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Mayor Bhaskar, Councillor Chavis Lopez, Councillor Dean Councillor Fleming, Councillor Ocampo, Councillor Oguin, Councillor 00:00:00
Partridge, Councillor Romero. 00:00:08
Councillor Salome, we do have a quorum. 00:00:16
The United States. 00:00:24
Make a motion when you approve the consent agenda. 00:00:39
Second move and seconded discussion. All in favor aye. Opposed. OK public forum. 00:00:44
Nobody. 00:00:52
How about the? 00:00:55
For your real home occupation permit. 00:00:57
Is that you're selling chickens out there? 00:01:02
For 28 years. 00:01:06
Turkeys, chickens, and now, well, it's hard to get young people to work this hard, so I gave it up two years ago. 00:01:08
I came here 30 years ago with the with the raised the family. 00:01:19
Rented a farm that took me 10 years to be able to buy. 00:01:25
And the 6th generation farmer. 00:01:30
And it was the first certificate certified organic poultry in the United States was right here selling to Albertsons, Whole Foods, 00:01:32
Wild Oats, all the best restaurants. 00:01:37
So in the process, so I think maybe 10 years ago or something, I had a medical license that I applied for and you're, you're, 00:01:44
you're OK to raise some cannabis on that. And, and so, so I've been playing around with cannabis for a while. And anyway, so I 00:01:50
went and got a license last year. 00:01:57
And then this year renewed again this year. And but my farm, my processing building for the poultry that I processed 400,000 birds 00:02:04
and I'm doing that into a processing building for cannabis. And I got plenty of room. I have 25 acres in the land with lots of in 00:02:12
in the city with lots of water. So I, I I've been applying to get. 00:02:20
A a dispensary permit on my land and I was. 00:02:30
I didn't make it to the first meeting and then I came to the second meeting, but I wasn't on the agenda. So I came to the third 00:02:34
meeting to the P&Z and discussion was, was, was lively and but it really came down to, you know, they really kind of agreed on 00:02:43
that needs to be commercial property to put a dispensary in. Now I go back, you know. 00:02:51
Cannabis is a USDA designated crop. 00:03:01
In New Mexico. 00:03:05
All of it is considered hemp under the USDA rules until it's budded. Now these small licenses that are really, really made for 00:03:07
small producers and communities is what they thought it was really a rare license. No other state has it there. There are micro 00:03:14
licenses and they allow you to do anything whether you grow, you're allowed to process as long as you do their requirements and 00:03:21
and dispense also. 00:03:28
But a lot of that can be really expensive for small people doing that a lot of those things. And they so, so I, I just wanted to, 00:03:36
you know, I, I kind of agree that it's got to be commercial, but I really think there's a lot of lot of things that that the city 00:03:44
really hasn't considered in the process of, of legalization of pot and along with the dispensaries and. 00:03:53
You know, all the dispensaries are here. They're not. They're not micro licensed. 00:04:02
They're all the bigger, bigger ends of people. So the micro license allows the money to stay in the city and produce employees and 00:04:07
you're spending your money in the city. It's no different than I was doing with the poultry business. I was going to Santa Fe Taos 00:04:14
bringing money back to the city, but here. So I think Michael is really have to really be considered as a priority for I I've 00:04:21
heard some talk on maybe. 00:04:29
Limiting the dispensaries in town, things like that. 00:04:37
But I think the priority should be on local and the micro licenses first before you put absolute limit on things like that. 00:04:40
But. 00:04:50
So I, so I, and then also there was another issue too, at one of the PNC meetings where I realized that, you know, a neighbor came 00:04:52
in, Bill, he wanted to get a license to sell his hay. Well, that's OK. You know, I mean, it's in the documents. So you can, if 00:04:59
you're producing farm products, you're allowed to sell them on your farm, off your farm. 00:05:06
Anywhere you want. 00:05:14
And one of the peers, you guys kind of had some issue with that. I told him I wanted to do corn Mohawk and corn pumpkins, stuff 00:05:17
like that. And he kinda really implied that I couldn't. And then, but I think it was talked over and I think in the end he did 00:05:24
