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	Where's Polo? California. A lot of that guys were going to a Dodgers game. Well, let's see if you didn't have a job when he comes	00:00:00
	back.	00:00:05
	City Council meeting Tuesday, May 28th. Air Vascular here. Councillor Dean. Councillor Fleming.	00:00:10
	Councilor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here, Councillor Salome here. We have a quorum.	00:00:20
	United States of America and what she says. One nation under God, indivisible in liberty and justice for all.	00:00:34
	Approval of the consent agenda.	00:00:52
	Mr. Roosevelt. Mr. Romero.	00:00:55
	Second discussion all in favor, aye.	00:01:01
	And we're down to the public forum already.	00:01:06
	Anybody any ideas? Yes ma'am.	00:01:10
	Hi everyone. Amy Kimball here I.	00:01:15
	I'm looking forward to the city pool being open and I looked at the hours today and I was surprised to see that it's just	00:01:19
	scheduled to be open from Tuesday through Friday this year. Last year it was open on the weekends. And I assume this is something	00:01:26
	to do with money and or logistics. And so I was wondering how and when the decision gets made about the city pool hours. I want to	00:01:32
	point out that it's it's a really great resource. I don't, I don't have a family here myself and I have kids, but I assume that it	00:01:39
	gets enough.	00:01:45
	From last year to but also I know it's really.	00:01:52
	It's a pretty important resource for community members who are training for the triathlon, which is at the beginning of August.	00:01:55
	And it's going to be pretty difficult to do that with those hours for people who have a normal, normal work schedule. So just	00:02:01
	wanted to mention that and ask. It's a good point, the two reasons maybe Lloyd or Donald want to speak to that or I can.	00:02:08
	Without anything.	00:02:23
	And it's posted because they, they, they, they recycle the water, they have chemicals to the water cool and then go. And then on	00:02:26
	Monday they left. They recycle the water and then life car screening and then it's open. You know, it's Saturday. OK, I'm really	00:02:34
	glad to hear that the hours posted online are, are wrong. Then it's do you know this Saturday hours? Is it still 12 to 4:30?	00:02:43
	Sorry.	00:02:54
	OK.	00:02:58
	You know, the other problem we do have, and I'm glad they were here to answer that question, is finding lifeguards. It's not as	00:02:59
	much as but the budget, but finding lifeguards and the other thing, we found that on Sunday.	00:03:06
	Our numbers drop and so we have good for the first week or two and then the numbers drop and that is a budget question, but and I	00:03:14
	are we charging this year.	00:03:19
	It's not free online.	00:03:26
	Yeah, so, and we're trying to get the Conservancy to help us because stay out of ditches. That's one of their big programs. And so	00:03:31
	they they have helped us sponsor swim lessons and help us keep the pool open so that people don't go in the ditches. Michael.	00:03:39
	Huh.	00:03:48
	Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying the Conservancy hopefully will help us out. They gave us $10,000 for the past, I don't know how	00:03:51
	many years.	00:03:54
	It did also say actually that the swim lessons would be free for kids this year, so that's also wrong.	00:04:00
	That's last year's.	00:04:11
	Information.	00:04:13
	Get a hearing aid.	00:04:17
	Have you guys had a conversation back there? I don't know what are you talking about.	00:04:22
	That.	00:04:29
	It hasn't been updated. They haven't updated. We'll put it on. We'll put it online, we'll put it in the residential bills. We'll	00:04:30
	get that information out, though. Glad you brought it up on this. Yeah, I'm just wondering. So. So I understand that the	00:04:38
	lifeguards are typically high school students. That's what I was. Well, The thing is, Tech also takes a lot of the lifeguards, so	00:04:45
	we always have problems. I mean, I don't know how the deal is this year, but when we raise their salaries to match Tech, so.	00:04:53
	You know, that that's our biggest and now we do have a head lifeguard, but it's, it's always trouble getting life lifeguards. And	00:05:01
	then we also sponsor the swim team. So, you know, they get they get a chance to do that also. So I mean, we're trying to get	00:05:06
	everybody involved.	00:05:11
	Sounds like you're doing what you can and the and the trilathalon is in August. Yep. So there is one other issue which also	00:05:18
	happened last year. OK, again, it's the if the dates are from last year, then maybe this isn't totally relevant, but.	00:05:25
	The pool actually closed about several days before the before the triathlon. It would have been nice to have it open for training	00:05:32
	up until that, I think. Well, that's it. School's going to start very early this year, August 6th.	00:05:39
	August 2nd, which sometimes when they when the schools open.	00:05:48
	If, if the people can want to want to practice, we're going to have to get some waivers on lifeguards. And I think Lloyd, I mean,	00:05:55
	we can try to, we do. Have we kept it open before?	00:06:01
	Last year that wasn't the case.	00:06:15
	Thank you. Or maybe it was. It wasn't clear until the last week. I kept asking.	00:06:17
	Get that information out too. But it's it's summertime. We're getting ready to. I'm glad you brought that up a good subject.	00:06:29
	Thanks a lot. Thank you anyone else who would like to make a comment.	00:06:35
	Partridge is your wrestling pyramid. How was that? And it was, well, Steve Prue and the guys are throwing around. They're a	00:06:42
	phenomenal job. It's getting easier and easier every year. They Is that right, Steve?	00:06:49
	Is it getting easier and easier?	00:06:58
	Yeah, it was 1038 participants.	00:07:02
	A belly in it. And he's got a new roller. He's proud of his new. It really made a difference because the Mets weren't, you know,	00:07:46
	they weren't. There wasn't a pool in the middle. So it turned out nice. That's an event that Mary Baskill, my wife and I flew the	00:07:54
	owners down, but nine years ago, eight years ago. And they didn't want to do it because of the outdoor arena. And then COVID hit	00:08:02
	and I called the owner back and said, hey, it was an outdoor event. Think about it and say, yeah, let's do it.	00:08:10
	Came down three years ago, so it's increasingly got better. They've already confirmed that they'll be back next year.	00:08:18
	Some of these little tokens, I told them, any guys give these to the counselors. There's a little Bible verse on the back from the	00:08:25
	wrestling tournament, the name of its heroes, Conquest, and that the Maribel over there.	00:08:30
	That's what the kids went for first place.	00:08:37
	Yeah, that's the first. That's the championship belt. So it's a big organization. They do 27 shows around the country for for	00:08:43
	youth wrestling.	00:08:47
	Christian based organization, good, good folks. I think Mr. Fleming was in contact with me quite a bit for the sound and that's	00:08:53
	that was really good and and Steve.	00:08:58
	Seem to be, Yeah, we don't have any hiccups.	00:09:05
	Put that Western Council.	00:09:09
	Because the the wind was the wind was a challenge for that tournament for and the one we do in July 2, it's a little bit of a	00:09:14
	challenge, but this is a plastic the whole arena. And then they use gaffers tape on the edge of the mat and they tape down. So now	00:09:19
	the wind can't get underneath it.	00:09:25
	The kids, it turned into an overnight event because they have to weigh in the day before the rest of the next day. So even though	00:10:10
	it's one day event, it's typically two. So and the one we have in July is would be 3 days because it's, yeah, it's a three day	00:10:17
	event. So it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Weren't they putting in a Wi-Fi line? I thought we were going to get that done.	00:10:24
	Western.	00:10:32
	Donald, Donald didn't say when we gave him that piece of property over there. They said they were gonna yesterday. We're gonna	00:10:34
	hook us up to the, the Convention Center and the rodeo arena and RV park. I'll, I'll try to ready to follow up on that.	00:10:40
	Well, I mean, we appreciate tech doing that, but I mean, we need to have, we need to have the. Yeah, definitely. There was an	00:10:49
	Ethernet cable available that makes the up and down much faster because the Wi-Fi is great for things. But when we run the	00:10:56
	computers, it's better if it's it's wired into a computer tower and then there's a switch and all those are wired. You guys got	00:11:03
	everything on? Yeah. It's unbelievable how well they do. Yeah, it's pretty.	00:11:09
	It's unbelievable and so, but thanks for the council support. Even before I was sitting here, the council's always supported	00:11:18
	wrestling. Mayor Bhaskar has always been a big advocate for us, for wrestling and we appreciate that.	00:11:23
	Lessons growing here and we're we're grateful for the opportunity to Russell here. So now we're planning to wrestle out the	00:11:29
	support. Thank you guys.	00:11:32
	Became a city councillor is on those and the good job you do with the community. Peter, how is the Memorial Day? That went very	00:11:37
	well. We had a a great lineup of speakers and all yesterday it was well attended and just a wonderful ceremony. You know, I think	00:11:44
	it's something important that we should do every year.	00:11:50
	And we do it for veterans. And but I was really proud of the way the Veterans Park has come around and Lloyd and your your crew,	00:11:58
	the Parks and Rec, they were there. Mr. Lopez and his. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it was really well done. Done.	00:12:07
	OK, now I'm trying to install this but Ed you are.	00:12:18
	This is a. As promised, you've got.	00:12:22
	Ed Reyes, who is our financial and.	00:12:28
	Special consultant for the electric, he's been given numbers that we got from hospital tech schools and he's put those together.	00:12:33
	He has the worst scenario and he has the best scenario. So we're going to we're going to have him present to the council and we	00:12:39
	may need.	00:12:45
	Magnifying glass, but he's got a table of things that go from worst to best.	00:12:52
	There you go, now at the bottom.	00:13:12
	To do it in presentation mode.	00:13:15
	At the bottom right.	00:13:18
	And this scenario is the industrial park.	00:13:24
	There's some big users there. There's also residential that we haven't really put in. But then we've also taken into account the	00:13:27
	new junior high that's coming up. He's taken into account the revenue for that.	00:13:34
	And the.	00:13:43
	The thing that he will show you is, like I said, depending on how we get the money, at what percentage and if we get solar, how	00:13:45
	would that work out? So he's got that all set up for you. Good mayor, counselors, thanks for having me.	00:13:52
	Going to the first one, we'll just get rolling. So I wanted to give a little brief background of where you know where this	00:14:01
	started. So if we go along goes all the way back to prior to 2015 even, but the last the study that was done, the original	00:14:06
	feasibility state was done back in.	00:14:12
	June of 17 by Forsgren. I did provide some some assistance for them with power supply and and a couple other analytics that that	00:14:18
	we worked on that I worked on with them back then as well. There were two service options that were considered over ground and and	00:14:26
	and overhead and underground. And the the initial cap cost capital X was you know, five and a half million or seven and a half	00:14:35
	million with bond financing assumed that at 3 1/2% roughly.	00:14:43
	The annual operating expense was about 3.75 to 3.9 and it included a power cost of $2.4 million a year. So the, and then the, the,	00:14:53
	the way that the, the, the report was put together, it was making an assumption that the assumed rates that would be charged would	00:15:02
	be at or at or below the SEC rates. Everything was measured against what the SEC rates were in the next.	00:15:11
	Since then, a few things have happened since the 2017 had a pandemic, significant supply chain constraints and that's put a lot of	00:15:23
	pressure on on the on substation, equipment, on holes, cable, you name it, everything, everything's gone up and it and it's been	00:15:31
	harder to get the big push with solar and batteries.	00:15:40
	Has also been a big issue solar batteries and, and the inverters, there's a lot of the components that are similar in the	00:15:49
	inverters and a lot of the components for, for Transformers, for substation Transformers. And so substation Transformers in	00:15:58
	particular have gone, gone sky high. They're probably around 2X of what they were back then in 2017.	00:16:07
	Since then we had the Energy Transition Act which which accelerated development of solar and and battery storage projects all over	00:16:18
	the state and and it is forcing some regional resource retirements. And so there are some, some supply constraints in certain	00:16:28
	areas of P and MP and M closed down San Juan, they were trying to, they were trying to unload their share of four corners.	00:16:37
	Coal plant which just recently got reversed and they'll be holding on to that until at least 2031. But generally in the regional	00:16:48
	wide, regional wide, there are some resource constraints I.	00:16:55
	Inflation, there's a little chart there. I mean, you know, back in 17 inflation is running around at 2.1% and right now for for	00:17:03
	2024, the expectation is about 3.3.	00:17:10
	But in 2022 it jumped as high as on an annual rate that year was 8%. So when you Add all that up, you get, you get a, a	00:17:18
	significant increase in, in the, in the cost of pretty much everything. I mean, it's all 60% higher. Just about everything is 60%	00:17:26
	higher on the material side. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I guess labor hasn't, you know, so people aren't making as much,	00:17:33
	they're not making 60% more, but labor costs have gone up as well.	00:17:41
	That on an average of about 11 to 12%.	00:17:49
	So at any rate, that's that's what we're looking. I mean, June of 17 it was one the funds rate, federal funds rate was 1.16%.	00:17:53
	Current federal funds rate right now is 5.33%. So those are the things that have changed since 2017. Next time.	00:18:01
	So in the model itself, so I, I, I didn't have the, the original model that Forgegrind did. I took the, I took a lot of the	00:18:11
	information that they provided back then. And then, and then we built a new model to take a look at what this would, what this	00:18:18
	would look like.	00:18:26
	So we had, as everyone knows, you have a, you had a preliminary substation and system design done for 260 grand or something like	00:18:35
	that recently that came back with a preliminary design and an estimated cost of over 12 and a half million dollars. So it's the,	00:18:43
	the old, if you remember the one before it was 5 1/2 and seven and a half and now it's 12 1/2. So yeah, the, the costs have gone	00:18:51
	up a ton. Still looked at targeted loads in New Mexico tech schools and industrial corridor.	00:18:58
	That does include city accounts, doesn't include. Apparently it doesn't include the the chargers. We'll have to find that. We'll	00:19:07
	figure out where that is. Yeah, we have to figure out where that is.	00:19:13
	So what I did and and I've done this on on a cup for a couple of different clients, but we built, I built a ground up operational	00:19:20
	model based on a standard municipal budget. So it took there's, there's like three or four different communities in.	00:19:30
	New Mexico and in Colorado and one in Utah that, that I'm able to pull data down for their standard budgets and I can take them	00:19:40
	line by line and build a line item budget all the way up to what it would a, what an electric utility budget should look like. So	00:19:49
	people, capital, materials, everything. It's 100 and 8200 lines of budget budget items.	00:19:57
	So that was developed. I did that from the from the from the bottom up. We did update the wholesale power supply cost power supply	00:20:08
	back then was expected to be about 3.8 to 4.2. That was the that was the range that we were looking at at the time in 2017.	00:20:18
	With the resource constraints.	00:20:29
	Last year was probably closer to $55 a MW hour. That's five, you know, that's, that's a lot. So five and a half cents per kWh just	00:20:31
	for the energy. And then you have to add everything else on up from 3.8 to 4.2. So that that went up significantly, 20 to 25%.	00:20:41
	That said, that is starting to abate if you look at. In fact, I was just showing them today.	00:20:54
	California ISO, what they call the energy imbalance market, which is what the, all the marketers and, and all the utilities, if	00:21:01
	they need energy at any given time during the day, there's they and they're out of balance. So their supply is low, but their load	00:21:07
	is high. They got to buy it from the market. And if their supply is too high and they're loaded and show up, then they're selling	00:21:14
	it into the market. Well, right now with all the wind and all the solar that's been built and developed and installed over the	00:21:21
	course of the last 2-3 years.	00:21:27
	For the last three months the the New Mexico, the New Mexico, what they call L&P is the location pricing. The pricing for energy	00:21:35
	has been negative for about 10 to 12 hours a day. So starting at, you know, 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning, prices are are literally	00:21:44
	dipping to zero and then below 0. So today when we looked it was 5:30 in the afternoon, 530 in the evening. California prices were	00:21:53
	$4.00 negative and New Mexico prices were $0.40 negative.	00:22:02
	MW hours. It's I mean it so you get paid. They're paying us to use. They would be yeah, you if you were, if you were sure you	00:22:11
	would be getting paid to take energy off of the system because the wind was blowing and it's sunny and there's a ton of it. That	00:22:18
	also does create an opportunity for putting in batteries because for the last 3 1/2 months, during the day, you would have been	00:22:25
	paid to charge your batteries and then you could discharge them whenever you wanted with free energy.	00:22:33
	So anyway, that's the, that's some of the things that have changed and some of them we didn't. We don't have that in the model	00:22:40
	right now. And then on options for financing, we still looked at municipal bonds, at the federal funds rates. We're looking at	00:22:46
	5.3. That was 5.3, four we think.	00:22:52
	I think by time by time you could get everything moving.	00:23:00
	Expectation is we're going to see about a percentage percentage point decrease I.	00:23:05
	Feds already started to make some chatter about it and I think the first one should come maybe in June, if not in June. We're	00:23:11
	expecting to see one at least in August and then another one in October and potentially in December. So we should see 3/4 of a	00:23:17
	percent between now and the end of the year and then by by this time next year, probably a full percentage point down. So that	00:23:23
	would bring that federal funds rate down from 5.3 down to about four, four and a half, four and a quarter. So that that's that's	00:23:28
	what we're expecting.	00:23:34
	Private and bank financing so.	00:23:41
	One of the proposals that you had back in 2017 was from Guzman, who you've met.	00:23:45
	And they had, they had proposed an offer to finance the building. Well, finance the capital needs to get everything started.	00:23:52
	That's that is that's, that's one of the assumptions in that second one and then the third one. But in either of those cases after	00:24:01
	one year of operations, we would have the city would apply to NMMFA and try to get.	00:24:07
	Mortgage Finance Authority money which at the time when in 17 or we were looking at this.	00:24:15
