us. But I'm here. The house is open if you guys want to ask Mr. Reyes any 00:47:20
questions, Sir. 00:47:25
Jared, Mr. Boli, anybody want to ask any questions about our our future and our financing? You're more than happy to work. I put 00:47:32
them on the spot, but I'm more than happy to answer any other questions. 00:47:39
Correct. Can you repeat it right now? Can you repeat the question he was asking about the negative pricing. And so it's it's the 00:47:54
IM market, the EIN market. You have to be a participant in the IM market to be able to do it. But so right now we have. 00:48:03
One client now that's already built and the other one that's getting built and those will be two facilities that are going to be 00:48:14
in the IM. So they will be marked participating assets in California ISO and that's the way we're looking at them is that they are 00:48:21
a great market opportunity for that period of time in the if the. 00:48:28
I guess the market is negative then. You get paid to charge your batteries. 00:48:36
I what they're, what they're, what we're looking at is actually putting them in. I mean we're looking at putting them in the 00:48:44
market the best the battery, battery storage, putting them in the market as they load and then getting paid to charge during the 00:48:53
day for what now has been over three months straight of average about 8 hours a day. That's been negative. I don't know if it's. 00:49:01
Yeah, it's been, it was negative today for 7 1/2 hours, 7 hours. I mean since the 8:00 this morning, 8:00 this morning is about 14 00:49:11
bucks at 5:00 is $14.00 in California is 43 cents negative here. So there's negative all day long and it and it wasn't even that 00:49:18
windy last week when two weeks ago when it was really windy, we were negative $46 here and it was negative by 60 bucks in 00:49:25
California. So yeah, take advantage of those places. 00:49:32
Backing down to be able to. 00:49:42
Yeah, you have to. You have to be, you have to be under schedules and taking money and taking energy off the mark, off the IMF. 00:49:45
Yeah. 00:49:48
And the assumption is that in that their power supplier is going to be, you know, obviously they're in the market, so their power 00:49:53
supplier will manage that. So hand over the the best and then let them let them manage the resources that they have. They have 00:50:00
full access to it and they can run it however. And that's what we're doing with two different clients right now. 00:50:07
And we have. 00:50:15
By the end of next year, I think there will be a total of. 00:50:17
About 30, about 30 megawatts that will be sitting in the Cali, so as participating market resources. 00:50:21
You know, and I think there was a question, well, how are we going to do this? You know, we have consultants who are really up to 00:50:30
date and, and, and up to date with everything that's going on the electric market. And that's that's how we're going to do 00:50:36
businesses with people like Mr. Reyes and Nan Wenner and and are legal and I cash. So that's how we're proceeding. And the other 00:50:43
thing is Miss Chavez Lopez is not withstanding. We never went into executive session. We could have possibly gone into executive 00:50:49
session to discuss all these options. 00:50:55
There and we don't do that we are an open meeting tight public body and we don't we try to put sunshine on everything that we do. 00:51:02
We don't have executive session and if we did we wouldn't exclude certain members of our City Council from our executive session. 00:51:10
So so that's that's you know that's how the city does business and the public understands that I hope that we always are are are 00:51:17
open and and willing to have a discussion about what we're doing and we do that on behalf of the city and I think. 00:51:25
US selling electricity. 00:51:33
That would be the the way we would do it is do it in an open session type meeting and no hidden mystery black boxes. 00:51:34
And thank you again for coming down and, and having the meeting with us. And we will make available to the City Council all the 00:51:43
different calculations that he made. We're waiting for ICAST to see if we're going to be able to get that that grant to do the 00:51:49
planning. And once we get the grant to do the planning again, you authorize us to go ahead and work with our cast doesn't cost us 00:51:55
any money. They only get paid if they do well and they put that into the to the grant writing so that that's what we're doing 00:52:00
right now. 00:52:06
Pot of money that's available yeah and that that was something that just came what, two weeks ago, a week ago about looking at 00:52:50