agree. That's true. You can't if you're producing stuff. It was just that license on the on the, on the dispensary. But it was 00:05:32
kind of the final issue. But these, but this other fellow came in with two younger fellows and I don't want to despair or. 00:05:39
Anybody's ability to do what they want to do to make money, but this one fellow owns property and he rents it out to two other 00:05:47
guys to do their micro licenses on. So they each needed a separate business license to do that. 00:05:55
But I can just say that, you know, I told Bill that night too, look, I guess then I can just rent my acreage out, two acres at an 00:06:05
acre for people to come in and grow a pot. I don't, I don't care to see that. I told them and and I don't think he wanted to 00:06:11
either. But I think it should be really looked at hard if somebody is going to rent their ground for people raising pot to give 00:06:17
them a license. 00:06:23
I mean, they had the coop, that Co-op model, but I mean what you're really asking for and I have to. 00:06:30
And all honesty, I have a house right next to his that I rent, but what you're asking for is a dispensary. 00:06:37
To sell the marijuana that you raised on your property, correct? And that issue. And Christy, remind me what the PNZ said. 00:06:47
I'm just going to get the PNG point of view. 00:07:03
And, and I, and I must say I'm very sympathetic to you ever since you've helped me change a flat tire 20 years ago. 00:07:07
Headed to Santa Fe with his refrigerator and we broke down. Toby was with Toby had a meal one it was between Berlin and Las Lunas. 00:07:16
Couldn't get my tire off and he stopped to help me. So I'm sympathetic to you as a neighbor and somebody who helped me change a 00:07:26
tire. 00:07:30
Anyway, Christy. 00:07:35
Application I came through for being campus. 00:07:37
The PMP did approve the farming and the farming isn't what's into question. And then so when he came into my office after the 00:07:44
first meeting and said well what about like selling it and having a dispensary? Told him the first application didn't say anything 00:07:50
like that. 00:07:56
So he was approved. So I put him on the next agenda for the meeting. That was after the next meeting and he came in and that was 00:08:05
for. 00:08:10
Selling and the PNC was not comfortable with putting a dispensary in a rural residential area. 00:08:18
The one that he was talking about where they were doing working like as a Co-op cooperative with the with the one piece of land. 00:08:28
They sell only to manufacturers. There's no retail sale. 00:08:35
So that's the difference between why that one was approved, because it is the farming, which essentially he's approved for the 00:08:42
farming. It's just good retail sales in a rural residential area. 00:08:49
So what was the vote on for PNZ? 00:08:57
Get to council. 00:09:01
Then you make an ink. Any recommendation? 00:09:03
Seeing where they. 00:09:09
And it probably was better that it came to Council because they were. 00:09:11
They were very concerned with just the regulation that go into having. 00:09:17
The dispensary and then it being in a rural zone, I think they're just not really well versed in it. 00:09:22
Generically, if he was raising tomatoes and cantaloupes and corn and he had a stand out front that he was selling that. 00:09:29
How would we treat that? 00:09:39
As compared to. 00:09:42
Art, I mean that to me, that's the question. And and I don't know if you would stop somebody from selling their produce in front 00:09:45
of their farm. 00:09:51
Would be I mean if they set up a farm store in front of their farm. 00:09:58
It's the same thing. I mean, I don't like the idea frankly, as a neighbor, but I'm just being fair. And I agree that the 00:10:04
commercial aspect is is certainly an aspect of it. 00:10:11
Same location in a rural residential which is a low density. 00:10:22
Would you allow a Dollar General? 00:10:28
So take the cannabis out of it. Would you allow Dollar General to be in a rural residential Dollar General but a farm store that 00:10:30
sells their own produce? That's my question. 00:10:36
Not a Dollar General. I mean I that would be obvious that you have a, you have traffic and you have trucks coming. But my question 00:10:43
is if somebody had this small farm and they were selling their produce like a produce stand that I see. 00:10:51