	MFA when he was, it was about 1.7%. So that's Donald. What did they tell us for? Yeah, they're four. They're about at 4 now. Yeah,	00:24:20
	they're still, they're still kind of, yeah, they're still lower than fed funds rate. But yeah, they're, it's right around one.	00:24:28
	They expect again, the expectation is about 4% once you get that converted and then the, the, the other is the same type of	00:24:35
	financing.	00:24:43
	We've assumed that we're going to do we're going to do you're going to do solar in this model and significant amount of solar. You	00:24:51
	know you, you was that. No, it wasn't here. It was at the Convention Center back in the fall, I believe when the guys from ICAST	00:24:58
	came and went through the presentation on on going after different grant money and they they've already identified three or four	00:25:05
	different grants that that are potential. There's one for the state of Mexico that just got awarded other than 560 million or	00:25:12
	something like that. That's.	00:25:18
	One that just got awarded recently and that's that solar for all. So that's, that's one that the state will the state doesn't have	00:25:26
	all the rules out yet, but as soon as those rules out, they'll start playing for those grants as well. OK, next one. And that's in	00:25:33
	the process just for the the the council to know Donald with the deadline was at the end of June or was it the 300,000 for the	00:25:41
	planning grant? Yes, Sir. I think it's around the 25th of June 25th. So we've already started on that process.	00:25:49
	Yeah, that's the planning grant for professional services that they'll pay for.	00:25:57
	There they'll get a grant so that the grant pays for the design citing all of the other you mean you have to do a, you have to do	00:26:02
	a, a phase one environmental study and you got to do art study and you got to do all of that. This would that grant would pay for	00:26:09
	all that to get the site developed basically and ready for construction. So moving to the results, again, this is the first one,	00:26:16
	but fully blind financed. Look at the federal funds rate. It's actually more like an MFA rate. We're looking at like somewhere	00:26:22
	around 4%.	00:26:29
	Installation of about 7 megawatts or solar, funded through federal and state grants.	00:26:37
	Well, federal and state grant, state grants, federal, some federal grants. And then also anything that does come out from the city	00:26:42
	would come under their direct pay, which is the IRA has for solar for for solar development, for public, for public entities. You	00:26:51
	weren't able before to take the tax credits because you don't pay taxes.	00:26:59
	And what they changed there was they put this new, new program for direct funding. So you go spend the money and then you apply to	00:27:09
	the IRS and then the IRS gives you the gives you the the tax credits and in the form of a check. And so right now.	00:27:19
	You're already you would get the 30% tax credit for solar renewables that's already baked in. And then you would apply for low	00:27:30
	income 'cause there's AI believe the city would end up qualifying for low income community. And so that would also go into that go	00:27:38
	into those grants as well. So that's and that's 40% off of the top. So that's, I mean, that's kind of a given. And then I cast is	00:27:46
	looking at another 20 to 50% in grants.	00:27:54
	That they would get so it could be up to I'm not fully funded, but pretty darn close to fully funded. That's what this one looks	00:28:03
	at pretty much fully funded service to all the city facilities, tech schools, industrial corridor, about 200 plus accounts and	00:28:10
	little almost 8 megawatts of peak demand produces an enterprise surplus of about a half, $1,000,000 average over the first five	00:28:18
	years. So each year or one year average per year.	00:28:25
	That's it. And that's, that's solar. No, that's for the whole, that's for the entire utility, the utility itself, enterprise fund.	00:28:35
	So if you build the utility, get it running over the first five years, the expectation is you'd get about it. You'd have about a	00:28:42
	half, $1,000,000 of, of surplus based on, based on leaving rates the same. So if they were the same as SC CS rates would be, it	00:28:48
	would be, you'd have about 1/2 a million in surplus.	00:28:55
	I mean that that.	00:29:04
	Says that you don't change the rates if you change the rates, obviously you lower the rates and you would eat up surplus. But it's	00:29:06
	however it's how you want, however you want to look at it, you know, and and whether or not City Schools, hospital, everyone wants	00:29:13
	to get slightly lower rates or do they want to help fund other benefits into the city. So however that you know, whatever you want	00:29:20
	to do that. And next one is the council know these are packages. I don't know if you see how each bullet point is.	00:29:28
	And those packages have to deal with 9% or 4% loan to build the the substation. Plus if you're able to get enough solar at a very	00:29:36
	low cost for nothing, you can feed into the grid and not really be paying anything for electricity. And the first scenario	00:29:44
	generates funds even though your your debt service might be at $1,000,000.	00:29:52
	And so that's that's those are each one of those bullets are for that package.	00:30:03
	In each one of these scenarios that we ran on the operational budget is almost identical to to what they had assumed back in 2017.	00:30:08
	That part didn't change much because.	00:30:15
	There were when I, I don't, I never saw their full build up from the ground up. So I don't know how exactly how they did it, but	00:30:23
	but the, the, the budget that I put together is on on an equal basis with three different municipal utilities in the state. So	00:30:30
	it's real close.	00:30:37
	Again, this would have installation of first the private bank and financing. So you would start out with private financing at	00:30:46
	something like 9%.	00:30:50
	Operate for a year or two or a year and a half, however long it would take to get MFA financing. MFA wants the one year of	00:30:56
	operational experience prior to doing a loan conversion. So we do converted financing after, you know, 12 to 16 months, 18 months,	00:31:02
	convert that note and then take on an MFA mortgage for the, for the balance of that period. And it's, it was figured at 20 years	00:31:09
	as well.	00:31:16
	Same services, tech, schools, hospital.	00:31:25
	Cities, city buildings and then that one produces a surplus of 32,000 for the first year, first two years and then half a million	00:31:29
	after the conversion. So you know, you, you still, you're losing out on in the beginning because you're paying a ton in financing	00:31:37
	cost, but it picks up after you get the, the, the financing converted.	00:31:45
	Right, The next one last ones to the here are the financing is this is again the same you have 9 converting down to four with MFA,	00:31:54
	7 megawatts of solar, but only 50%. So this would this assumes now that instead of being able to find enough grants and and	00:32:04
	everything else to to get this down to almost three, you're only going to get 50% of it paid for and so.	00:32:14
	That, that reduces the, that reduces the amount of the, we'll call it free energy. I mean, you're paying for it up front and then	00:32:24
	you're getting it. You're getting it over time. But that what that does is it lowers the wholesale power cost that you're going to	00:32:30
	have to buy from a Guzman or whoever, whoever you ultimately decided to buy your wholesale power from. So that's where that,	00:32:36
	that's where that change comes from.	00:32:42
	And in this case it produces.	00:32:50
	About balanced, it's it's it's.	00:32:54
	Meaning, you know, there's, there's probably some things we could skinny, there's some things that might come in fatter, but it's	00:32:57
	about a balanced budget. So that, and that means that you do that and you, you won't make any more money. You won't be able to	00:33:04
	lower rates initially, but but the rates won't go up and you'll own your utility.	00:33:10
	And then again, this is assuming that the rates are the same as the co-ops. This is assuming the rates are the same as the co-ops.	00:33:18
	And if you really want to be bored.	00:33:23
	Edwards got all the data piled up and we can make that available to you as to how it came to those numbers and what the revenue	00:33:28
	was. And he used those real bills that we actually got from the users, not from the coop, but from the users to for him to build	00:33:36
	this scenario. So we built the we had made some assumptions back in 17 on what the load looked like and as it turns out the the	00:33:43
	loads are really close. I mean it's.	00:33:51
	There's the demand side is, is almost identical. Energy side is a little bit lower. We don't have, there's about 1515 potential	00:33:58
	customers that we don't have data on. So and if you took those and if they, if you brought all that data and brought all that load	00:34:08
	in, it should be about even with what we had assumed back in or what they had assumed back in 2017. So it's really close.	00:34:17
	But yeah, that's that's what it produces a a balanced budget for an electric enterprise.	00:34:27
	And the last one, we just do a quick little summary here. So that's what the numbers look like from a surplus or or deficit.	00:34:33
	In in years, in years four and five under scenario 3, which is the worst one because you're not getting you're not getting a fully	00:34:46
	funded solar facility. You've got years four and five. And the reason that those are that those are negative is that after.	00:34:55
	You get started, you're going to have some equipment that has to be replaced and you're going to have to start a kind of a	00:35:05
	rotating capital budget and and you're going to have to start feeding additional capital in the system as as things start to break	00:35:12
	and as you start replacing things, as you start to grow the system. But that's what it that's what it'll ultimately look like. And	00:35:19
	we can, we can send them all of this on APDF. Can we send that? Yeah, we'll send you all the information.	00:35:25
	So the the all of them require significant grant funding or tax credits. Direct pay credits, not tax credits.	00:35:35
	Um, they, they are, I mean, they're dependent on a, on a favorable bond market or a favorable decision from mortgage finance	00:35:44
	authority. And that's, that's a, that's a big deal. And if you can't make, if you can't get the debt conversion, then the, the,	00:35:52
	the whole thing, the tanks. So you have to get the debt conversion.	00:35:59
	Do we have other, I would imagine we have other things that we've used there the the mortgage conversion for another projects, is	00:36:08
	that pretty common?	00:36:13
	I was going to ask Mary Ann, you know, you got a building that's being built for like 14,000,000 and you got 4 million from the	00:36:18
	state and you have investors that got tax credits for investing into that and your debt services. I mean, so so there and I cast	00:36:25
	actually helped them put that, that that building together. So these things yeah. And I I think NMFA did they tell us that they	00:36:32
	financed.	00:36:39
	Akamai or which one?	00:36:49
	MFA did finance Akamai, they finance Takama electric Utility. So then so there is models for this. Yes, my question, yeah. My	00:36:51
	question is, is the financing look feasible? Like I mean, obviously you're putting up there, we think it is, but have we gone	00:36:57
	through that process before with anything else that we've done to where we we have a pretty good idea that we could get the	00:37:03
	financing?	00:37:09
	Financing right projects, we do it with, you know we've done it with the.	00:37:16
	With a rodeo center, we've done it with that was a million. We've done it with the Convention Center. So yeah, I mean we've we've	00:37:22
	done it within every Ruby probably can speak to it more than I can as to how she deals with and you know when we do with the	00:37:27
	landfill, when we have to go out, we, you know, landfill sell with like a million something. Is that NMFA or is that somebody	00:37:33
	else?	00:37:38
	So, you know, we, we did a, we did A and for the budget, which Mr. Fleming, the chairman, we, we owe about $18 million.	00:37:47
	In in loans that we've done through NMFA, USDA. So that so yeah, we just asked you a question. We've done that. The standard	00:38:05
	financing would be I mean not myself and here is it the standard bond financing would be general obligation revenue bonds. So you	00:38:12
	mean you put the you put the model together and then you.	00:38:20
	Sell the You sell the bonds and you have to pay the bonds back with the revenue. So things change.	00:38:29
	The only, the only stipulations that would be in the revenue bonds is that you, you have to have, you have to have an annual	00:38:35
	projection for debt coverage. So if you're, if it's coming in low, you got to raise rates to cover the to cover the bonds and make	00:38:43
	sure that your coverage ratios are adequate. Any one of those scenarios is assuming that we do get MFA or is there one that	00:38:50
	doesn't? The first one is just bonds is just going after municipal bonds.	00:38:58
	Fully fully bonded.	00:39:06
	We've had a conference with MFA.	00:39:10
	They were not very optimistic the first year because they need revenue numbers, but they said after that, once we give them the	00:39:14
	revenue numbers and the amount of money that we need, they will then work with us. They also have a grant program, but we're not	00:39:21
	going to be able to qualify for that. That's what they said. That was the bad news. But they, but they do have monies to fund and	00:39:28
	like I said, they did Acumen Pueblo and we can you know, with their, with their electric utility.	00:39:35
	And I don't know what that what was that at 8,000,009 million, but yeah, I think is 8 and a half million. So so they have they do	00:39:42
	they do that. And just to clarify that is equipment that's to staff the project he has on that PDF if you want to go, I didn't	00:39:50
	ask, I told that don't everybody's eyes will glaze up. But he built it from the bottom up with operating maintenance equipment,	00:39:57
	substation, putting money away for replenishment. He's got all that.	00:40:05
	You know he's got that in the.	00:40:12
	Yes, so there's a.	00:40:14
	In that last one in three, the 112 million, that's why you see him drop the earnings drop in the in year four is there's an	00:40:16
	assumption for some replacement. So there's a new CapEx infusion that has to go in. So maybe like you know it's 125,110 thousand	00:40:23
	of additional CapEx that needs to go in.	00:40:31
	But that's a you know, it could be a truck. It could be, you know, it could be.	00:40:39
	Just be equipment, whatever it might be. But he's built all that into the into the graph at the table. And so and he wanted to	00:40:44
	pick out each one of them. You know, it comes to about 13 and a half million dollars with a, with a debt service and the, you	00:40:51
	know, just the build out. Yeah, the build out of the substation and the substation to, to be honest.	00:40:59
	The substation is a is a is a dual transformer sub.	00:41:08
	Fully built out.	00:41:14
	I mean, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful design.	00:41:16
	And it's probably, I'd, I'd say it's probably 30% overbuilt for the initial project. So you know, there, there's A and there's a,	00:41:20
	there's a potential there to be able to, if you don't think that it's going to, you don't think you're going to be able to grow	00:41:27
	the load fast enough, you could start with the smaller Transformers or at least one smaller transformer and then and then upgrade	00:41:34
	the, the second transformer later.	00:41:41
	A bigger transformer and that, that would be, I mean it probably it reduced the cost by a couple $1,000,000. And it's that	00:41:48
	there's, there's different options there. I think the big one is, I mean that the, the big number is the Transformers in the	00:41:54
	substation.	00:41:59
	And we had initially, like I said, we thought it would be 5 1/2 to 7 1/2 and it's a lot better. We were looking at, we just built	00:42:05
	out a.	00:42:10
	Well, it's it's a lot bigger, 345 KV.	00:42:17
	Substation addition It was a three breaker ring out at Hickory a Hickory Apache Nation for 310 MW solar facilities and.	00:42:22
	The initial numbers that we had were about 11 and a half million, twelve and a half million. That was back in early mid 19. And by	00:42:35
	the time it got, we got everything done and got ready, pandemic hit supply, I mean everything hit and all of a sudden it turned	00:42:42
	into about 15 1/2, almost 16,000,000. So just just in that time frame. So there's there's I mean there again, there's a lot of	00:42:49
	there's a lot of other variables that are that are built in. So I think that.	00:42:57
	The 16, I'm sorry, the 13 million for the substation is probably a pretty good solid number for right now and it's already, it's	00:43:05
	already got a lot of extra cost built into it, so.	00:43:13
	So those three, those 3 scenarios.	00:43:23
	All depend on solar, reduce depend on solar. And So what I'm asking the council is that, and we've already you've already asked me	00:43:26
	to be able to deal with ITAST. And so they're already working on trying to get the solar project put together given the funding. I	00:43:33
	think the state has put out 125 million for rural and and people that are low income people. So we're we're in line for something	00:43:40
	for that. So those are the things that we're going to be working on next.	00:43:47
	And that is put together and like I said, he built it from the bottom up with his numbers and, and he'll share that with you.	00:43:56
	We'll share that with the council. So you can look through each of the numbers about buying trucks, utility trucks, buying holes,	00:44:03
	all that stuff for that area. And the last thing, but that's what I'm trying to get out there is that.	00:44:10
	City debt service isn't going to be any different than than club debt. So I mean you borrow money, borrow money. So your your debt	00:44:17
	structure is going to be pretty much identical.	00:44:22
	Yours on a debt per revenue basis would be quite less because?	00:44:27
	You're you're going to be in a much more dense build here.	00:44:34
	The operations you would assume that you're going to pay people to do a job, then they're going to be about the same and then	00:44:38
	power costs would be the assumption is the power costs are going to be significantly lower and we.	00:44:45
	I can tell you that I believe that the fire costs will be significantly lower and the elections coming up, I'm sure the Fed is	00:44:54
	going to help out.	00:44:58
	Whoever needs it, it's going to go down by a percent. This is a scenario. And the other thing that I'm going to drop the other	00:45:02
	foot on is a shoe on, not the foot. Is that Las Cruces about 12 years ago?	00:45:09
	More than that. Oh yeah, Back in. I think they finished that in 1996 or 1997. Yeah, but 2526 years ago at least.	00:45:19
	Soon the.	00:45:29
	El Paso Electric and condemned their system for the use of the city winner. Our lawyer was involved in that and Las Cruces won	00:45:31
	that case and I have the documents for you if you'd like to see those. And so condemnation is the other shoe dropping and that	00:45:39
	would be for the whole city. And it hasn't given me any specific numbers, but if we took the whole city as a whole, financing and	00:45:47
	paying for debt service is not going to be a problem.	00:45:55
	We're trying to pick this industrial link together to see how we can do it. But if we took the whole system and we can develop	00:46:04
	some numbers on that because we we have some information that I think we can build that from the bottom up too would not be a	00:46:12
	problem in any problem. It would make revenue for the city. So that's the other shoe. But right now what we're waiting on is	00:46:19
	trying to get some help with I cast to see what kind of grants are going to be available to us.	00:46:27