bringing in that much solar. And so that that's that part I'd say it's not not fully ready for public consumption. I have to clean 00:52:58
it up a little bit because it was a big change and that's a $78 million just to let the council know that would be about A7 MW 00:53:07
right now they're running you know it's. 00:53:15
Right around about a dollar Watt and maybe a dollar four to a dollar dollar 12. But once you get up into that 5 to 710 MW range, 00:53:24
the the prices are coming down. It's back down to you know, could be down to 9293. Everything's starting to fall again. Finally, 00:53:33
how much is that big array? Do you know how much the one that we have? Well, the that one I'm not sure. 00:53:42
I think that one's all through Facebook. It was private funded. 00:53:51
The ones we have out at Hickory, it's 310, I know that. 00:53:55
The numbers that have been cast around are the the, the whole facility, everything included all the other, you know, all the, the 00:54:01
different investors are in about right around 300 million, a little over 300 million for. 00:54:08
But it's 310 megawatts. 00:54:16
And they're selling to P&M. They're selling 100 hundred megawatts of solar and 20 megawatts of battery storage to P&M under two 00:54:20
separate well 3 contracts plus one solar contract for what they call the P&M Solar Direct, which is. 00:54:29
Solar that PM is bringing into their system and then selling directly to, to the city and to a few different customers, just 00:54:39
industrial customers. No, Well, it's, it's very similar to what they're doing with Facebook. Facebook has 175 megawatts I think is 00:54:47
what they're up to now. I mean they, they have like 4 different facilities that they've built and they're bringing those in. PNM 00:54:54
buys it and then sells it to them basically just with a management fee and transmission. 00:55:01
That's how that and that's how this whole direct went. The other facility is part of the San Juan replacement. So in San Juan 00:55:10
retired, they went out to bed to go find replacement resources and the that's 50 megs of solar and 20 megs of battery storage. 00:55:18
That one is also that's under two different contracts, the solar by itself and the battery storage as an energy service agreement. 00:55:26
Those were public. You mean you can look at that. I think the battery storage has ended up being like 950 at kW month. 00:55:34
For the capacity charge for the use charge. 00:55:43
And then? 00:55:45
The solar for. 00:55:48
The first solar was 21 1/2 cent or 21 1/2 dollars, so 2147 or something like that. So literally 2.1 cents. That's what it was back 00:55:51
in 2018 when they did that project. And then of course things are a little bit more expensive now. But you know, when you get up 00:56:00
to that scale at 50 megs, 100 megs, then if the the cost have come down a bunch, I mean, they're now, they're still, they went up. 00:56:08
But they're still in the in the mid 30s and you can get a big project for the mid 30s or three cents, 3 1/2 cents. Mr. Parker to 00:56:18
follow up on Counselor Dean question. So you'll provide the spreadsheets or or the so that we can look that over. 00:56:25
Make it presentable so that you know you can follow. I'd hate to have I mean, it's it's my it's it's my, I call it somewhat almost 00:56:35
rudimentary work product that that I. 00:56:41
Build off of. 00:56:48
That wasn't meant for a full presentation, but I, I can all clean it and and and provide the the back the back energy for the the 00:56:50
back data for it. So you know when we can expect it around. 00:56:57
I'll work on it this week, maybe a couple weeks. OK, Thank you. Yeah, I just got to get it cleaned up and. 00:57:05
It has a lot of questions. There's a lot of things that are up here that aren't in there. 00:57:13
Thank you. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it. 00:57:19
OK. We have the ICIP hearing #2 Mr. Logan going to public hearing for the ICIP #2 second all in favor. Anyone out there that has 00:57:25
any additions to ICIP that we've been discussing? 00:57:34
Mr. Williams. 00:57:44
Mr. 00:57:49
After yesterday's ceremony, the only other thing that I think maybe we need to add on there is. 00:57:50
We started redoing the Veterans Parkway back in 2010, 2011, to get it to the point where it is now, which is very nice. But we're 00:57:57
going to need to do some upkeep. And then there's things we need to add to bring it up to date because the history of the park 00:58:04
stops at Vietnam. 00:58:10
Oh, yeah. So, Lloyd, I think we could get together if you can give us your specifics. I've got an idea, Mr. Put that updating the 00:58:17
Veterans Park. 00:58:22
