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	Mayor Basker, Councillor Travis.	00:00:00
	Councillor Dean, Councillor Fleming, Councillor Ocampo Councillor.	00:00:05
	Councillor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here Answer Salome here, we have a quorum.	00:00:13
	All right for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:19
	Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and	00:00:25
	justice for all.	00:00:31
	I did. I did the roll call for you.	00:00:43
	Mr.	00:00:46
	No, no, no time will we approve the consent agenda.	00:00:48
	It's not good under discussion. I just want to let you know.	00:00:52
	This Rodeo Complex and the Rodeo complex Grant Ruby you want to Is that the $900,000 grant?	00:00:57
	So just to let you know that we did get 900.	00:01:05
	23,123 thousand 923,000 for the rodeo complex.	00:01:09
	Successful quality of life. Yes, the quality of life. Grant, it's a bar #20.	00:01:15
	And we just.	00:01:20
	Let a $600,000 contract to do the site covers.	00:01:22
	So that's already rolling and whatever money we have left.	00:01:28
	We look for the gas heaters.	00:01:32
	And possibly.	00:01:34
	The sound system.	00:01:36
	Although we did ask for the sound system from the legisl.	00:01:41
	Thank you. I didn't know the exact number.	00:01:45
	But, but, but we did get that money. Any other discussion on this?	00:01:47
	Mr. Yes, What?	00:01:52
	They basically what's happening to the old sound?	00:01:56
	You know, you know, we went to milling stadium.	00:02:01
	When we started this whole thing, must have been seven years ago or 8-9 years ago we went to Mooney Stadium.	00:02:06
	And the God showed us a sound system at.	00:02:13
	And we said oh.	00:02:16
	Turns out inside the Rodeo arena.	00:02:18
	It's not so great and you know from wrestling and and from rodeo, it's terrible.	00:02:21
	And we spent a pretty good money with it. It's up in the crows.	00:02:26
	But it's it's just terrible. I just know that then they hardwired every wire so.	00:02:30
	If I could change anything out if something goes down.	00:02:38
	Mr. Parker, are they retractable here? The sites, are they? No, we couldn't get the retractable ones. It'll be just these are	00:02:43
	going to be like pro panel and solid, OK? Especially where that blue is.	00:02:48
	Right. And then it'll come down to the building on.	00:02:54
	Building side and on the rodeo side on the chutes will come down 2/3 of the way.	00:02:57
	And then on the.	00:03:03
	He'll come down all the way.	00:03:05
	And then we also, like I said, we're also going to talk about the gas heaters.	00:03:07
	So we'll have, I think we'll have pretty good money to do that and the whole idea is to have events in the winter.	00:03:12
	And also in the in the windy season in March and April, when the when the Windsors is terrible and the retractable we couldn't get	00:03:19
	because they were more expensive or they were more expensive and they were.	00:03:25
	They're just too flimsy.	00:03:32
	You know, it's just, you know, they're rolling down, they've just and there was a chance, you know that.	00:03:34
	The mechanisms would.	00:03:40
	Be a.	00:03:42
	But this will be a big it will be a big change, big change. And Mr. Mayor, the state has kind of tied our hands. We didn't get	00:03:44
	notice of this till the end of December or the end of November, and we have to have the money spent by June 30th. And I asked for	00:03:51
	clarification from the state if it only has to be encumbered or if the money has to be spent. And I have not heard back.	00:03:57
	At least we'll spend what we can as quick as.	00:04:06
	OK. That was just a feeling. All in favor?	00:04:10
	We're down to the public forum. Anybody that is not on the agenda would like to make a comment from public forum. Yes Sir.	00:04:14
	Tell us who you are and what's your.	00:04:21
	Yes, Sir.	00:04:26
	Oh, it's been my.	00:04:30
	Thank you for letting me speak here tonight.	00:04:39
	I've just recently returned as a choral.	00:04:44
	You know, last July or August.	00:04:48
	And could you tell us your name, please? Oh, my name is John Walker. I live on 505 Fish here in.	00:04:51
	OK.	00:04:59
	Sorry.	00:05:02
	I've noticed I like to ride my bike all around town.	00:05:04
	And one of the things I've noticed since returning here is that big empty Smiths building and.	00:05:08
	All the time I've been here, I think. How can we make something into this? And item number one was?	00:05:18
	Build an emergency shelter for overflow of citizens, not just from Socorro, but there's a big fire disaster in one of our	00:05:25
	neighboring states or even down in Chihuahua, Mexico, you know?	00:05:32
	There, there could be some eliminated capacity made.	00:05:40
	To.	00:05:45
	Another plan I had was an EMS First Responder Supplement, supplemental training and.	00:05:47
	Equipment storage.	00:05:55
	So that items such As for this first one could be.	00:05:57
	Stashed away.	00:06:06
	In stock thing is owned by another company and.	00:06:09
	Have you? It's owned by a marijuana company.	00:06:14
	OK. Do you know the ownership but?	00:06:18
	The people who maintain it, yeah, So we have contacted them about keeping it up and they had windows broken, glass broken, and	00:06:25
	they put plywood up, but they won't tell us what their future is with that. So it's it's, it is owned by someone.	00:06:34
	Alright, I leave here, please.	00:06:43
	I had a few other points. Of course. I'm sorry. Yeah, of course. I just wanted to. I just wanted to attend to each one as you will	00:06:45
	in the defense are chief. In the last issue we they were talking about juvenile criminal issues.	00:06:52
	And uh.	00:07:00
	A facility such as this.	00:07:02
	And be retrofitted.	00:07:04
	Set up.	00:07:08
	Shelter for more vulnerable residents that are subject to.	00:07:10
	Bullying or *** harassment or?	00:07:16
	They could easily fall back and you know the rate of.	00:07:19
	Recidivism, you know, juvenile facilities. Excellent idea.	00:07:25
	Workstations for education, a basketball and volleyball court. You know, physical activity, you know even a little. A boxing and	00:07:35
	and yoga training center, where where where people would be.	00:07:42
	Taught in.	00:07:50
	These.	00:07:54
	You know, under supervision.	00:07:54
	And so on and so forth. You know, computers, books.	00:07:57
	Another lastly, adult criminal criminal issues.	00:08:01
	Or perhaps some adults that are on the way out of the criminal justice system.	00:08:07
	Or even low risk.	00:08:14
	Your minimum security.	00:08:19
	Could be transitioned through there to help them get back into society.	00:08:23
	111 thing that it kind of affects me a little bit is that.	00:08:29
	When I lived in Elko County, Nevada, for example.	00:08:37
	Near at the Wells Minimum Security Facility in Elko County.	00:08:43
	They had a Nevada Division of Forestry as well as the US Forest Service had a training program to train a wildland firefighters.	00:08:50
	And some of them were able.	00:09:02
	Later, after they finished their thing here.	00:09:06
	Well, even And then I recall more personally when when my wife or my ex-wife now and and I, we lived in Douglas, Texas, we had a	00:09:10
	small livestock operation.	00:09:15
	But during the years of 2011, 2012, we had a really disastrous drought with record-breaking temperatures, something like over over	00:09:21
	80 days straight. You know, we're.	00:09:29
	And then there was, of course, lightning caused F.	00:09:37
	And we had we had a big 10,000 acre.	00:09:41
	Fire in the Angelina base.	00:09:46
	That came within about a mile of our place and and the Texas Department of Public Safety was able to.	00:09:48
	Issue us a red flag notice to get out of there and we evacuated.	00:09:57
	In a controlled fashion with our trailer and we're able to move all our livestock.	00:10:02
	Onto the Nacogdoches County Fairgrounds and and the people that helped set that up, or inmates from the left in jail in Angelina	00:10:09
	County, so.	00:10:16
	This is where inmates.	00:10:24
	Be used for community service?	00:10:26
	A lot of great ideas.	00:10:30
	Can we send a letter to the people who own the building and ask them what they're planning to do with the building and maybe make	00:10:33
	some of these suggestions that they might be able to incorporate? But I but I have to tell you that the copper, the electrical,	00:10:38
	everything's been stripped out of there by vandals.	00:10:43
	But, but I like your ideas. I just. I'm not sure that I can do anything because we don't own the building, OK? Because one one	00:10:49
	final thing I had in mind was.	00:10:53
	For the last 20 years.	00:11:00
	I've been inventing stuff.	00:11:04
	And one of my inventions.	00:11:06
	Solar.	00:11:10
	Using concentrated solar power to desalinate electricity and also.	00:11:12
	To desalinate seawater and and generate electricity using the seawater as the working media.	00:11:21
	But anyway, the solar science that I use in my invention which is in the US patent.	00:11:29
	It's, it's been issued.	00:11:37
	US patent back in 2021.	00:11:39
	That's a that's a yeah, deserialization is a big issue in New Mexico. I know the brackish water and I think the governor, show us	00:11:42
	some of your, if you could give me a little background. Absolutely.	00:11:48
	Or and because finally what I googled the map but over Smith and I was able to figure out the area.	00:11:54
	And it came out to be just almost 1/2 an acre of rooftops space.	00:12:04
	But you're.	00:12:12
	Some quick quick calculations from my formulas I had for my other research.	00:12:15
	And and estimating for.	00:12:23
	Winter power generation.	00:12:25
	Well, you're you're, you're, you're. So your solar insulation comes out to about 500 watts per square meter.	00:12:28
	But I separated the array.	00:12:41
	So there's no mutual blocking, no mutual shading by the course, and I've got 10 arrays that's up there.	00:12:44
	Have a potential 300.	00:12:55
	Almost 302 kilowatts. OK, why don't you give us your contact and maybe we can meet sometime in the office? Oh absolutely. And then	00:12:57
	of course, in in the summertime.	00:13:03
	Well, you're because you're.	00:13:08
	Your insulation's higher with a higher.	00:13:12
	Right. And the longer days, I got 505 kilowatts, that's a lot of power.	00:13:14
	Sitting on an empty roof up there.	00:13:21
	And I've got 3 copies of this, you know, plus whatever I got at home.	00:13:28
	If anybody else wants the two other copies, I'd be glad.	00:13:36
	To take some home with them.	00:13:42
	I don't know.	00:13:45
	Gentlemen, you can have a seat.	00:13:52
	You kind of look a little honoree over there.	00:13:54
	Under is the word I.	00:13:58
	Andre, I did.	00:14:00
	Anyone else that's not on the agenda would like to make the comment.	00:14:06
	That is on the agenda, Sir, and I'll let you talk one day when we get to that agenda point. I'm over here.	00:14:23
	Oh, I'm sorry, but why don't we let you talk when the that is on the agenda?	00:14:31
	That's the next thing on the agenda, actually. OK. So we'll bring you up when you have something to say about that, because I want	00:14:37
	to let the court, they're here, let them speak first and then we'll have anyone else who wants to make a comment. Thank you for	00:14:42
	coming.	00:14:46
	Anyone else?	00:14:53
	Very good.	00:14:57
	We shall then go on super electric coop. It has to be on the agenda as franchise agreement discussion. Gentlemen, I'm not sure	00:14:59
	who's going to make the presentation, but I'd be happy to have you.	00:15:03
	****. Good evening, Reverend Bhasker.	00:15:09
	Mayor City.	00:15:14
	My name is Leroy.	00:15:16
	I'm the chairman of SCORE Electric Cooperative Cooperative Cooperative.	00:15:18
	Here with Joseph Herrera and is the CEO Manager.	00:15:21
	And Director of Communications and Public Affairs Chair Williams.	00:15:26
	We need to follow up.	00:15:31
	The proposal for a franchise agreement that we brought to.	00:15:34
	A serious so.	00:15:39
	In July 5th, 2023.	00:15:42
	Counselor.	00:15:47
	Said that she had no problem extending the franchise agreement because.	00:15:49
	The residential.	00:15:54
	Was it would not be ready by May 2024.	00:15:56
	Councillor Romero said he'd be OK with extending the franchise agreement you have to see these days.	00:16:01
	Of course.	00:16:08
	Councillor Chavez Lopez AG.	00:16:11
	And ask that we keep communication with the city.	00:16:13
	And the court.	00:16:17
	Could keep everything going.	00:16:19
	An agreed upon franchise agreement would protect all.	00:16:22
	And keep them.	00:16:26
	This recommend Joseph.	00:16:29
	Council members, thank you for pronouncing the agenda.	00:16:34
	And you know, COPE the Corps to get Corporate Citizen of the city's decorum service area.	00:16:38
	Where an employer we have concern for the.	00:16:45
	You know, terminating the Collapse franchise agreement will hurt the members inside the city and outside the city.	00:16:49
	We're here to ask, you know, to follow up on that July 5th meeting of reasonably extending the franchise agreement.	00:16:56
	That does not involve requiring the City of Socorro to give up or sell its facilities to the city.	00:17:04
	And it will. This is an attempt to avoid an expensive endeavor and to keep everyone whole so we can do good for the community and	00:17:12
	not create unnecessary expenses.	00:17:19
	If the city does not agree to the franchise will.	00:17:26
	Attempt to penalize the coop, which then penalizes its members.	00:17:30
	And what are the goals of terminating the franchise agreement if the city is not prepared in the near future to serve?	00:17:35
	The commercial, especially the residential members.	00:17:44
	The damage of terminating and finding the core? That's just going to hurt.	00:17:48
	All members electric customers of the Co.	00:17:54
	And we just want to work with the city, continued dialogue and follow up on the communication that we had in July.	00:17:58
	Yeah, it won't hurt the.	00:18:06
	Because the city has plans and we.	00:18:08
	As Council Member Romero.	00:18:11
	Don't mind extending the franchise as long as.	00:18:15
	Continue with your endeavor to create a city utility for for the S Corridor.	00:18:18
	And we just want to follow up on that because that is what.	00:18:25
	Here today.	00:18:30
	Mr. Earl.	00:18:33
	I've never made any.	00:18:34
	Statement for that back to anybody.	00:18:36
	I don't know, but anyway, I don't agree with what they're saying. So there's a scoring by the July 5th meeting.	00:18:43
	What's the Mr. header you made a comment about the.	00:18:49
	Subsequent.	00:18:56
	Once the franchise is terminated, as the judge had ordered.	00:18:57
	And in May 24th, because you guys brought it up that you wanted it adjudicated as.	00:19:03
	When the franchise agreement was going to be terminated, what is your comment about what happened subsequent to that as far as the	00:19:09
	coop is?	00:19:13
	Well, the reason we went there was because we received notice of trespass from the city of Socorro. So that's why that's not my	00:19:19
	question. My question is what are you making a comment? Are you saying that the club is going to then quit providing electricity	00:19:24
	after the termination of the contract?	00:19:29
	No, no. What I'm saying is the answer is you'll continue providing electricity to your footprint.	00:19:35
	After the finish.	00:19:42
	Franchise agree.	00:19:45
	In May of 2024, yes, we're going to continue to provide service, OK. So that that thread is not real that you're going to, there's	00:19:46
	something disastrous going to happen after the franchise agreement is finished.	00:19:52
	So then can you tell us what will happen? Right. I'm going to get to that, but I'm trying to just respond to what you just comment	00:19:58
	you made that it could be something that could happen to.	00:20:03
	Residents and to the area when the franchise agreement is terminated and I've got documents.	00:20:08
	Saying that the coop is the one who brought it up and I think the Council has those documents.	00:20:14
	I don't know we can put them up there, but the council has those documents at the Co-op initiated.	00:20:19
	The Court The Court Dec.	00:20:25
	Asking to firm up when that franchise agreement was going to be over, then the judge made an order stating that the franchise	00:20:29
	agreement and there it is right there it.	00:20:34
	In exchange for dismissal of the 1st and 2nd claims for relief with prejudice, the 1999 Franchise Agreement will remain in full	00:20:40
	force and effective through May 17th, 2024. SEC may continue and so forth. This was brought by you, not the city.	00:20:50
	The court.	00:21:00
	And that was in response to the city's letter of notice of trespass that we had been trespassed.	00:21:03
	On March 18th of 2018, we received notice from the city that we're going to be in trespassive and March of 2018 as of January 1st	00:21:08
	of 2020. That's why we have to go to the court. And so you brought that action. So that caused the reaction, but I just want to	00:21:14
	establish.	00:21:20
	That the court has already given.	00:21:27
	Ruling that this franchise agreement will terminate May 17, 2024.	00:21:31
	That agreement.	00:21:37
	Then either can be amended or terminated or it can go month to month depending on some of the information we'll get from our	00:21:39
	consultants as to how we're going to proceed and what it's going to cost.	00:21:45
	Well, Mr. Mayor, I just want, because I don't just to clarify, I think what you're saying, right, is that.	00:21:52
	Because the coop, and possibly the community doesn't know what the city has in mind, that in the event that the franchise	00:21:59
	agreement terminates, that people just want to know that there's that there is in fact a plan, not that everything is going to be	00:22:04
	shut off.	00:22:09
	And there isn't going to be a disaster is that is that is that clarifying that more what you're saying. Well what we're saying is	00:22:15
	that you know when the city tried to prematurely terminate the franchise agreement, there was unknowns. We're trying to get these	00:22:22
	unknowns out ahead of time. Before May of of 2024 for the the ruling that ruling was when.	00:22:29
	Wasn't this year that ruling has been?	00:22:37
	At least a year, 2022. Yeah, two years, right?	00:22:40
	So the comment that Mister Legan just made, I don't know if you're at the meeting last week, but we have already got an	00:22:45
	engineering preliminary engineering plan for a substation. We're getting a cost arrangement in that preliminary engineering plant.	00:22:51
	There's also an expansion for the rest of the city.	00:22:56
	And we're just waiting to see what the cost will be. And your public information officer is always making fun of me being America	00:23:03
	compared to a dog. Being a mayor better than myself doesn't add anything to this conversation.	00:23:10
	Mr. William, take a look at your Facebook page right there. You know and you know, but it's on record.	00:23:18
	Yeah, it's not record, Mr. Williams, but by.	00:23:26
	You know the bottom line.	00:23:29
	We're moving ahead. We're looking at.	00:23:32
	We're also going to ask you some questions. I've given the the council your income tax return from 2020.	00:23:35
	You've got $42 million or so of.	00:23:41
	I'm going to ask you from 1988 how much it was that spent in the city of.	00:23:44
	I'm going to ask you about your.	00:23:49
	About your credits that you've.	00:23:51
	The tri-state at about 10:50.	00:23:54
	And I'm going to see if you terminate with tri-state what's going to happen with.	00:23:58
	And I know on the 16th you're going to.	00:24:02
	Guzman and tri-state and your CEO and I'm hopefully I'm going to be invited on the 16th.	00:24:05
	So we're moving ahead with a lot of this. Mr. Hanetta, I don't know if this is annoying to you, but Mr. Height is been our	00:24:10