Everywhere I go when I drive on down the highway. 00:11:00
Eggs, this just happens to be a different product. Are we saying that we would not if, if, if a, if a if he was raising his 00:11:05
chickens even there and he was selling the chicken, I mean, would we would be, you know, I mean, there's a stigma to pot already. 00:11:12
Let's just agree to that. But the question is generically Mr. Portage. I guess my question is, is when I read through the 00:11:18
application. 00:11:25
It shows I I believe this is a list of neighbors on the very back room. 00:11:33
People surrounding areas. I think where I see that I've drawn a line of the difference is that. 00:11:37
Maybe. 00:11:45
The people that you would draw to the area as far as. 00:11:47
There's no, there's no, I put this, nobody's going to want to steal watermelons and corn and or cause any problems in that area to 00:11:51
still produce or, or or to cause vagrants in that area for the the the people in the area. Unfortunately, even though cannabis is 00:11:59
legal, I do think that that does draw people to the area that. 00:12:07
May not want that in there right now. I don't know if each one of these people have been. 00:12:16
Asking are OK with that and maybe I would feel differently, but if I was a neighbor, I would feel like unfortunately that that may 00:12:22
bring some unrest to my neighborhood just simply because people are people and they do things they shouldn't do. And I understand 00:12:29
you. Yeah, maybe you want to look at it, you know, the little committee work or something too, because another aspect of this is 00:12:37
the taxation that the city can get from this. 00:12:44
Distribute that tax but the other thing I would do is to have force you to buy a rent a place in town to sell your goods and I 00:13:22
what Mr. Partridge is saying, I mean that's the. 00:13:28
Elephant in the room. I mean that's basically what we're talking about. And, and I think that's something that's why the PNC 00:13:36
Senate, the council and I think there needs to be a discussion on that because we do have we do have another farm out here that 00:13:41
I'm not sure if they were here the other day, I don't think they're going to dispensary, but we would then end up having 00:13:47
dispensaries in residential areas and that's. 00:13:53
That's a philosophical question that is over and above what you're, what we're trying to decide here. So that, that's something 00:13:59
that I, I guess I have a couple of comments. I can understand as a property owner how you're trying to make the most of what you 00:14:06
have without having to go and rent from somebody else. I, I get that. 00:14:13
It is a dispensary that you're asking for. I mean, you have to have the security system. I mean it's a requirement. 00:14:22
Which is one of regulations, you have to have all the security. And then the other thing is. 00:14:30
I just don't see a lot of traffic. I mean, I don't even see the traffic at the dispensaries we have in town. So those are my 00:14:37
comments. 00:14:40
No, I don't hardly see any cars that are just all packed in. The other thing we could do is talk about hours, what hours you would 00:14:45
have. I mean, that's something I mean, I think, I think, but I mean we're making it. But there's a bigger question here. We have a 00:14:52
lot of farmland around here and if it next 10 years, there's a lot of cannabis being grown just like there's hay being grown. 00:14:58
Would we start having people having home dispensaries? Is this a home permit or is it what kind of permit is this? 00:15:05
Home occupation. 00:15:13
If he had. 00:15:17
So it would be fine. These are already approved to grow and farm and do all the communicate. That's fine. That's been. 00:15:20
But it's the dispensary the spelling from. 00:15:30
That land in a rural zone and a rural residential, sorry, residential. I mean, we can we can pick the can down the road a little 00:15:35
bit and ask for administration to look into it a little bit more. But I already we can take a vote now to be approve it or not 00:15:44
approve it. Mr. Travis Lopez, I make a motion to table it until administration has more time to look into it. I would second that. 00:15:52
Special discussion and would this open the door too, like you said, even just for other products, not just marijuana if they 00:16:03
wanted to have their own storefront in their. 00:16:07