	Into those 3 scenarios.	00:46:35
	Answer the phone, man. Come on.	00:46:39
	Your phone, but anyway.	00:46:42
	Any questions from the council? Any questions? We got a bunch of people from the Co-op. Any questions from you guys? Ted Martinez	00:46:46
	is here. Mr. Capps is here. Mr. Bowie just stepped out. Jared is here. We'll make this, you know, if our requests have been coming	00:46:53
	hard and fast these days from the However, they want everything. They want to see my text from my wife. They want to see	00:47:00
	everything. But when I ask request information from them.	00:47:07
	Forget it. You're not going to get it. We don't have it. We can't even show it to you. So so we're, you know, we're trying to be	00:47:15
	friendly to them, but they're not being very friendly to us. But I'm here. The house is open if you guys want to ask Mr. Reyes any	00:47:20
	questions, Sir.	00:47:25
	Jared, Mr. Boli, anybody want to ask any questions about our our future and our financing? You're more than happy to work. I put	00:47:32
	them on the spot, but I'm more than happy to answer any other questions.	00:47:39
	Correct. Can you repeat it right now? Can you repeat the question he was asking about the negative pricing. And so it's it's the	00:47:54
	IM market, the EIN market. You have to be a participant in the IM market to be able to do it. But so right now we have.	00:48:03
	One client now that's already built and the other one that's getting built and those will be two facilities that are going to be	00:48:14
	in the IM. So they will be marked participating assets in California ISO and that's the way we're looking at them is that they are	00:48:21
	a great market opportunity for that period of time in the if the.	00:48:28
	I guess the market is negative then. You get paid to charge your batteries.	00:48:36
	I what they're, what they're, what we're looking at is actually putting them in. I mean we're looking at putting them in the	00:48:44
	market the best the battery, battery storage, putting them in the market as they load and then getting paid to charge during the	00:48:53
	day for what now has been over three months straight of average about 8 hours a day. That's been negative. I don't know if it's.	00:49:01
	Yeah, it's been, it was negative today for 7 1/2 hours, 7 hours. I mean since the 8:00 this morning, 8:00 this morning is about 14	00:49:11
	bucks at 5:00 is $14.00 in California is 43 cents negative here. So there's negative all day long and it and it wasn't even that	00:49:18
	windy last week when two weeks ago when it was really windy, we were negative $46 here and it was negative by 60 bucks in	00:49:25
	California. So yeah, take advantage of those places.	00:49:32
	Backing down to be able to.	00:49:42
	Yeah, you have to. You have to be, you have to be under schedules and taking money and taking energy off the mark, off the IMF.	00:49:45
	Yeah.	00:49:48
	And the assumption is that in that their power supplier is going to be, you know, obviously they're in the market, so their power	00:49:53
	supplier will manage that. So hand over the the best and then let them let them manage the resources that they have. They have	00:50:00
	full access to it and they can run it however. And that's what we're doing with two different clients right now.	00:50:07
	And we have.	00:50:15
	By the end of next year, I think there will be a total of.	00:50:17
	About 30, about 30 megawatts that will be sitting in the Cali, so as participating market resources.	00:50:21
	You know, and I think there was a question, well, how are we going to do this? You know, we have consultants who are really up to	00:50:30
	date and, and, and up to date with everything that's going on the electric market. And that's that's how we're going to do	00:50:36
	businesses with people like Mr. Reyes and Nan Wenner and and are legal and I cash. So that's how we're proceeding. And the other	00:50:43
	thing is Miss Chavez Lopez is not withstanding. We never went into executive session. We could have possibly gone into executive	00:50:49
	session to discuss all these options.	00:50:55
	There and we don't do that we are an open meeting tight public body and we don't we try to put sunshine on everything that we do.	00:51:02
	We don't have executive session and if we did we wouldn't exclude certain members of our City Council from our executive session.	00:51:10
	So so that's that's you know that's how the city does business and the public understands that I hope that we always are are are	00:51:17
	open and and willing to have a discussion about what we're doing and we do that on behalf of the city and I think.	00:51:25
	US selling electricity.	00:51:33
	That would be the the way we would do it is do it in an open session type meeting and no hidden mystery black boxes.	00:51:34
	And thank you again for coming down and, and having the meeting with us. And we will make available to the City Council all the	00:51:43
	different calculations that he made. We're waiting for ICAST to see if we're going to be able to get that that grant to do the	00:51:49
	planning. And once we get the grant to do the planning again, you authorize us to go ahead and work with our cast doesn't cost us	00:51:55
	any money. They only get paid if they do well and they put that into the to the grant writing so that that's what we're doing	00:52:00
	right now.	00:52:06
	Pot of money that's available yeah and that that was something that just came what, two weeks ago, a week ago about looking at	00:52:50
	bringing in that much solar. And so that that's that part I'd say it's not not fully ready for public consumption. I have to clean	00:52:58
	it up a little bit because it was a big change and that's a $78 million just to let the council know that would be about A7 MW	00:53:07
	right now they're running you know it's.	00:53:15
	Right around about a dollar Watt and maybe a dollar four to a dollar dollar 12. But once you get up into that 5 to 710 MW range,	00:53:24
	the the prices are coming down. It's back down to you know, could be down to 9293. Everything's starting to fall again. Finally,	00:53:33
	how much is that big array? Do you know how much the one that we have? Well, the that one I'm not sure.	00:53:42
	I think that one's all through Facebook. It was private funded.	00:53:51
	The ones we have out at Hickory, it's 310, I know that.	00:53:55
	The numbers that have been cast around are the the, the whole facility, everything included all the other, you know, all the, the	00:54:01
	different investors are in about right around 300 million, a little over 300 million for.	00:54:08
	But it's 310 megawatts.	00:54:16
	And they're selling to P&M. They're selling 100 hundred megawatts of solar and 20 megawatts of battery storage to P&M under two	00:54:20
	separate well 3 contracts plus one solar contract for what they call the P&M Solar Direct, which is.	00:54:29
	Solar that PM is bringing into their system and then selling directly to, to the city and to a few different customers, just	00:54:39
	industrial customers. No, Well, it's, it's very similar to what they're doing with Facebook. Facebook has 175 megawatts I think is	00:54:47
	what they're up to now. I mean they, they have like 4 different facilities that they've built and they're bringing those in. PNM	00:54:54
	buys it and then sells it to them basically just with a management fee and transmission.	00:55:01
	That's how that and that's how this whole direct went. The other facility is part of the San Juan replacement. So in San Juan	00:55:10
	retired, they went out to bed to go find replacement resources and the that's 50 megs of solar and 20 megs of battery storage.	00:55:18
	That one is also that's under two different contracts, the solar by itself and the battery storage as an energy service agreement.	00:55:26
	Those were public. You mean you can look at that. I think the battery storage has ended up being like 950 at kW month.	00:55:34
	For the capacity charge for the use charge.	00:55:43
	And then?	00:55:45
	The solar for.	00:55:48
	The first solar was 21 1/2 cent or 21 1/2 dollars, so 2147 or something like that. So literally 2.1 cents. That's what it was back	00:55:51
	in 2018 when they did that project. And then of course things are a little bit more expensive now. But you know, when you get up	00:56:00
	to that scale at 50 megs, 100 megs, then if the the cost have come down a bunch, I mean, they're now, they're still, they went up.	00:56:08
	But they're still in the in the mid 30s and you can get a big project for the mid 30s or three cents, 3 1/2 cents. Mr. Parker to	00:56:18
	follow up on Counselor Dean question. So you'll provide the spreadsheets or or the so that we can look that over.	00:56:25
	Make it presentable so that you know you can follow. I'd hate to have I mean, it's it's my it's it's my, I call it somewhat almost	00:56:35
	rudimentary work product that that I.	00:56:41
	Build off of.	00:56:48
	That wasn't meant for a full presentation, but I, I can all clean it and and and provide the the back the back energy for the the	00:56:50
	back data for it. So you know when we can expect it around.	00:56:57
	I'll work on it this week, maybe a couple weeks. OK, Thank you. Yeah, I just got to get it cleaned up and.	00:57:05
	It has a lot of questions. There's a lot of things that are up here that aren't in there.	00:57:13
	Thank you. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it.	00:57:19
	OK. We have the ICIP hearing #2 Mr. Logan going to public hearing for the ICIP #2 second all in favor. Anyone out there that has	00:57:25
	any additions to ICIP that we've been discussing?	00:57:34
	Mr. Williams.	00:57:44
	Mr.	00:57:49
	After yesterday's ceremony, the only other thing that I think maybe we need to add on there is.	00:57:50
	We started redoing the Veterans Parkway back in 2010, 2011, to get it to the point where it is now, which is very nice. But we're	00:57:57
	going to need to do some upkeep. And then there's things we need to add to bring it up to date because the history of the park	00:58:04
	stops at Vietnam.	00:58:10
	Oh, yeah. So, Lloyd, I think we could get together if you can give us your specifics. I've got an idea, Mr. Put that updating the	00:58:17
	Veterans Park.	00:58:22
	And it doesn't matter where it's at, just that we have it on the list and get to it eventually so.	00:58:29
	You're saying that as a veteran?	00:58:36
	Don't say that, OK. I have another item that since we're already working on a on the Community Center remodel, I happen to go to	00:58:39
	the community kitchen and the place is kind of looking a little getting a little old because, you know, I mean, it's been there a	00:58:47
	while now, even though they're replacing a lot of equipment and doing good things in there.	00:58:54
	I just kind of thought that maybe and I don't know whose responsibility, but the lighting seems to be very outdated and there's	00:59:02
	there's a few things like that. I didn't know if we could incorporate that.	00:59:07
	My only problem is that is the management has been so nebulous as to who's managing the community kitchen. We even offered to take	00:59:15
	it over if they would turn over all the equipment to us and it would be a city project. It is not a city project. We just rent	00:59:21
	them $100 a year with it.	00:59:28
	A month, whatever. But it's not, it's not our project and we upgraded it. I think we put in Windows and I think we did some other	00:59:35
	things, but we don't really get any regular regular.	00:59:41
	Information about it? Well, it's my understanding that the Chamber of Commerce, whoever that is, is still involved.	00:59:50
	Mirja has been trying to help them. They wrote some grants to get more equipment. So I think those folks are all kind of working	00:59:57
	together so.	01:00:01
	It would be nice if they give us a report quarterly or half every six months or something about what's going on in there. I was	01:00:06
	just concerned that there were some people that were coming from Los Lunas because they were using that kitchen. I, you know,	01:00:11
	that's when he's got plenty of money.	01:00:16
	It is now called a regional community kitchen. It's not just a Socorro.	01:00:23
	But anyway, that would be nice if somebody who was official would come and talk to us. I know Mr. Doctor Smoke and other people	01:00:34
	had before, but I haven't heard from them for four or five years.	01:00:39
	Should we go back into regular session? Make a motion to go back to regular session 2nd.	01:00:48
	Moved and seconded on to Aye. Opposed the preliminary budget. Mr. Fleming, is there anything specific I'd like to say? Have	01:00:52
	everybody pay attention to this wonderful girl over here who's put in many hours along with the budget committee. Ruby. OK, Mayor,	01:00:59
	Council. So I have our preliminary budget. I met with a budget committee, Deborah, Mr. Fleming and Anton, and I'm just going to do	01:01:06
	a quick outline.	01:01:14
	So we have our beginning cash balances about 10 million.	01:01:22
	Of that 10 million, about a million is it for reserves for all the loans we have general fund, I have revenue increase of about.	01:01:26
	8% and expenditures are about 8% also.	01:01:35
	That beginning cash balance would change once I do the fourth quarter and I do the final budget.	01:01:40
	Join Enterprise.	01:01:46
	Cash balance has gone down because we paid for the CNG trucks, the compactor.	01:01:49
	I have reimbursements out for those one point 9,800,000 that we should be getting going to cash balance. We do have salary	01:01:54
	increases about 14%, but in those salary increases, PRA went up, Health insurance went up 10% this year. I don't know if it's	01:02:00
	going to go up next year, we don't know yet.	01:02:06
	We have the police officers on the grant. We're at 25% this fiscal year, so we have to sustain the officers for giving them	01:02:13
	raises. Senior Center, we're taking over Vegita. It's going to be two temp employees. The cooks will go full time. Linda will be a	01:02:20
	director. We have a couple of positions going from temp to full time. Mayor has suggested that the operators get moved up there	01:02:28
	handling backhoes, the garbage trucks.	01:02:36
	So we're, we put them up, I can't quite put them at $20.00 an hour, but once they get through their certifications, we're looking	01:02:44
	at probably close to 18, a little more. We do have schooling and training in the budget capital outlay. I'm working on police	01:02:50
	fleet, looking on loan grants. That money would come out of EMS. It's about 6 vehicles. An ambulance is on order. We're looking at	01:02:55
	about a year, but that was funded through the state 100%. There is a transportation ban on order. Hopefully we get it by the end	01:03:01
	of this fiscal year.	01:03:07
	There's going to be some capital outlay for landscaping, tennis courts. The mayor wants the landscaping around town several	01:03:14
	places. The equipment pretty much we got pretty, we got the equipment that's needed. We do need a loader at the landfill and	01:03:22
	that's like 365,000. So I'm going to look into possibly a loan or at least and see when at the Waysexpo. Actually the lowest if we	01:03:29
	leased it, we're looking at like 9%. So interest rate is really up there.	01:03:37
	The library.	01:04:17
	They're changing, She's losing an employee, but she's had to move her employees within and not fill that vacancy. She's going to	01:04:19
	wait a little bit and if she feels she needs to fill it, then we'll work with budget roads. There's a lot of projects going on. So	01:04:27
	on Fund 309311, I'll do it on final budget because they just finished Fowler, they finished.	01:04:35
	Which other streets?	01:04:45
	We did receive a new compactor, we received a new CNG trucks and those are the two loans, sorry, our jet service, the two new	01:05:25
	loans we got and then we did pay off the water line replacement loan.	01:05:31
	But I don't know if you have any questions, Mr.	01:05:39
	Mayor, you know, I want to thank the committee.	01:05:44
	For working so hard and coming up with some very good ideas and the yellow lady behind the podium over there, and we're very	01:05:47
	fortunate to have her because she stays on top of everything.	01:05:56
	And keep us in the city of Flow.	01:06:07
	Questions.	01:06:11
	And the part in April, we whenever we gave, I think we gave admin raises. We had talked about you'd look at in July and I, I had	01:06:13
	wrote down that yet it was said that everybody would be moved up in the city to $20.00 an hour or you would try to at that time.	01:06:19
	Was that considered during the budget committee?	01:06:25
	By January it was considered unfortunately you know where I'm working on that hopefully in final budget I did put. So I do have	01:06:31
	increases in there, but just because it's a budget, I'll meet with committee and they'll decide who we move up. So I did put	01:06:39
	across the board budget, but it's up to we decided to wait till like January to see where we're at. But like I said, the operators	01:06:46
	were looking at getting them to close to $1820. The budget can't sustain that then I'd have to raise.	01:06:54
	There's there's a 5% across the board.	01:07:02
	Percent across the board budgeted in there then. And then there's specific, you know, the fire department, we're trying to bring	01:07:04
	the fire department up. So we're working on that. Operators, we're trying to bring operators up. Unfortunately, laborers are going	01:07:10
	to have to be laborers. I mean, unless they get certified for different things. The sewer plant, we're having problems keeping	01:07:16
	people at certain.	01:07:22
	Certifications, so we're trying to bring them up. So those we're we're getting poached from everybody.	01:07:30
	And so we're trying to keep the people that have the certifications and trying to bring their salaries up. And those are going to	01:07:37
	be more individual and there will be some some complaints. But the bottom line is to try to keep the people that have certificates	01:07:44
	that are getting pushed by other cities and so forth. Those are the ones that we're considering bringing up.	01:07:51
	And thank you. So I do have that budgeted. And then if they go to class or they get some kind of certifications like their water	01:07:58
	level one level 2 fire department, they go all the way to I think a fire tube. I have all that budgeted. But if they don't hit	01:08:06
	that in that budget, then they don't get that raise. But it's in, you know, I would like AI would like a, a, a perhaps some help	01:08:13
	in how we would put that together. That's very difficult for me.	01:08:20
	Miss Charlotte was also. Does everybody have the chance to get certified? I mean, if they come up to you and.	01:08:28
	Everybody has that chance, Absolutely CDO's, we're just getting people that are getting CDL's at the Transportation department. We	01:08:35
	had people here in the administration that got certified for federal projects. So everybody in each department, if they have	01:08:42
	specific things they can give you certified, they have the availability to do that.	01:08:48
	Mr. Suleimi, just at one point to have folks that were certified to maybe offer some tutoring or some evening classes to support	01:08:56
	some of the folks that would like to get certified. So they have some place to go to ask questions to get some some help. I think	01:09:03
	that's a good idea. Pay and we could pay that person a stipend or an hour, but eventually they're going to have to go to some	01:09:11
	place that can stamp it for them. Yeah. So, yeah, just a tutor them up. How can we have two microphones?	01:09:18
	I think we're missing a chair.	01:09:27
	Sure.	01:09:31
	I don't like any microphones and now I got two. OK the this right there.	01:09:34
	See, but don't put it on your phone.	01:09:41
	But anyway, so those, I mean, we are doing those things. You will hear, you know, Chelsea was consolidating a position. So we gave	01:09:45
	one of their people some increase in salary. So, you know, we're, we're working on that. And I think that's is difficult from	01:09:51