	consultant and he's confirmed that you will probably have a meeting and I've asked him if he would invite me. So we're moving	00:24:15
	ahead.	00:24:19
	With a lot of the stuff that you view and your public information officer threatening the city.	00:24:24
	And I think that we're and and kind of along the lines around confirm as well too is I I I just wanted to see I think I can	00:24:31
	remember if it was a.	00:24:35
	Where it was, but I would, and I remember I had requested that. I just want to see what a good.	00:24:40
	Solid franchise agreement would look like that our consult that our attorneys then miss winners that said that she has been that	00:24:46
	she's established and she has built for other communities.	00:24:52
	And I think that that's what I personally, I can't speak for the other counselors would like to see of what a good solid.	00:24:58
	Franchise agreement would look like not the one that they presented to us because I agree that that is not a good franchise	00:25:04
	agreement.	00:25:08
	But what a good, solid franchise. That's what. I don't know. That's that's what I would been. I had requested in the past. I will	00:25:11
	ask them to bring that.	00:25:15
	Personally, as a matter, I'm not interested in making this franchise agreement permanent.	00:25:20
	It may need to be extended, I agree with you, maybe a year, maybe five years, it may be need to be extended. It can't be for 25	00:25:25
	years and and it'll have to have certain things such as explaining to us.	00:25:31
	How much money actually has been spent in the city of Socorro for the million for debt service that you pay every year and make us	00:25:36
	pay? All that information needs to be gathered and we'll put that with what councillor is asking for. We'll put that to you and	00:25:42
	bring that to you and and I would like to see.	00:25:47
	What I would like to say personally is the coop.	00:25:53
	Getting away from tri-state who, who?	00:25:56
	I would never. The CEO is going to be here, too. Get away from them. Go to Guzman. Like half a dozen people in southern Colorado	00:25:59
	and Aztec, Bloomfield. Rat.	00:26:05
	All getting their stuff from Guzman. I'm very happy with it and would say everybody money and I would hope you get your capital	00:26:10
	credits back over 20 years so you can pay for some of that buy out. But those are the things we can talk about. The City Council	00:26:16
	meeting isn't the place to do it. Facebook, Mr. Williams is not the place to do it. And and you know, I think the important thing	00:26:22
	is to continue the conversation. I think I'm glad you're here.	00:26:28
	Well, Mr. Mayor, what we're here to talk about is Los Angeles. You would have a franchise and and here we are seven months later.	00:26:34
	The franchise agreement that was not accepting that was the starting point that was something my starting point was seven years	00:26:44
	ago when I gave seven things that I needed to have you do and you never. I think that we were making good progress on this right	00:26:49
	now. I think you guys are. I think it's good that he's agreed that. I mean I think that you guys.	00:26:54
	My personal opinion, again, I think you guys have said enough in a way that I think he's agreeable to what he said that if we can	00:27:00
	get us a franchise agreement, what would it look like? If there is a possible extension, there would be an extension. But I think	00:27:06
	that speaking, I mean what's what's done on Facebook in my opinion is on call for as well too.	00:27:13
	Mr.	00:27:20
	OK, we're trying to work in unison here. We're trying to make things happen. Me personally too. And.	00:27:21
	OK, well, it doesn't matter. That's doesn't. It doesn't matter. It does not matter.	00:27:29
	Regardless, we're trying to make good progress here. That's all I have to say, Mr. Parkers.	00:27:34
	Just to clarify the franchise agreement, you know when I met with you guys that's to provide access for.	00:27:40
	The support electric Co-op to go into city premises to repair poles fix poles that.	00:27:47
	That's a piece of it, right. And that's and the benefit of that is just so that we can keep things going without.	00:27:54
	The Co-op didn't go to the city. Nashville commissioner going.	00:28:02
	Their property all the time. Does that sound accurate?	00:28:05
	Real estate payment in lieu of taxes. What they're using is our real estate to put their poles on, to generate revenue, even	00:28:13
	though they're nonprofit.	00:28:17
	That franchise agreement is 2%. It's about $120,000 a year.	00:28:23
	More or less so. So they don't.	00:28:27
	They don't pay that just for access, but they pay that initially 1956.	00:28:31
	When the city gave them the franchise to provide elect.	00:28:38
	In the city of.	00:28:41
	Access to public property, but also to place their poles on there.	00:28:43
	Mr.	00:28:51
	Salami.	00:28:53
	Mr. Mayor, you know, as you said in 1956, the the municipal incorporated municipality has the statutory authority and the	00:28:55
	responsibility to provide utilities to their constituents. OK, so in 1956, City Council and the mayor decided to.	00:29:06
	Let the Co-op perform that duty for the city, right? So it's still the cities responsibility to provide utility services to our	00:29:17
	community to the incorporated municipality.	00:29:23
	You've done that?	00:29:30
	And as things have transpired over time, we don't think that as as a as a council and as a mayor and as an administration, we	00:29:32
	don't think that the Co-op has provided the service at the quality and at the price.	00:29:40
	That we.	00:29:49
	Is deserving of our community.	00:29:51
	OK.	00:29:54
	I'm not saying Mr. Adeta, it's not Mr. It is fault what Marianne came up with right before Covad. We wanted to make a have a	00:29:56
	system where we would discuss and have discussions with other.	00:30:02
	Agencies, for example, the Board of trustees, right? Mr. Edna answers to the Board of Trustees, The Superintendent asks. Answers	00:30:10
	to the school board.	00:30:15
	The county committee, the county manager answers to the county Commission. The the City of Sequoia Mayor answers to the community	00:30:20
	of Socorro.	00:30:25
	You know, like one of the superintendents that I workforce had real.	00:30:30
	With, with quality and with with gusto, he said. You know what it takes to be the Superintendent of schools, 3 votes.	00:30:36
	So we're not saying that Mister is the face of these problems, of the issues. You know what we look at the broader picture. You	00:30:43
	know, things have transpired and commercial rates have gone high. It hasn't. It has deterred businesses from coming into the coral	00:30:50
	to grow and to allow.	00:30:57
	Growth places for our our youth to work things of that nature and it's been stifled. You know why? Because they can go down to Los	00:31:06
	Lunas and pay 5% a kWh.	00:31:12
	Why would they come here that their businesses and places that provide manufacturing, you know our service industries they can	00:31:18
	provide that they can, they can pay the electricity bill because they can pass it on to the to the customer, very simple, but a	00:31:26
	manufacturing something that has strong potential to grow the community.	00:31:33
	They will come here. It's just too expensive. So we initially and 13 years ago, I believe, I wasn't on the council at the time,	00:31:41
	wanted to have a discussion how can we work with the coop to bring down those rates, encourage commercial and and industrial	00:31:48
	businesses to come to our industrial park which is built by the city of the Coral. Well, how can we do that? And there was,	00:31:55
	there's been a long term of silence and a long term of disgruntled.	00:32:02
	People were getting disgruntled and personalities were conflicting with each other, so I think that.	00:32:10
	You know, Mr. Herrera is the manager, that he's not the face of this issue. You know what Mr. Adeta is? Is is doing what he thinks	00:32:19
	is right for the Co-op. But there's board of trustees that have to say, hey, hey, hey, hold on here, guys. Hold on here. Mr.	00:32:26
	Edetta, we need to work with our community just like the school board. Hey, hey, Superintendent. Hold on there.	00:32:33
	You answer to the board of trustees, but the mayor here answers to the whole community and I think that's where we're at. I	00:32:41
	underline that you've been given that job. I'm not. I think you were saddled with a contract. Not. Paula was manager at one time.	00:32:47
	You know, so I'm. I'm not saying this is a personal thing at all. No, I don't take it personal. And I I would, Councilman Salami	00:32:52
	said.	00:32:58
	We serve communities. We serve San Ocasio Magdalena de Camaro.	00:33:04
	And so we serve these communities because no one else wanted to.	00:33:10
	The mayor said that you're going to have your costs, you're going to get your cost, you're going to know what it's going to cost	00:33:14
	to serve.	00:33:18
	And you're going to have to establish a.	00:33:22
	To capture all those costs and repay those costs. All, we're asking while you do those things and come up with your cards, because	00:33:24
	you'll probably come to the same conclusion.	00:33:29
	Your cards will probably have to be what our costs are probably higher because it's all new stuff, is to give us a franchise so we	00:33:35
	can continue to serve in the City of Scotland and those lines extend outside the city of Socorro to all these other communities.	00:33:41
	And that's what I was saying. There's going to impact other communities other than the not only the city of Socorro but also those	00:33:47
	communities outside the city. So. So tell me Mr. Hannah, you told me once.	00:33:54
	That the cost of energy to you was 2/3 of our bill.	00:34:01
	And the cost of energy that you from tri-state?	00:34:06
	That doesn't include the Wheeling, but just the try cost.	00:34:10
	The market right now is about 20% less. So how can you say that we're going to come to the same conclusion you are, but you're	00:34:13
	charging when we can buy the electricity cheaper?	00:34:19
	You're buying it at some distant place in Colorado, Arizona. You got to bring that power into Sokoto. You got to make that power.	00:34:26
	You got to get that power to the meter. The grid isn't just not Colorado, Arizona. The grid is just constant. Well, you guys have	00:34:31
	generational resources and there's nothing.	00:34:36
	But where is it getting it from? Where are they getting it from?	00:34:42
	Do you want to tell me all the engineering? I'm just giving you just a question if if the cost of energy?	00:34:49
	2/3 and I can get it for 20% cheaper. How can you even make that statement, which is kind of a, you know, the postcards you guys	00:34:56
	sent out four and a half million dollars. The American put it from mental health. That four and a half million, if you don't sell	00:35:02
	us your stuff, which you can take off, your debt service is going to be paid by the users. And it's going to be selfless stuff	00:35:09
	too. It's in the bylaws, it's in state statute. We cannot sell the stuff to you.	00:35:16
	The members, the members have to vote to sell that.	00:35:23
	I'm just going to tell you that this is a process. We've come to this.	00:35:28
	You came here for the franchise agreement, yes, for extending it. I know some of these people here from outside the city.	00:35:34
	There may suffer, but eventually if you let us have the whole footprint.	00:35:41
	Or if you buy electricity cheaper, I think we can come to terms and let you have the franchise agreement for another 25 years.	00:35:46
	But you've got to use that window that tri-state gave you, which you never used.	00:35:52
	That was used by Kit Carson and they paid off tri-state buyout and their rates are much cheaper and.	00:35:57
	They're also.	00:36:05
	And I'm not going to see any of your paperwork. That is all false, but you know.	00:36:07
	I can tell you Aztec.	00:36:12
	We're getting off the base of what the franchise?	00:36:15
	Is. I think it should be.	00:36:18
	I mean, what people are going to pay for the next 10 years?	00:36:22
	And I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to show it to the public. Yeah, well, show it to the public.	00:36:27
	When what? When? When we have you been to our meeting, then we watch your meeting.	00:36:33
	In middle of February, we'll have the answer you'll have for the established rates, but not the residents. The residents. That's	00:36:40
	who we're the residents.	00:36:45
	I want a lot of things to explain just from your income tax.	00:37:23
	You're making a million six. You've got no nonprofit, got nine. Well, you you give that money to the residents, you've got 9	00:37:28
	minutes cash reserves. You know don't tell me that you guys are. And then you go to the Supreme Court and your lawyer says we're	00:37:33
	going to have to borrow $14 million just to keep afloat. We have borrowed $14 million for the city of Socorro. Well, for the	00:37:39
	operations of the Cora, but.	00:37:45
	Having borrowed money, again, you're getting off what we're talking about, the franchise. You'll find out what those expenses are,	00:37:53
	as if we can just get a franchise.	00:37:57
	Like that public, I agree, Mr. Mann. And then you'll note the electric there's four things. The cost of electricity, operating and	00:38:01
	maintenance, the Wheeling and the debt service. Those four things will add up to 11 and a half cents, not 17.	00:38:08
	Our electric rates for residential are not 17, they're $0.15 all in. That's a hedge. That's really a hedge. The, you know, the	00:38:17
	effective, the effective energy cost we got into the gas rates. We could say the gas rates in the city of the corner, the highest	00:38:23
	rates in the state subsidized the gas rates last year for $1,000,000. When have you ever subsidized the electric weights to the	00:38:29
	poor people and where does subsidy come from? What? What do the subsidies come from? Federal government. Someone has to pay for	00:38:34
	it, right?	00:38:40
	And so the federal government. Who is the federal government? The citizens.	00:38:47
	Want to get on the franchise?	00:38:55
	I know most of the council didn't sit in on the hearings that we sat in over the last five years or so.	00:39:01
	But the coops main agreement?	00:39:08
	That they were arguing in their legal case was that the franchise was for 25 years by state law.	00:39:12
	So we need to be careful that any extension might be construed to go back.	00:39:18
	OK, just a minute.	00:39:23
	Did you just say make a statement that you borrowed another $14 million?	00:39:31
	Since the city protested our our rate increase, yes. And so we haven't had a rate increase since 2011. We've been borrowing money.	00:39:38
	And that is on top of the $40 million that you borrowed before?	00:39:47
	That was on $32 million that we.	00:39:52
	So that comes out to be a total of how much?	00:39:56
	What about collapse and get $45,000,000 right now? What do you find millionaire and what is your payoff time on that? Debt? 3rd 30	00:40:00
	year terms but what?	00:40:06
	The franchise.	00:40:12
	How do we get to our debt and the franchise? Because I'm sure you have debt and you have the city operates with debt. I mean you	00:40:13
	you have to borrow money. We've been fortunate to be in these low interest environ.	00:40:19
	That we're borrowing at 3 percent, 4%.	00:40:25
	So our debt cost collector on your electric bill is the credit, so.	00:40:30
	It hasn't been impacting your rates.	00:40:37
	It's a misstatement. We do not borrow money for operating and maintenance.	00:40:40
	That's not, that's a misstatement. Well, to get from the federal government, we borrowed for capital improvements. We do not do it	00:40:44
	for operating and maintenance. But your lawyer?	00:40:48
	Mr. Again, I'm Mr. Mayor. Correct me if I'm wrong, though in the past, I think, before we redid this.	00:40:53
	Wasn't wasn't there a time we operated on a month to month on the franchise because we didn't have something? That's when we sent	00:40:59
	him the trespassing notice and that's so we do have that ability if we needed to.	00:41:05
	Penalize this month to month, are you?	00:41:12
	Charges the additional fees or we never have. I think it's if I'm not mistaken it continues the words whatever will you've been	00:41:17
	2%, we've never been able to audit your books on that 22 million that you generate.	00:41:23
	Let me look at your income tax again. You generate 22 million on $14 million worth of energy that you buy.	00:41:31
	We the revenue was $24 million.	00:41:38
	But our power cost is 14,000,000. You can do it right there. You can look at it, but.	00:41:43
	You're talking about our operating annual?	00:41:50
	What I'm saying is, let's go back to what he said. You're paying us 2%. We've never been able to audit on what money are you	00:41:54
	paying that 2% on because we've asked you and you've never been able to give us that information that will be in the new	00:41:59
	franchise.	00:42:04
	That I we can audit your books as to why on what's that 120,000 if you if you work it backwards.	00:42:09
	We give you a monthly statement showing how we derive at that 2% and how that 140,000. Anyway your comment is that it is we don't	00:42:17
	charge them extra for this next.	00:42:22
	And then I'll have to look into what Mr. Monet just said. I don't want us to be trapped into a 25 year when they give him a one	00:42:28
	year extension.	00:42:32
	What what we're you know we're just trying to follow up on the conversation that we had in July. We've been talking in circles you	00:42:38
	I think we can extend your franchise.	00:42:43
	But I can't tell you they're going to go for 25 years and that's how we're asking for. We're just asking to see what you would	00:42:50
	offer. Well that's the meetings you're going to have with. We haven't seen that yet. I'll talk to a lawyer then we'll get the	00:42:56
	we'll get the extension of how much is going to cost for the industrial leg that's that's what we're asking an agreement that the	00:43:01
	fire I'm trying to be as.	00:43:07
	Hoping about what we're doing as possible.	00:43:13
	You know and and your answer, your answer was franchise agreement. What are you guys going to do after May? We're not going to	00:43:17
	have it up and going. So absolutely we're going to have to give you some.	00:43:22
	Assurance for your finances as to what we can do as far as the French and but I have to get the input of the lawyer. I have to get	00:43:28
	input of the state legislature make sure that we're not doing something that will give.	00:43:34
	Something we try to get trapped into and then we'll give you the prices that we're going to have for the industrial leg.	00:43:41
	The residential link.	00:43:47
	Will also be similar, but the cost of poles and the hardware and and you taking them off and the cost of this here's substations	00:43:49
	coming up.	00:43:53
	This I-25 quarter, we're finally going to get the answer to how much it's going to cost us and what that we're going to incur and	00:43:59
	either you.	00:44:04
	Sell us your stuff or we put in new stuff. We will have the users pay for that debt service, just like you're making us pay the	00:44:09
	$44 million.	00:44:14
	From the debt service which is 1,000,004 on your income tax.	00:44:20
	A year.	00:44:24
	So do you have a time frame when you anticipate that middle of February we'll have the answer to that, that piece of the puzzle,	00:44:26
	but the franchise when you would have?	00:44:30
	But I would like to see what happens with this meeting that you haven't. You haven't divulged that you agreed to that meeting, but	00:44:39
	I understand you have this meeting.	00:44:44
	I'd love to have you there and City Council members there. I'm going to invite myself, but if you guys invite me, I'll be more	00:44:50