And it doesn't matter where it's at, just that we have it on the list and get to it eventually so. 00:58:29
You're saying that as a veteran? 00:58:36
Don't say that, OK. I have another item that since we're already working on a on the Community Center remodel, I happen to go to 00:58:39
the community kitchen and the place is kind of looking a little getting a little old because, you know, I mean, it's been there a 00:58:47
while now, even though they're replacing a lot of equipment and doing good things in there. 00:58:54
I just kind of thought that maybe and I don't know whose responsibility, but the lighting seems to be very outdated and there's 00:59:02
there's a few things like that. I didn't know if we could incorporate that. 00:59:07
My only problem is that is the management has been so nebulous as to who's managing the community kitchen. We even offered to take 00:59:15
it over if they would turn over all the equipment to us and it would be a city project. It is not a city project. We just rent 00:59:21
them $100 a year with it. 00:59:28
A month, whatever. But it's not, it's not our project and we upgraded it. I think we put in Windows and I think we did some other 00:59:35
things, but we don't really get any regular regular. 00:59:41
Information about it? Well, it's my understanding that the Chamber of Commerce, whoever that is, is still involved. 00:59:50
Mirja has been trying to help them. They wrote some grants to get more equipment. So I think those folks are all kind of working 00:59:57
together so. 01:00:01
It would be nice if they give us a report quarterly or half every six months or something about what's going on in there. I was 01:00:06
just concerned that there were some people that were coming from Los Lunas because they were using that kitchen. I, you know, 01:00:11
that's when he's got plenty of money. 01:00:16
It is now called a regional community kitchen. It's not just a Socorro. 01:00:23
But anyway, that would be nice if somebody who was official would come and talk to us. I know Mr. Doctor Smoke and other people 01:00:34
had before, but I haven't heard from them for four or five years. 01:00:39
Should we go back into regular session? Make a motion to go back to regular session 2nd. 01:00:48
Moved and seconded on to Aye. Opposed the preliminary budget. Mr. Fleming, is there anything specific I'd like to say? Have 01:00:52
everybody pay attention to this wonderful girl over here who's put in many hours along with the budget committee. Ruby. OK, Mayor, 01:00:59
Council. So I have our preliminary budget. I met with a budget committee, Deborah, Mr. Fleming and Anton, and I'm just going to do 01:01:06
a quick outline. 01:01:14
So we have our beginning cash balances about 10 million. 01:01:22
Of that 10 million, about a million is it for reserves for all the loans we have general fund, I have revenue increase of about. 01:01:26
8% and expenditures are about 8% also. 01:01:35
That beginning cash balance would change once I do the fourth quarter and I do the final budget. 01:01:40
Join Enterprise. 01:01:46
Cash balance has gone down because we paid for the CNG trucks, the compactor. 01:01:49
I have reimbursements out for those one point 9,800,000 that we should be getting going to cash balance. We do have salary 01:01:54
increases about 14%, but in those salary increases, PRA went up, Health insurance went up 10% this year. I don't know if it's 01:02:00
going to go up next year, we don't know yet. 01:02:06
We have the police officers on the grant. We're at 25% this fiscal year, so we have to sustain the officers for giving them 01:02:13
raises. Senior Center, we're taking over Vegita. It's going to be two temp employees. The cooks will go full time. Linda will be a 01:02:20
director. We have a couple of positions going from temp to full time. Mayor has suggested that the operators get moved up there 01:02:28
handling backhoes, the garbage trucks. 01:02:36
So we're, we put them up, I can't quite put them at $20.00 an hour, but once they get through their certifications, we're looking 01:02:44
at probably close to 18, a little more. We do have schooling and training in the budget capital outlay. I'm working on police 01:02:50
fleet, looking on loan grants. That money would come out of EMS. It's about 6 vehicles. An ambulance is on order. We're looking at 01:02:55
about a year, but that was funded through the state 100%. There is a transportation ban on order. Hopefully we get it by the end 01:03:01
of this fiscal year. 01:03:07
There's going to be some capital outlay for landscaping, tennis courts. The mayor wants the landscaping around town several 01:03:14