	administrative level to get everybody. And, and the big thing is the squeaky wheel will be listened to. So if there are squeaky	01:09:57
	wheels, we're not going to hold it against them. Have them. I, I, I really don't want them to come to City Council, but I know	01:10:03
	that's what happens.	01:10:09
	Because you guys shouldn't be involved in personnel. But but if it does bring it to me and we'll look at that person and it'd be	01:10:16
	nice for them to have the ability or the confidence to come in and talk to you. It's so hard. You know, they don't like talking to	01:10:21
	me because I can.	01:10:26
	Mean, but, but no, but bring it to the bring it from you guys and I'll be more than happy that we look at it and then, you know,	01:10:32
	we've been here too long. If there's something that needs to be done for somebody and it they'll get moved up, you know, there's	01:10:38
	no question about that. We'll do that. But you know, I mean, we're, we're headed, we were headed to $15.00 an hour and we achieved	01:10:44
	it.	01:10:50
	Now your hamburger is going to cost another 20% if we go to $20.00 an hour because McDonald's is going to say.	01:10:57
	Big sign up saying $18.00 an hour for but but you know, that's the old story about rising tide. But I'm just saying that's that's	01:11:05
	what the.	01:11:10
	That's one of the problems and I believe like if they deserve to be paid, they deserve to be paid. I'm not saying, and I don't	01:11:17
	know administration side of that. I just know that 5% for somebody making 100,000 versus 5% of somebody making $17.00 an hour is	01:11:22
	significantly different.	01:11:27
	Just bring me a name. You can do it anonymously or whatever. I actually don't have any names. I'm just curious from the from the	01:11:34
	council meeting where we said in April we're going to try to just understanding the process as a new counselor, how the budget	01:11:40
	works. It's coming. No, no, but it's coming, I think.	01:11:45
	And I'll tell you, not this just a year, but the next fiscal year, I may have to raise property taxes to pay for the firefighters.	01:11:52
	That did make some money available for police and we're going to try to get the firefighters moved up. I just saw on the Facebook	01:12:00
	the, the starting is $40,000. You know, that's $20.00 an hour. That doesn't include for any benefits, which is about 20%. So I, I,	01:12:07
	it's difficult. 20 is a good number to shoot for. We, we had a number to shoot at 15. I think I, when I stayed there was like 750	01:12:15
	or 625. Yeah, I'm not even saying that's the right thing to do. I'm just following up on what we said, that's all I'm.	01:12:23
	You guys are, you know.	01:12:32
	And Joe, this is budgeted at 5%, but Deborah had brought that up and we decided, you know, in January we'll look to see if	01:12:33
	somebody gets 2 1/2 by 7. You know, we, we will discuss that.	01:12:39
	I'm sorry the core people left, but I hear that their union is in litigation with them right now.	01:12:47
	For salaries.	01:12:53
	I have to say that, Miss Dean, nevermind. Come on. No, we were, we had, we're not done with this, this discussion yet, but we had	01:12:55
	to get the budget together. And you know, she's done a good job. And I think every meeting we talked about how we can make that	01:13:01
	happen.	01:13:07
	And you know, revenue is good. I mean revenue is good. And I can't, can't say that we're we're we're talking for, we're not doing	01:13:15
	that. And we're trying to feed that into salaries, feed that into equipment. That's where we're at.	01:13:22
	And just on that note, Christy told me today there's probably about 130 students that applied for the summer youth program. So it	01:13:31
	went up from last year. So, you know, there are kids out there that want to work. So and I upped that also to 250,000. I had it at	01:13:37
	165, but I up to 250, you know, so that's a benefit for the community.	01:13:43
	Berlin is looking for an age police chief. I hope Angel Garcia is not there. Where is he? There he is. I thought you were applying	01:13:50
	for the police chief, but I guess not. Did you see that where they he left to go to Alaska?	01:13:58
	Has two years. They turn over every two years. We should do that more often.	01:14:07
	That's not a headache, it's an action item. So if you make a motion, we pass resolution number 0018 at Preliminary budget.	01:14:14
	Move to segment discussion all of favor Aye, the ambulance write off. Before you hear about this, I want to give tell you	01:14:24
	something we've been working on. I haven't heard from Sandoval County, but there's a company that the state actually told us about	01:14:32
	at the EMS meeting in Ruidoso that Chief Baca was at. And the company says that the city can put up some money and it goes to the	01:14:40
	state. It doesn't go to that company that I wanted to make sure.	01:14:47
	You can put up $211,000 and by March or February you'll get back the 211,000 + 500,000 because Medicaid has not been reimbursing	01:14:55
	rural areas like it should be. So I just wanted to say that because there's an ambulance write offs, but I'm going to have to come	01:15:05
	to the council with the resolution that you agree to that and we got to do it before the end of June.	01:15:15
	Yes. So we can piggyback Sandoval County Artesia.	01:15:26
	Las Cruces. Las Cruces.	01:15:33
	Carlsbad.	01:15:37
	So they've already done it, they've passed this resolution, but it means fronting $211,000. To me, that was like a Nigerian scam.	01:15:40
	You know, you give us your bank account for 10,000, we'll give you another 40,000 in six months. But the check would be.	01:15:48
	Well, it's secure because it goes to the state, which I don't trust either. But but, but a check will be written to the state of	01:15:59
	New Mexico, not to this company. So that's Mr. Salome.	01:16:04
	Uh.	01:16:10
	Their plan in place for them to run their own ambulance service. We just feel that it's, that was a plan. That's the plan. That	01:16:22
	was, was the plan. And they got an ambulance for that. However, I don't think they have the personnel to do it. And we're still	01:16:30
	making trips to Magdalena. We're making trips. We're making 30% of all our trips. Agita, Magdalena, San Antonio, the Interstate	01:16:38
	down to the, you know, county lines. So we're doing about 30% of that. And then I just the other day showed me a stack. I must	01:16:46
	have been 200 bills.	01:16:54
	That came back with no addresses. That's the people that were don't live in the city, so we are doing that.	01:17:02
	We actually asked if they would trade us ambulances, an old one for the new one. Didn't get anyone. So you're right, we do go to	01:17:10
	Magdalena. I understand the hospital was asked to get a transfer ambulance, but they turned us down. But you know, that's our	01:17:18
	responsibility, just like it was with a Senior Center. We're going to, we're going to be there and support that. I just kind of	01:17:25
	wheedled another 340,000.	01:17:33
	To get a new ambulance. So we did get that money and so we're trying. But you're right, I mean, we're giving services that are	01:17:41
	not.	01:17:45
	Quote UN Quote paid for but.	01:17:50
	What do you suggest? I'm not sure what they do.	01:17:53
	I'm thinking that if we are providing these services to Magdalena and they're fine with that, well, I don't, I don't feel like	01:17:57
	they'll ever try to step up and provide their own ambulance service. If we're doing it for them, they won't do it. I would need	01:18:03
	the City Council to to put in a, put in a.	01:18:10
	Request to the PRC to decrease our region because we are now we are.	01:18:18
	Tariffs were tariffs for the county.	01:18:24
	We're not tariffs just for the city. So our our responsibilities have to do with the county. That is that, I mean, I don't	01:18:28
	understand it, but is that billed to like their medical insurance and then the city's reimbursed for it or no, We build it, we	01:18:34
	collect it, we collect it. But I think she's about what, 70,000 short of 800,000?	01:18:40
	So we collect, we collect, we collect 30 percent, 40%, but we're tariffed. If we build 1000, we get 300 and that's what this this	01:18:48
	amount is being proposed.	01:18:54
	Get back from the feds what we've lost.	01:19:00
	But that means fronting 211,000 missions or providing services to people that need services. If you need an ambulance, I think	01:19:04
	they should have an ambulance. But I feel that to, to raise rates or ask the residents of Socorro to pay a little bit more and,	01:19:11
	and Magdalena's getting this service and maybe we're getting 30% of the, of what we're standing up there. And I, I just feel that	01:19:18
	it's not, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the residents to do that. I think that if we had asked the mayor or the, the, the	01:19:26
	council in Magalina.	01:19:33
	New ambulance, I think they would they should say, you know what you should have a you will trade you that old ambulance for this	01:19:40
	new ambulance for them to not want to negotiate or try to help out in any way tells me that, you know, they're probably not	01:19:46
	looking at being a self sustained ambulance service for themselves. And as long as we're helping and I'm not saying cut them off	01:19:53
	or that, but I am saying that I just don't think it's, it's incumbent on our residents to support outside Magalina, which I love	01:19:59
	Magalino and and all that.	01:20:06
	But it shouldn't be a responsibility of our community to do that. And and you know, if we raise property taxes to pay for EMT's	01:20:12
	and fire, I mean, that's, that's going to be a question. And have we reached out to the mayor? I did and to the county Donald, Mr.	01:20:20
	Mayor, I spoke with Mayor Rump at the dot transportation meeting in Williamsburg a couple weeks ago. And he really, he's looking	01:20:27
	for ways to show his gratification for our services out there. He just hasn't found it in his budget yet.	01:20:34
	It is not and it's not going to be much. He looked at it. He looked into his back pocket like, but you know, they do. I will. I do	01:20:42
	not want to leave the county hanging though. They do. We build them 40,000 a year and up until I guess it's coming, you know, to	01:20:50
	check us in the mail. But they actually paid back. They were, they were down 120,000 and we got them to pay up and I think they	01:20:58
	owe us another 40. So they have been paying 40, but a new ambulance instead of 190,000 is 380,000.	01:21:06
	Is doubled in price, the same box, the same engine?	01:21:15
	Ours, I've got 300,000 miles on it because we do these transfers, Yeah. And if you multiply it 30% outside the county and you	01:21:21
	collect 30%, that's 9%.	01:21:26
	That's just that, you know, so you're not collecting, you know you're not collecting.	01:21:33
	I mean, we keep our head above water, but that's because Amana works really hard at it. And, and Chief Bakash, we're trying to	01:21:38
	keep the rolling stock rolling and it takes two years to get an ambulance. So we got to put the order in now. And I think he did.	01:21:45
	He, he put in a yeah. So, so hopefully we'll, we'll keep rolling, keep passing or banking money to get the next ambulance will be	01:21:51
	500,000. I mean, sure.	01:21:57
	Unbelievable.	01:22:05
	Well, thank Mr. Make a motion we passed resolution #01C-001 Move to 2nd discussion. All in favor utility bill charge of this is a	01:22:08
	write off for the uncollected utility bills. These are all closed accounts and active accounts. What percentage of that Less than	01:22:15
	1%.	01:22:23
	So, Mr. Logan, make a motion for to pass resolution #24-05-28A.	01:22:31
	Discussion all in favor.	01:22:41
	And new business. Anybody got a new one more resolution? The Senior Center. Senior Center. I see. I'm sorry, Ruby. Senior Center,	01:22:44
	ICLP. What's this all about? 2026 to 2030, that's like four years from now.	01:22:51
	We're doing 2 years from now.	01:23:00
	Mr. Mayor, I can help answer that.	01:23:03
	The ICIP Lena Lena put this together, it's the same as.	01:23:06
	Is the cities in a sense, but the city will have its own, which will come to a vote in July. Have our own way, our own IC IP. But	01:23:11
	they, we like senior centers to have one because they have their own pot of money for capital outlay. So what does that say? We	01:23:19
	have to develop one for them. We've, we've got the one from the, from the, that the county was using. And you updated it. Mr.	01:23:26
	Rogan, make a motion pass resolution #24-05-28B move 2nd and all in favor, aye.	01:23:33
	The new business.	01:23:41
	No new business, Miss Dean. Oh, I just had to mention one thing. I also went to that meeting in Williamsburg last week or a couple	01:23:44
	weeks ago. I was my first one representing Socorro for that transportation, transportation planning. I will say that Donald gave a	01:23:50
	great presentation.	01:23:56
	He we had two projects, Manzanaras and the area around the courthouse, they give us like a scoring sheet. You have all these	01:24:03
	bullet points that they're supposed to hit on, yes.	01:24:08
	On everything the best you got what, a million 7.	01:24:14
	He will. He will ask. We moved. Maybe. Maybe we didn't.	01:24:21
	I thought I saw the guys picking up recycling at the old Sands Motel location. We used to be at Trips. Is that a permanent spa?	01:24:26
	What are you doing?	01:24:30
	Can we make it more visible with signage?	01:24:38
	They're supposed to be doing that. They have money to do it. Thank you.	01:24:42
	Have fancy colored stuff and yeah, she's stuck on doing murals right now and Transformers, so she's going to do that, I think.	01:24:46
	Councillor Dean was done on a Saturday.	01:24:54
	Because I talked to Michael about that last week and he's considering taking away The Saturdays. He says there's no participation.	01:24:57
	Well, I think if we made it more visible and.	01:25:02
	We'll do, we'll do it, we'll get it. I don't want to do my recycling. So that's really no, that's certainly should be done. Well,	01:25:09
	we need to sign it. They used to find the place in the Plaza, but if you just new locations available, I think people will show.	01:25:15
	And then the truck was parked like way off. You couldn't see it from the street. I mean, it was way off.	01:25:21
	I'm going to send to, Councillor, Dean said. You guys are hiding.	01:25:31
	But anyway, no, that's we got to sign they have like 35,000 or something like that to make it more visible and do all the stuff	01:25:37
	that they're supposed to do. And there's also more up to our ears and grants, but there's also recycling grants out there that	01:25:42
	these programs.	01:25:47
	And all the business have we done something we didn't say we're going to do, we didn't do.	01:25:55
	You've got the old business out there, any anybody, anything from our department heads, Mr. Martinez.	01:26:01
	N.	01:26:09
	That's $7000 in the store and even though you make some Thai pocket useful.	01:26:12
	In that area and we're excited to spend as much money as we can.	01:26:17
	So that project won't be done and then.	01:26:22
	A while, become a design for bathrooms and then I'm going to have a meeting so we can see what kind of what they want in that	01:26:27
	room. You know, some of that stuff. So we're still taking a while, but it's moving.	01:26:33
	Within a month we already got the pull up. We have the power there, we have everything passed through CID, so we're ready to put	01:26:41
	it up. And you're talking about the sign at the.	01:26:47
	And we did not get money to finish Cuba Rd. We do have 800,000 project with a million.	01:26:54
	We asked for 400. We didn't get it. Speaking of Williamsburg, they got it.	01:27:05
	Because the person on CDBG is from.	01:27:12
	But anyway, so we're Mr. Amuna and Mr. Mayor, we're meeting with the people from Santa Fe tomorrow at 11 to discuss our options	01:27:16
	with the grant that we did receive because we haven't signed the grant agreement yet because it would have committed us to the	01:27:21
	400,000.	01:27:26
	And Manzanaris, we're looking to extend that at least by the coop, but that we're trying to I think Donald presented that also. So	01:27:32
	we're working on that walkway is Mr. Everything else is getting finished. Mr. How do you put in a new vote? Remember I told you	01:27:39
	about limiter lane, not limiter. What is it? Santa Fe lane. Santa Fe lane. The drainage has got to be fixed on that before you	01:27:47
	know, we did do a Cutler paving on that.	01:27:55
	But the drainage is so bad on that South end that we have to load. I mean, that's something we have to do, but you're right.	01:28:03
	Did we put?	01:28:11
	Yup.	01:28:17
	Sometimes on top of the ramp. So I mean that that that's, that's a big budget and you put a speed, did you put a speed bump out	01:28:25
	there?	01:28:29
	On Santa Fe Lane.	01:28:35
	Main.	01:28:42
	OK, I thought Kathleen wanted it on Santa Fe Lane Is your dirt file?	01:28:46
	I should have just had a person reach out to me about like a children at play sign in in an area. Is it where would they go to	01:28:53
	request that? Just tell me where you want to so it's.	01:29:00
	Miguel told me there as Leroy turns into as you hit those 8 frames and you kind of come around that corner there that people drive	01:29:07
	pretty quick, faster, turns into a nail. No Leroy going north-south, no north. And then I can't think of Mary Place, yes.	01:29:16
	Oh, right. At the till end of that, they said that there's a lot of kids that play in that area and they just put it down, Put it	01:29:27
	down. Thank you. They're old business.	01:29:32
	All right. Job description, Donald.	01:29:39
	The first job description is a Senior Center office assistant. They will be actually. This person got hired back in the fall and	01:29:47
	we never had the job description approved, so we're asking the council to approve that. The others are what you discussed about	01:29:54
	the changes at the library. They use services manager and the reference services.	01:30:01
	2nd So again, second discussion all in favor, aye, the whole bunch of personnel changes.	01:30:10
	Christian attorney Fire Mt 856 to 58 Robin Romero. Circulation manager, 42 to 44 Joe Jose Ruiz. B39 to B41. Marvel Tarango. This	01:30:20
	is our library. 39 to 41 Carol Hale. Additional job duties, 42 to 44 Chelsea Jones.	01:30:30
	66 to 68 and she's doing a great job with a lot of stuff. Has nothing to do with the library by the way, so keep working extra	01:30:41
	stuff.	01:30:46
	That's great. James Gomez, police officer, 62 and 63. Joseph Silva, police officer, completed Academy 62 to 63 as the lower senior	01:30:52
	cook. Desiree Smiths, Senior Center office assistant and the Christopher Gonzalez, lead driver. Timothy Gonzalez, driver. And	01:31:00
	that's all from the Senior Center and Kathy Spring Library. She is retiring. She's done a great job and hopefully we can give her	01:31:08
	something to remember us by.	01:31:16
	Maybe at the next meeting or whenever.	01:31:24
	Put it put together, great.	01:31:27
	Make a motion. We approve the personal list.	01:31:31
	All in favor, aye. We've got Grego Propane and Service on Spring Street and Coronado Electrical, Vincent Gutierrez, commercial and	01:31:36
	residential.	01:31:42
	Mr. Mayor, again make a motion. We approve the business registration 2nd.	01:31:50
	Moving to second all in favor, aye? What do you think about summer hours?	01:31:55
	You want to do a lunch meeting and an evening meeting for June, July and August. I don't know what you want to do.	01:32:02
	We are asking.	01:32:09
	We're asking the council to cancel the actual June 4th meeting because the only thing on the agenda so far is the third one. Just	01:32:11
	do one meeting on the 18th. Can we do that till September?	01:32:16
	Huh. Yeah, yeah, just just for the summer. And Ruby brought up today that she would like the meeting in July on the 23rd. So,	01:32:24
	well, whenever you want it, but try to make it once a month. How about that?	01:32:29
	In the evening.	01:32:36
	No more controversies.	01:32:38
	I saw the Coop guys just took off after Edward. I hope they didn't kill him on the way out.	01:32:41