	than happy to. But I think we need to know what's going to happen at that meeting.	00:44:55
	Well, that meeting is going to be for information because they want to tell us where they're getting their power from and and what	00:45:01
	what they own and and yeah, so when we invited the CEO from tri-state.	00:45:06
	They they said, oh, we're gonna postpone that because we like our CEO there too. So we'll try and get some dates together because	00:45:12
	I understand they wanted everyone involved to be there, 'cause Denver, Denise come to Denver Hashtag, he's been with them for nine	00:45:19
	years and they're more than happy talk to talk to La Plata and talked to Montrose Delta. Well, we we also talked to some of their	00:45:26
	members and they're not happy because they're paying them pretty much the same rate which which which project Carson.	00:45:34
	There are persons unhappy with **** Carson's. Rates have been the same since 2016, and they're still the same today.	00:45:41
	At 14.5, well, they're the same rate from 2016 when they were still with tri-state. 14 1/2 Fourteen Points. They haven't changed	00:45:48
	the rate tariffs at the PRC, they still charge.	00:45:54
	Rate today that they were charging when they were trash.	00:46:01
	I'll get you that information at the next meeting so we can have Luis Reyes on the phones with you and then see, see if he agrees	00:46:04
	with what you're saying, right. All I'm just saying is that our tariff that we have for the PRC.	00:46:11
	But you don't.	00:46:20
	Pearson, you took their you took their case that they said you can't raise their rates just like P&M just got it from PRC. I	00:46:22
	wonder if.	00:46:26
	That what the Supreme Court said, well, we'll wait. We'll find out what I say. So you think PNM, because they're decreasing the	00:46:33
	rates because PRC said that they're going to take it to the Supreme Court?	00:46:39
	While they have the same opportunity, I don't know, I don't speak for.	00:46:45
	Our money with these lawyers, we're not wasting your money. We're you're causing us to waste money because why didn't you protest	00:46:51
	it? Why did you protest it? I guess we just go along with whatever you say.	00:46:56
	So is it fair to say that by March 1st?	00:47:05
	We should have an. I'll give you a number. OK.	00:47:09
	And we should have a franchise agreement by then.	00:47:13
	Well, yeah, Well.	00:47:16
	Example example example of.	00:47:20
	That, that as long as we don't get into something that Donald just said, if we extend it, that automatically says you do it for 25	00:47:22
	years. I'm not going to live that long.	00:47:27
	But if we could extend it year by year, that's I'm more than happy to do that. I don't have a problem. I think that's fine, Mr.	00:47:33
	Mayor.	00:47:37
	Mr. Mayor said that regarding Kate Carson. I think it's an important.	00:47:42
	Note that recognized that even if they saved money on their rates and charged their customers the same amount, their net income	00:47:47
	went up and invested that money in solar and broadband. They're 100% solar.	00:47:54
	I mean, OK, we got lots of people out here that might want to make a comment.	00:48:02
	We've got gentlemen from Yellowstone.	00:48:10
	Come on up. Come on, introduce yourself. You got to make.	00:48:13
	Make it, make it.	00:48:17
	Make it. Make it official.	00:48:20
	4th Day Smith I live in Santa.	00:48:23
	And from.	00:48:27
	You're creating a lot of apprehension.	00:48:30
	For us.	00:48:33
	We are there.	00:48:36
	The whole future. I never threatened to raise your race. They're the ones who know that. You just said it.	00:48:39
	Understanding what's happening here in this situation is creating apprehension.	00:48:44
	We don't know what's going to happen from year to year now and.	00:48:52
	You know, so everybody's got to come to the council meeting every year to find out what's going to happen.	00:48:58
	And tell me, what's the apprehension? What is the apprehension that you're feeling?	00:49:05
	As residential folks, you already said, if you take it over, that'll be step by step.	00:49:11
	So we're out there and you got the city taken care of, but what about us?	00:49:18
	They're still taking care of you. The coop is still taking care of you.	00:49:24
	And they will have less debt service because the amount of money that we can pay them to get their stuff off of our property will	00:49:28
	take away from the $42 million that they're paying a million and a half for debt service. So the the rule areas will stay with	00:49:34
	this coral.	00:49:40
	If that's up to them, we offer to take over the whole footprint.	00:49:47
	That's your apprehension of him saying.	00:49:54
	I think it's possible, he says it's not, so you need to convince him that it's possible.	00:49:56
	Do you change the? No, it's not state statues.	00:50:02
	The.	00:50:05
	Get on with it. You're actually, I agree with your apprehension.	00:50:12
	You know, he's making statements that the state statute states that the city is only allowed to have electricity 5 miles outside	00:50:15
	the city limits.	00:50:19
	Which state statue are you replying?	00:50:24
	State statute of municipal electric utilities and what they can serve, how far they can serve outside be a municipal electric	00:50:29
	utility. They will be a Socorro County Electric Utility.	00:50:35
	Compare a municipal utility.	00:50:44
	Yeah, that's one apprehension. I was looking to that. I'll look into that for you that we can't say that.	00:50:48
	No.	00:50:55
	People.	00:51:00
	They're concerned about. I understand you guys take over, you gotta pay for the power poles and why all of that? To get out and	00:51:05
	the rates are going to go higher than they already. I understand what you're saying and I understand the apprehension for people	00:51:11
	outside the city.	00:51:17
	We have offered to take over the footprint. Continental Divide comes down pretty close to their territory. There's lots of other	00:51:23
	co-ops that will serve you and serve you better with better rates. I'm not saying your rates would not go up. I don't have any	00:51:29
	idea that the only threat that you've heard is from them saying they're going to increase the rates that the city takes over. That	00:51:35
	is a threat that is not substantiated.	00:51:41
	You got an operating cost, you don't have the the industrial loan which you are more concerned about industrial versus the	00:51:49
	residential and you got to spread that cost to the other ratepayers who would be residential.	00:51:56
	Well, now that's your mathematics.	00:52:04
	What I'm saying?	00:52:07
	You can buy the energy cheaper.	00:52:08
	You can also implement solar like Kit Carson, which is very rural. Kit Carson is still a.	00:52:11
	It serves Taos Questa in that area, and Raton itself is a city Co.	00:52:17
	I mean a municipal electric Co-op and outside of that?	00:52:24
	Is served by a county court. So we can get you the rates that there's between Raton and what the county is getting paid. I can	00:52:29
	give you some of that information. So your apprehensions, it's all about how much it's going to cost you, right? That's what	00:52:33
	you're worried about.	00:52:38
	So the people in the city who I represent, it's the well, I'm here representing rule.	00:52:45
	I agree. I mean, I understand the apprehension. Let me get you some numbers though, over and above the coops, what they're making	00:52:53
	statements about because they said, you know, they sent out postcards that were like totally off the track as to what they were	00:53:00
	saying. The city was going to do four and a half million dollars, our gas rates are going up, blah, blah, blah.	00:53:06
	Totally different than what the coop is actually doing. We don't send out those kind of crazy postcards.	00:53:13
	You know that really make everybody agitated.	00:53:19
	And that's what they're doing. Well, no, they're based on facts that the four and a half million dollars that you say that I'm	00:53:22
	going to spend could be used for mental health and for for for children's and activities. Where are you going to get the format	00:53:27
	we're going on for what your rates are for natural gas, sewer and water? That's what we're showing the.	00:53:33
	Postcard for the what a substation cost but yours? I saw your proposed substation a little bigger than what we normally would do.	00:53:41
	Look, the city's taking care of the city.	00:53:52
	Citizens, what about the people outside? And you know, and we've already had this discussion that you know that you can't serve	00:53:54
	him Auto, Santa, Costia and beyond your your foot.	00:54:00
	Mr. Parker.	00:54:07
	I guess.	00:54:09
	My question would.	00:54:10
	So if we at the city left and it caused.	00:54:13
	I guess the outside of the city's rates to go up.	00:54:19
	Isn't there like the PRC regulate that then and it doesn't allow you just ejaculate rates up just that quick?	00:54:23
	You'd have to go to the PSP again, so there's still a.	00:54:31
	Yeah, if the city has a.	00:54:35
	You guys approve it and that's it. It's over with.	00:54:38
	Yeah. Thank you.	00:54:41
	No, but you're I think the big comment that you made is it hits home, you're apprehensive about how much the rates would go up in	00:54:44
	the county.	00:54:49
	If the city went.	00:54:54
	From the club. That's your big apprehension.	00:54:56
	I don't know how good your service is now after that big thing in a little. I mean, you know, they don't have redundancy on their	00:55:00
	substations.	00:55:05
	Substitution goes out, goes down for a.	00:55:10
	You know, but but I think the big question is what's it going to cost?	00:55:13
	When the city, the 35% and I think Mr. Williams made a comment that the city uses 10 megawatts which is I'm not sure if that's	00:55:18
	true, but if the 10 megawatts went away.	00:55:25
	From them buying it from Kit Carson, we want to see what the cost would be for the county and I will try to get that information.	00:55:31
	Mr. Partridge, last point you brought up.	00:55:41
	Gas and water and it's like apples and oranges, I.	00:55:45
	From what I understand about it, we should just be comparing what What I think the man is trying to do is compare what electricity	00:55:49
	rates are being purchased through other places. With electricity comparing, I just being honest and like the solar rate, there's	00:55:56
	no there's hardly a benefit in this town for how much? How much?	00:56:02
	The lack of benefit it is for.	00:56:10
	For anybody to be out there to actually put solar energy back in the grid, and I know I brought that up and we met and you said,	00:56:12
	well, there's some things with it that there could be damage to the lines if there was like a solar surge. That's exactly what you	00:56:16
	told me.	00:56:20
	And then from.	00:56:25
	I I I deal so much with people that are live out in the county. I love them to death. I love going out to their places. I've never	00:56:29
	seen this many recent years.	00:56:33
	So many of them going off.	00:56:37
	Because they couldn't afford the 10 poles. It was to get him whatever. And I get it. There's going to be a cost.	00:56:39
	But umm, it seems like that like the cost isn't like shared equally. Maybe. I don't know. I just.	00:56:45
	I just really feel like I guess my biggest question for you.	00:56:52
	Things like that, things like that that that somebody else are paying for like the the actual businesses in town that want to get	00:56:57
	solar and they get like penalized for it basically like they don't, I don't even know that you guys pay them for their.	00:57:03
	2.8 cents I mean.	00:57:11
	That was regardless, My point is, it's like.	00:57:16
	The the upgrades, we didn't talk about solar flares we talked about.	00:57:51
	Your your service may need to be upgraded and that requires a CID permit. I explained that whole process to you.	00:57:55
	I was talking about we offer financing for for a line extensions.	00:58:03
	So we we offer those type programs, but all those things when you're nonprofit, somebody has to pay for it, right? And who do you	00:58:10
	collect from your ratepayers? So you either put them in your rates.	00:58:15
	Are you or they? They pay their their skin in the game and you'll find out when your utility.	00:58:20
	That when people want to extend power, I would like you to bring that personally. You said with $7000 to right next to the	00:58:26
	powerful. I like to visit with them.	00:58:31
	But.	00:58:37
	The point I'm getting at?	00:58:38
	To be fair to everyone in.	00:58:40
	When we got our discussion, I kind of walked you through what those processes were for interconnecting for solar, what we pay.	00:58:44
	And and all those things because again we haven't had a rainy increase since 2011. So the way you do those things is fairly.	00:58:52
	Everyone paying their fair skin in the game and that's how we operate as a non profit. We talked about $24 million in revenue.	00:59:00
	That revenue has to cover our operational costs and our power costs and all those things.	00:59:09
	Anything that's left after that, there are a day that's getting back to the members and that's what's paid. You got a million four	00:59:14
	leftover.	00:59:18
	And and so those I didn't have it. We paid that back to the members. In fact, we're here today to give the city their patronage	00:59:22
	for 1998 of $26,000.	00:59:26
	We would not get into capital credits. And the other thing is there's not many sit very well with the county people. But you know,	00:59:32
	they sell gasoline in Albuquerque for $2.40, they're charging me $2.90. I'm not asking the people from Albuquerque to subsidize my	00:59:37
	gas.	00:59:42
	There's a cost in living outside the city, there's a cost in living outside of Albuquerque and I think you have to be realistic as	00:59:48
	to how that's going to cost going to be transferred again.	00:59:53
	Those that's the reality of living in the rural area. City pays $2.89 for gasoline.	00:59:58
	A gallon, they're paying two 39240 in Albuquerque, so you know, there's a lot of.	01:00:04
	Up and down with the cost of energy.	01:00:12
	And then all I'm saying to Mr. Herrera.	01:00:14
	He can buy energy 20% cheaper from Guzman.	01:00:17
	And tri-state.	01:00:21
	The biggest power company in Denver, United Power, has left tri-state.	01:00:24
	They buy a billion two of electricity in Denver from tri-state. tri-state is losing customers for a reason because there's cheaper	01:00:30
	electricity out there. The county can get it, the city can get it and we're going to bring you those numbers in mid February. The,	01:00:38
	the utility you mentioned has over 200,000 customers. We have 8000, so there's a little bit of that.	01:00:46
	I'm just saying United Power is looking out for their customers and they're going to get cheaper electricity. One person or	01:00:55
	200,000.	01:00:59
	That's what I'm saying. So here's your capital credits for $26,000. Thank you.	01:01:03
	That was a nice gift.	01:01:10
	I think that's what it's all about. You better get it before I go spend it. Give it to Ruby over there.	01:01:12
	But at the end of the day, there is your friend. There's a there's a cost for you to get that Elect.	01:01:19
	I think that was perfect, but first sets the Wheeling cost and I know they're sticking it to get cars and tri-state and that's.	01:01:26
	How to help you look at your public service We have another line. Public service company is not close but it's still we can use	01:01:36
	them for the Wheeling.	01:01:40
	And you'll have the Sun 0 project coming through here, too.	01:01:44
	They're they're not dropping any lines. I think we're we're, we're.	01:01:50
	Just I think we're talking about the same thing. Yeah, I think we're March 1st and and we'll we've accomplished Donald.	01:01:55
	We'll look into the extension of the franchise agreement.	01:02:04
	Will bring something in the middle of February for the cause.	01:02:08
	And will this cost me what the ratepayers are going to pay? Yeah, the industrial, just the industrial. Well, that's all I'm	01:02:13
	driving right now and we're going to look.	01:02:17
	Other counties and what they.	01:02:22
	That the city owns the municipal electricity like Raton, like Aztec.	01:02:25
	And.	01:02:31
	Tier C.	01:02:33
	As to what the county is paying and what the city is paying and we'll bring that to you as to what the cost is.	01:02:35
	Mr. Mayor, just one more question.	01:02:41
	If coops all work the same way all the way from tri-state down.	01:02:44
	And United leaves and isn't tri-state going to be forced to raise their rates just like he said, you want to raise their rates.	01:02:48
	It's going to happen. You're not going to tell me you're going to have your rates stable, not going to have any rate increases	01:02:52
	this year.	01:02:56
	What was?	01:03:01
	Are you going to race?	01:03:04
	Where is.	01:03:07
	No, tri-state.	01:03:08
	They raised the rates January.	01:03:12
	6.6%.	01:03:14
	And you didn't present that? Was that?	01:03:16
	The last time we got a rate increase from tri-state was 2017, but this 26% rate increase in Pasadena, pass it on, I said I said	01:03:19
	6.6%, did you pass it on?	01:03:24
	And that will that will pass on through to the membership.	01:03:30
	And and right now you see that as a as a credit on your electric bill. You know, I do not get the electric bill credit. All I get	01:03:34
	is what I'm going to pay. I divided the kilowatt hours by that and that's what I'm paying. I don't know the mumbo jumbo on that	01:03:39
	electric.	01:03:44
	Beyond me.	01:03:49
	Well, that's the same humble jumbo and Kit Carson's electric bill.	01:03:51
	Well then the simple things just take the kilowatts, take what you're paying out of your wallet, divide it out $0.17.	01:03:55
	But that won't be the same cost for for Mr. Fleming, where for.	01:04:03
	Divide that off for him.	01:04:08
	No.	01:04:13
	There's way more. I mean finally we got a chance to exchange information and talk. I mean that's great, but let's go to look	01:04:15
	forward to seeing anybody else that wants to make a comment.	01:04:20
	Come, yes, ma'am.	01:04:26
	So I had a question. My name is Nancy Bowling. I want to know how the city is going to guarantee that the service you're providing	01:04:31
	manpower wise is going to be better than the co-ops is.	01:04:38
	What what? We will run it just like we do all the other utilities.	01:04:46
	You don't have enough manpower to provide a trash can for four months.	01:04:51
	City cannot provide animal shelter care, which is why they won't take in animals at this time.	01:04:57
	How can you provide a guarantee?	01:05:02
	Yeah, I've lived in the city and the county.	01:05:06
	With you, I got him right here.	01:05:10
	Which address do you live at?	01:05:14
	That you didn't get.	01:05:16
	901 School of Mines 901 School of Mines didn't have a can for four.	01:05:17
	Would you look into that tomorrow? That's how we do it here. As far as it's going to be a new department, Aztec has 13 lineman and	01:05:24
	workers. They have a, they have a general manager, they have an engineer.	01:05:30
	They have a finance person, they have a legal person, we have the same legal, we have the same finance and we have the same	01:05:36
	engineer as Aztec.	01:05:41
	We're going to do exactly the same thing that Aztec does. They return a million to to the city.	01:05:46
	From the utility itself to sell $6 million worth of electricity.	01:05:53
	That's what we're going to do this a brand new utility and we will hire people. And if you think the Co-op is giving you great	01:05:58
	service, Hallelujah, I wouldn't say they're giving great service, but you are guaranteeing that this is the service that you will	01:06:03
	provide to the cities, civilians.	01:06:09
	And county.	01:06:15
	That if any issues come out, we don't have to come to a city meeting to get something resolved.	01:06:16