Would they have to get a home occupation permit? 00:16:12
Yes, right. I mean. 00:16:16
So you wouldn't have to get the whole market. 00:16:24
That's one of the things that they ask is. 00:16:26
It's traffic, it's gonna adversely affect the neighbors. There's a definition in the code book about is that home on patient 00:16:29
permit how it can probably. 00:16:34
With no business license selling their individual crops, would they have to get a business license? Yes, he did get a business 00:16:41
license. No, I'm saying in general though. 00:16:47
Just a favorite. 00:16:53
I mean generically. 00:16:57
This is a retail store. 00:17:04
It's a generic arm selling watermelons and corn and everything had their own. 00:17:08
I don't know if we'd have that same discussion. That's a question. But there's no tax on food, you know, there's, you know, 00:17:14
question is, is going to be certainly if there's more revenue for the city. We like that. But the question is, is whether. 00:17:22
We're doing something more than just revenue. We're doing, we're making a precedent where you can have retail in an area that's 00:17:31
residential and that would also mean that if somebody was, let's say somebody had a little. 00:17:38
At home and making T-shirts and they were selling T-shirts out of them and they had a sign saying T-shirts for sale. Would we 00:17:47
allow that? I mean, I think that's a deeper question than just your business, which I think everybody's sympathetic to, but it's a 00:17:53
question of whether we want to, we want to have a president where we do a retail and residential. That's basically what it is. 00:18:00
And if you give us another two weeks, we can look into it and see what's being done in the other communities where they might be 00:18:06
doing. And if I can expound on another part of this, you know, I, I, I'm right in the city limits, right by the river and I really 00:18:12
intend to do an eco agriculture. 00:18:18
And sell it right there off of the farm. And I'll probably fire up that sunflower maze again next year too, you know, So that's 00:18:25
eco farming type of a thing that's going on. 00:18:31
And I suspect with my business license that's OK to do that, right? And so you know, but that's a one shot thing though is a 00:18:38
seasonal thing and it's not a yearly thing. 00:18:43
I think I've got to, if we can maybe. And you know, and I've known you ever since I've had my last 40 years and you've always been 00:18:52
a very good neighbor and, and a good farmer and and actually, I mean eco friendly. But the big question is going to be whether, if 00:18:57
there's another city who's doing this? 00:19:02
They do have farms in in other cities that have retail dispensary right in front of their farm. We can look into that as their 00:19:08
administrative leave. Where are you on your schedule? 00:19:13
It's going to be next year before I ever do a retail. 00:19:21
So all in favor that the administration look into further all in favor. 00:19:29
Let's let's look into that. Thank you for the discussion. 00:19:35
Thank you. I think it's really important to go ahead and really figure out what the series. Thank you for bringing it up. Thank 00:19:39
you. 00:19:43
Okay, new business. 00:19:49
And. 00:19:54
Mr. Mayor, thing new with you directors out there. 00:19:57
Lot of rodeos, a lot of garbage, lot of HR. 00:20:01
October 34th. October 1st. 00:20:08
I'm ready. So come up here and explain that to us. What does that mean? 00:20:15
I know what. 00:20:21
Yeah, put your other hat on. Open enrollment for the employees for health insurance is October 1st through October 31st for 00:20:24
January 1st coverage. So if you want to make any changes or add your spouse or take off your kids or anything without a qualifying 00:20:31
event, now is the time to do it. Give the this to the directors and let them give it to the employee. 00:20:39
I put a memo in their box yesterday to post and then I'll continue to send some robo calls to staff only and I'll send another 00:20:46
memo about the 15th of the month. 00:20:51
OK, thank you. Thanks for the work you do. And this is all Presbyterian and that's what we are aware. Then we got hit by 10% but 00:20:58
it but it's hasn't changed again, has it the increase? No, I'm hope I'm I'm hoping we don't get anything now for January 1 because 00:21:07
that's that was the one before it was January 1. OK, so and I met in Delta Dental. 00:21:16