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	Where's Polo? California. A lot of that guys were going to a Dodgers game. Well, let's see if you didn't have a job when he comes	00:00:00
	back.	00:00:05
	City Council meeting Tuesday, May 28th. Air Vascular here. Councillor Dean. Councillor Fleming.	00:00:10
	Councilor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here, Councillor Salome here. We have a quorum.	00:00:20
	United States of America and what she says. One nation under God, indivisible in liberty and justice for all.	00:00:34
	Approval of the consent agenda.	00:00:52
	Mr. Roosevelt. Mr. Romero.	00:00:55
	Second discussion all in favor, aye.	00:01:01
	And we're down to the public forum already.	00:01:06
	Anybody any ideas? Yes ma'am.	00:01:10
	Hi everyone. Amy Kimball here I.	00:01:15
	I'm looking forward to the city pool being open and I looked at the hours today and I was surprised to see that it's just	00:01:19
	scheduled to be open from Tuesday through Friday this year. Last year it was open on the weekends. And I assume this is something	00:01:26
	to do with money and or logistics. And so I was wondering how and when the decision gets made about the city pool hours. I want to	00:01:32
	point out that it's it's a really great resource. I don't, I don't have a family here myself and I have kids, but I assume that it	00:01:39
	gets enough.	00:01:45
	From last year to but also I know it's really.	00:01:52
	It's a pretty important resource for community members who are training for the triathlon, which is at the beginning of August.	00:01:55
	And it's going to be pretty difficult to do that with those hours for people who have a normal, normal work schedule. So just	00:02:01
	wanted to mention that and ask. It's a good point, the two reasons maybe Lloyd or Donald want to speak to that or I can.	00:02:08
	Without anything.	00:02:23
	And it's posted because they, they, they, they recycle the water, they have chemicals to the water cool and then go. And then on	00:02:26
	Monday they left. They recycle the water and then life car screening and then it's open. You know, it's Saturday. OK, I'm really	00:02:34
	glad to hear that the hours posted online are, are wrong. Then it's do you know this Saturday hours? Is it still 12 to 4:30?	00:02:43
	Sorry.	00:02:54
	OK.	00:02:58
	You know, the other problem we do have, and I'm glad they were here to answer that question, is finding lifeguards. It's not as	00:02:59
	much as but the budget, but finding lifeguards and the other thing, we found that on Sunday.	00:03:06
	Our numbers drop and so we have good for the first week or two and then the numbers drop and that is a budget question, but and I	00:03:14
	are we charging this year.	00:03:19
	It's not free online.	00:03:26
	Yeah, so, and we're trying to get the Conservancy to help us because stay out of ditches. That's one of their big programs. And so	00:03:31
	they they have helped us sponsor swim lessons and help us keep the pool open so that people don't go in the ditches. Michael.	00:03:39
	Huh.	00:03:48
	Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying the Conservancy hopefully will help us out. They gave us $10,000 for the past, I don't know how	00:03:51
	many years.	00:03:54
	It did also say actually that the swim lessons would be free for kids this year, so that's also wrong.	00:04:00
	That's last year's.	00:04:11
	Information.	00:04:13
	Get a hearing aid.	00:04:17
	Have you guys had a conversation back there? I don't know what are you talking about.	00:04:22
	That.	00:04:29
	It hasn't been updated. They haven't updated. We'll put it on. We'll put it online, we'll put it in the residential bills. We'll	00:04:30
	get that information out, though. Glad you brought it up on this. Yeah, I'm just wondering. So. So I understand that the	00:04:38
	lifeguards are typically high school students. That's what I was. Well, The thing is, Tech also takes a lot of the lifeguards, so	00:04:45
	we always have problems. I mean, I don't know how the deal is this year, but when we raise their salaries to match Tech, so.	00:04:53
	You know, that that's our biggest and now we do have a head lifeguard, but it's, it's always trouble getting life lifeguards. And	00:05:01
	then we also sponsor the swim team. So, you know, they get they get a chance to do that also. So I mean, we're trying to get	00:05:06
	everybody involved.	00:05:11
	Sounds like you're doing what you can and the and the trilathalon is in August. Yep. So there is one other issue which also	00:05:18
	happened last year. OK, again, it's the if the dates are from last year, then maybe this isn't totally relevant, but.	00:05:25
	The pool actually closed about several days before the before the triathlon. It would have been nice to have it open for training	00:05:32
	up until that, I think. Well, that's it. School's going to start very early this year, August 6th.	00:05:39
	August 2nd, which sometimes when they when the schools open.	00:05:48
	If, if the people can want to want to practice, we're going to have to get some waivers on lifeguards. And I think Lloyd, I mean,	00:05:55
	we can try to, we do. Have we kept it open before?	00:06:01
	Last year that wasn't the case.	00:06:15
	Thank you. Or maybe it was. It wasn't clear until the last week. I kept asking.	00:06:17
	Get that information out too. But it's it's summertime. We're getting ready to. I'm glad you brought that up a good subject.	00:06:29
	Thanks a lot. Thank you anyone else who would like to make a comment.	00:06:35
	Partridge is your wrestling pyramid. How was that? And it was, well, Steve Prue and the guys are throwing around. They're a	00:06:42
	phenomenal job. It's getting easier and easier every year. They Is that right, Steve?	00:06:49
	Is it getting easier and easier?	00:06:58
	Yeah, it was 1038 participants.	00:07:02
	A belly in it. And he's got a new roller. He's proud of his new. It really made a difference because the Mets weren't, you know,	00:07:46
	they weren't. There wasn't a pool in the middle. So it turned out nice. That's an event that Mary Baskill, my wife and I flew the	00:07:54
	owners down, but nine years ago, eight years ago. And they didn't want to do it because of the outdoor arena. And then COVID hit	00:08:02
	and I called the owner back and said, hey, it was an outdoor event. Think about it and say, yeah, let's do it.	00:08:10
	Came down three years ago, so it's increasingly got better. They've already confirmed that they'll be back next year.	00:08:18
	Some of these little tokens, I told them, any guys give these to the counselors. There's a little Bible verse on the back from the	00:08:25
	wrestling tournament, the name of its heroes, Conquest, and that the Maribel over there.	00:08:30
	That's what the kids went for first place.	00:08:37
	Yeah, that's the first. That's the championship belt. So it's a big organization. They do 27 shows around the country for for	00:08:43
	youth wrestling.	00:08:47
	Christian based organization, good, good folks. I think Mr. Fleming was in contact with me quite a bit for the sound and that's	00:08:53
	that was really good and and Steve.	00:08:58
	Seem to be, Yeah, we don't have any hiccups.	00:09:05
	Put that Western Council.	00:09:09
	Because the the wind was the wind was a challenge for that tournament for and the one we do in July 2, it's a little bit of a	00:09:14
	challenge, but this is a plastic the whole arena. And then they use gaffers tape on the edge of the mat and they tape down. So now	00:09:19
	the wind can't get underneath it.	00:09:25
	The kids, it turned into an overnight event because they have to weigh in the day before the rest of the next day. So even though	00:10:10
	it's one day event, it's typically two. So and the one we have in July is would be 3 days because it's, yeah, it's a three day	00:10:17
	event. So it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Weren't they putting in a Wi-Fi line? I thought we were going to get that done.	00:10:24
	Western.	00:10:32
	Donald, Donald didn't say when we gave him that piece of property over there. They said they were gonna yesterday. We're gonna	00:10:34
	hook us up to the, the Convention Center and the rodeo arena and RV park. I'll, I'll try to ready to follow up on that.	00:10:40
	Well, I mean, we appreciate tech doing that, but I mean, we need to have, we need to have the. Yeah, definitely. There was an	00:10:49
	Ethernet cable available that makes the up and down much faster because the Wi-Fi is great for things. But when we run the	00:10:56
	computers, it's better if it's it's wired into a computer tower and then there's a switch and all those are wired. You guys got	00:11:03
	everything on? Yeah. It's unbelievable how well they do. Yeah, it's pretty.	00:11:09
	It's unbelievable and so, but thanks for the council support. Even before I was sitting here, the council's always supported	00:11:18
	wrestling. Mayor Bhaskar has always been a big advocate for us, for wrestling and we appreciate that.	00:11:23
	Lessons growing here and we're we're grateful for the opportunity to Russell here. So now we're planning to wrestle out the	00:11:29
	support. Thank you guys.	00:11:32
	Became a city councillor is on those and the good job you do with the community. Peter, how is the Memorial Day? That went very	00:11:37
	well. We had a a great lineup of speakers and all yesterday it was well attended and just a wonderful ceremony. You know, I think	00:11:44
	it's something important that we should do every year.	00:11:50
	And we do it for veterans. And but I was really proud of the way the Veterans Park has come around and Lloyd and your your crew,	00:11:58
	the Parks and Rec, they were there. Mr. Lopez and his. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it was really well done. Done.	00:12:07
	OK, now I'm trying to install this but Ed you are.	00:12:18
	This is a. As promised, you've got.	00:12:22
	Ed Reyes, who is our financial and.	00:12:28
	Special consultant for the electric, he's been given numbers that we got from hospital tech schools and he's put those together.	00:12:33
	He has the worst scenario and he has the best scenario. So we're going to we're going to have him present to the council and we	00:12:39
	may need.	00:12:45
	Magnifying glass, but he's got a table of things that go from worst to best.	00:12:52
	There you go, now at the bottom.	00:13:12
	To do it in presentation mode.	00:13:15
	At the bottom right.	00:13:18
	And this scenario is the industrial park.	00:13:24
	There's some big users there. There's also residential that we haven't really put in. But then we've also taken into account the	00:13:27
	new junior high that's coming up. He's taken into account the revenue for that.	00:13:34
	And the.	00:13:43
	The thing that he will show you is, like I said, depending on how we get the money, at what percentage and if we get solar, how	00:13:45
	would that work out? So he's got that all set up for you. Good mayor, counselors, thanks for having me.	00:13:52
	Going to the first one, we'll just get rolling. So I wanted to give a little brief background of where you know where this	00:14:01
	started. So if we go along goes all the way back to prior to 2015 even, but the last the study that was done, the original	00:14:06
	feasibility state was done back in.	00:14:12
	June of 17 by Forsgren. I did provide some some assistance for them with power supply and and a couple other analytics that that	00:14:18
	we worked on that I worked on with them back then as well. There were two service options that were considered over ground and and	00:14:26
	and overhead and underground. And the the initial cap cost capital X was you know, five and a half million or seven and a half	00:14:35
	million with bond financing assumed that at 3 1/2% roughly.	00:14:43
	The annual operating expense was about 3.75 to 3.9 and it included a power cost of $2.4 million a year. So the, and then the, the,	00:14:53
	the way that the, the, the report was put together, it was making an assumption that the assumed rates that would be charged would	00:15:02
	be at or at or below the SEC rates. Everything was measured against what the SEC rates were in the next.	00:15:11
	Since then, a few things have happened since the 2017 had a pandemic, significant supply chain constraints and that's put a lot of	00:15:23
	pressure on on the on substation, equipment, on holes, cable, you name it, everything, everything's gone up and it and it's been	00:15:31
	harder to get the big push with solar and batteries.	00:15:40
	Has also been a big issue solar batteries and, and the inverters, there's a lot of the components that are similar in the	00:15:49
	inverters and a lot of the components for, for Transformers, for substation Transformers. And so substation Transformers in	00:15:58
	particular have gone, gone sky high. They're probably around 2X of what they were back then in 2017.	00:16:07
	Since then we had the Energy Transition Act which which accelerated development of solar and and battery storage projects all over	00:16:18
	the state and and it is forcing some regional resource retirements. And so there are some, some supply constraints in certain	00:16:28
	areas of P and MP and M closed down San Juan, they were trying to, they were trying to unload their share of four corners.	00:16:37
	Coal plant which just recently got reversed and they'll be holding on to that until at least 2031. But generally in the regional	00:16:48
	wide, regional wide, there are some resource constraints I.	00:16:55
	Inflation, there's a little chart there. I mean, you know, back in 17 inflation is running around at 2.1% and right now for for	00:17:03
	2024, the expectation is about 3.3.	00:17:10
	But in 2022 it jumped as high as on an annual rate that year was 8%. So when you Add all that up, you get, you get a, a	00:17:18
	significant increase in, in the, in the cost of pretty much everything. I mean, it's all 60% higher. Just about everything is 60%	00:17:26
	higher on the material side. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I guess labor hasn't, you know, so people aren't making as much,	00:17:33
	they're not making 60% more, but labor costs have gone up as well.	00:17:41
	That on an average of about 11 to 12%.	00:17:49
	So at any rate, that's that's what we're looking. I mean, June of 17 it was one the funds rate, federal funds rate was 1.16%.	00:17:53
	Current federal funds rate right now is 5.33%. So those are the things that have changed since 2017. Next time.	00:18:01
	So in the model itself, so I, I, I didn't have the, the original model that Forgegrind did. I took the, I took a lot of the	00:18:11
	information that they provided back then. And then, and then we built a new model to take a look at what this would, what this	00:18:18
	would look like.	00:18:26
	So we had, as everyone knows, you have a, you had a preliminary substation and system design done for 260 grand or something like	00:18:35
	that recently that came back with a preliminary design and an estimated cost of over 12 and a half million dollars. So it's the,	00:18:43
	the old, if you remember the one before it was 5 1/2 and seven and a half and now it's 12 1/2. So yeah, the, the costs have gone	00:18:51
	up a ton. Still looked at targeted loads in New Mexico tech schools and industrial corridor.	00:18:58
	That does include city accounts, doesn't include. Apparently it doesn't include the the chargers. We'll have to find that. We'll	00:19:07
	figure out where that is. Yeah, we have to figure out where that is.	00:19:13
	So what I did and and I've done this on on a cup for a couple of different clients, but we built, I built a ground up operational	00:19:20
	model based on a standard municipal budget. So it took there's, there's like three or four different communities in.	00:19:30
	New Mexico and in Colorado and one in Utah that, that I'm able to pull data down for their standard budgets and I can take them	00:19:40
	line by line and build a line item budget all the way up to what it would a, what an electric utility budget should look like. So	00:19:49
	people, capital, materials, everything. It's 100 and 8200 lines of budget budget items.	00:19:57
	So that was developed. I did that from the from the from the bottom up. We did update the wholesale power supply cost power supply	00:20:08
	back then was expected to be about 3.8 to 4.2. That was the that was the range that we were looking at at the time in 2017.	00:20:18
	With the resource constraints.	00:20:29
	Last year was probably closer to $55 a MW hour. That's five, you know, that's, that's a lot. So five and a half cents per kWh just	00:20:31
	for the energy. And then you have to add everything else on up from 3.8 to 4.2. So that that went up significantly, 20 to 25%.	00:20:41
	That said, that is starting to abate if you look at. In fact, I was just showing them today.	00:20:54
	California ISO, what they call the energy imbalance market, which is what the, all the marketers and, and all the utilities, if	00:21:01
	they need energy at any given time during the day, there's they and they're out of balance. So their supply is low, but their load	00:21:07
	is high. They got to buy it from the market. And if their supply is too high and they're loaded and show up, then they're selling	00:21:14
	it into the market. Well, right now with all the wind and all the solar that's been built and developed and installed over the	00:21:21
	course of the last 2-3 years.	00:21:27
	For the last three months the the New Mexico, the New Mexico, what they call L&P is the location pricing. The pricing for energy	00:21:35
	has been negative for about 10 to 12 hours a day. So starting at, you know, 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning, prices are are literally	00:21:44
	dipping to zero and then below 0. So today when we looked it was 5:30 in the afternoon, 530 in the evening. California prices were	00:21:53
	$4.00 negative and New Mexico prices were $0.40 negative.	00:22:02
	MW hours. It's I mean it so you get paid. They're paying us to use. They would be yeah, you if you were, if you were sure you	00:22:11
	would be getting paid to take energy off of the system because the wind was blowing and it's sunny and there's a ton of it. That	00:22:18
	also does create an opportunity for putting in batteries because for the last 3 1/2 months, during the day, you would have been	00:22:25
	paid to charge your batteries and then you could discharge them whenever you wanted with free energy.	00:22:33
	So anyway, that's the, that's some of the things that have changed and some of them we didn't. We don't have that in the model	00:22:40
	right now. And then on options for financing, we still looked at municipal bonds, at the federal funds rates. We're looking at	00:22:46
	5.3. That was 5.3, four we think.	00:22:52
	I think by time by time you could get everything moving.	00:23:00
	Expectation is we're going to see about a percentage percentage point decrease I.	00:23:05
	Feds already started to make some chatter about it and I think the first one should come maybe in June, if not in June. We're	00:23:11
	expecting to see one at least in August and then another one in October and potentially in December. So we should see 3/4 of a	00:23:17
	percent between now and the end of the year and then by by this time next year, probably a full percentage point down. So that	00:23:23
	would bring that federal funds rate down from 5.3 down to about four, four and a half, four and a quarter. So that that's that's	00:23:28
	what we're expecting.	00:23:34
	Private and bank financing so.	00:23:41
	One of the proposals that you had back in 2017 was from Guzman, who you've met.	00:23:45
	And they had, they had proposed an offer to finance the building. Well, finance the capital needs to get everything started.	00:23:52
	That's that is that's, that's one of the assumptions in that second one and then the third one. But in either of those cases after	00:24:01
	one year of operations, we would have the city would apply to NMMFA and try to get.	00:24:07
	Mortgage Finance Authority money which at the time when in 17 or we were looking at this.	00:24:15