	You know, I get well, thank you. I'm very available. Ma'am, have you tried to get into the coop?	01:06:23
	And ask for some.	01:06:29
	Can you get in like? Can you get in like that?	01:06:31
	Waiting on $50.00 in two years. You will not have to wait for $60.00 for two years with us.	01:06:34
	Mr. Fleming. Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, Mr. Mayor, I've had the privilege.	01:06:40
	Of being.	01:06:46
	Here at the City Council meeting.	01:06:49
	For 13 years.	01:06:51
	The preceding 10 years, I stood in the back of the room with my students televising.	01:06:53
	All the meetings throughout the city.	01:07:00
	And I want to.	01:07:04
	Thank you, Mr. Herrera, from being here, and this is the largest amount of time I have ever seen a representative from the.	01:07:07
	Discussing any.	01:07:16
	With the City Council.	01:07:19
	So thank you for doing that and I think.	01:07:22
	There could be.	01:07:28
	I'm not sure if there is.	01:07:30
	Maybe it's going past the fact because the state Supreme Court.	01:07:33
	A. Decisions that were made by the PRC you did not like.	01:07:38
	That we now have to abide.	01:07:44
	Those are things that help us bound.	01:07:48
	So.	01:07:55
	Also you.	01:07:57
	Keep borrowing.	01:08:00
	Yes, we borrow money. I will be, I think we're borrowing $6 million for a sewer line at Evergreen, is that correct?	01:08:03
	8 million.	01:08:13
	We will pay it off. We have to pay it off in 40 years.	01:08:16
	But our engineers because of the number of people that are on this sewer line.	01:08:22
	We will not make any money back in 40 years.	01:08:29
	It'll take longer.	01:08:34
	But the amount of debt service that you put everybody into?	01:08:37
	I question.	01:08:43
	And I'm concerned about it.	01:08:46
	I'd like to put your concerns at ease because we've borrowed those funds at a low interest rate.	01:08:49
	What your loans are, but I'm sure they were lower than than what you thought 20 years ago. How much are we paying?	01:08:54
	Yeah. So in the same market that we're in, Council Fleming, I was here in July, we were told we.	01:09:03
	Get some kind of franchise agreement that we could review and that's what and I spent quite amount of time back then I think was	01:09:09
	about 40 minutes up here responding to questions. And so no, I appreciate you recognizing that we're we're here.	01:09:16
	When was the last time you were here to answer these questions? July.	01:09:25
	This year? No, not this year.	01:09:31
	Yes, Sir, of 23.	01:09:35
	My name is Ralph Boardman and I live up in Ranches de Bernardo and I've lived up there for 27 years now and we've had a lovely	01:09:38
	time up there. It's the best place on earth to live and.	01:09:44
	I'm and I've had a really good experience with the Co-op. Most of the time they might be doing a little bit less, but this is a	01:09:51
	very big county.	01:09:56
	And the existing infrastructure is old and they don't, you know, and I think they're doing, at least from my perspective, when the	01:10:03
	power has gone out.	01:10:08
	They've it's never been more than five hours, which I think is good considering how far out we are. I think that's really good.	01:10:14
	Now I really wish you guys could stop fighting and.	01:10:20
	Work these things out. I would rather see the Co.	01:10:28
	Continue with their thing because rather than rocking the.	01:10:31
	And bringing in new people and everything, because it's not just going to be these guys, it's going to be the, you know, the	01:10:36
	lineman, they know that the train that are down, the people that are down here, they know how what's like, you know, they know	01:10:41
	their job.	01:10:46
	And I I'm not sure that new people, well, whenever we get, whenever our UPS guy goes on vacation.	01:10:52
	It takes three or four.	01:11:03
	Other people, various attempts to get us our packages because when they have their vacation, people come in, they can't find	01:11:06
	anything out here.	01:11:11
	And I'm afraid that that that that same situation will happen if you change.	01:11:16
	You know WR.	01:11:22
	In the middle of a race you can get, it's just you're not going to win, you know? I think the best thing is to stick with these	01:11:24
	guys.	01:11:28
	And try and talk more in a nice way. Not on Facebook and you.	01:11:33
	You could like explain your situation better because what we get in the in the mailings.	01:11:39
	Is really substandard? You know as to a description of what the problem is, what your issues are?	01:11:46
	And you guys can communicate with.	01:11:53
	The county, too.	01:11:56
	You know.	01:11:58
	It is a city, but it's a sort of rural city. And you're not a lot less. I mean, you're not a lot more urban than we are. You know,	01:12:00
	we're all on pretty much the same level of urbanity, I think.	01:12:09
	Yes. And you don't think we're as as urbanized as you are. Well, we're we're fine. And you know, I mean we're fine except for the	01:12:17
	roads, which we have some problems with the roads we would like timely fixing of the roads.	01:12:23
	That's not county, but I know. But you and you guys have to work with the county. Let me make a.	01:12:30
	I understand. I understand that you love this. You know when you say you guys?	01:12:36
	You guys are?	01:12:44
	Yeah.	01:12:46
	We know that right now the club is in union, made talks with alignment right now, and those are the same lineman that we'll end up	01:12:47
	hiring.	01:12:52
	Well, I hope so. So that's not going to be a change.	01:12:56
	You know, so, so don't say that we're not, we're going to be amateurs at this. You know we run a natural gas utility which is a	01:12:59
	very dangerous type of utility and and we've been running that for.	01:13:05
	50 years. So I think so your plan is really to have the city run the entire footprint. We offered that.	01:13:11
	I can only leverage what's going on in the city because of the franchise agreement. I can't. I'm worried that we would have	01:13:21
	something like PNM.	01:13:25
	I, you know, I lived in Albuquerque for 30 years before I moved down here. And I, you know, and.	01:13:29
	I was not ever happy with PNM. Nobody's ever happy. Nobody's ever happy with.	01:13:37
	Actually, when we moved down here, I know the coop has changed a lot and they're now charging a lot for polls. We moved down here,	01:13:45
	we had to have seven Poles brought into our our land and they charged us $400.00 a poll.	01:13:52
	That was awesome. And you know and we were you know I don't want to know where you're going because we're going to need them but	01:14:00
	but but that was 27 years ago and I I don't now I would like to see that we could you know we need to have.	01:14:07
	If you want Sakura County to develop, I'm not sure I will do. But maybe we do want them to develop. We can. You know, the best	01:14:15
	thing to do is to stop is to stop this fighting. It's all been going on, Sir, for 15 years. You're not the first time.	01:14:25
	Because this is obviously just a small town.	01:14:34
	I just see small town, you know, like you guys are just fighting back.	01:14:39
	And you have gripes and but let's just not have everybody on the county pay for. But it's essentially your. I'm, I'm sorry, don't	01:14:45
	mean to interrupt. I just wanted to say this like from the deep down bottom of my heart, I know.	01:14:51
	Probably 90% of the workers at the Co-op, and none of us have any. I mean, our Co-op workers are rock stars. Like those lineman,	01:14:58
	those guys, they're bad dudes.	01:15:03
	Yeah, like they're they're awesome. The only, I mean like any issues that I'm not speaking for everybody else but with me or just	01:15:10
	like administrative decisions that at that level I promise you the the most complaints I get are from the lineman about the Co-op.	01:15:17
	The thing is I I really think that you got. I really wish you guys would work this out.	01:15:26
	You know, in a civil war, Mr. Legend, unless, unless there's any other comments from the council, maybe call the question on this	01:15:31
	discussion the mayor Pro Tem.	01:15:35
	We appreciate your comments. I had the lack of clarity and I think I understand the issue a lot better.	01:15:42
	I think he's talked to Warden McCartney. Have you talked to him? Your representative up there? No, That's your trustee.	01:15:51
	Talk to him, yeah, And see what he thinks of the call, because they've already censored him to even come into the executive	01:15:57
	session because he made a comment that he did. He supposedly leaked something to me.	01:16:03
	Talk to Ward.	01:16:09
	OK, I'll do that. Here's your representative Trustee. Yeah, well, I can find them. I can find anyone. That's how he is.	01:16:11
	Telephone number calling.	01:16:20
	I will do that because that's the kind of investigation you need to do instead of calling us small.	01:16:23
	Not.	01:16:29
	Well, we love the small town. We got a terrific university. We've got a great Pascale Apache. Somebody's knocking on the door.	01:16:32
	I just wanted to say I appreciate you coming to wrap up with that. I mean we want to comment.	01:16:42
	Come on guys. Anyone else?	01:16:54
	But again, again, the apprehension thing is important.	01:16:58
	The cost of the county.	01:17:02
	Cost about service, those are the two things I think we're very concerned about everybody in the county.	01:17:03
	I don't think they should be concerned about in the city because their rates will go down.	01:17:09
	And you can just look at their income tax return. I'll make that public poll or put it on the link.	01:17:15
	And you see what their administrative.	01:17:21
	Look at the administrative costs that the city will not incur because we already have a billing service.	01:17:24
	We already have accounts receivable collections.	01:17:30
	And if you.	01:17:33
	Administrative service. They're in the.	01:17:34
	And that's a very if you're going to investigate and you want to look into things.	01:17:38
	Instead of just a feeling good thing, look into their income tax returns on 20/22 and and and also the audit from the PRC and	01:17:43
	we'll put that on the link.	01:17:47
	Our budget is our budget.	01:17:53
	On the link City budget is already on. The link in those documents are visible on our website.	01:17:56
	Again, you're looking at just for industrial, we're trying to, you're looking at just the industrial.	01:18:03
	Customers, we're trying to lookout for everybody in the community. That's great. Mr. Park, last question. So when you meet with	01:18:08
	this meeting that's coming up with tri-state and Guzman, are you guys exploring options to find more rates for the community at	01:18:13
	that time?	01:18:17
	We're going to listen to Guzman here. I'm out. See where where the rubber makes the road.	01:18:23
	The counselor. The process was that Guzman reached out to them.	01:18:30
	And they kindly accepted the invitation. OK, but the but the it's kind of an administrative meeting.	01:18:35
	And so they're going to have their CEO from tri-state.	01:18:42
	Jeff Height, who's the vice president of Gus Guzman in Denver. He'll.	01:18:45
	I'm hoping I'm invited. If not, I don't want to mess things up, but I think it's a good progress for them to come and meet.	01:18:50
	Mr. Salami, I'm sorry.	01:19:00
	Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, What did you say, Mr. Mayor, I would just ask that if the councillors are planning on attending that	01:19:04
	meeting. No, no, no. Just so we can. I'm not inviting the councillors, but the Co-op is inviting me. It'll be at one of our open	01:19:09
	meetings.	01:19:14
	OK, you guys still trying to wiggle it on, I swear, I tell you. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor.	01:19:22
	I would still like to know in case we have to meet. Once we get the dates, we'll let you all.	01:19:29
	It was set for yesterday was the 16th.	01:19:35
	So.	01:19:42
	There you go again. You know you're you're going to invite the whole council to that meeting.	01:19:44
	Aren't they members of the cooperative?	01:19:51
	The trustees I'm coming to, yeah, there'll be a board meeting, open board meeting.	01:19:53
	Not a separate meeting? Well, they weren't to meet with the entire board.	01:19:58
	And all transparency we do this with, with all our people.	01:20:05
	Thank you for not saying anything.	01:20:10
	Thank you for coming.	01:20:14
	Spoke here at the beginning.	01:20:16
	Now we appreciate you. Thanks a lot burning. We appreciate. We appreciate you coming and you know we're we're one big city here	01:20:19
	Mr. Mayor. Yes Sir my last, my last request if the council does plan on attending to let us know as soon as possible so we can	01:20:24
	meet any advertising requirements.	01:20:29
	OK, whatever Mister man. I will make a motion that we pass resolution #24-01-16, the CDBG federal requirements.	01:20:36
	Move to 2nd And just to let you know that Mister Monet.	01:20:46
	Got himself.	01:20:50
	How much a million to?	01:20:52
	Right now it's 750,000 with an option to apply for over cost overruns up to 440,000. So it'll be.	01:20:54
	That's what I see the BG is.	01:21:05
	Mr. Mayor, did we, Did we approve that?	01:21:11
	The important one engineering service City of Park renovation proposal is from side Southwest. Thank you for coming.	01:21:16
	We thought their design and other stuff that we read in their proposal was great.	01:21:23
	He can. Denny can elaborate a little bit.	01:21:28
	They also know the area quite a bit and they have a good relationship with people in the areas We felt real comfortable with them	01:21:32
	take a motion, so moved.	01:21:36
	Aye, and opposed, OK, this anymore new business?	01:21:41
	Mr. Mayor.	01:21:46
	Deborah did along the meetings. I know we've been here a long time, but I received an anonymous letter in the mail.	01:21:48
	Did not have a name or signature, so.	01:21:55
	How to address the validity of it? So it's kind of like addressing gossip. However, since we are in the new year, I I would like	01:21:58
	us to review a hiring policy when it comes to.	01:22:03
	Hiring relatives. We're a small town, so we know that everyone's related.	01:22:09
	And then additionally, I like to for us to review our procurement procedures and what our thresholds are when we go out to bid.	01:22:16
	And when is it OK just to pick up the phone and call an electrician and say, hey, I need we need help with something or a	01:22:23
	contractor to do work, so can we just have someone?	01:22:28
	OK. Well, number one, we do have a nepotism policy. If they're not working, if they're working directly under somebody, they're	01:22:34
	not allowed to be hired. And we try to keep to that.	01:22:39
	The amount of money that we can actually give somebody as a contractor without making three phone calls is what?	01:22:46
	So to.	01:22:54
	Over 60 / 60,000 we have to go up for bids, so up.	01:22:56
	Yeah, formal bids and.	01:23:01
	Then it's 3.	01:23:03
	And then under 20 is.	01:23:06
	And then picking up the phone to call a former electrician or a roofer.	01:23:10
	We do that all the time because we have problems, so that's already in.	01:23:16
	Now we go by state people, I understand.	01:23:21
	If there's if there's a if there's a violation of that rule, I'd be more than happy to have the council approach me on it and	01:23:23
	we'll see what I can do.	01:23:28
	We cannot find people to work.	01:23:33
	And as long as there is no und.	01:23:36
	Coercion and we have other candidates.	01:23:41
	We try to follow that.	01:23:44
	But I'm probably not. I don't have lots of relatives though, so Mr.	01:23:48
	Mr. Mayor, Councillor Dean, also during the voucher process, those vouchers are reviewed by 4 different people and signed off for	01:23:54
	by 4 different people, and that they're not on the state contract, will stop the voucher and make sure they follow the state	01:23:59
	procurement code.	01:24:03
	Thank you.	01:24:09
	And we have an icon.	01:24:12
	That people can use city of.	01:24:14
	That they can respond.	01:24:17
	Anytime they want directly to administration.	01:24:19
	I'm just going to say and some of the letters we get, sometime people are free to make accusations, name names, but when it comes	01:24:22
	time for them to identify themselves as a citizen.	01:24:28
	So it's.	01:24:37
	And the question?	01:24:43
	No. And the state of New Mexico has probably one of the top procurement codes in the nation. So a lot of other states follow the	01:24:50
	New Mexico State procurement code because it is so thorough.	01:24:56
	That's one thing I can oppose.	01:25:03
	I don't know if it'd be old or new, but we addressed it last time about the.	01:25:08
	Jill and me being with the county, so I made a couple calls to Joe Gonzalez and John Aguilar.	01:25:13
	About us potentially using or start some conversation about the.	01:25:21
	We're having a transport.	01:25:27
	Juvenile Detention center helping to transport those kids to Farmington and potentially the city, working with the county and	01:25:30
	utilizing the building.	01:25:33
	So that you know, they said that they were get back to us on it. So I just wanted to let people know followed up on it.	01:25:37
	It's difficult.	01:25:45
	Mr.	01:25:47
	I'm wonderful business. Today is the first day of was opening day at the legislature and I didn't see it in the voucher run, but	01:25:49
	do we have lobbyists this year?	01:25:54
	We have actually potential of.	01:26:00
	We had Jay and Mateka Santianas.	01:26:03
	We have Justin.	01:26:07
	And we may end up having Sippy if you can do what I asked him to do, Sofia.	01:26:09
	So there's three. I'm asking Sophie to look at the meeting with the governor, setting up a meeting with the governor and the	01:26:14
	Department of Cultural Affairs to help us with the help us with the museum community. We've asked for 250,000 and to move the	01:26:21
	monument, that's 250,000.	01:26:27
	We've asked Justin. We're having a short run Montanaris.	01:26:33
	Was supposed to be.	01:26:39
	With the now are we are we are they going to be in a contractor, is that are we extending?	01:26:42
	Is this all potential ones or is this potential? Well, we've signed Sophie, but there's a deliverable. He has to deliver that	01:26:48
	before he gets paid. But Justin Reese has been with us for.	01:26:53
	And Jay and Mateka have been with us for five years, four or five.	01:26:58
	Mr. Mayor, that's under 70,000, which is professional services in the procurement code, so it doesn't have to come to the council	01:27:06
	for 60,000 for approval. But that's not something like it was like 6000 total on the voucher on it so.	01:27:13
	SJR which is Justin, Richard or JSR?	01:27:21
	Whatever it is I should have, I should have explained that to you. Justin was the previous Cabinet secretary for Department of	01:27:26
	Transportation.	01:27:30
	And he's helped.	01:27:34
	For getting us monies for Rd.	01:27:36
	A lot. And we did renew, does Mateka and Jays. We did renew that one. Yes, Sir. And nothing changed in the deliverables. And we	01:27:39
	did because I know in the past we've gotten the contract on that one before before the session started. I just didn't know if	01:27:45
	anything had changed on that one again, because I will even know that to you tomorrow. But I did that administratively.	01:27:52
	And then we have, if I'm in Santa Fe, like, at least I can be like, there's a lot of cross, but there's three, yeah.	01:27:59
	And do we have like a list of items that we're going to go to the registration? We only have three, three things, three things.	01:28:08
	Finley is a big one.	01:28:13
	And representative had hopefully assured us that a million is would.	01:28:18
	Then we've done the two things with the museum and the movement of the structure.	01:28:24
	And sound system at the rodeo, Sound system at the rodeo and landscaping our highway exits.	01:28:29
	And.	01:28:38
	Yeah, exactly. The 1st, 12 and a match for the lights at.	01:28:42