Press I Med in Delta Dental. 00:21:25
You know, also hearing. 00:21:28
Hearing aids. 00:21:30
They're no fun to wear. What? 00:21:34
Anyway, Steve, anything? 00:21:41
Ruby. 00:21:44
What are you going to get? You going to get dinged? No, Okay. Do I get a credit card or can you ask them that? No, I can't do. 00:21:47
And the big news is, and she gonna come at the next meeting, we have Cheyenne out there, but Dez Armijo gave us her resignation, 00:21:59
I'm sorry to say, and we all cried about it. So she has another month that she's gonna be and we'll probably look towards Cheyenne 00:22:08
and maybe getting her some help. But just to let everybody know. 00:22:16
Dez is gonna work for technically and. 00:22:25
So, which is a big loss, but they actually had left a good legacy and Cheyenne has been part of it also. So we'll try to get that 00:22:28
also. 00:22:33
And what else? 00:22:40
Mr. Mayor for New Business, I, I didn't bring it up last week, but I got, I'm pretty sure all the councillors got this anonymous 00:22:42
letter about contract services or something and I didn't bring it up. I failed to. It was addressed. I received it and it was 00:22:49
anonymous. What did you say? It said that there was, I guess contract work being given out to family members at the city level and 00:22:56
I just, I don't know, is anonymous, I don't know how. 00:23:02
Many actors. 00:23:10
I don't know. I didn't. I was vague. I don't know. Oh, I can share the letter, but I think most of the counselors got it. I don't 00:23:12
know what it meant, but I was just curious if anybody. 00:23:17
Oh, is it? But what? Like give me a? 00:23:23
We'll go again. I don't know. I don't know if the garbage pickup, no. 00:23:27
Not a tourism. 00:23:32
No, I don't. I don't know exactly. And I didn't bring the darn letter with that door though. 00:23:35
It had something to do with contract work. I'm not getting enough contractor work, but the bids are not they're sealed and that 00:23:40
they're getting sealed then and I'm not sure of the term. 00:23:45
Here there's a there's a guy right there small. They're small jobs that it's my understanding they're small jobs. So we don't even 00:23:52
go out to bid for them. Oh, OK. See sealed bids over 60,000 then. Yeah, but like phone calls we have to get three quotes over. But 00:23:58
I'm trying to think of what jobs that we're. 00:24:04
We'd be doing that with small bids. 00:24:11
They're not supposed to be more specific. I agree signature would be helpful. I don't mind anonymous. I mean I'm getting somebody 00:24:17
complained about our guys working in a ditch and OSHA might be interested in that and it wasn't anonymous and I appreciate that it 00:24:23
helped us out there. His eyes out there that are telling us there's something going on. I have somebody told me there's somebody's 00:24:29
got liquor in their in their city truck. I went, I mean. 00:24:36
But be more specific so we can do something about it, not just like. 00:24:43
Shotgun blasted. We got to shake every tree in the bull, you know, so give us an. 00:24:47
So when they reply to Anonymous, tell them be more specific. What's up? Yeah, I'll bring the next Councilman for sure. No problem. 00:24:55
I failed to, but I'm just ringing a bell to me. So I wanted to bring it up because I failed to last time. So but, but, but, I 00:25:01
mean, you brought it up, but I, I don't, we can't do anything if it's not specific. That's one of the major things the auditors 00:25:07
look at when they come, so. 00:25:13
Sure, sure. And then and you know, the other bottom line is you can't get nobody to do any work. 00:25:20
That's the other thing, trying to get a contractor to do anything. But, you know, I occasionally get Sammy Vivian to do some 00:25:26
cleanup and down the streets and we get, but we haven't done that for a long time now, Ruby. And a lot of times if we go out for 00:25:32
quotes, we'll call, they'll call around and, and sometimes we may only get one or two, but we, we, we document it. So it's, it's 00:25:39
there. 00:25:46
When the auditors come, they look at that stuff. So so the other day we had problems with the roof and we had a contractor give us 00:25:54
an X amount and then we had another one from Albuquerque and. 00:25:58
We took that one from Albuquerque, so. 00:26:03
We're always looking to save a buck, that's for sure. Any other new business. So there's we'll bring it up next time and then 00:26:07