	MFA when he was, it was about 1.7%. So that's Donald. What did they tell us for? Yeah, they're four. They're about at 4 now. Yeah,	00:24:20
	they're still, they're still kind of, yeah, they're still lower than fed funds rate. But yeah, they're, it's right around one.	00:24:28
	They expect again, the expectation is about 4% once you get that converted and then the, the, the other is the same type of	00:24:35
	financing.	00:24:43
	We've assumed that we're going to do we're going to do you're going to do solar in this model and significant amount of solar. You	00:24:51
	know you, you was that. No, it wasn't here. It was at the Convention Center back in the fall, I believe when the guys from ICAST	00:24:58
	came and went through the presentation on on going after different grant money and they they've already identified three or four	00:25:05
	different grants that that are potential. There's one for the state of Mexico that just got awarded other than 560 million or	00:25:12
	something like that. That's.	00:25:18
	One that just got awarded recently and that's that solar for all. So that's, that's one that the state will the state doesn't have	00:25:26
	all the rules out yet, but as soon as those rules out, they'll start playing for those grants as well. OK, next one. And that's in	00:25:33
	the process just for the the the council to know Donald with the deadline was at the end of June or was it the 300,000 for the	00:25:41
	planning grant? Yes, Sir. I think it's around the 25th of June 25th. So we've already started on that process.	00:25:49
	Yeah, that's the planning grant for professional services that they'll pay for.	00:25:57
	There they'll get a grant so that the grant pays for the design citing all of the other you mean you have to do a, you have to do	00:26:02
	a, a phase one environmental study and you got to do art study and you got to do all of that. This would that grant would pay for	00:26:09
	all that to get the site developed basically and ready for construction. So moving to the results, again, this is the first one,	00:26:16
	but fully blind financed. Look at the federal funds rate. It's actually more like an MFA rate. We're looking at like somewhere	00:26:22
	around 4%.	00:26:29
	Installation of about 7 megawatts or solar, funded through federal and state grants.	00:26:37
	Well, federal and state grant, state grants, federal, some federal grants. And then also anything that does come out from the city	00:26:42
	would come under their direct pay, which is the IRA has for solar for for solar development, for public, for public entities. You	00:26:51
	weren't able before to take the tax credits because you don't pay taxes.	00:26:59
	And what they changed there was they put this new, new program for direct funding. So you go spend the money and then you apply to	00:27:09
	the IRS and then the IRS gives you the gives you the the tax credits and in the form of a check. And so right now.	00:27:19
	You're already you would get the 30% tax credit for solar renewables that's already baked in. And then you would apply for low	00:27:30
	income 'cause there's AI believe the city would end up qualifying for low income community. And so that would also go into that go	00:27:38
	into those grants as well. So that's and that's 40% off of the top. So that's, I mean, that's kind of a given. And then I cast is	00:27:46
	looking at another 20 to 50% in grants.	00:27:54
	That they would get so it could be up to I'm not fully funded, but pretty darn close to fully funded. That's what this one looks	00:28:03
	at pretty much fully funded service to all the city facilities, tech schools, industrial corridor, about 200 plus accounts and	00:28:10
	little almost 8 megawatts of peak demand produces an enterprise surplus of about a half, $1,000,000 average over the first five	00:28:18
	years. So each year or one year average per year.	00:28:25
	That's it. And that's, that's solar. No, that's for the whole, that's for the entire utility, the utility itself, enterprise fund.	00:28:35
	So if you build the utility, get it running over the first five years, the expectation is you'd get about it. You'd have about a	00:28:42
	half, $1,000,000 of, of surplus based on, based on leaving rates the same. So if they were the same as SC CS rates would be, it	00:28:48
	would be, you'd have about 1/2 a million in surplus.	00:28:55
	I mean that that.	00:29:04
	Says that you don't change the rates if you change the rates, obviously you lower the rates and you would eat up surplus. But it's	00:29:06
	however it's how you want, however you want to look at it, you know, and and whether or not City Schools, hospital, everyone wants	00:29:13
	to get slightly lower rates or do they want to help fund other benefits into the city. So however that you know, whatever you want	00:29:20
	to do that. And next one is the council know these are packages. I don't know if you see how each bullet point is.	00:29:28
	And those packages have to deal with 9% or 4% loan to build the the substation. Plus if you're able to get enough solar at a very	00:29:36
	low cost for nothing, you can feed into the grid and not really be paying anything for electricity. And the first scenario	00:29:44
	generates funds even though your your debt service might be at $1,000,000.	00:29:52
	And so that's that's those are each one of those bullets are for that package.	00:30:03
	In each one of these scenarios that we ran on the operational budget is almost identical to to what they had assumed back in 2017.	00:30:08
	That part didn't change much because.	00:30:15
	There were when I, I don't, I never saw their full build up from the ground up. So I don't know how exactly how they did it, but	00:30:23
	but the, the, the budget that I put together is on on an equal basis with three different municipal utilities in the state. So	00:30:30
	it's real close.	00:30:37
	Again, this would have installation of first the private bank and financing. So you would start out with private financing at	00:30:46
	something like 9%.	00:30:50
	Operate for a year or two or a year and a half, however long it would take to get MFA financing. MFA wants the one year of	00:30:56
	operational experience prior to doing a loan conversion. So we do converted financing after, you know, 12 to 16 months, 18 months,	00:31:02
	convert that note and then take on an MFA mortgage for the, for the balance of that period. And it's, it was figured at 20 years	00:31:09
	as well.	00:31:16
	Same services, tech, schools, hospital.	00:31:25
	Cities, city buildings and then that one produces a surplus of 32,000 for the first year, first two years and then half a million	00:31:29
	after the conversion. So you know, you, you still, you're losing out on in the beginning because you're paying a ton in financing	00:31:37
	cost, but it picks up after you get the, the, the financing converted.	00:31:45
	Right, The next one last ones to the here are the financing is this is again the same you have 9 converting down to four with MFA,	00:31:54
	7 megawatts of solar, but only 50%. So this would this assumes now that instead of being able to find enough grants and and	00:32:04
	everything else to to get this down to almost three, you're only going to get 50% of it paid for and so.	00:32:14
	That, that reduces the, that reduces the amount of the, we'll call it free energy. I mean, you're paying for it up front and then	00:32:24
	you're getting it. You're getting it over time. But that what that does is it lowers the wholesale power cost that you're going to	00:32:30
	have to buy from a Guzman or whoever, whoever you ultimately decided to buy your wholesale power from. So that's where that,	00:32:36
	that's where that change comes from.	00:32:42
	And in this case it produces.	00:32:50
	About balanced, it's it's it's.	00:32:54
	Meaning, you know, there's, there's probably some things we could skinny, there's some things that might come in fatter, but it's	00:32:57
	about a balanced budget. So that, and that means that you do that and you, you won't make any more money. You won't be able to	00:33:04
	lower rates initially, but but the rates won't go up and you'll own your utility.	00:33:10
	And then again, this is assuming that the rates are the same as the co-ops. This is assuming the rates are the same as the co-ops.	00:33:18
	And if you really want to be bored.	00:33:23
	Edwards got all the data piled up and we can make that available to you as to how it came to those numbers and what the revenue	00:33:28
	was. And he used those real bills that we actually got from the users, not from the coop, but from the users to for him to build	00:33:36
	this scenario. So we built the we had made some assumptions back in 17 on what the load looked like and as it turns out the the	00:33:43
	loads are really close. I mean it's.	00:33:51
	There's the demand side is, is almost identical. Energy side is a little bit lower. We don't have, there's about 1515 potential	00:33:58
	customers that we don't have data on. So and if you took those and if they, if you brought all that data and brought all that load	00:34:08
	in, it should be about even with what we had assumed back in or what they had assumed back in 2017. So it's really close.	00:34:17
	But yeah, that's that's what it produces a a balanced budget for an electric enterprise.	00:34:27
	And the last one, we just do a quick little summary here. So that's what the numbers look like from a surplus or or deficit.	00:34:33
	In in years, in years four and five under scenario 3, which is the worst one because you're not getting you're not getting a fully	00:34:46
	funded solar facility. You've got years four and five. And the reason that those are that those are negative is that after.	00:34:55
	You get started, you're going to have some equipment that has to be replaced and you're going to have to start a kind of a	00:35:05
	rotating capital budget and and you're going to have to start feeding additional capital in the system as as things start to break	00:35:12
	and as you start replacing things, as you start to grow the system. But that's what it that's what it'll ultimately look like. And	00:35:19
	we can, we can send them all of this on APDF. Can we send that? Yeah, we'll send you all the information.	00:35:25
	So the the all of them require significant grant funding or tax credits. Direct pay credits, not tax credits.	00:35:35
	Um, they, they are, I mean, they're dependent on a, on a favorable bond market or a favorable decision from mortgage finance	00:35:44
	authority. And that's, that's a, that's a big deal. And if you can't make, if you can't get the debt conversion, then the, the,	00:35:52
	the whole thing, the tanks. So you have to get the debt conversion.	00:35:59
	Do we have other, I would imagine we have other things that we've used there the the mortgage conversion for another projects, is	00:36:08
	that pretty common?	00:36:13
	I was going to ask Mary Ann, you know, you got a building that's being built for like 14,000,000 and you got 4 million from the	00:36:18
	state and you have investors that got tax credits for investing into that and your debt services. I mean, so so there and I cast	00:36:25
	actually helped them put that, that that building together. So these things yeah. And I I think NMFA did they tell us that they	00:36:32
	financed.	00:36:39
	Akamai or which one?	00:36:49
	MFA did finance Akamai, they finance Takama electric Utility. So then so there is models for this. Yes, my question, yeah. My	00:36:51
	question is, is the financing look feasible? Like I mean, obviously you're putting up there, we think it is, but have we gone	00:36:57
	through that process before with anything else that we've done to where we we have a pretty good idea that we could get the	00:37:03
	financing?	00:37:09
	Financing right projects, we do it with, you know we've done it with the.	00:37:16
	With a rodeo center, we've done it with that was a million. We've done it with the Convention Center. So yeah, I mean we've we've	00:37:22
	done it within every Ruby probably can speak to it more than I can as to how she deals with and you know when we do with the	00:37:27
	landfill, when we have to go out, we, you know, landfill sell with like a million something. Is that NMFA or is that somebody	00:37:33
	else?	00:37:38
	So, you know, we, we did a, we did A and for the budget, which Mr. Fleming, the chairman, we, we owe about $18 million.	00:37:47
	In in loans that we've done through NMFA, USDA. So that so yeah, we just asked you a question. We've done that. The standard	00:38:05
	financing would be I mean not myself and here is it the standard bond financing would be general obligation revenue bonds. So you	00:38:12
	mean you put the you put the model together and then you.	00:38:20
	Sell the You sell the bonds and you have to pay the bonds back with the revenue. So things change.	00:38:29
	The only, the only stipulations that would be in the revenue bonds is that you, you have to have, you have to have an annual	00:38:35
	projection for debt coverage. So if you're, if it's coming in low, you got to raise rates to cover the to cover the bonds and make	00:38:43
	sure that your coverage ratios are adequate. Any one of those scenarios is assuming that we do get MFA or is there one that	00:38:50
	doesn't? The first one is just bonds is just going after municipal bonds.	00:38:58
	Fully fully bonded.	00:39:06
	We've had a conference with MFA.	00:39:10
	They were not very optimistic the first year because they need revenue numbers, but they said after that, once we give them the	00:39:14
	revenue numbers and the amount of money that we need, they will then work with us. They also have a grant program, but we're not	00:39:21
	going to be able to qualify for that. That's what they said. That was the bad news. But they, but they do have monies to fund and	00:39:28
	like I said, they did Acumen Pueblo and we can you know, with their, with their electric utility.	00:39:35
	And I don't know what that what was that at 8,000,009 million, but yeah, I think is 8 and a half million. So so they have they do	00:39:42
	they do that. And just to clarify that is equipment that's to staff the project he has on that PDF if you want to go, I didn't	00:39:50
	ask, I told that don't everybody's eyes will glaze up. But he built it from the bottom up with operating maintenance equipment,	00:39:57
	substation, putting money away for replenishment. He's got all that.	00:40:05
	You know he's got that in the.	00:40:12
	Yes, so there's a.	00:40:14
	In that last one in three, the 112 million, that's why you see him drop the earnings drop in the in year four is there's an	00:40:16
	assumption for some replacement. So there's a new CapEx infusion that has to go in. So maybe like you know it's 125,110 thousand	00:40:23
	of additional CapEx that needs to go in.	00:40:31
	But that's a you know, it could be a truck. It could be, you know, it could be.	00:40:39
	Just be equipment, whatever it might be. But he's built all that into the into the graph at the table. And so and he wanted to	00:40:44
	pick out each one of them. You know, it comes to about 13 and a half million dollars with a, with a debt service and the, you	00:40:51
	know, just the build out. Yeah, the build out of the substation and the substation to, to be honest.	00:40:59
	The substation is a is a is a dual transformer sub.	00:41:08
	Fully built out.	00:41:14
	I mean, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful design.	00:41:16
	And it's probably, I'd, I'd say it's probably 30% overbuilt for the initial project. So you know, there, there's A and there's a,	00:41:20
	there's a potential there to be able to, if you don't think that it's going to, you don't think you're going to be able to grow	00:41:27
	the load fast enough, you could start with the smaller Transformers or at least one smaller transformer and then and then upgrade	00:41:34
	the, the second transformer later.	00:41:41
	A bigger transformer and that, that would be, I mean it probably it reduced the cost by a couple $1,000,000. And it's that	00:41:48
	there's, there's different options there. I think the big one is, I mean that the, the big number is the Transformers in the	00:41:54
	substation.	00:41:59
	And we had initially, like I said, we thought it would be 5 1/2 to 7 1/2 and it's a lot better. We were looking at, we just built	00:42:05
	out a.	00:42:10
	Well, it's it's a lot bigger, 345 KV.	00:42:17
	Substation addition It was a three breaker ring out at Hickory a Hickory Apache Nation for 310 MW solar facilities and.	00:42:22
	The initial numbers that we had were about 11 and a half million, twelve and a half million. That was back in early mid 19. And by	00:42:35
	the time it got, we got everything done and got ready, pandemic hit supply, I mean everything hit and all of a sudden it turned	00:42:42
	into about 15 1/2, almost 16,000,000. So just just in that time frame. So there's there's I mean there again, there's a lot of	00:42:49
	there's a lot of other variables that are that are built in. So I think that.	00:42:57
	The 16, I'm sorry, the 13 million for the substation is probably a pretty good solid number for right now and it's already, it's	00:43:05
	already got a lot of extra cost built into it, so.	00:43:13
	So those three, those 3 scenarios.	00:43:23
	All depend on solar, reduce depend on solar. And So what I'm asking the council is that, and we've already you've already asked me	00:43:26
	to be able to deal with ITAST. And so they're already working on trying to get the solar project put together given the funding. I	00:43:33
	think the state has put out 125 million for rural and and people that are low income people. So we're we're in line for something	00:43:40
	for that. So those are the things that we're going to be working on next.	00:43:47
	And that is put together and like I said, he built it from the bottom up with his numbers and, and he'll share that with you.	00:43:56
	We'll share that with the council. So you can look through each of the numbers about buying trucks, utility trucks, buying holes,	00:44:03
	all that stuff for that area. And the last thing, but that's what I'm trying to get out there is that.	00:44:10
	City debt service isn't going to be any different than than club debt. So I mean you borrow money, borrow money. So your your debt	00:44:17
	structure is going to be pretty much identical.	00:44:22
	Yours on a debt per revenue basis would be quite less because?	00:44:27
	You're you're going to be in a much more dense build here.	00:44:34
	The operations you would assume that you're going to pay people to do a job, then they're going to be about the same and then	00:44:38
	power costs would be the assumption is the power costs are going to be significantly lower and we.	00:44:45
	I can tell you that I believe that the fire costs will be significantly lower and the elections coming up, I'm sure the Fed is	00:44:54
	going to help out.	00:44:58
	Whoever needs it, it's going to go down by a percent. This is a scenario. And the other thing that I'm going to drop the other	00:45:02
	foot on is a shoe on, not the foot. Is that Las Cruces about 12 years ago?	00:45:09
	More than that. Oh yeah, Back in. I think they finished that in 1996 or 1997. Yeah, but 2526 years ago at least.	00:45:19
	Soon the.	00:45:29
	El Paso Electric and condemned their system for the use of the city winner. Our lawyer was involved in that and Las Cruces won	00:45:31
	that case and I have the documents for you if you'd like to see those. And so condemnation is the other shoe dropping and that	00:45:39
	would be for the whole city. And it hasn't given me any specific numbers, but if we took the whole city as a whole, financing and	00:45:47
	paying for debt service is not going to be a problem.	00:45:55
	We're trying to pick this industrial link together to see how we can do it. But if we took the whole system and we can develop	00:46:04
	some numbers on that because we we have some information that I think we can build that from the bottom up too would not be a	00:46:12
	problem in any problem. It would make revenue for the city. So that's the other shoe. But right now what we're waiting on is	00:46:19
	trying to get some help with I cast to see what kind of grants are going to be available to us.	00:46:27