	$2,000,000 for a spec building at the Eagle.	01:28:47
	To try to get some, I will e-mail what we provided our lobbyists to the Council tomorrow, but just to finish on council games	01:28:51
	question.	01:28:55
	Justin, invoices should be monthly unless we missed a month with I think we did get behind a month and lately Jay and Mateika have	01:29:01
	been billing us quarterly so you won't see it. The procurement is, is it, is there a monthly limit or is it a total yearly limit	01:29:07
	of it's an annual limit, it's an annual limit or actually it's a contract limit?	01:29:13
	Contract. So as long as the contracts for less than the threshold, they're good, but these obviously are annual.	01:29:19
	And under an old business too, we're planning on having a ground breaking for.	01:29:27
	Project over there by the hospital, but we're going to try and do it after the legislative session.	01:29:34
	OK, Mr. Mayor invited the governor. I am.	01:29:40
	That's why.	01:29:45
	Good, good. Mr. Mayor. Old business. Yes, Sir. Any progress on the food truck ordinance stuff that we dealt with?	01:29:48
	Haven't really, it's been kind of a, it'll be simple. Yeah, right. No, just curious just I think what we're trying to figure out	01:29:57
	and I think somebody, I don't know if Chris mentioned it or somebody mentioned it, we already have an ordinance and whether we	01:30:04
	want to do a new ordinance or just amend the existing ordinance.	01:30:10
	I think that was a big question. And Mister man, I've been out for a couple weeks with the holidays and some personal stuff, so	01:30:18
	I've I've got my To Do List in my notes.	01:30:22
	OK, no problem. We don't care. I know it's my second meeting. I've missed in almost eight years. OK, all right. But we will. And	01:30:28
	then if are you going to go to Aztec?	01:30:33
	I am, yeah. I reached out. Denver. I called him, left a message for him.	01:30:39
	Not yet. Make sure you get ahold of Mr. Louise.	01:30:46
	And see if you'll be available this weekend for our counsel.	01:30:48
	All right.	01:31:01
	Job.	01:31:02
	What's that executive session? No executive session, I take it? No, I don't know. We just had one.	01:31:04
	Okay.	01:31:11
	See something? Am I sweating or is it hot in here?	01:31:15
	Donald.	01:31:21
	Daniel Monette, there's a job description you wanted.	01:31:24
	Well, actually Lawrence had one, but if they're under the range, so I pulled it off.	01:31:27
	Well, OK. And you know, Speaking of Speaking of the chief.	01:31:33
	Just that he had somebody with COVID. I'm going to extend the COVID vacation policy.	01:31:39
	Work for people that are getting COVID that they would stay home at least five days.	01:31:43
	So we.	01:31:49
	Personnel changes. We got a bunch of destinators promoted to captain. Jedi Angel. Fire to Lieutenant Matthew Holloway. Motion to	01:31:53
	Lieutenant Humberto Lucero's salary adjustment from fire to the captain. Daniel Pacheco, Fire captain.	01:32:01
	Thomas Padilla, fire recruit.	01:32:09
	And gave social fire Lieutenant. Then we.	01:32:11
	Lando Montoya groundskeeper Neil hire Fabian Gas new Hire Simon Ramirez, police station police officer.	01:32:16
	Certification.	01:32:26
	Make a motion to approve the personnel change list as presented.	01:32:29
	One favorite? Aye. Then we have Forgive Me Not Veterans Center, 705 D.	01:32:34
	Looks and Scott, Veteran Services, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Business Registrations as presented.	01:32:40
	All in favor, aye, opposed.	01:32:49
	Thank you everybody. Thank you for being here, directors.	01:32:52
	That's the way to show the coop that we've got directors.	01:32:56
	February 6th. Next meeting.	01:33:01
	Thank you everybody. February 6th.	01:33:06
	It's not a holiday or something single.	01:33:09

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	Resolution No. 24-01-16 - CDBG Federal Requirements	General Document
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	Budget Resolution No. 19 - Rodeo Complex	General Document
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	Mayor Basker, Councillor Travis.	00:00:00
	Councillor Dean, Councillor Fleming, Councillor Ocampo Councillor.	00:00:05
	Councillor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here Answer Salome here, we have a quorum.	00:00:13
	All right for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:00:19
	Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and	00:00:25
	justice for all.	00:00:31
	I did. I did the roll call for you.	00:00:43
	Mr.	00:00:46
	No, no, no time will we approve the consent agenda.	00:00:48
	It's not good under discussion. I just want to let you know.	00:00:52
	This Rodeo Complex and the Rodeo complex Grant Ruby you want to Is that the $900,000 grant?	00:00:57
	So just to let you know that we did get 900.	00:01:05
	23,123 thousand 923,000 for the rodeo complex.	00:01:09
	Successful quality of life. Yes, the quality of life. Grant, it's a bar #20.	00:01:15
	And we just.	00:01:20
	Let a $600,000 contract to do the site covers.	00:01:22
	So that's already rolling and whatever money we have left.	00:01:28
	We look for the gas heaters.	00:01:32
	And possibly.	00:01:34
	The sound system.	00:01:36
	Although we did ask for the sound system from the legisl.	00:01:41
	Thank you. I didn't know the exact number.	00:01:45
	But, but, but we did get that money. Any other discussion on this?	00:01:47
	Mr. Yes, What?	00:01:52
	They basically what's happening to the old sound?	00:01:56
	You know, you know, we went to milling stadium.	00:02:01
	When we started this whole thing, must have been seven years ago or 8-9 years ago we went to Mooney Stadium.	00:02:06
	And the God showed us a sound system at.	00:02:13
	And we said oh.	00:02:16
	Turns out inside the Rodeo arena.	00:02:18
	It's not so great and you know from wrestling and and from rodeo, it's terrible.	00:02:21
	And we spent a pretty good money with it. It's up in the crows.	00:02:26
	But it's it's just terrible. I just know that then they hardwired every wire so.	00:02:30
	If I could change anything out if something goes down.	00:02:38
	Mr. Parker, are they retractable here? The sites, are they? No, we couldn't get the retractable ones. It'll be just these are	00:02:43
	going to be like pro panel and solid, OK? Especially where that blue is.	00:02:48
	Right. And then it'll come down to the building on.	00:02:54
	Building side and on the rodeo side on the chutes will come down 2/3 of the way.	00:02:57
	And then on the.	00:03:03
	He'll come down all the way.	00:03:05
	And then we also, like I said, we're also going to talk about the gas heaters.	00:03:07
	So we'll have, I think we'll have pretty good money to do that and the whole idea is to have events in the winter.	00:03:12
	And also in the in the windy season in March and April, when the when the Windsors is terrible and the retractable we couldn't get	00:03:19
	because they were more expensive or they were more expensive and they were.	00:03:25
	They're just too flimsy.	00:03:32
	You know, it's just, you know, they're rolling down, they've just and there was a chance, you know that.	00:03:34
	The mechanisms would.	00:03:40
	Be a.	00:03:42
	But this will be a big it will be a big change, big change. And Mr. Mayor, the state has kind of tied our hands. We didn't get	00:03:44
	notice of this till the end of December or the end of November, and we have to have the money spent by June 30th. And I asked for	00:03:51
	clarification from the state if it only has to be encumbered or if the money has to be spent. And I have not heard back.	00:03:57
	At least we'll spend what we can as quick as.	00:04:06
	OK. That was just a feeling. All in favor?	00:04:10
	We're down to the public forum. Anybody that is not on the agenda would like to make a comment from public forum. Yes Sir.	00:04:14
	Tell us who you are and what's your.	00:04:21
	Yes, Sir.	00:04:26
	Oh, it's been my.	00:04:30
	Thank you for letting me speak here tonight.	00:04:39
	I've just recently returned as a choral.	00:04:44
	You know, last July or August.	00:04:48
	And could you tell us your name, please? Oh, my name is John Walker. I live on 505 Fish here in.	00:04:51
	OK.	00:04:59
	Sorry.	00:05:02
	I've noticed I like to ride my bike all around town.	00:05:04
	And one of the things I've noticed since returning here is that big empty Smiths building and.	00:05:08
	All the time I've been here, I think. How can we make something into this? And item number one was?	00:05:18
	Build an emergency shelter for overflow of citizens, not just from Socorro, but there's a big fire disaster in one of our	00:05:25
	neighboring states or even down in Chihuahua, Mexico, you know?	00:05:32
	There, there could be some eliminated capacity made.	00:05:40
	To.	00:05:45
	Another plan I had was an EMS First Responder Supplement, supplemental training and.	00:05:47
	Equipment storage.	00:05:55
	So that items such As for this first one could be.	00:05:57
	Stashed away.	00:06:06
	In stock thing is owned by another company and.	00:06:09
	Have you? It's owned by a marijuana company.	00:06:14
	OK. Do you know the ownership but?	00:06:18
	The people who maintain it, yeah, So we have contacted them about keeping it up and they had windows broken, glass broken, and	00:06:25
	they put plywood up, but they won't tell us what their future is with that. So it's it's, it is owned by someone.	00:06:34
	Alright, I leave here, please.	00:06:43
	I had a few other points. Of course. I'm sorry. Yeah, of course. I just wanted to. I just wanted to attend to each one as you will	00:06:45
	in the defense are chief. In the last issue we they were talking about juvenile criminal issues.	00:06:52
	And uh.	00:07:00
	A facility such as this.	00:07:02
	And be retrofitted.	00:07:04
	Set up.	00:07:08
	Shelter for more vulnerable residents that are subject to.	00:07:10
	Bullying or *** harassment or?	00:07:16
	They could easily fall back and you know the rate of.	00:07:19
	Recidivism, you know, juvenile facilities. Excellent idea.	00:07:25
	Workstations for education, a basketball and volleyball court. You know, physical activity, you know even a little. A boxing and	00:07:35
	and yoga training center, where where where people would be.	00:07:42
	Taught in.	00:07:50
	These.	00:07:54
	You know, under supervision.	00:07:54
	And so on and so forth. You know, computers, books.	00:07:57
	Another lastly, adult criminal criminal issues.	00:08:01
	Or perhaps some adults that are on the way out of the criminal justice system.	00:08:07
	Or even low risk.	00:08:14
	Your minimum security.	00:08:19
	Could be transitioned through there to help them get back into society.	00:08:23
	111 thing that it kind of affects me a little bit is that.	00:08:29
	When I lived in Elko County, Nevada, for example.	00:08:37
	Near at the Wells Minimum Security Facility in Elko County.	00:08:43
	They had a Nevada Division of Forestry as well as the US Forest Service had a training program to train a wildland firefighters.	00:08:50
	And some of them were able.	00:09:02
	Later, after they finished their thing here.	00:09:06
	Well, even And then I recall more personally when when my wife or my ex-wife now and and I, we lived in Douglas, Texas, we had a	00:09:10
	small livestock operation.	00:09:15
	But during the years of 2011, 2012, we had a really disastrous drought with record-breaking temperatures, something like over over	00:09:21
	80 days straight. You know, we're.	00:09:29
	And then there was, of course, lightning caused F.	00:09:37
	And we had we had a big 10,000 acre.	00:09:41
	Fire in the Angelina base.	00:09:46
	That came within about a mile of our place and and the Texas Department of Public Safety was able to.	00:09:48
	Issue us a red flag notice to get out of there and we evacuated.	00:09:57
	In a controlled fashion with our trailer and we're able to move all our livestock.	00:10:02
	Onto the Nacogdoches County Fairgrounds and and the people that helped set that up, or inmates from the left in jail in Angelina	00:10:09
	County, so.	00:10:16
	This is where inmates.	00:10:24
	Be used for community service?	00:10:26
	A lot of great ideas.	00:10:30
	Can we send a letter to the people who own the building and ask them what they're planning to do with the building and maybe make	00:10:33
	some of these suggestions that they might be able to incorporate? But I but I have to tell you that the copper, the electrical,	00:10:38
	everything's been stripped out of there by vandals.	00:10:43
	But, but I like your ideas. I just. I'm not sure that I can do anything because we don't own the building, OK? Because one one	00:10:49
	final thing I had in mind was.	00:10:53
	For the last 20 years.	00:11:00
	I've been inventing stuff.	00:11:04
	And one of my inventions.	00:11:06
	Solar.	00:11:10
	Using concentrated solar power to desalinate electricity and also.	00:11:12
	To desalinate seawater and and generate electricity using the seawater as the working media.	00:11:21
	But anyway, the solar science that I use in my invention which is in the US patent.	00:11:29
	It's, it's been issued.	00:11:37
	US patent back in 2021.	00:11:39
	That's a that's a yeah, deserialization is a big issue in New Mexico. I know the brackish water and I think the governor, show us	00:11:42
	some of your, if you could give me a little background. Absolutely.	00:11:48
	Or and because finally what I googled the map but over Smith and I was able to figure out the area.	00:11:54
	And it came out to be just almost 1/2 an acre of rooftops space.	00:12:04
	But you're.	00:12:12
	Some quick quick calculations from my formulas I had for my other research.	00:12:15
	And and estimating for.	00:12:23
	Winter power generation.	00:12:25
	Well, you're you're, you're, you're. So your solar insulation comes out to about 500 watts per square meter.	00:12:28
	But I separated the array.	00:12:41
	So there's no mutual blocking, no mutual shading by the course, and I've got 10 arrays that's up there.	00:12:44
	Have a potential 300.	00:12:55
	Almost 302 kilowatts. OK, why don't you give us your contact and maybe we can meet sometime in the office? Oh absolutely. And then	00:12:57
	of course, in in the summertime.	00:13:03
	Well, you're because you're.	00:13:08
	Your insulation's higher with a higher.	00:13:12
	Right. And the longer days, I got 505 kilowatts, that's a lot of power.	00:13:14
	Sitting on an empty roof up there.	00:13:21
	And I've got 3 copies of this, you know, plus whatever I got at home.	00:13:28
	If anybody else wants the two other copies, I'd be glad.	00:13:36
	To take some home with them.	00:13:42
	I don't know.	00:13:45
	Gentlemen, you can have a seat.	00:13:52
	You kind of look a little honoree over there.	00:13:54
	Under is the word I.	00:13:58
	Andre, I did.	00:14:00
	Anyone else that's not on the agenda would like to make the comment.	00:14:06
	That is on the agenda, Sir, and I'll let you talk one day when we get to that agenda point. I'm over here.	00:14:23
	Oh, I'm sorry, but why don't we let you talk when the that is on the agenda?	00:14:31
	That's the next thing on the agenda, actually. OK. So we'll bring you up when you have something to say about that, because I want	00:14:37
	to let the court, they're here, let them speak first and then we'll have anyone else who wants to make a comment. Thank you for	00:14:42
	coming.	00:14:46
	Anyone else?	00:14:53
	Very good.	00:14:57
	We shall then go on super electric coop. It has to be on the agenda as franchise agreement discussion. Gentlemen, I'm not sure	00:14:59
	who's going to make the presentation, but I'd be happy to have you.	00:15:03
	****. Good evening, Reverend Bhasker.	00:15:09
	Mayor City.	00:15:14
	My name is Leroy.	00:15:16
	I'm the chairman of SCORE Electric Cooperative Cooperative Cooperative.	00:15:18
	Here with Joseph Herrera and is the CEO Manager.	00:15:21
	And Director of Communications and Public Affairs Chair Williams.	00:15:26
	We need to follow up.	00:15:31
	The proposal for a franchise agreement that we brought to.	00:15:34
	A serious so.	00:15:39
	In July 5th, 2023.	00:15:42
	Counselor.	00:15:47
	Said that she had no problem extending the franchise agreement because.	00:15:49
	The residential.	00:15:54
	Was it would not be ready by May 2024.	00:15:56
	Councillor Romero said he'd be OK with extending the franchise agreement you have to see these days.	00:16:01
	Of course.	00:16:08
	Councillor Chavez Lopez AG.	00:16:11
	And ask that we keep communication with the city.	00:16:13
	And the court.	00:16:17
	Could keep everything going.	00:16:19
	An agreed upon franchise agreement would protect all.	00:16:22
	And keep them.	00:16:26
	This recommend Joseph.	00:16:29
	Council members, thank you for pronouncing the agenda.	00:16:34
	And you know, COPE the Corps to get Corporate Citizen of the city's decorum service area.	00:16:38
	Where an employer we have concern for the.	00:16:45
	You know, terminating the Collapse franchise agreement will hurt the members inside the city and outside the city.	00:16:49
	We're here to ask, you know, to follow up on that July 5th meeting of reasonably extending the franchise agreement.	00:16:56
	That does not involve requiring the City of Socorro to give up or sell its facilities to the city.	00:17:04
	And it will. This is an attempt to avoid an expensive endeavor and to keep everyone whole so we can do good for the community and	00:17:12
	not create unnecessary expenses.	00:17:19
	If the city does not agree to the franchise will.	00:17:26
	Attempt to penalize the coop, which then penalizes its members.	00:17:30
	And what are the goals of terminating the franchise agreement if the city is not prepared in the near future to serve?	00:17:35
	The commercial, especially the residential members.	00:17:44
	The damage of terminating and finding the core? That's just going to hurt.	00:17:48
	All members electric customers of the Co.	00:17:54
	And we just want to work with the city, continued dialogue and follow up on the communication that we had in July.	00:17:58
	Yeah, it won't hurt the.	00:18:06
	Because the city has plans and we.	00:18:08
	As Council Member Romero.	00:18:11
	Don't mind extending the franchise as long as.	00:18:15
	Continue with your endeavor to create a city utility for for the S Corridor.	00:18:18
	And we just want to follow up on that because that is what.	00:18:25
	Here today.	00:18:30
	Mr. Earl.	00:18:33
	I've never made any.	00:18:34
	Statement for that back to anybody.	00:18:36
	I don't know, but anyway, I don't agree with what they're saying. So there's a scoring by the July 5th meeting.	00:18:43
	What's the Mr. header you made a comment about the.	00:18:49
	Subsequent.	00:18:56
	Once the franchise is terminated, as the judge had ordered.	00:18:57
	And in May 24th, because you guys brought it up that you wanted it adjudicated as.	00:19:03
	When the franchise agreement was going to be terminated, what is your comment about what happened subsequent to that as far as the	00:19:09
	coop is?	00:19:13
	Well, the reason we went there was because we received notice of trespass from the city of Socorro. So that's why that's not my	00:19:19
	question. My question is what are you making a comment? Are you saying that the club is going to then quit providing electricity	00:19:24
	after the termination of the contract?	00:19:29
	No, no. What I'm saying is the answer is you'll continue providing electricity to your footprint.	00:19:35
	After the finish.	00:19:42
	Franchise agree.	00:19:45
	In May of 2024, yes, we're going to continue to provide service, OK. So that that thread is not real that you're going to, there's	00:19:46
	something disastrous going to happen after the franchise agreement is finished.	00:19:52
	So then can you tell us what will happen? Right. I'm going to get to that, but I'm trying to just respond to what you just comment	00:19:58
	you made that it could be something that could happen to.	00:20:03