places. The equipment pretty much we got pretty, we got the equipment that's needed. We do need a loader at the landfill and 01:03:22
that's like 365,000. So I'm going to look into possibly a loan or at least and see when at the Waysexpo. Actually the lowest if we 01:03:29
leased it, we're looking at like 9%. So interest rate is really up there. 01:03:37
The library. 01:04:17
They're changing, She's losing an employee, but she's had to move her employees within and not fill that vacancy. She's going to 01:04:19
wait a little bit and if she feels she needs to fill it, then we'll work with budget roads. There's a lot of projects going on. So 01:04:27
on Fund 309311, I'll do it on final budget because they just finished Fowler, they finished. 01:04:35
Which other streets? 01:04:45
We did receive a new compactor, we received a new CNG trucks and those are the two loans, sorry, our jet service, the two new 01:05:25
loans we got and then we did pay off the water line replacement loan. 01:05:31
But I don't know if you have any questions, Mr. 01:05:39
Mayor, you know, I want to thank the committee. 01:05:44
For working so hard and coming up with some very good ideas and the yellow lady behind the podium over there, and we're very 01:05:47
fortunate to have her because she stays on top of everything. 01:05:56
And keep us in the city of Flow. 01:06:07
Questions. 01:06:11
And the part in April, we whenever we gave, I think we gave admin raises. We had talked about you'd look at in July and I, I had 01:06:13
wrote down that yet it was said that everybody would be moved up in the city to $20.00 an hour or you would try to at that time. 01:06:19
Was that considered during the budget committee? 01:06:25
By January it was considered unfortunately you know where I'm working on that hopefully in final budget I did put. So I do have 01:06:31
increases in there, but just because it's a budget, I'll meet with committee and they'll decide who we move up. So I did put 01:06:39
across the board budget, but it's up to we decided to wait till like January to see where we're at. But like I said, the operators 01:06:46
were looking at getting them to close to $1820. The budget can't sustain that then I'd have to raise. 01:06:54
There's there's a 5% across the board. 01:07:02
Percent across the board budgeted in there then. And then there's specific, you know, the fire department, we're trying to bring 01:07:04
the fire department up. So we're working on that. Operators, we're trying to bring operators up. Unfortunately, laborers are going 01:07:10
to have to be laborers. I mean, unless they get certified for different things. The sewer plant, we're having problems keeping 01:07:16
people at certain. 01:07:22
Certifications, so we're trying to bring them up. So those we're we're getting poached from everybody. 01:07:30
And so we're trying to keep the people that have the certifications and trying to bring their salaries up. And those are going to 01:07:37
be more individual and there will be some some complaints. But the bottom line is to try to keep the people that have certificates 01:07:44
that are getting pushed by other cities and so forth. Those are the ones that we're considering bringing up. 01:07:51
And thank you. So I do have that budgeted. And then if they go to class or they get some kind of certifications like their water 01:07:58
level one level 2 fire department, they go all the way to I think a fire tube. I have all that budgeted. But if they don't hit 01:08:06
that in that budget, then they don't get that raise. But it's in, you know, I would like AI would like a, a, a perhaps some help 01:08:13
in how we would put that together. That's very difficult for me. 01:08:20
Miss Charlotte was also. Does everybody have the chance to get certified? I mean, if they come up to you and. 01:08:28
Everybody has that chance, Absolutely CDO's, we're just getting people that are getting CDL's at the Transportation department. We 01:08:35
had people here in the administration that got certified for federal projects. So everybody in each department, if they have 01:08:42
specific things they can give you certified, they have the availability to do that. 01:08:48
Mr. Suleimi, just at one point to have folks that were certified to maybe offer some tutoring or some evening classes to support 01:08:56
some of the folks that would like to get certified. So they have some place to go to ask questions to get some some help. I think 01:09:03
that's a good idea. Pay and we could pay that person a stipend or an hour, but eventually they're going to have to go to some 01:09:11
place that can stamp it for them. Yeah. So, yeah, just a tutor them up. How can we have two microphones? 01:09:18