	Into those 3 scenarios.	00:46:35
	Answer the phone, man. Come on.	00:46:39
	Your phone, but anyway.	00:46:42
	Any questions from the council? Any questions? We got a bunch of people from the Co-op. Any questions from you guys? Ted Martinez	00:46:46
	is here. Mr. Capps is here. Mr. Bowie just stepped out. Jared is here. We'll make this, you know, if our requests have been coming	00:46:53
	hard and fast these days from the However, they want everything. They want to see my text from my wife. They want to see	00:47:00
	everything. But when I ask request information from them.	00:47:07
	Forget it. You're not going to get it. We don't have it. We can't even show it to you. So so we're, you know, we're trying to be	00:47:15
	friendly to them, but they're not being very friendly to us. But I'm here. The house is open if you guys want to ask Mr. Reyes any	00:47:20
	questions, Sir.	00:47:25
	Jared, Mr. Boli, anybody want to ask any questions about our our future and our financing? You're more than happy to work. I put	00:47:32
	them on the spot, but I'm more than happy to answer any other questions.	00:47:39
	Correct. Can you repeat it right now? Can you repeat the question he was asking about the negative pricing. And so it's it's the	00:47:54
	IM market, the EIN market. You have to be a participant in the IM market to be able to do it. But so right now we have.	00:48:03
	One client now that's already built and the other one that's getting built and those will be two facilities that are going to be	00:48:14
	in the IM. So they will be marked participating assets in California ISO and that's the way we're looking at them is that they are	00:48:21
	a great market opportunity for that period of time in the if the.	00:48:28
	I guess the market is negative then. You get paid to charge your batteries.	00:48:36
	I what they're, what they're, what we're looking at is actually putting them in. I mean we're looking at putting them in the	00:48:44
	market the best the battery, battery storage, putting them in the market as they load and then getting paid to charge during the	00:48:53
	day for what now has been over three months straight of average about 8 hours a day. That's been negative. I don't know if it's.	00:49:01
	Yeah, it's been, it was negative today for 7 1/2 hours, 7 hours. I mean since the 8:00 this morning, 8:00 this morning is about 14	00:49:11
	bucks at 5:00 is $14.00 in California is 43 cents negative here. So there's negative all day long and it and it wasn't even that	00:49:18
	windy last week when two weeks ago when it was really windy, we were negative $46 here and it was negative by 60 bucks in	00:49:25
	California. So yeah, take advantage of those places.	00:49:32
	Backing down to be able to.	00:49:42
	Yeah, you have to. You have to be, you have to be under schedules and taking money and taking energy off the mark, off the IMF.	00:49:45
	Yeah.	00:49:48
	And the assumption is that in that their power supplier is going to be, you know, obviously they're in the market, so their power	00:49:53
	supplier will manage that. So hand over the the best and then let them let them manage the resources that they have. They have	00:50:00
	full access to it and they can run it however. And that's what we're doing with two different clients right now.	00:50:07
	And we have.	00:50:15
	By the end of next year, I think there will be a total of.	00:50:17
	About 30, about 30 megawatts that will be sitting in the Cali, so as participating market resources.	00:50:21
	You know, and I think there was a question, well, how are we going to do this? You know, we have consultants who are really up to	00:50:30
	date and, and, and up to date with everything that's going on the electric market. And that's that's how we're going to do	00:50:36
	businesses with people like Mr. Reyes and Nan Wenner and and are legal and I cash. So that's how we're proceeding. And the other	00:50:43
	thing is Miss Chavez Lopez is not withstanding. We never went into executive session. We could have possibly gone into executive	00:50:49
	session to discuss all these options.	00:50:55
	There and we don't do that we are an open meeting tight public body and we don't we try to put sunshine on everything that we do.	00:51:02
	We don't have executive session and if we did we wouldn't exclude certain members of our City Council from our executive session.	00:51:10
	So so that's that's you know that's how the city does business and the public understands that I hope that we always are are are	00:51:17
	open and and willing to have a discussion about what we're doing and we do that on behalf of the city and I think.	00:51:25
	US selling electricity.	00:51:33
	That would be the the way we would do it is do it in an open session type meeting and no hidden mystery black boxes.	00:51:34
	And thank you again for coming down and, and having the meeting with us. And we will make available to the City Council all the	00:51:43
	different calculations that he made. We're waiting for ICAST to see if we're going to be able to get that that grant to do the	00:51:49
	planning. And once we get the grant to do the planning again, you authorize us to go ahead and work with our cast doesn't cost us	00:51:55
	any money. They only get paid if they do well and they put that into the to the grant writing so that that's what we're doing	00:52:00
	right now.	00:52:06
	Pot of money that's available yeah and that that was something that just came what, two weeks ago, a week ago about looking at	00:52:50
	bringing in that much solar. And so that that's that part I'd say it's not not fully ready for public consumption. I have to clean	00:52:58
	it up a little bit because it was a big change and that's a $78 million just to let the council know that would be about A7 MW	00:53:07
	right now they're running you know it's.	00:53:15
	Right around about a dollar Watt and maybe a dollar four to a dollar dollar 12. But once you get up into that 5 to 710 MW range,	00:53:24
	the the prices are coming down. It's back down to you know, could be down to 9293. Everything's starting to fall again. Finally,	00:53:33
	how much is that big array? Do you know how much the one that we have? Well, the that one I'm not sure.	00:53:42
	I think that one's all through Facebook. It was private funded.	00:53:51
	The ones we have out at Hickory, it's 310, I know that.	00:53:55
	The numbers that have been cast around are the the, the whole facility, everything included all the other, you know, all the, the	00:54:01
	different investors are in about right around 300 million, a little over 300 million for.	00:54:08
	But it's 310 megawatts.	00:54:16
	And they're selling to P&M. They're selling 100 hundred megawatts of solar and 20 megawatts of battery storage to P&M under two	00:54:20
	separate well 3 contracts plus one solar contract for what they call the P&M Solar Direct, which is.	00:54:29
	Solar that PM is bringing into their system and then selling directly to, to the city and to a few different customers, just	00:54:39
	industrial customers. No, Well, it's, it's very similar to what they're doing with Facebook. Facebook has 175 megawatts I think is	00:54:47
	what they're up to now. I mean they, they have like 4 different facilities that they've built and they're bringing those in. PNM	00:54:54
	buys it and then sells it to them basically just with a management fee and transmission.	00:55:01
	That's how that and that's how this whole direct went. The other facility is part of the San Juan replacement. So in San Juan	00:55:10
	retired, they went out to bed to go find replacement resources and the that's 50 megs of solar and 20 megs of battery storage.	00:55:18
	That one is also that's under two different contracts, the solar by itself and the battery storage as an energy service agreement.	00:55:26
	Those were public. You mean you can look at that. I think the battery storage has ended up being like 950 at kW month.	00:55:34
	For the capacity charge for the use charge.	00:55:43
	And then?	00:55:45
	The solar for.	00:55:48
	The first solar was 21 1/2 cent or 21 1/2 dollars, so 2147 or something like that. So literally 2.1 cents. That's what it was back	00:55:51
	in 2018 when they did that project. And then of course things are a little bit more expensive now. But you know, when you get up	00:56:00
	to that scale at 50 megs, 100 megs, then if the the cost have come down a bunch, I mean, they're now, they're still, they went up.	00:56:08
	But they're still in the in the mid 30s and you can get a big project for the mid 30s or three cents, 3 1/2 cents. Mr. Parker to	00:56:18
	follow up on Counselor Dean question. So you'll provide the spreadsheets or or the so that we can look that over.	00:56:25
	Make it presentable so that you know you can follow. I'd hate to have I mean, it's it's my it's it's my, I call it somewhat almost	00:56:35
	rudimentary work product that that I.	00:56:41
	Build off of.	00:56:48
	That wasn't meant for a full presentation, but I, I can all clean it and and and provide the the back the back energy for the the	00:56:50
	back data for it. So you know when we can expect it around.	00:56:57
	I'll work on it this week, maybe a couple weeks. OK, Thank you. Yeah, I just got to get it cleaned up and.	00:57:05
	It has a lot of questions. There's a lot of things that are up here that aren't in there.	00:57:13
	Thank you. Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it.	00:57:19
	OK. We have the ICIP hearing #2 Mr. Logan going to public hearing for the ICIP #2 second all in favor. Anyone out there that has	00:57:25
	any additions to ICIP that we've been discussing?	00:57:34
	Mr. Williams.	00:57:44
	Mr.	00:57:49
	After yesterday's ceremony, the only other thing that I think maybe we need to add on there is.	00:57:50
	We started redoing the Veterans Parkway back in 2010, 2011, to get it to the point where it is now, which is very nice. But we're	00:57:57
	going to need to do some upkeep. And then there's things we need to add to bring it up to date because the history of the park	00:58:04
	stops at Vietnam.	00:58:10
	Oh, yeah. So, Lloyd, I think we could get together if you can give us your specifics. I've got an idea, Mr. Put that updating the	00:58:17
	Veterans Park.	00:58:22
	And it doesn't matter where it's at, just that we have it on the list and get to it eventually so.	00:58:29
	You're saying that as a veteran?	00:58:36
	Don't say that, OK. I have another item that since we're already working on a on the Community Center remodel, I happen to go to	00:58:39
	the community kitchen and the place is kind of looking a little getting a little old because, you know, I mean, it's been there a	00:58:47
	while now, even though they're replacing a lot of equipment and doing good things in there.	00:58:54
	I just kind of thought that maybe and I don't know whose responsibility, but the lighting seems to be very outdated and there's	00:59:02
	there's a few things like that. I didn't know if we could incorporate that.	00:59:07
	My only problem is that is the management has been so nebulous as to who's managing the community kitchen. We even offered to take	00:59:15
	it over if they would turn over all the equipment to us and it would be a city project. It is not a city project. We just rent	00:59:21
	them $100 a year with it.	00:59:28
	A month, whatever. But it's not, it's not our project and we upgraded it. I think we put in Windows and I think we did some other	00:59:35
	things, but we don't really get any regular regular.	00:59:41
	Information about it? Well, it's my understanding that the Chamber of Commerce, whoever that is, is still involved.	00:59:50
	Mirja has been trying to help them. They wrote some grants to get more equipment. So I think those folks are all kind of working	00:59:57
	together so.	01:00:01
	It would be nice if they give us a report quarterly or half every six months or something about what's going on in there. I was	01:00:06
	just concerned that there were some people that were coming from Los Lunas because they were using that kitchen. I, you know,	01:00:11
	that's when he's got plenty of money.	01:00:16
	It is now called a regional community kitchen. It's not just a Socorro.	01:00:23
	But anyway, that would be nice if somebody who was official would come and talk to us. I know Mr. Doctor Smoke and other people	01:00:34
	had before, but I haven't heard from them for four or five years.	01:00:39
	Should we go back into regular session? Make a motion to go back to regular session 2nd.	01:00:48
	Moved and seconded on to Aye. Opposed the preliminary budget. Mr. Fleming, is there anything specific I'd like to say? Have	01:00:52
	everybody pay attention to this wonderful girl over here who's put in many hours along with the budget committee. Ruby. OK, Mayor,	01:00:59
	Council. So I have our preliminary budget. I met with a budget committee, Deborah, Mr. Fleming and Anton, and I'm just going to do	01:01:06
	a quick outline.	01:01:14
	So we have our beginning cash balances about 10 million.	01:01:22
	Of that 10 million, about a million is it for reserves for all the loans we have general fund, I have revenue increase of about.	01:01:26
	8% and expenditures are about 8% also.	01:01:35
	That beginning cash balance would change once I do the fourth quarter and I do the final budget.	01:01:40
	Join Enterprise.	01:01:46
	Cash balance has gone down because we paid for the CNG trucks, the compactor.	01:01:49
	I have reimbursements out for those one point 9,800,000 that we should be getting going to cash balance. We do have salary	01:01:54
	increases about 14%, but in those salary increases, PRA went up, Health insurance went up 10% this year. I don't know if it's	01:02:00
	going to go up next year, we don't know yet.	01:02:06
	We have the police officers on the grant. We're at 25% this fiscal year, so we have to sustain the officers for giving them	01:02:13
	raises. Senior Center, we're taking over Vegita. It's going to be two temp employees. The cooks will go full time. Linda will be a	01:02:20
	director. We have a couple of positions going from temp to full time. Mayor has suggested that the operators get moved up there	01:02:28
	handling backhoes, the garbage trucks.	01:02:36
	So we're, we put them up, I can't quite put them at $20.00 an hour, but once they get through their certifications, we're looking	01:02:44
	at probably close to 18, a little more. We do have schooling and training in the budget capital outlay. I'm working on police	01:02:50
	fleet, looking on loan grants. That money would come out of EMS. It's about 6 vehicles. An ambulance is on order. We're looking at	01:02:55
	about a year, but that was funded through the state 100%. There is a transportation ban on order. Hopefully we get it by the end	01:03:01
	of this fiscal year.	01:03:07
	There's going to be some capital outlay for landscaping, tennis courts. The mayor wants the landscaping around town several	01:03:14
	places. The equipment pretty much we got pretty, we got the equipment that's needed. We do need a loader at the landfill and	01:03:22
	that's like 365,000. So I'm going to look into possibly a loan or at least and see when at the Waysexpo. Actually the lowest if we	01:03:29
	leased it, we're looking at like 9%. So interest rate is really up there.	01:03:37
	The library.	01:04:17
	They're changing, She's losing an employee, but she's had to move her employees within and not fill that vacancy. She's going to	01:04:19
	wait a little bit and if she feels she needs to fill it, then we'll work with budget roads. There's a lot of projects going on. So	01:04:27
	on Fund 309311, I'll do it on final budget because they just finished Fowler, they finished.	01:04:35
	Which other streets?	01:04:45
	We did receive a new compactor, we received a new CNG trucks and those are the two loans, sorry, our jet service, the two new	01:05:25
	loans we got and then we did pay off the water line replacement loan.	01:05:31
	But I don't know if you have any questions, Mr.	01:05:39
	Mayor, you know, I want to thank the committee.	01:05:44
	For working so hard and coming up with some very good ideas and the yellow lady behind the podium over there, and we're very	01:05:47
	fortunate to have her because she stays on top of everything.	01:05:56
	And keep us in the city of Flow.	01:06:07
	Questions.	01:06:11
	And the part in April, we whenever we gave, I think we gave admin raises. We had talked about you'd look at in July and I, I had	01:06:13
	wrote down that yet it was said that everybody would be moved up in the city to $20.00 an hour or you would try to at that time.	01:06:19
	Was that considered during the budget committee?	01:06:25
	By January it was considered unfortunately you know where I'm working on that hopefully in final budget I did put. So I do have	01:06:31
	increases in there, but just because it's a budget, I'll meet with committee and they'll decide who we move up. So I did put	01:06:39
	across the board budget, but it's up to we decided to wait till like January to see where we're at. But like I said, the operators	01:06:46
	were looking at getting them to close to $1820. The budget can't sustain that then I'd have to raise.	01:06:54
	There's there's a 5% across the board.	01:07:02
	Percent across the board budgeted in there then. And then there's specific, you know, the fire department, we're trying to bring	01:07:04
	the fire department up. So we're working on that. Operators, we're trying to bring operators up. Unfortunately, laborers are going	01:07:10
	to have to be laborers. I mean, unless they get certified for different things. The sewer plant, we're having problems keeping	01:07:16
	people at certain.	01:07:22
	Certifications, so we're trying to bring them up. So those we're we're getting poached from everybody.	01:07:30
	And so we're trying to keep the people that have the certifications and trying to bring their salaries up. And those are going to	01:07:37
	be more individual and there will be some some complaints. But the bottom line is to try to keep the people that have certificates	01:07:44
	that are getting pushed by other cities and so forth. Those are the ones that we're considering bringing up.	01:07:51
	And thank you. So I do have that budgeted. And then if they go to class or they get some kind of certifications like their water	01:07:58
	level one level 2 fire department, they go all the way to I think a fire tube. I have all that budgeted. But if they don't hit	01:08:06
	that in that budget, then they don't get that raise. But it's in, you know, I would like AI would like a, a, a perhaps some help	01:08:13
	in how we would put that together. That's very difficult for me.	01:08:20
	Miss Charlotte was also. Does everybody have the chance to get certified? I mean, if they come up to you and.	01:08:28
	Everybody has that chance, Absolutely CDO's, we're just getting people that are getting CDL's at the Transportation department. We	01:08:35
	had people here in the administration that got certified for federal projects. So everybody in each department, if they have	01:08:42
	specific things they can give you certified, they have the availability to do that.	01:08:48
	Mr. Suleimi, just at one point to have folks that were certified to maybe offer some tutoring or some evening classes to support	01:08:56
	some of the folks that would like to get certified. So they have some place to go to ask questions to get some some help. I think	01:09:03
	that's a good idea. Pay and we could pay that person a stipend or an hour, but eventually they're going to have to go to some	01:09:11
	place that can stamp it for them. Yeah. So, yeah, just a tutor them up. How can we have two microphones?	01:09:18
	I think we're missing a chair.	01:09:27
	Sure.	01:09:31
	I don't like any microphones and now I got two. OK the this right there.	01:09:34
	See, but don't put it on your phone.	01:09:41
	But anyway, so those, I mean, we are doing those things. You will hear, you know, Chelsea was consolidating a position. So we gave	01:09:45
	one of their people some increase in salary. So, you know, we're, we're working on that. And I think that's is difficult from	01:09:51