	Residents and to the area when the franchise agreement is terminated and I've got documents.	00:20:08
	Saying that the coop is the one who brought it up and I think the Council has those documents.	00:20:14
	I don't know we can put them up there, but the council has those documents at the Co-op initiated.	00:20:19
	The Court The Court Dec.	00:20:25
	Asking to firm up when that franchise agreement was going to be over, then the judge made an order stating that the franchise	00:20:29
	agreement and there it is right there it.	00:20:34
	In exchange for dismissal of the 1st and 2nd claims for relief with prejudice, the 1999 Franchise Agreement will remain in full	00:20:40
	force and effective through May 17th, 2024. SEC may continue and so forth. This was brought by you, not the city.	00:20:50
	The court.	00:21:00
	And that was in response to the city's letter of notice of trespass that we had been trespassed.	00:21:03
	On March 18th of 2018, we received notice from the city that we're going to be in trespassive and March of 2018 as of January 1st	00:21:08
	of 2020. That's why we have to go to the court. And so you brought that action. So that caused the reaction, but I just want to	00:21:14
	establish.	00:21:20
	That the court has already given.	00:21:27
	Ruling that this franchise agreement will terminate May 17, 2024.	00:21:31
	That agreement.	00:21:37
	Then either can be amended or terminated or it can go month to month depending on some of the information we'll get from our	00:21:39
	consultants as to how we're going to proceed and what it's going to cost.	00:21:45
	Well, Mr. Mayor, I just want, because I don't just to clarify, I think what you're saying, right, is that.	00:21:52
	Because the coop, and possibly the community doesn't know what the city has in mind, that in the event that the franchise	00:21:59
	agreement terminates, that people just want to know that there's that there is in fact a plan, not that everything is going to be	00:22:04
	shut off.	00:22:09
	And there isn't going to be a disaster is that is that is that clarifying that more what you're saying. Well what we're saying is	00:22:15
	that you know when the city tried to prematurely terminate the franchise agreement, there was unknowns. We're trying to get these	00:22:22
	unknowns out ahead of time. Before May of of 2024 for the the ruling that ruling was when.	00:22:29
	Wasn't this year that ruling has been?	00:22:37
	At least a year, 2022. Yeah, two years, right?	00:22:40
	So the comment that Mister Legan just made, I don't know if you're at the meeting last week, but we have already got an	00:22:45
	engineering preliminary engineering plan for a substation. We're getting a cost arrangement in that preliminary engineering plant.	00:22:51
	There's also an expansion for the rest of the city.	00:22:56
	And we're just waiting to see what the cost will be. And your public information officer is always making fun of me being America	00:23:03
	compared to a dog. Being a mayor better than myself doesn't add anything to this conversation.	00:23:10
	Mr. William, take a look at your Facebook page right there. You know and you know, but it's on record.	00:23:18
	Yeah, it's not record, Mr. Williams, but by.	00:23:26
	You know the bottom line.	00:23:29
	We're moving ahead. We're looking at.	00:23:32
	We're also going to ask you some questions. I've given the the council your income tax return from 2020.	00:23:35
	You've got $42 million or so of.	00:23:41
	I'm going to ask you from 1988 how much it was that spent in the city of.	00:23:44
	I'm going to ask you about your.	00:23:49
	About your credits that you've.	00:23:51
	The tri-state at about 10:50.	00:23:54
	And I'm going to see if you terminate with tri-state what's going to happen with.	00:23:58
	And I know on the 16th you're going to.	00:24:02
	Guzman and tri-state and your CEO and I'm hopefully I'm going to be invited on the 16th.	00:24:05
	So we're moving ahead with a lot of this. Mr. Hanetta, I don't know if this is annoying to you, but Mr. Height is been our	00:24:10
	consultant and he's confirmed that you will probably have a meeting and I've asked him if he would invite me. So we're moving	00:24:15
	ahead.	00:24:19
	With a lot of the stuff that you view and your public information officer threatening the city.	00:24:24
	And I think that we're and and kind of along the lines around confirm as well too is I I I just wanted to see I think I can	00:24:31
	remember if it was a.	00:24:35
	Where it was, but I would, and I remember I had requested that. I just want to see what a good.	00:24:40
	Solid franchise agreement would look like that our consult that our attorneys then miss winners that said that she has been that	00:24:46
	she's established and she has built for other communities.	00:24:52
	And I think that that's what I personally, I can't speak for the other counselors would like to see of what a good solid.	00:24:58
	Franchise agreement would look like not the one that they presented to us because I agree that that is not a good franchise	00:25:04
	agreement.	00:25:08
	But what a good, solid franchise. That's what. I don't know. That's that's what I would been. I had requested in the past. I will	00:25:11
	ask them to bring that.	00:25:15
	Personally, as a matter, I'm not interested in making this franchise agreement permanent.	00:25:20
	It may need to be extended, I agree with you, maybe a year, maybe five years, it may be need to be extended. It can't be for 25	00:25:25
	years and and it'll have to have certain things such as explaining to us.	00:25:31
	How much money actually has been spent in the city of Socorro for the million for debt service that you pay every year and make us	00:25:36
	pay? All that information needs to be gathered and we'll put that with what councillor is asking for. We'll put that to you and	00:25:42
	bring that to you and and I would like to see.	00:25:47
	What I would like to say personally is the coop.	00:25:53
	Getting away from tri-state who, who?	00:25:56
	I would never. The CEO is going to be here, too. Get away from them. Go to Guzman. Like half a dozen people in southern Colorado	00:25:59
	and Aztec, Bloomfield. Rat.	00:26:05
	All getting their stuff from Guzman. I'm very happy with it and would say everybody money and I would hope you get your capital	00:26:10
	credits back over 20 years so you can pay for some of that buy out. But those are the things we can talk about. The City Council	00:26:16
	meeting isn't the place to do it. Facebook, Mr. Williams is not the place to do it. And and you know, I think the important thing	00:26:22
	is to continue the conversation. I think I'm glad you're here.	00:26:28
	Well, Mr. Mayor, what we're here to talk about is Los Angeles. You would have a franchise and and here we are seven months later.	00:26:34
	The franchise agreement that was not accepting that was the starting point that was something my starting point was seven years	00:26:44
	ago when I gave seven things that I needed to have you do and you never. I think that we were making good progress on this right	00:26:49
	now. I think you guys are. I think it's good that he's agreed that. I mean I think that you guys.	00:26:54
	My personal opinion, again, I think you guys have said enough in a way that I think he's agreeable to what he said that if we can	00:27:00
	get us a franchise agreement, what would it look like? If there is a possible extension, there would be an extension. But I think	00:27:06
	that speaking, I mean what's what's done on Facebook in my opinion is on call for as well too.	00:27:13
	Mr.	00:27:20
	OK, we're trying to work in unison here. We're trying to make things happen. Me personally too. And.	00:27:21
	OK, well, it doesn't matter. That's doesn't. It doesn't matter. It does not matter.	00:27:29
	Regardless, we're trying to make good progress here. That's all I have to say, Mr. Parkers.	00:27:34
	Just to clarify the franchise agreement, you know when I met with you guys that's to provide access for.	00:27:40
	The support electric Co-op to go into city premises to repair poles fix poles that.	00:27:47
	That's a piece of it, right. And that's and the benefit of that is just so that we can keep things going without.	00:27:54
	The Co-op didn't go to the city. Nashville commissioner going.	00:28:02
	Their property all the time. Does that sound accurate?	00:28:05
	Real estate payment in lieu of taxes. What they're using is our real estate to put their poles on, to generate revenue, even	00:28:13
	though they're nonprofit.	00:28:17
	That franchise agreement is 2%. It's about $120,000 a year.	00:28:23
	More or less so. So they don't.	00:28:27
	They don't pay that just for access, but they pay that initially 1956.	00:28:31
	When the city gave them the franchise to provide elect.	00:28:38
	In the city of.	00:28:41
	Access to public property, but also to place their poles on there.	00:28:43
	Mr.	00:28:51
	Salami.	00:28:53
	Mr. Mayor, you know, as you said in 1956, the the municipal incorporated municipality has the statutory authority and the	00:28:55
	responsibility to provide utilities to their constituents. OK, so in 1956, City Council and the mayor decided to.	00:29:06
	Let the Co-op perform that duty for the city, right? So it's still the cities responsibility to provide utility services to our	00:29:17
	community to the incorporated municipality.	00:29:23
	You've done that?	00:29:30
	And as things have transpired over time, we don't think that as as a as a council and as a mayor and as an administration, we	00:29:32
	don't think that the Co-op has provided the service at the quality and at the price.	00:29:40
	That we.	00:29:49
	Is deserving of our community.	00:29:51
	OK.	00:29:54
	I'm not saying Mr. Adeta, it's not Mr. It is fault what Marianne came up with right before Covad. We wanted to make a have a	00:29:56
	system where we would discuss and have discussions with other.	00:30:02
	Agencies, for example, the Board of trustees, right? Mr. Edna answers to the Board of Trustees, The Superintendent asks. Answers	00:30:10
	to the school board.	00:30:15
	The county committee, the county manager answers to the county Commission. The the City of Sequoia Mayor answers to the community	00:30:20
	of Socorro.	00:30:25
	You know, like one of the superintendents that I workforce had real.	00:30:30
	With, with quality and with with gusto, he said. You know what it takes to be the Superintendent of schools, 3 votes.	00:30:36
	So we're not saying that Mister is the face of these problems, of the issues. You know what we look at the broader picture. You	00:30:43
	know, things have transpired and commercial rates have gone high. It hasn't. It has deterred businesses from coming into the coral	00:30:50
	to grow and to allow.	00:30:57
	Growth places for our our youth to work things of that nature and it's been stifled. You know why? Because they can go down to Los	00:31:06
	Lunas and pay 5% a kWh.	00:31:12
	Why would they come here that their businesses and places that provide manufacturing, you know our service industries they can	00:31:18
	provide that they can, they can pay the electricity bill because they can pass it on to the to the customer, very simple, but a	00:31:26
	manufacturing something that has strong potential to grow the community.	00:31:33
	They will come here. It's just too expensive. So we initially and 13 years ago, I believe, I wasn't on the council at the time,	00:31:41
	wanted to have a discussion how can we work with the coop to bring down those rates, encourage commercial and and industrial	00:31:48
	businesses to come to our industrial park which is built by the city of the Coral. Well, how can we do that? And there was,	00:31:55
	there's been a long term of silence and a long term of disgruntled.	00:32:02
	People were getting disgruntled and personalities were conflicting with each other, so I think that.	00:32:10
	You know, Mr. Herrera is the manager, that he's not the face of this issue. You know what Mr. Adeta is? Is is doing what he thinks	00:32:19
	is right for the Co-op. But there's board of trustees that have to say, hey, hey, hey, hold on here, guys. Hold on here. Mr.	00:32:26
	Edetta, we need to work with our community just like the school board. Hey, hey, Superintendent. Hold on there.	00:32:33
	You answer to the board of trustees, but the mayor here answers to the whole community and I think that's where we're at. I	00:32:41
	underline that you've been given that job. I'm not. I think you were saddled with a contract. Not. Paula was manager at one time.	00:32:47
	You know, so I'm. I'm not saying this is a personal thing at all. No, I don't take it personal. And I I would, Councilman Salami	00:32:52
	said.	00:32:58
	We serve communities. We serve San Ocasio Magdalena de Camaro.	00:33:04
	And so we serve these communities because no one else wanted to.	00:33:10
	The mayor said that you're going to have your costs, you're going to get your cost, you're going to know what it's going to cost	00:33:14
	to serve.	00:33:18
	And you're going to have to establish a.	00:33:22
	To capture all those costs and repay those costs. All, we're asking while you do those things and come up with your cards, because	00:33:24
	you'll probably come to the same conclusion.	00:33:29
	Your cards will probably have to be what our costs are probably higher because it's all new stuff, is to give us a franchise so we	00:33:35
	can continue to serve in the City of Scotland and those lines extend outside the city of Socorro to all these other communities.	00:33:41
	And that's what I was saying. There's going to impact other communities other than the not only the city of Socorro but also those	00:33:47
	communities outside the city. So. So tell me Mr. Hannah, you told me once.	00:33:54
	That the cost of energy to you was 2/3 of our bill.	00:34:01
	And the cost of energy that you from tri-state?	00:34:06
	That doesn't include the Wheeling, but just the try cost.	00:34:10
	The market right now is about 20% less. So how can you say that we're going to come to the same conclusion you are, but you're	00:34:13
	charging when we can buy the electricity cheaper?	00:34:19
	You're buying it at some distant place in Colorado, Arizona. You got to bring that power into Sokoto. You got to make that power.	00:34:26
	You got to get that power to the meter. The grid isn't just not Colorado, Arizona. The grid is just constant. Well, you guys have	00:34:31
	generational resources and there's nothing.	00:34:36
	But where is it getting it from? Where are they getting it from?	00:34:42
	Do you want to tell me all the engineering? I'm just giving you just a question if if the cost of energy?	00:34:49
	2/3 and I can get it for 20% cheaper. How can you even make that statement, which is kind of a, you know, the postcards you guys	00:34:56
	sent out four and a half million dollars. The American put it from mental health. That four and a half million, if you don't sell	00:35:02
	us your stuff, which you can take off, your debt service is going to be paid by the users. And it's going to be selfless stuff	00:35:09
	too. It's in the bylaws, it's in state statute. We cannot sell the stuff to you.	00:35:16
	The members, the members have to vote to sell that.	00:35:23
	I'm just going to tell you that this is a process. We've come to this.	00:35:28
	You came here for the franchise agreement, yes, for extending it. I know some of these people here from outside the city.	00:35:34
	There may suffer, but eventually if you let us have the whole footprint.	00:35:41
	Or if you buy electricity cheaper, I think we can come to terms and let you have the franchise agreement for another 25 years.	00:35:46
	But you've got to use that window that tri-state gave you, which you never used.	00:35:52
	That was used by Kit Carson and they paid off tri-state buyout and their rates are much cheaper and.	00:35:57
	They're also.	00:36:05
	And I'm not going to see any of your paperwork. That is all false, but you know.	00:36:07
	I can tell you Aztec.	00:36:12
	We're getting off the base of what the franchise?	00:36:15
	Is. I think it should be.	00:36:18
	I mean, what people are going to pay for the next 10 years?	00:36:22
	And I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to show it to the public. Yeah, well, show it to the public.	00:36:27
	When what? When? When we have you been to our meeting, then we watch your meeting.	00:36:33
	In middle of February, we'll have the answer you'll have for the established rates, but not the residents. The residents. That's	00:36:40
	who we're the residents.	00:36:45
	I want a lot of things to explain just from your income tax.	00:37:23
	You're making a million six. You've got no nonprofit, got nine. Well, you you give that money to the residents, you've got 9	00:37:28
	minutes cash reserves. You know don't tell me that you guys are. And then you go to the Supreme Court and your lawyer says we're	00:37:33
	going to have to borrow $14 million just to keep afloat. We have borrowed $14 million for the city of Socorro. Well, for the	00:37:39
	operations of the Cora, but.	00:37:45
	Having borrowed money, again, you're getting off what we're talking about, the franchise. You'll find out what those expenses are,	00:37:53
	as if we can just get a franchise.	00:37:57
	Like that public, I agree, Mr. Mann. And then you'll note the electric there's four things. The cost of electricity, operating and	00:38:01
	maintenance, the Wheeling and the debt service. Those four things will add up to 11 and a half cents, not 17.	00:38:08
	Our electric rates for residential are not 17, they're $0.15 all in. That's a hedge. That's really a hedge. The, you know, the	00:38:17
	effective, the effective energy cost we got into the gas rates. We could say the gas rates in the city of the corner, the highest	00:38:23
	rates in the state subsidized the gas rates last year for $1,000,000. When have you ever subsidized the electric weights to the	00:38:29
	poor people and where does subsidy come from? What? What do the subsidies come from? Federal government. Someone has to pay for	00:38:34
	it, right?	00:38:40
	And so the federal government. Who is the federal government? The citizens.	00:38:47
	Want to get on the franchise?	00:38:55
	I know most of the council didn't sit in on the hearings that we sat in over the last five years or so.	00:39:01
	But the coops main agreement?	00:39:08
	That they were arguing in their legal case was that the franchise was for 25 years by state law.	00:39:12
	So we need to be careful that any extension might be construed to go back.	00:39:18
	OK, just a minute.	00:39:23
	Did you just say make a statement that you borrowed another $14 million?	00:39:31
	Since the city protested our our rate increase, yes. And so we haven't had a rate increase since 2011. We've been borrowing money.	00:39:38
	And that is on top of the $40 million that you borrowed before?	00:39:47
	That was on $32 million that we.	00:39:52
	So that comes out to be a total of how much?	00:39:56
	What about collapse and get $45,000,000 right now? What do you find millionaire and what is your payoff time on that? Debt? 3rd 30	00:40:00
	year terms but what?	00:40:06
	The franchise.	00:40:12
	How do we get to our debt and the franchise? Because I'm sure you have debt and you have the city operates with debt. I mean you	00:40:13
	you have to borrow money. We've been fortunate to be in these low interest environ.	00:40:19
	That we're borrowing at 3 percent, 4%.	00:40:25
	So our debt cost collector on your electric bill is the credit, so.	00:40:30
	It hasn't been impacting your rates.	00:40:37
	It's a misstatement. We do not borrow money for operating and maintenance.	00:40:40
	That's not, that's a misstatement. Well, to get from the federal government, we borrowed for capital improvements. We do not do it	00:40:44
	for operating and maintenance. But your lawyer?	00:40:48