we'll try to see what we're going to do with helping Cheyenne, probably make her acting director for now and and we'll go on with 00:26:12
it. 00:26:18
What? Get her help? I can save a whole salary by letting her just work by herself. 00:26:27
So, but anyway, OK, yeah, we're going to get some help at all business. Anything old that we got brought up. 00:26:34
And the executive session. We have been sued by anybody lately. We're going to be working on the coop contract here pretty soon. 00:26:42
I've got the lawyers working on it to make a presentation at the coop board meeting, but that's coming up. Maybe it take about a 00:26:48
month to get everything specifically done. 00:26:54
I don't think have any legal matters that I know of coming up, personal matters. 00:27:02
We're losing, we're losing police officers to the Sheriff's Department and. 00:27:08
That's another whole subject. OK, personal. We're going to get to the debate yet. 00:27:15
Let's see, what are we doing? 00:27:22
You're Fleming. You're not helping me any. Oh. 00:27:25
But here I got it. Personnel changes in the Carolina Goran fire, recruit Dustin Moreland, fire, Justin Pacheco, fire, Jacob 00:27:29
Gonzalez. We got dispatch resignation, Joseph Silva police resignation, Dominic Montano police resignation. So we sent John. 00:27:36
Chief, where to go? 00:27:42
Sitting out there, that's right. I wonder if Joseph Silva we we sent Dominic to the Academy. Did Joseph Silva, did you send Joseph 00:27:50
Silver the Academy to? 00:27:55
I just graduated and then it took off. 00:28:02
That's pretty useless. That doesn't show any kind of moral compass. So they used our money for how many months? 00:28:05
A year to go to the Academy. 00:28:16
And so when they're in the Academy, which is four months, five months, four months, we pay them right. And so then right after 00:28:21
they they graduate, they go somewhere else. Well, that's just. 00:28:28
And we have no legal thing that we can hold them on. Did you ever talk to the lawyer about that? 00:28:36
When I was writing a bad reference. 00:28:44
Anyway, Mr. That's what I was going to ask. What about if there was any legal thing that we could do? 00:28:49
But no, I mean, that's not, you know, it's not fair to us. I mean, I think the money and I don't know if they built that into 00:28:58
their salary or whether it's a bonus. 00:29:04
Frequent time to get that only $7.00 a year. 00:29:18
So they so they're, they're put another 12 hours. 00:29:23
For $407.00 plus the how many hours do you work usually? 00:29:29
Plus another 12. 00:29:36
Who get that extra money, which is about $900 a month extra? 00:29:39
Well good luck with that and I will see. So not overtime though. 00:29:46
But is that is that at least I mean, isn't that overtime? Is that called overtime? 00:29:56
But it's a regular time. 00:30:02
Legally, that's overtime. 00:30:06
Unless you're administrator like you, but. 00:30:10
But so it's it's not overtime if they work longer than a regular. 00:30:14
Alrighty then. 00:30:29
But anyway, that's disappointing to me. Anyhow, that's it. That's the personnel. 00:30:32
Anybody want to move in second pushing to approve personal changes? 00:30:39
Seconded discussion. All in favor, Aye. OK, We've got another farm coming up here, 1111 farm out of city limits. Somebody named 00:30:47
Brian Dean. That's your brand, Dean. Another cannabis farm. 00:30:55
Does he know you're a counselor? 00:31:05
OK, working on something for three years, I guess you got to go for it. 00:31:09
Is that out of the city language? Save the Day Electrical, Jason Gabriel Saavedra and J Outfitters John Armijo hunting. All right. 00:31:14
That's it. 00:31:30
Make motion to approve the business registrations. Seconded discussion all in favor. Just one thing. Sorry Mr. just for Mr. Dean, 00:31:31
that's just more like a similar situation down on. 00:31:37
The other cannabis, where did they just grow up? But they don't sell it there. Is that only he's not dispensing at this property. 00:31:45
OK. Yeah, but it's in the county. He's in the county. OK. Just curious. That's why I asked for Paisano. Was is that a Lemeter? 00:31:52
Which runs down the road, right? 00:32:03
Oh, alpha shadow. OK over the kitchen. All righty. Well, now we know about everybody. All in favor, aye. And that's it. We made it 00:32:08
by 6:30. Thank you for coming. 00:32:15
October 15th. Whoops. 00:32:24