	administrative level to get everybody. And, and the big thing is the squeaky wheel will be listened to. So if there are squeaky	01:09:57
	wheels, we're not going to hold it against them. Have them. I, I, I really don't want them to come to City Council, but I know	01:10:03
	that's what happens.	01:10:09
	Because you guys shouldn't be involved in personnel. But but if it does bring it to me and we'll look at that person and it'd be	01:10:16
	nice for them to have the ability or the confidence to come in and talk to you. It's so hard. You know, they don't like talking to	01:10:21
	me because I can.	01:10:26
	Mean, but, but no, but bring it to the bring it from you guys and I'll be more than happy that we look at it and then, you know,	01:10:32
	we've been here too long. If there's something that needs to be done for somebody and it they'll get moved up, you know, there's	01:10:38
	no question about that. We'll do that. But you know, I mean, we're, we're headed, we were headed to $15.00 an hour and we achieved	01:10:44
	it.	01:10:50
	Now your hamburger is going to cost another 20% if we go to $20.00 an hour because McDonald's is going to say.	01:10:57
	Big sign up saying $18.00 an hour for but but you know, that's the old story about rising tide. But I'm just saying that's that's	01:11:05
	what the.	01:11:10
	That's one of the problems and I believe like if they deserve to be paid, they deserve to be paid. I'm not saying, and I don't	01:11:17
	know administration side of that. I just know that 5% for somebody making 100,000 versus 5% of somebody making $17.00 an hour is	01:11:22
	significantly different.	01:11:27
	Just bring me a name. You can do it anonymously or whatever. I actually don't have any names. I'm just curious from the from the	01:11:34
	council meeting where we said in April we're going to try to just understanding the process as a new counselor, how the budget	01:11:40
	works. It's coming. No, no, but it's coming, I think.	01:11:45
	And I'll tell you, not this just a year, but the next fiscal year, I may have to raise property taxes to pay for the firefighters.	01:11:52
	That did make some money available for police and we're going to try to get the firefighters moved up. I just saw on the Facebook	01:12:00
	the, the starting is $40,000. You know, that's $20.00 an hour. That doesn't include for any benefits, which is about 20%. So I, I,	01:12:07
	it's difficult. 20 is a good number to shoot for. We, we had a number to shoot at 15. I think I, when I stayed there was like 750	01:12:15
	or 625. Yeah, I'm not even saying that's the right thing to do. I'm just following up on what we said, that's all I'm.	01:12:23
	You guys are, you know.	01:12:32
	And Joe, this is budgeted at 5%, but Deborah had brought that up and we decided, you know, in January we'll look to see if	01:12:33
	somebody gets 2 1/2 by 7. You know, we, we will discuss that.	01:12:39
	I'm sorry the core people left, but I hear that their union is in litigation with them right now.	01:12:47
	For salaries.	01:12:53
	I have to say that, Miss Dean, nevermind. Come on. No, we were, we had, we're not done with this, this discussion yet, but we had	01:12:55
	to get the budget together. And you know, she's done a good job. And I think every meeting we talked about how we can make that	01:13:01
	happen.	01:13:07
	And you know, revenue is good. I mean revenue is good. And I can't, can't say that we're we're we're talking for, we're not doing	01:13:15
	that. And we're trying to feed that into salaries, feed that into equipment. That's where we're at.	01:13:22
	And just on that note, Christy told me today there's probably about 130 students that applied for the summer youth program. So it	01:13:31
	went up from last year. So, you know, there are kids out there that want to work. So and I upped that also to 250,000. I had it at	01:13:37
	165, but I up to 250, you know, so that's a benefit for the community.	01:13:43
	Berlin is looking for an age police chief. I hope Angel Garcia is not there. Where is he? There he is. I thought you were applying	01:13:50
	for the police chief, but I guess not. Did you see that where they he left to go to Alaska?	01:13:58
	Has two years. They turn over every two years. We should do that more often.	01:14:07
	That's not a headache, it's an action item. So if you make a motion, we pass resolution number 0018 at Preliminary budget.	01:14:14
	Move to segment discussion all of favor Aye, the ambulance write off. Before you hear about this, I want to give tell you	01:14:24
	something we've been working on. I haven't heard from Sandoval County, but there's a company that the state actually told us about	01:14:32
	at the EMS meeting in Ruidoso that Chief Baca was at. And the company says that the city can put up some money and it goes to the	01:14:40
	state. It doesn't go to that company that I wanted to make sure.	01:14:47
	You can put up $211,000 and by March or February you'll get back the 211,000 + 500,000 because Medicaid has not been reimbursing	01:14:55
	rural areas like it should be. So I just wanted to say that because there's an ambulance write offs, but I'm going to have to come	01:15:05
	to the council with the resolution that you agree to that and we got to do it before the end of June.	01:15:15
	Yes. So we can piggyback Sandoval County Artesia.	01:15:26
	Las Cruces. Las Cruces.	01:15:33
	Carlsbad.	01:15:37
	So they've already done it, they've passed this resolution, but it means fronting $211,000. To me, that was like a Nigerian scam.	01:15:40
	You know, you give us your bank account for 10,000, we'll give you another 40,000 in six months. But the check would be.	01:15:48
	Well, it's secure because it goes to the state, which I don't trust either. But but, but a check will be written to the state of	01:15:59
	New Mexico, not to this company. So that's Mr. Salome.	01:16:04
	Uh.	01:16:10
	Their plan in place for them to run their own ambulance service. We just feel that it's, that was a plan. That's the plan. That	01:16:22
	was, was the plan. And they got an ambulance for that. However, I don't think they have the personnel to do it. And we're still	01:16:30
	making trips to Magdalena. We're making trips. We're making 30% of all our trips. Agita, Magdalena, San Antonio, the Interstate	01:16:38
	down to the, you know, county lines. So we're doing about 30% of that. And then I just the other day showed me a stack. I must	01:16:46
	have been 200 bills.	01:16:54
	That came back with no addresses. That's the people that were don't live in the city, so we are doing that.	01:17:02
	We actually asked if they would trade us ambulances, an old one for the new one. Didn't get anyone. So you're right, we do go to	01:17:10
	Magdalena. I understand the hospital was asked to get a transfer ambulance, but they turned us down. But you know, that's our	01:17:18
	responsibility, just like it was with a Senior Center. We're going to, we're going to be there and support that. I just kind of	01:17:25
	wheedled another 340,000.	01:17:33
	To get a new ambulance. So we did get that money and so we're trying. But you're right, I mean, we're giving services that are	01:17:41
	not.	01:17:45
	Quote UN Quote paid for but.	01:17:50
	What do you suggest? I'm not sure what they do.	01:17:53
	I'm thinking that if we are providing these services to Magdalena and they're fine with that, well, I don't, I don't feel like	01:17:57
	they'll ever try to step up and provide their own ambulance service. If we're doing it for them, they won't do it. I would need	01:18:03
	the City Council to to put in a, put in a.	01:18:10
	Request to the PRC to decrease our region because we are now we are.	01:18:18
	Tariffs were tariffs for the county.	01:18:24
	We're not tariffs just for the city. So our our responsibilities have to do with the county. That is that, I mean, I don't	01:18:28
	understand it, but is that billed to like their medical insurance and then the city's reimbursed for it or no, We build it, we	01:18:34
	collect it, we collect it. But I think she's about what, 70,000 short of 800,000?	01:18:40
	So we collect, we collect, we collect 30 percent, 40%, but we're tariffed. If we build 1000, we get 300 and that's what this this	01:18:48
	amount is being proposed.	01:18:54
	Get back from the feds what we've lost.	01:19:00
	But that means fronting 211,000 missions or providing services to people that need services. If you need an ambulance, I think	01:19:04
	they should have an ambulance. But I feel that to, to raise rates or ask the residents of Socorro to pay a little bit more and,	01:19:11
	and Magdalena's getting this service and maybe we're getting 30% of the, of what we're standing up there. And I, I just feel that	01:19:18
	it's not, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the residents to do that. I think that if we had asked the mayor or the, the, the	01:19:26
	council in Magalina.	01:19:33
	New ambulance, I think they would they should say, you know what you should have a you will trade you that old ambulance for this	01:19:40
	new ambulance for them to not want to negotiate or try to help out in any way tells me that, you know, they're probably not	01:19:46
	looking at being a self sustained ambulance service for themselves. And as long as we're helping and I'm not saying cut them off	01:19:53
	or that, but I am saying that I just don't think it's, it's incumbent on our residents to support outside Magalina, which I love	01:19:59
	Magalino and and all that.	01:20:06
	But it shouldn't be a responsibility of our community to do that. And and you know, if we raise property taxes to pay for EMT's	01:20:12
	and fire, I mean, that's, that's going to be a question. And have we reached out to the mayor? I did and to the county Donald, Mr.	01:20:20
	Mayor, I spoke with Mayor Rump at the dot transportation meeting in Williamsburg a couple weeks ago. And he really, he's looking	01:20:27
	for ways to show his gratification for our services out there. He just hasn't found it in his budget yet.	01:20:34
	It is not and it's not going to be much. He looked at it. He looked into his back pocket like, but you know, they do. I will. I do	01:20:42
	not want to leave the county hanging though. They do. We build them 40,000 a year and up until I guess it's coming, you know, to	01:20:50
	check us in the mail. But they actually paid back. They were, they were down 120,000 and we got them to pay up and I think they	01:20:58
	owe us another 40. So they have been paying 40, but a new ambulance instead of 190,000 is 380,000.	01:21:06
	Is doubled in price, the same box, the same engine?	01:21:15
	Ours, I've got 300,000 miles on it because we do these transfers, Yeah. And if you multiply it 30% outside the county and you	01:21:21
	collect 30%, that's 9%.	01:21:26
	That's just that, you know, so you're not collecting, you know you're not collecting.	01:21:33
	I mean, we keep our head above water, but that's because Amana works really hard at it. And, and Chief Bakash, we're trying to	01:21:38
	keep the rolling stock rolling and it takes two years to get an ambulance. So we got to put the order in now. And I think he did.	01:21:45
	He, he put in a yeah. So, so hopefully we'll, we'll keep rolling, keep passing or banking money to get the next ambulance will be	01:21:51
	500,000. I mean, sure.	01:21:57
	Unbelievable.	01:22:05
	Well, thank Mr. Make a motion we passed resolution #01C-001 Move to 2nd discussion. All in favor utility bill charge of this is a	01:22:08
	write off for the uncollected utility bills. These are all closed accounts and active accounts. What percentage of that Less than	01:22:15
	1%.	01:22:23
	So, Mr. Logan, make a motion for to pass resolution #24-05-28A.	01:22:31
	Discussion all in favor.	01:22:41
	And new business. Anybody got a new one more resolution? The Senior Center. Senior Center. I see. I'm sorry, Ruby. Senior Center,	01:22:44
	ICLP. What's this all about? 2026 to 2030, that's like four years from now.	01:22:51
	We're doing 2 years from now.	01:23:00
	Mr. Mayor, I can help answer that.	01:23:03
	The ICIP Lena Lena put this together, it's the same as.	01:23:06
	Is the cities in a sense, but the city will have its own, which will come to a vote in July. Have our own way, our own IC IP. But	01:23:11
	they, we like senior centers to have one because they have their own pot of money for capital outlay. So what does that say? We	01:23:19
	have to develop one for them. We've, we've got the one from the, from the, that the county was using. And you updated it. Mr.	01:23:26
	Rogan, make a motion pass resolution #24-05-28B move 2nd and all in favor, aye.	01:23:33
	The new business.	01:23:41
	No new business, Miss Dean. Oh, I just had to mention one thing. I also went to that meeting in Williamsburg last week or a couple	01:23:44
	weeks ago. I was my first one representing Socorro for that transportation, transportation planning. I will say that Donald gave a	01:23:50
	great presentation.	01:23:56
	He we had two projects, Manzanaras and the area around the courthouse, they give us like a scoring sheet. You have all these	01:24:03
	bullet points that they're supposed to hit on, yes.	01:24:08
	On everything the best you got what, a million 7.	01:24:14
	He will. He will ask. We moved. Maybe. Maybe we didn't.	01:24:21
	I thought I saw the guys picking up recycling at the old Sands Motel location. We used to be at Trips. Is that a permanent spa?	01:24:26
	What are you doing?	01:24:30
	Can we make it more visible with signage?	01:24:38
	They're supposed to be doing that. They have money to do it. Thank you.	01:24:42
	Have fancy colored stuff and yeah, she's stuck on doing murals right now and Transformers, so she's going to do that, I think.	01:24:46
	Councillor Dean was done on a Saturday.	01:24:54
	Because I talked to Michael about that last week and he's considering taking away The Saturdays. He says there's no participation.	01:24:57
	Well, I think if we made it more visible and.	01:25:02
	We'll do, we'll do it, we'll get it. I don't want to do my recycling. So that's really no, that's certainly should be done. Well,	01:25:09
	we need to sign it. They used to find the place in the Plaza, but if you just new locations available, I think people will show.	01:25:15
	And then the truck was parked like way off. You couldn't see it from the street. I mean, it was way off.	01:25:21
	I'm going to send to, Councillor, Dean said. You guys are hiding.	01:25:31
	But anyway, no, that's we got to sign they have like 35,000 or something like that to make it more visible and do all the stuff	01:25:37
	that they're supposed to do. And there's also more up to our ears and grants, but there's also recycling grants out there that	01:25:42
	these programs.	01:25:47
	And all the business have we done something we didn't say we're going to do, we didn't do.	01:25:55
	You've got the old business out there, any anybody, anything from our department heads, Mr. Martinez.	01:26:01
	N.	01:26:09
	That's $7000 in the store and even though you make some Thai pocket useful.	01:26:12
	In that area and we're excited to spend as much money as we can.	01:26:17
	So that project won't be done and then.	01:26:22
	A while, become a design for bathrooms and then I'm going to have a meeting so we can see what kind of what they want in that	01:26:27
	room. You know, some of that stuff. So we're still taking a while, but it's moving.	01:26:33
	Within a month we already got the pull up. We have the power there, we have everything passed through CID, so we're ready to put	01:26:41
	it up. And you're talking about the sign at the.	01:26:47
	And we did not get money to finish Cuba Rd. We do have 800,000 project with a million.	01:26:54
	We asked for 400. We didn't get it. Speaking of Williamsburg, they got it.	01:27:05
	Because the person on CDBG is from.	01:27:12
	But anyway, so we're Mr. Amuna and Mr. Mayor, we're meeting with the people from Santa Fe tomorrow at 11 to discuss our options	01:27:16
	with the grant that we did receive because we haven't signed the grant agreement yet because it would have committed us to the	01:27:21
	400,000.	01:27:26
	And Manzanaris, we're looking to extend that at least by the coop, but that we're trying to I think Donald presented that also. So	01:27:32
	we're working on that walkway is Mr. Everything else is getting finished. Mr. How do you put in a new vote? Remember I told you	01:27:39
	about limiter lane, not limiter. What is it? Santa Fe lane. Santa Fe lane. The drainage has got to be fixed on that before you	01:27:47
	know, we did do a Cutler paving on that.	01:27:55
	But the drainage is so bad on that South end that we have to load. I mean, that's something we have to do, but you're right.	01:28:03
	Did we put?	01:28:11
	Yup.	01:28:17
	Sometimes on top of the ramp. So I mean that that that's, that's a big budget and you put a speed, did you put a speed bump out	01:28:25
	there?	01:28:29
	On Santa Fe Lane.	01:28:35
	Main.	01:28:42
	OK, I thought Kathleen wanted it on Santa Fe Lane Is your dirt file?	01:28:46
	I should have just had a person reach out to me about like a children at play sign in in an area. Is it where would they go to	01:28:53
	request that? Just tell me where you want to so it's.	01:29:00
	Miguel told me there as Leroy turns into as you hit those 8 frames and you kind of come around that corner there that people drive	01:29:07
	pretty quick, faster, turns into a nail. No Leroy going north-south, no north. And then I can't think of Mary Place, yes.	01:29:16
	Oh, right. At the till end of that, they said that there's a lot of kids that play in that area and they just put it down, Put it	01:29:27
	down. Thank you. They're old business.	01:29:32
	All right. Job description, Donald.	01:29:39
	The first job description is a Senior Center office assistant. They will be actually. This person got hired back in the fall and	01:29:47
	we never had the job description approved, so we're asking the council to approve that. The others are what you discussed about	01:29:54
	the changes at the library. They use services manager and the reference services.	01:30:01
	2nd So again, second discussion all in favor, aye, the whole bunch of personnel changes.	01:30:10
	Christian attorney Fire Mt 856 to 58 Robin Romero. Circulation manager, 42 to 44 Joe Jose Ruiz. B39 to B41. Marvel Tarango. This	01:30:20
	is our library. 39 to 41 Carol Hale. Additional job duties, 42 to 44 Chelsea Jones.	01:30:30
	66 to 68 and she's doing a great job with a lot of stuff. Has nothing to do with the library by the way, so keep working extra	01:30:41
	stuff.	01:30:46
	That's great. James Gomez, police officer, 62 and 63. Joseph Silva, police officer, completed Academy 62 to 63 as the lower senior	01:30:52
	cook. Desiree Smiths, Senior Center office assistant and the Christopher Gonzalez, lead driver. Timothy Gonzalez, driver. And	01:31:00
	that's all from the Senior Center and Kathy Spring Library. She is retiring. She's done a great job and hopefully we can give her	01:31:08
	something to remember us by.	01:31:16
	Maybe at the next meeting or whenever.	01:31:24
	Put it put together, great.	01:31:27
	Make a motion. We approve the personal list.	01:31:31
	All in favor, aye. We've got Grego Propane and Service on Spring Street and Coronado Electrical, Vincent Gutierrez, commercial and	01:31:36
	residential.	01:31:42
	Mr. Mayor, again make a motion. We approve the business registration 2nd.	01:31:50
	Moving to second all in favor, aye? What do you think about summer hours?	01:31:55
	You want to do a lunch meeting and an evening meeting for June, July and August. I don't know what you want to do.	01:32:02
	We are asking.	01:32:09
	We're asking the council to cancel the actual June 4th meeting because the only thing on the agenda so far is the third one. Just	01:32:11
	do one meeting on the 18th. Can we do that till September?	01:32:16
	Huh. Yeah, yeah, just just for the summer. And Ruby brought up today that she would like the meeting in July on the 23rd. So,	01:32:24
	well, whenever you want it, but try to make it once a month. How about that?	01:32:29
	In the evening.	01:32:36
	No more controversies.	01:32:38
	I saw the Coop guys just took off after Edward. I hope they didn't kill him on the way out.	01:32:41