	Mr. Again, I'm Mr. Mayor. Correct me if I'm wrong, though in the past, I think, before we redid this.	00:40:53
	Wasn't wasn't there a time we operated on a month to month on the franchise because we didn't have something? That's when we sent	00:40:59
	him the trespassing notice and that's so we do have that ability if we needed to.	00:41:05
	Penalize this month to month, are you?	00:41:12
	Charges the additional fees or we never have. I think it's if I'm not mistaken it continues the words whatever will you've been	00:41:17
	2%, we've never been able to audit your books on that 22 million that you generate.	00:41:23
	Let me look at your income tax again. You generate 22 million on $14 million worth of energy that you buy.	00:41:31
	We the revenue was $24 million.	00:41:38
	But our power cost is 14,000,000. You can do it right there. You can look at it, but.	00:41:43
	You're talking about our operating annual?	00:41:50
	What I'm saying is, let's go back to what he said. You're paying us 2%. We've never been able to audit on what money are you	00:41:54
	paying that 2% on because we've asked you and you've never been able to give us that information that will be in the new	00:41:59
	franchise.	00:42:04
	That I we can audit your books as to why on what's that 120,000 if you if you work it backwards.	00:42:09
	We give you a monthly statement showing how we derive at that 2% and how that 140,000. Anyway your comment is that it is we don't	00:42:17
	charge them extra for this next.	00:42:22
	And then I'll have to look into what Mr. Monet just said. I don't want us to be trapped into a 25 year when they give him a one	00:42:28
	year extension.	00:42:32
	What what we're you know we're just trying to follow up on the conversation that we had in July. We've been talking in circles you	00:42:38
	I think we can extend your franchise.	00:42:43
	But I can't tell you they're going to go for 25 years and that's how we're asking for. We're just asking to see what you would	00:42:50
	offer. Well that's the meetings you're going to have with. We haven't seen that yet. I'll talk to a lawyer then we'll get the	00:42:56
	we'll get the extension of how much is going to cost for the industrial leg that's that's what we're asking an agreement that the	00:43:01
	fire I'm trying to be as.	00:43:07
	Hoping about what we're doing as possible.	00:43:13
	You know and and your answer, your answer was franchise agreement. What are you guys going to do after May? We're not going to	00:43:17
	have it up and going. So absolutely we're going to have to give you some.	00:43:22
	Assurance for your finances as to what we can do as far as the French and but I have to get the input of the lawyer. I have to get	00:43:28
	input of the state legislature make sure that we're not doing something that will give.	00:43:34
	Something we try to get trapped into and then we'll give you the prices that we're going to have for the industrial leg.	00:43:41
	The residential link.	00:43:47
	Will also be similar, but the cost of poles and the hardware and and you taking them off and the cost of this here's substations	00:43:49
	coming up.	00:43:53
	This I-25 quarter, we're finally going to get the answer to how much it's going to cost us and what that we're going to incur and	00:43:59
	either you.	00:44:04
	Sell us your stuff or we put in new stuff. We will have the users pay for that debt service, just like you're making us pay the	00:44:09
	$44 million.	00:44:14
	From the debt service which is 1,000,004 on your income tax.	00:44:20
	A year.	00:44:24
	So do you have a time frame when you anticipate that middle of February we'll have the answer to that, that piece of the puzzle,	00:44:26
	but the franchise when you would have?	00:44:30
	But I would like to see what happens with this meeting that you haven't. You haven't divulged that you agreed to that meeting, but	00:44:39
	I understand you have this meeting.	00:44:44
	I'd love to have you there and City Council members there. I'm going to invite myself, but if you guys invite me, I'll be more	00:44:50
	than happy to. But I think we need to know what's going to happen at that meeting.	00:44:55
	Well, that meeting is going to be for information because they want to tell us where they're getting their power from and and what	00:45:01
	what they own and and yeah, so when we invited the CEO from tri-state.	00:45:06
	They they said, oh, we're gonna postpone that because we like our CEO there too. So we'll try and get some dates together because	00:45:12
	I understand they wanted everyone involved to be there, 'cause Denver, Denise come to Denver Hashtag, he's been with them for nine	00:45:19
	years and they're more than happy talk to talk to La Plata and talked to Montrose Delta. Well, we we also talked to some of their	00:45:26
	members and they're not happy because they're paying them pretty much the same rate which which which project Carson.	00:45:34
	There are persons unhappy with **** Carson's. Rates have been the same since 2016, and they're still the same today.	00:45:41
	At 14.5, well, they're the same rate from 2016 when they were still with tri-state. 14 1/2 Fourteen Points. They haven't changed	00:45:48
	the rate tariffs at the PRC, they still charge.	00:45:54
	Rate today that they were charging when they were trash.	00:46:01
	I'll get you that information at the next meeting so we can have Luis Reyes on the phones with you and then see, see if he agrees	00:46:04
	with what you're saying, right. All I'm just saying is that our tariff that we have for the PRC.	00:46:11
	But you don't.	00:46:20
	Pearson, you took their you took their case that they said you can't raise their rates just like P&M just got it from PRC. I	00:46:22
	wonder if.	00:46:26
	That what the Supreme Court said, well, we'll wait. We'll find out what I say. So you think PNM, because they're decreasing the	00:46:33
	rates because PRC said that they're going to take it to the Supreme Court?	00:46:39
	While they have the same opportunity, I don't know, I don't speak for.	00:46:45
	Our money with these lawyers, we're not wasting your money. We're you're causing us to waste money because why didn't you protest	00:46:51
	it? Why did you protest it? I guess we just go along with whatever you say.	00:46:56
	So is it fair to say that by March 1st?	00:47:05
	We should have an. I'll give you a number. OK.	00:47:09
	And we should have a franchise agreement by then.	00:47:13
	Well, yeah, Well.	00:47:16
	Example example example of.	00:47:20
	That, that as long as we don't get into something that Donald just said, if we extend it, that automatically says you do it for 25	00:47:22
	years. I'm not going to live that long.	00:47:27
	But if we could extend it year by year, that's I'm more than happy to do that. I don't have a problem. I think that's fine, Mr.	00:47:33
	Mayor.	00:47:37
	Mr. Mayor said that regarding Kate Carson. I think it's an important.	00:47:42
	Note that recognized that even if they saved money on their rates and charged their customers the same amount, their net income	00:47:47
	went up and invested that money in solar and broadband. They're 100% solar.	00:47:54
	I mean, OK, we got lots of people out here that might want to make a comment.	00:48:02
	We've got gentlemen from Yellowstone.	00:48:10
	Come on up. Come on, introduce yourself. You got to make.	00:48:13
	Make it, make it.	00:48:17
	Make it. Make it official.	00:48:20
	4th Day Smith I live in Santa.	00:48:23
	And from.	00:48:27
	You're creating a lot of apprehension.	00:48:30
	For us.	00:48:33
	We are there.	00:48:36
	The whole future. I never threatened to raise your race. They're the ones who know that. You just said it.	00:48:39
	Understanding what's happening here in this situation is creating apprehension.	00:48:44
	We don't know what's going to happen from year to year now and.	00:48:52
	You know, so everybody's got to come to the council meeting every year to find out what's going to happen.	00:48:58
	And tell me, what's the apprehension? What is the apprehension that you're feeling?	00:49:05
	As residential folks, you already said, if you take it over, that'll be step by step.	00:49:11
	So we're out there and you got the city taken care of, but what about us?	00:49:18
	They're still taking care of you. The coop is still taking care of you.	00:49:24
	And they will have less debt service because the amount of money that we can pay them to get their stuff off of our property will	00:49:28
	take away from the $42 million that they're paying a million and a half for debt service. So the the rule areas will stay with	00:49:34
	this coral.	00:49:40
	If that's up to them, we offer to take over the whole footprint.	00:49:47
	That's your apprehension of him saying.	00:49:54
	I think it's possible, he says it's not, so you need to convince him that it's possible.	00:49:56
	Do you change the? No, it's not state statues.	00:50:02
	The.	00:50:05
	Get on with it. You're actually, I agree with your apprehension.	00:50:12
	You know, he's making statements that the state statute states that the city is only allowed to have electricity 5 miles outside	00:50:15
	the city limits.	00:50:19
	Which state statue are you replying?	00:50:24
	State statute of municipal electric utilities and what they can serve, how far they can serve outside be a municipal electric	00:50:29
	utility. They will be a Socorro County Electric Utility.	00:50:35
	Compare a municipal utility.	00:50:44
	Yeah, that's one apprehension. I was looking to that. I'll look into that for you that we can't say that.	00:50:48
	No.	00:50:55
	People.	00:51:00
	They're concerned about. I understand you guys take over, you gotta pay for the power poles and why all of that? To get out and	00:51:05
	the rates are going to go higher than they already. I understand what you're saying and I understand the apprehension for people	00:51:11
	outside the city.	00:51:17
	We have offered to take over the footprint. Continental Divide comes down pretty close to their territory. There's lots of other	00:51:23
	co-ops that will serve you and serve you better with better rates. I'm not saying your rates would not go up. I don't have any	00:51:29
	idea that the only threat that you've heard is from them saying they're going to increase the rates that the city takes over. That	00:51:35
	is a threat that is not substantiated.	00:51:41
	You got an operating cost, you don't have the the industrial loan which you are more concerned about industrial versus the	00:51:49
	residential and you got to spread that cost to the other ratepayers who would be residential.	00:51:56
	Well, now that's your mathematics.	00:52:04
	What I'm saying?	00:52:07
	You can buy the energy cheaper.	00:52:08
	You can also implement solar like Kit Carson, which is very rural. Kit Carson is still a.	00:52:11
	It serves Taos Questa in that area, and Raton itself is a city Co.	00:52:17
	I mean a municipal electric Co-op and outside of that?	00:52:24
	Is served by a county court. So we can get you the rates that there's between Raton and what the county is getting paid. I can	00:52:29
	give you some of that information. So your apprehensions, it's all about how much it's going to cost you, right? That's what	00:52:33
	you're worried about.	00:52:38
	So the people in the city who I represent, it's the well, I'm here representing rule.	00:52:45
	I agree. I mean, I understand the apprehension. Let me get you some numbers though, over and above the coops, what they're making	00:52:53
	statements about because they said, you know, they sent out postcards that were like totally off the track as to what they were	00:53:00
	saying. The city was going to do four and a half million dollars, our gas rates are going up, blah, blah, blah.	00:53:06
	Totally different than what the coop is actually doing. We don't send out those kind of crazy postcards.	00:53:13
	You know that really make everybody agitated.	00:53:19
	And that's what they're doing. Well, no, they're based on facts that the four and a half million dollars that you say that I'm	00:53:22
	going to spend could be used for mental health and for for for children's and activities. Where are you going to get the format	00:53:27
	we're going on for what your rates are for natural gas, sewer and water? That's what we're showing the.	00:53:33
	Postcard for the what a substation cost but yours? I saw your proposed substation a little bigger than what we normally would do.	00:53:41
	Look, the city's taking care of the city.	00:53:52
	Citizens, what about the people outside? And you know, and we've already had this discussion that you know that you can't serve	00:53:54
	him Auto, Santa, Costia and beyond your your foot.	00:54:00
	Mr. Parker.	00:54:07
	I guess.	00:54:09
	My question would.	00:54:10
	So if we at the city left and it caused.	00:54:13
	I guess the outside of the city's rates to go up.	00:54:19
	Isn't there like the PRC regulate that then and it doesn't allow you just ejaculate rates up just that quick?	00:54:23
	You'd have to go to the PSP again, so there's still a.	00:54:31
	Yeah, if the city has a.	00:54:35
	You guys approve it and that's it. It's over with.	00:54:38
	Yeah. Thank you.	00:54:41
	No, but you're I think the big comment that you made is it hits home, you're apprehensive about how much the rates would go up in	00:54:44
	the county.	00:54:49
	If the city went.	00:54:54
	From the club. That's your big apprehension.	00:54:56
	I don't know how good your service is now after that big thing in a little. I mean, you know, they don't have redundancy on their	00:55:00
	substations.	00:55:05
	Substitution goes out, goes down for a.	00:55:10
	You know, but but I think the big question is what's it going to cost?	00:55:13
	When the city, the 35% and I think Mr. Williams made a comment that the city uses 10 megawatts which is I'm not sure if that's	00:55:18
	true, but if the 10 megawatts went away.	00:55:25
	From them buying it from Kit Carson, we want to see what the cost would be for the county and I will try to get that information.	00:55:31
	Mr. Partridge, last point you brought up.	00:55:41
	Gas and water and it's like apples and oranges, I.	00:55:45
	From what I understand about it, we should just be comparing what What I think the man is trying to do is compare what electricity	00:55:49
	rates are being purchased through other places. With electricity comparing, I just being honest and like the solar rate, there's	00:55:56
	no there's hardly a benefit in this town for how much? How much?	00:56:02
	The lack of benefit it is for.	00:56:10
	For anybody to be out there to actually put solar energy back in the grid, and I know I brought that up and we met and you said,	00:56:12
	well, there's some things with it that there could be damage to the lines if there was like a solar surge. That's exactly what you	00:56:16
	told me.	00:56:20
	And then from.	00:56:25
	I I I deal so much with people that are live out in the county. I love them to death. I love going out to their places. I've never	00:56:29
	seen this many recent years.	00:56:33
	So many of them going off.	00:56:37
	Because they couldn't afford the 10 poles. It was to get him whatever. And I get it. There's going to be a cost.	00:56:39
	But umm, it seems like that like the cost isn't like shared equally. Maybe. I don't know. I just.	00:56:45
	I just really feel like I guess my biggest question for you.	00:56:52
	Things like that, things like that that that somebody else are paying for like the the actual businesses in town that want to get	00:56:57
	solar and they get like penalized for it basically like they don't, I don't even know that you guys pay them for their.	00:57:03
	2.8 cents I mean.	00:57:11
	That was regardless, My point is, it's like.	00:57:16
	The the upgrades, we didn't talk about solar flares we talked about.	00:57:51
	Your your service may need to be upgraded and that requires a CID permit. I explained that whole process to you.	00:57:55
	I was talking about we offer financing for for a line extensions.	00:58:03
	So we we offer those type programs, but all those things when you're nonprofit, somebody has to pay for it, right? And who do you	00:58:10
	collect from your ratepayers? So you either put them in your rates.	00:58:15
	Are you or they? They pay their their skin in the game and you'll find out when your utility.	00:58:20
	That when people want to extend power, I would like you to bring that personally. You said with $7000 to right next to the	00:58:26
	powerful. I like to visit with them.	00:58:31
	But.	00:58:37
	The point I'm getting at?	00:58:38
	To be fair to everyone in.	00:58:40
	When we got our discussion, I kind of walked you through what those processes were for interconnecting for solar, what we pay.	00:58:44
	And and all those things because again we haven't had a rainy increase since 2011. So the way you do those things is fairly.	00:58:52
	Everyone paying their fair skin in the game and that's how we operate as a non profit. We talked about $24 million in revenue.	00:59:00
	That revenue has to cover our operational costs and our power costs and all those things.	00:59:09
	Anything that's left after that, there are a day that's getting back to the members and that's what's paid. You got a million four	00:59:14
	leftover.	00:59:18
	And and so those I didn't have it. We paid that back to the members. In fact, we're here today to give the city their patronage	00:59:22
	for 1998 of $26,000.	00:59:26
	We would not get into capital credits. And the other thing is there's not many sit very well with the county people. But you know,	00:59:32
	they sell gasoline in Albuquerque for $2.40, they're charging me $2.90. I'm not asking the people from Albuquerque to subsidize my	00:59:37
	gas.	00:59:42
	There's a cost in living outside the city, there's a cost in living outside of Albuquerque and I think you have to be realistic as	00:59:48
	to how that's going to cost going to be transferred again.	00:59:53
	Those that's the reality of living in the rural area. City pays $2.89 for gasoline.	00:59:58
	A gallon, they're paying two 39240 in Albuquerque, so you know, there's a lot of.	01:00:04
	Up and down with the cost of energy.	01:00:12
	And then all I'm saying to Mr. Herrera.	01:00:14
	He can buy energy 20% cheaper from Guzman.	01:00:17
	And tri-state.	01:00:21
	The biggest power company in Denver, United Power, has left tri-state.	01:00:24
	They buy a billion two of electricity in Denver from tri-state. tri-state is losing customers for a reason because there's cheaper	01:00:30
	electricity out there. The county can get it, the city can get it and we're going to bring you those numbers in mid February. The,	01:00:38
	the utility you mentioned has over 200,000 customers. We have 8000, so there's a little bit of that.	01:00:46
	I'm just saying United Power is looking out for their customers and they're going to get cheaper electricity. One person or	01:00:55
	200,000.	01:00:59
	That's what I'm saying. So here's your capital credits for $26,000. Thank you.	01:01:03
	That was a nice gift.	01:01:10
	I think that's what it's all about. You better get it before I go spend it. Give it to Ruby over there.	01:01:12
	But at the end of the day, there is your friend. There's a there's a cost for you to get that Elect.	01:01:19
	I think that was perfect, but first sets the Wheeling cost and I know they're sticking it to get cars and tri-state and that's.	01:01:26
	How to help you look at your public service We have another line. Public service company is not close but it's still we can use	01:01:36
	them for the Wheeling.	01:01:40
	And you'll have the Sun 0 project coming through here, too.	01:01:44
	They're they're not dropping any lines. I think we're we're, we're.	01:01:50
	Just I think we're talking about the same thing. Yeah, I think we're March 1st and and we'll we've accomplished Donald.	01:01:55
	We'll look into the extension of the franchise agreement.	01:02:04