I think we're missing a chair. 01:09:27
Sure. 01:09:31
I don't like any microphones and now I got two. OK the this right there. 01:09:34
See, but don't put it on your phone. 01:09:41
But anyway, so those, I mean, we are doing those things. You will hear, you know, Chelsea was consolidating a position. So we gave 01:09:45
one of their people some increase in salary. So, you know, we're, we're working on that. And I think that's is difficult from 01:09:51
administrative level to get everybody. And, and the big thing is the squeaky wheel will be listened to. So if there are squeaky 01:09:57
wheels, we're not going to hold it against them. Have them. I, I, I really don't want them to come to City Council, but I know 01:10:03
that's what happens. 01:10:09
Because you guys shouldn't be involved in personnel. But but if it does bring it to me and we'll look at that person and it'd be 01:10:16
nice for them to have the ability or the confidence to come in and talk to you. It's so hard. You know, they don't like talking to 01:10:21
me because I can. 01:10:26
Mean, but, but no, but bring it to the bring it from you guys and I'll be more than happy that we look at it and then, you know, 01:10:32
we've been here too long. If there's something that needs to be done for somebody and it they'll get moved up, you know, there's 01:10:38
no question about that. We'll do that. But you know, I mean, we're, we're headed, we were headed to $15.00 an hour and we achieved 01:10:44
it. 01:10:50
Now your hamburger is going to cost another 20% if we go to $20.00 an hour because McDonald's is going to say. 01:10:57
Big sign up saying $18.00 an hour for but but you know, that's the old story about rising tide. But I'm just saying that's that's 01:11:05
what the. 01:11:10
That's one of the problems and I believe like if they deserve to be paid, they deserve to be paid. I'm not saying, and I don't 01:11:17
know administration side of that. I just know that 5% for somebody making 100,000 versus 5% of somebody making $17.00 an hour is 01:11:22
significantly different. 01:11:27
Just bring me a name. You can do it anonymously or whatever. I actually don't have any names. I'm just curious from the from the 01:11:34
council meeting where we said in April we're going to try to just understanding the process as a new counselor, how the budget 01:11:40
works. It's coming. No, no, but it's coming, I think. 01:11:45
And I'll tell you, not this just a year, but the next fiscal year, I may have to raise property taxes to pay for the firefighters. 01:11:52
That did make some money available for police and we're going to try to get the firefighters moved up. I just saw on the Facebook 01:12:00
the, the starting is $40,000. You know, that's $20.00 an hour. That doesn't include for any benefits, which is about 20%. So I, I, 01:12:07
it's difficult. 20 is a good number to shoot for. We, we had a number to shoot at 15. I think I, when I stayed there was like 750 01:12:15
or 625. Yeah, I'm not even saying that's the right thing to do. I'm just following up on what we said, that's all I'm. 01:12:23
You guys are, you know. 01:12:32
And Joe, this is budgeted at 5%, but Deborah had brought that up and we decided, you know, in January we'll look to see if 01:12:33
somebody gets 2 1/2 by 7. You know, we, we will discuss that. 01:12:39
I'm sorry the core people left, but I hear that their union is in litigation with them right now. 01:12:47
For salaries. 01:12:53
I have to say that, Miss Dean, nevermind. Come on. No, we were, we had, we're not done with this, this discussion yet, but we had 01:12:55
to get the budget together. And you know, she's done a good job. And I think every meeting we talked about how we can make that 01:13:01
happen. 01:13:07
And you know, revenue is good. I mean revenue is good. And I can't, can't say that we're we're we're talking for, we're not doing 01:13:15
that. And we're trying to feed that into salaries, feed that into equipment. That's where we're at. 01:13:22
And just on that note, Christy told me today there's probably about 130 students that applied for the summer youth program. So it 01:13:31
went up from last year. So, you know, there are kids out there that want to work. So and I upped that also to 250,000. I had it at 01:13:37
165, but I up to 250, you know, so that's a benefit for the community. 01:13:43
Berlin is looking for an age police chief. I hope Angel Garcia is not there. Where is he? There he is. I thought you were applying 01:13:50
for the police chief, but I guess not. Did you see that where they he left to go to Alaska? 01:13:58
Has two years. They turn over every two years. We should do that more often. 01:14:07
That's not a headache, it's an action item. So if you make a motion, we pass resolution number 0018 at Preliminary budget. 01:14:14
Move to segment discussion all of favor Aye, the ambulance write off. Before you hear about this, I want to give tell you 01:14:24
something we've been working on. I haven't heard from Sandoval County, but there's a company that the state actually told us about 01:14:32
at the EMS meeting in Ruidoso that Chief Baca was at. And the company says that the city can put up some money and it goes to the 01:14:40
state. It doesn't go to that company that I wanted to make sure. 01:14:47
You can put up $211,000 and by March or February you'll get back the 211,000 + 500,000 because Medicaid has not been reimbursing 01:14:55
rural areas like it should be. So I just wanted to say that because there's an ambulance write offs, but I'm going to have to come 01:15:05
to the council with the resolution that you agree to that and we got to do it before the end of June. 01:15:15
Yes. So we can piggyback Sandoval County Artesia. 01:15:26
Las Cruces. Las Cruces. 01:15:33
Carlsbad. 01:15:37
So they've already done it, they've passed this resolution, but it means fronting $211,000. To me, that was like a Nigerian scam. 01:15:40
You know, you give us your bank account for 10,000, we'll give you another 40,000 in six months. But the check would be. 01:15:48
Well, it's secure because it goes to the state, which I don't trust either. But but, but a check will be written to the state of 01:15:59
New Mexico, not to this company. So that's Mr. Salome. 01:16:04
Uh. 01:16:10
Their plan in place for them to run their own ambulance service. We just feel that it's, that was a plan. That's the plan. That 01:16:22
was, was the plan. And they got an ambulance for that. However, I don't think they have the personnel to do it. And we're still 01:16:30
making trips to Magdalena. We're making trips. We're making 30% of all our trips. Agita, Magdalena, San Antonio, the Interstate 01:16:38
down to the, you know, county lines. So we're doing about 30% of that. And then I just the other day showed me a stack. I must 01:16:46
have been 200 bills. 01:16:54
That came back with no addresses. That's the people that were don't live in the city, so we are doing that. 01:17:02
We actually asked if they would trade us ambulances, an old one for the new one. Didn't get anyone. So you're right, we do go to 01:17:10
Magdalena. I understand the hospital was asked to get a transfer ambulance, but they turned us down. But you know, that's our 01:17:18
responsibility, just like it was with a Senior Center. We're going to, we're going to be there and support that. I just kind of 01:17:25
wheedled another 340,000. 01:17:33
To get a new ambulance. So we did get that money and so we're trying. But you're right, I mean, we're giving services that are 01:17:41
not. 01:17:45
Quote UN Quote paid for but. 01:17:50
What do you suggest? I'm not sure what they do. 01:17:53
I'm thinking that if we are providing these services to Magdalena and they're fine with that, well, I don't, I don't feel like 01:17:57
they'll ever try to step up and provide their own ambulance service. If we're doing it for them, they won't do it. I would need 01:18:03
the City Council to to put in a, put in a. 01:18:10
Request to the PRC to decrease our region because we are now we are. 01:18:18
Tariffs were tariffs for the county. 01:18:24
We're not tariffs just for the city. So our our responsibilities have to do with the county. That is that, I mean, I don't 01:18:28
understand it, but is that billed to like their medical insurance and then the city's reimbursed for it or no, We build it, we 01:18:34
collect it, we collect it. But I think she's about what, 70,000 short of 800,000? 01:18:40
So we collect, we collect, we collect 30 percent, 40%, but we're tariffed. If we build 1000, we get 300 and that's what this this 01:18:48
amount is being proposed. 01:18:54
Get back from the feds what we've lost. 01:19:00
But that means fronting 211,000 missions or providing services to people that need services. If you need an ambulance, I think 01:19:04
they should have an ambulance. But I feel that to, to raise rates or ask the residents of Socorro to pay a little bit more and, 01:19:11
and Magdalena's getting this service and maybe we're getting 30% of the, of what we're standing up there. And I, I just feel that 01:19:18
it's not, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the residents to do that. I think that if we had asked the mayor or the, the, the 01:19:26
council in Magalina. 01:19:33
New ambulance, I think they would they should say, you know what you should have a you will trade you that old ambulance for this 01:19:40
new ambulance for them to not want to negotiate or try to help out in any way tells me that, you know, they're probably not 01:19:46
looking at being a self sustained ambulance service for themselves. And as long as we're helping and I'm not saying cut them off 01:19:53
or that, but I am saying that I just don't think it's, it's incumbent on our residents to support outside Magalina, which I love 01:19:59
Magalino and and all that. 01:20:06
But it shouldn't be a responsibility of our community to do that. And and you know, if we raise property taxes to pay for EMT's 01:20:12
and fire, I mean, that's, that's going to be a question. And have we reached out to the mayor? I did and to the county Donald, Mr. 01:20:20
Mayor, I spoke with Mayor Rump at the dot transportation meeting in Williamsburg a couple weeks ago. And he really, he's looking 01:20:27
for ways to show his gratification for our services out there. He just hasn't found it in his budget yet. 01:20:34
It is not and it's not going to be much. He looked at it. He looked into his back pocket like, but you know, they do. I will. I do 01:20:42
not want to leave the county hanging though. They do. We build them 40,000 a year and up until I guess it's coming, you know, to 01:20:50
check us in the mail. But they actually paid back. They were, they were down 120,000 and we got them to pay up and I think they 01:20:58
owe us another 40. So they have been paying 40, but a new ambulance instead of 190,000 is 380,000. 01:21:06
Is doubled in price, the same box, the same engine? 01:21:15
Ours, I've got 300,000 miles on it because we do these transfers, Yeah. And if you multiply it 30% outside the county and you 01:21:21
collect 30%, that's 9%. 01:21:26
That's just that, you know, so you're not collecting, you know you're not collecting. 01:21:33
I mean, we keep our head above water, but that's because Amana works really hard at it. And, and Chief Bakash, we're trying to 01:21:38
keep the rolling stock rolling and it takes two years to get an ambulance. So we got to put the order in now. And I think he did. 01:21:45
He, he put in a yeah. So, so hopefully we'll, we'll keep rolling, keep passing or banking money to get the next ambulance will be 01:21:51
500,000. I mean, sure. 01:21:57
Unbelievable. 01:22:05
Well, thank Mr. Make a motion we passed resolution #01C-001 Move to 2nd discussion. All in favor utility bill charge of this is a 01:22:08
write off for the uncollected utility bills. These are all closed accounts and active accounts. What percentage of that Less than 01:22:15
1%. 01:22:23
So, Mr. Logan, make a motion for to pass resolution #24-05-28A. 01:22:31
Discussion all in favor. 01:22:41
And new business. Anybody got a new one more resolution? The Senior Center. Senior Center. I see. I'm sorry, Ruby. Senior Center, 01:22:44
ICLP. What's this all about? 2026 to 2030, that's like four years from now. 01:22:51
We're doing 2 years from now. 01:23:00
Mr. Mayor, I can help answer that. 01:23:03
The ICIP Lena Lena put this together, it's the same as. 01:23:06
Is the cities in a sense, but the city will have its own, which will come to a vote in July. Have our own way, our own IC IP. But 01:23:11
they, we like senior centers to have one because they have their own pot of money for capital outlay. So what does that say? We 01:23:19
have to develop one for them. We've, we've got the one from the, from the, that the county was using. And you updated it. Mr. 01:23:26
Rogan, make a motion pass resolution #24-05-28B move 2nd and all in favor, aye. 01:23:33
The new business. 01:23:41
No new business, Miss Dean. Oh, I just had to mention one thing. I also went to that meeting in Williamsburg last week or a couple 01:23:44
weeks ago. I was my first one representing Socorro for that transportation, transportation planning. I will say that Donald gave a 01:23:50
great presentation. 01:23:56
He we had two projects, Manzanaras and the area around the courthouse, they give us like a scoring sheet. You have all these 01:24:03
bullet points that they're supposed to hit on, yes. 01:24:08
On everything the best you got what, a million 7. 01:24:14
He will. He will ask. We moved. Maybe. Maybe we didn't. 01:24:21
I thought I saw the guys picking up recycling at the old Sands Motel location. We used to be at Trips. Is that a permanent spa? 01:24:26
What are you doing? 01:24:30
Can we make it more visible with signage? 01:24:38
They're supposed to be doing that. They have money to do it. Thank you. 01:24:42
Have fancy colored stuff and yeah, she's stuck on doing murals right now and Transformers, so she's going to do that, I think. 01:24:46