	Will bring something in the middle of February for the cause.	01:02:08
	And will this cost me what the ratepayers are going to pay? Yeah, the industrial, just the industrial. Well, that's all I'm	01:02:13
	driving right now and we're going to look.	01:02:17
	Other counties and what they.	01:02:22
	That the city owns the municipal electricity like Raton, like Aztec.	01:02:25
	And.	01:02:31
	Tier C.	01:02:33
	As to what the county is paying and what the city is paying and we'll bring that to you as to what the cost is.	01:02:35
	Mr. Mayor, just one more question.	01:02:41
	If coops all work the same way all the way from tri-state down.	01:02:44
	And United leaves and isn't tri-state going to be forced to raise their rates just like he said, you want to raise their rates.	01:02:48
	It's going to happen. You're not going to tell me you're going to have your rates stable, not going to have any rate increases	01:02:52
	this year.	01:02:56
	What was?	01:03:01
	Are you going to race?	01:03:04
	Where is.	01:03:07
	No, tri-state.	01:03:08
	They raised the rates January.	01:03:12
	6.6%.	01:03:14
	And you didn't present that? Was that?	01:03:16
	The last time we got a rate increase from tri-state was 2017, but this 26% rate increase in Pasadena, pass it on, I said I said	01:03:19
	6.6%, did you pass it on?	01:03:24
	And that will that will pass on through to the membership.	01:03:30
	And and right now you see that as a as a credit on your electric bill. You know, I do not get the electric bill credit. All I get	01:03:34
	is what I'm going to pay. I divided the kilowatt hours by that and that's what I'm paying. I don't know the mumbo jumbo on that	01:03:39
	electric.	01:03:44
	Beyond me.	01:03:49
	Well, that's the same humble jumbo and Kit Carson's electric bill.	01:03:51
	Well then the simple things just take the kilowatts, take what you're paying out of your wallet, divide it out $0.17.	01:03:55
	But that won't be the same cost for for Mr. Fleming, where for.	01:04:03
	Divide that off for him.	01:04:08
	No.	01:04:13
	There's way more. I mean finally we got a chance to exchange information and talk. I mean that's great, but let's go to look	01:04:15
	forward to seeing anybody else that wants to make a comment.	01:04:20
	Come, yes, ma'am.	01:04:26
	So I had a question. My name is Nancy Bowling. I want to know how the city is going to guarantee that the service you're providing	01:04:31
	manpower wise is going to be better than the co-ops is.	01:04:38
	What what? We will run it just like we do all the other utilities.	01:04:46
	You don't have enough manpower to provide a trash can for four months.	01:04:51
	City cannot provide animal shelter care, which is why they won't take in animals at this time.	01:04:57
	How can you provide a guarantee?	01:05:02
	Yeah, I've lived in the city and the county.	01:05:06
	With you, I got him right here.	01:05:10
	Which address do you live at?	01:05:14
	That you didn't get.	01:05:16
	901 School of Mines 901 School of Mines didn't have a can for four.	01:05:17
	Would you look into that tomorrow? That's how we do it here. As far as it's going to be a new department, Aztec has 13 lineman and	01:05:24
	workers. They have a, they have a general manager, they have an engineer.	01:05:30
	They have a finance person, they have a legal person, we have the same legal, we have the same finance and we have the same	01:05:36
	engineer as Aztec.	01:05:41
	We're going to do exactly the same thing that Aztec does. They return a million to to the city.	01:05:46
	From the utility itself to sell $6 million worth of electricity.	01:05:53
	That's what we're going to do this a brand new utility and we will hire people. And if you think the Co-op is giving you great	01:05:58
	service, Hallelujah, I wouldn't say they're giving great service, but you are guaranteeing that this is the service that you will	01:06:03
	provide to the cities, civilians.	01:06:09
	And county.	01:06:15
	That if any issues come out, we don't have to come to a city meeting to get something resolved.	01:06:16
	You know, I get well, thank you. I'm very available. Ma'am, have you tried to get into the coop?	01:06:23
	And ask for some.	01:06:29
	Can you get in like? Can you get in like that?	01:06:31
	Waiting on $50.00 in two years. You will not have to wait for $60.00 for two years with us.	01:06:34
	Mr. Fleming. Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, Mr. Mayor, I've had the privilege.	01:06:40
	Of being.	01:06:46
	Here at the City Council meeting.	01:06:49
	For 13 years.	01:06:51
	The preceding 10 years, I stood in the back of the room with my students televising.	01:06:53
	All the meetings throughout the city.	01:07:00
	And I want to.	01:07:04
	Thank you, Mr. Herrera, from being here, and this is the largest amount of time I have ever seen a representative from the.	01:07:07
	Discussing any.	01:07:16
	With the City Council.	01:07:19
	So thank you for doing that and I think.	01:07:22
	There could be.	01:07:28
	I'm not sure if there is.	01:07:30
	Maybe it's going past the fact because the state Supreme Court.	01:07:33
	A. Decisions that were made by the PRC you did not like.	01:07:38
	That we now have to abide.	01:07:44
	Those are things that help us bound.	01:07:48
	So.	01:07:55
	Also you.	01:07:57
	Keep borrowing.	01:08:00
	Yes, we borrow money. I will be, I think we're borrowing $6 million for a sewer line at Evergreen, is that correct?	01:08:03
	8 million.	01:08:13
	We will pay it off. We have to pay it off in 40 years.	01:08:16
	But our engineers because of the number of people that are on this sewer line.	01:08:22
	We will not make any money back in 40 years.	01:08:29
	It'll take longer.	01:08:34
	But the amount of debt service that you put everybody into?	01:08:37
	I question.	01:08:43
	And I'm concerned about it.	01:08:46
	I'd like to put your concerns at ease because we've borrowed those funds at a low interest rate.	01:08:49
	What your loans are, but I'm sure they were lower than than what you thought 20 years ago. How much are we paying?	01:08:54
	Yeah. So in the same market that we're in, Council Fleming, I was here in July, we were told we.	01:09:03
	Get some kind of franchise agreement that we could review and that's what and I spent quite amount of time back then I think was	01:09:09
	about 40 minutes up here responding to questions. And so no, I appreciate you recognizing that we're we're here.	01:09:16
	When was the last time you were here to answer these questions? July.	01:09:25
	This year? No, not this year.	01:09:31
	Yes, Sir, of 23.	01:09:35
	My name is Ralph Boardman and I live up in Ranches de Bernardo and I've lived up there for 27 years now and we've had a lovely	01:09:38
	time up there. It's the best place on earth to live and.	01:09:44
	I'm and I've had a really good experience with the Co-op. Most of the time they might be doing a little bit less, but this is a	01:09:51
	very big county.	01:09:56
	And the existing infrastructure is old and they don't, you know, and I think they're doing, at least from my perspective, when the	01:10:03
	power has gone out.	01:10:08
	They've it's never been more than five hours, which I think is good considering how far out we are. I think that's really good.	01:10:14
	Now I really wish you guys could stop fighting and.	01:10:20
	Work these things out. I would rather see the Co.	01:10:28
	Continue with their thing because rather than rocking the.	01:10:31
	And bringing in new people and everything, because it's not just going to be these guys, it's going to be the, you know, the	01:10:36
	lineman, they know that the train that are down, the people that are down here, they know how what's like, you know, they know	01:10:41
	their job.	01:10:46
	And I I'm not sure that new people, well, whenever we get, whenever our UPS guy goes on vacation.	01:10:52
	It takes three or four.	01:11:03
	Other people, various attempts to get us our packages because when they have their vacation, people come in, they can't find	01:11:06
	anything out here.	01:11:11
	And I'm afraid that that that that same situation will happen if you change.	01:11:16
	You know WR.	01:11:22
	In the middle of a race you can get, it's just you're not going to win, you know? I think the best thing is to stick with these	01:11:24
	guys.	01:11:28
	And try and talk more in a nice way. Not on Facebook and you.	01:11:33
	You could like explain your situation better because what we get in the in the mailings.	01:11:39
	Is really substandard? You know as to a description of what the problem is, what your issues are?	01:11:46
	And you guys can communicate with.	01:11:53
	The county, too.	01:11:56
	You know.	01:11:58
	It is a city, but it's a sort of rural city. And you're not a lot less. I mean, you're not a lot more urban than we are. You know,	01:12:00
	we're all on pretty much the same level of urbanity, I think.	01:12:09
	Yes. And you don't think we're as as urbanized as you are. Well, we're we're fine. And you know, I mean we're fine except for the	01:12:17
	roads, which we have some problems with the roads we would like timely fixing of the roads.	01:12:23
	That's not county, but I know. But you and you guys have to work with the county. Let me make a.	01:12:30
	I understand. I understand that you love this. You know when you say you guys?	01:12:36
	You guys are?	01:12:44
	Yeah.	01:12:46
	We know that right now the club is in union, made talks with alignment right now, and those are the same lineman that we'll end up	01:12:47
	hiring.	01:12:52
	Well, I hope so. So that's not going to be a change.	01:12:56
	You know, so, so don't say that we're not, we're going to be amateurs at this. You know we run a natural gas utility which is a	01:12:59
	very dangerous type of utility and and we've been running that for.	01:13:05
	50 years. So I think so your plan is really to have the city run the entire footprint. We offered that.	01:13:11
	I can only leverage what's going on in the city because of the franchise agreement. I can't. I'm worried that we would have	01:13:21
	something like PNM.	01:13:25
	I, you know, I lived in Albuquerque for 30 years before I moved down here. And I, you know, and.	01:13:29
	I was not ever happy with PNM. Nobody's ever happy. Nobody's ever happy with.	01:13:37
	Actually, when we moved down here, I know the coop has changed a lot and they're now charging a lot for polls. We moved down here,	01:13:45
	we had to have seven Poles brought into our our land and they charged us $400.00 a poll.	01:13:52
	That was awesome. And you know and we were you know I don't want to know where you're going because we're going to need them but	01:14:00
	but but that was 27 years ago and I I don't now I would like to see that we could you know we need to have.	01:14:07
	If you want Sakura County to develop, I'm not sure I will do. But maybe we do want them to develop. We can. You know, the best	01:14:15
	thing to do is to stop is to stop this fighting. It's all been going on, Sir, for 15 years. You're not the first time.	01:14:25
	Because this is obviously just a small town.	01:14:34
	I just see small town, you know, like you guys are just fighting back.	01:14:39
	And you have gripes and but let's just not have everybody on the county pay for. But it's essentially your. I'm, I'm sorry, don't	01:14:45
	mean to interrupt. I just wanted to say this like from the deep down bottom of my heart, I know.	01:14:51
	Probably 90% of the workers at the Co-op, and none of us have any. I mean, our Co-op workers are rock stars. Like those lineman,	01:14:58
	those guys, they're bad dudes.	01:15:03
	Yeah, like they're they're awesome. The only, I mean like any issues that I'm not speaking for everybody else but with me or just	01:15:10
	like administrative decisions that at that level I promise you the the most complaints I get are from the lineman about the Co-op.	01:15:17
	The thing is I I really think that you got. I really wish you guys would work this out.	01:15:26
	You know, in a civil war, Mr. Legend, unless, unless there's any other comments from the council, maybe call the question on this	01:15:31
	discussion the mayor Pro Tem.	01:15:35
	We appreciate your comments. I had the lack of clarity and I think I understand the issue a lot better.	01:15:42
	I think he's talked to Warden McCartney. Have you talked to him? Your representative up there? No, That's your trustee.	01:15:51
	Talk to him, yeah, And see what he thinks of the call, because they've already censored him to even come into the executive	01:15:57
	session because he made a comment that he did. He supposedly leaked something to me.	01:16:03
	Talk to Ward.	01:16:09
	OK, I'll do that. Here's your representative Trustee. Yeah, well, I can find them. I can find anyone. That's how he is.	01:16:11
	Telephone number calling.	01:16:20
	I will do that because that's the kind of investigation you need to do instead of calling us small.	01:16:23
	Not.	01:16:29
	Well, we love the small town. We got a terrific university. We've got a great Pascale Apache. Somebody's knocking on the door.	01:16:32
	I just wanted to say I appreciate you coming to wrap up with that. I mean we want to comment.	01:16:42
	Come on guys. Anyone else?	01:16:54
	But again, again, the apprehension thing is important.	01:16:58
	The cost of the county.	01:17:02
	Cost about service, those are the two things I think we're very concerned about everybody in the county.	01:17:03
	I don't think they should be concerned about in the city because their rates will go down.	01:17:09
	And you can just look at their income tax return. I'll make that public poll or put it on the link.	01:17:15
	And you see what their administrative.	01:17:21
	Look at the administrative costs that the city will not incur because we already have a billing service.	01:17:24
	We already have accounts receivable collections.	01:17:30
	And if you.	01:17:33
	Administrative service. They're in the.	01:17:34
	And that's a very if you're going to investigate and you want to look into things.	01:17:38
	Instead of just a feeling good thing, look into their income tax returns on 20/22 and and and also the audit from the PRC and	01:17:43
	we'll put that on the link.	01:17:47
	Our budget is our budget.	01:17:53
	On the link City budget is already on. The link in those documents are visible on our website.	01:17:56
	Again, you're looking at just for industrial, we're trying to, you're looking at just the industrial.	01:18:03
	Customers, we're trying to lookout for everybody in the community. That's great. Mr. Park, last question. So when you meet with	01:18:08
	this meeting that's coming up with tri-state and Guzman, are you guys exploring options to find more rates for the community at	01:18:13
	that time?	01:18:17
	We're going to listen to Guzman here. I'm out. See where where the rubber makes the road.	01:18:23
	The counselor. The process was that Guzman reached out to them.	01:18:30
	And they kindly accepted the invitation. OK, but the but the it's kind of an administrative meeting.	01:18:35
	And so they're going to have their CEO from tri-state.	01:18:42
	Jeff Height, who's the vice president of Gus Guzman in Denver. He'll.	01:18:45
	I'm hoping I'm invited. If not, I don't want to mess things up, but I think it's a good progress for them to come and meet.	01:18:50
	Mr. Salami, I'm sorry.	01:19:00
	Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, What did you say, Mr. Mayor, I would just ask that if the councillors are planning on attending that	01:19:04
	meeting. No, no, no. Just so we can. I'm not inviting the councillors, but the Co-op is inviting me. It'll be at one of our open	01:19:09
	meetings.	01:19:14
	OK, you guys still trying to wiggle it on, I swear, I tell you. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor.	01:19:22
	I would still like to know in case we have to meet. Once we get the dates, we'll let you all.	01:19:29
	It was set for yesterday was the 16th.	01:19:35
	So.	01:19:42
	There you go again. You know you're you're going to invite the whole council to that meeting.	01:19:44
	Aren't they members of the cooperative?	01:19:51
	The trustees I'm coming to, yeah, there'll be a board meeting, open board meeting.	01:19:53
	Not a separate meeting? Well, they weren't to meet with the entire board.	01:19:58
	And all transparency we do this with, with all our people.	01:20:05
	Thank you for not saying anything.	01:20:10
	Thank you for coming.	01:20:14
	Spoke here at the beginning.	01:20:16
	Now we appreciate you. Thanks a lot burning. We appreciate. We appreciate you coming and you know we're we're one big city here	01:20:19
	Mr. Mayor. Yes Sir my last, my last request if the council does plan on attending to let us know as soon as possible so we can	01:20:24
	meet any advertising requirements.	01:20:29
	OK, whatever Mister man. I will make a motion that we pass resolution #24-01-16, the CDBG federal requirements.	01:20:36
	Move to 2nd And just to let you know that Mister Monet.	01:20:46
	Got himself.	01:20:50
	How much a million to?	01:20:52
	Right now it's 750,000 with an option to apply for over cost overruns up to 440,000. So it'll be.	01:20:54
	That's what I see the BG is.	01:21:05
	Mr. Mayor, did we, Did we approve that?	01:21:11
	The important one engineering service City of Park renovation proposal is from side Southwest. Thank you for coming.	01:21:16
	We thought their design and other stuff that we read in their proposal was great.	01:21:23
	He can. Denny can elaborate a little bit.	01:21:28
	They also know the area quite a bit and they have a good relationship with people in the areas We felt real comfortable with them	01:21:32
	take a motion, so moved.	01:21:36
	Aye, and opposed, OK, this anymore new business?	01:21:41
	Mr. Mayor.	01:21:46
	Deborah did along the meetings. I know we've been here a long time, but I received an anonymous letter in the mail.	01:21:48
	Did not have a name or signature, so.	01:21:55
	How to address the validity of it? So it's kind of like addressing gossip. However, since we are in the new year, I I would like	01:21:58
	us to review a hiring policy when it comes to.	01:22:03
	Hiring relatives. We're a small town, so we know that everyone's related.	01:22:09
	And then additionally, I like to for us to review our procurement procedures and what our thresholds are when we go out to bid.	01:22:16
	And when is it OK just to pick up the phone and call an electrician and say, hey, I need we need help with something or a	01:22:23
	contractor to do work, so can we just have someone?	01:22:28
	OK. Well, number one, we do have a nepotism policy. If they're not working, if they're working directly under somebody, they're	01:22:34
	not allowed to be hired. And we try to keep to that.	01:22:39
	The amount of money that we can actually give somebody as a contractor without making three phone calls is what?	01:22:46
	So to.	01:22:54
	Over 60 / 60,000 we have to go up for bids, so up.	01:22:56
	Yeah, formal bids and.	01:23:01
	Then it's 3.	01:23:03
	And then under 20 is.	01:23:06
	And then picking up the phone to call a former electrician or a roofer.	01:23:10
	We do that all the time because we have problems, so that's already in.	01:23:16
	Now we go by state people, I understand.	01:23:21
	If there's if there's a if there's a violation of that rule, I'd be more than happy to have the council approach me on it and	01:23:23
	we'll see what I can do.	01:23:28
	We cannot find people to work.	01:23:33
	And as long as there is no und.	01:23:36
	Coercion and we have other candidates.	01:23:41
	We try to follow that.	01:23:44
	But I'm probably not. I don't have lots of relatives though, so Mr.	01:23:48
	Mr. Mayor, Councillor Dean, also during the voucher process, those vouchers are reviewed by 4 different people and signed off for	01:23:54
	by 4 different people, and that they're not on the state contract, will stop the voucher and make sure they follow the state	01:23:59
	procurement code.	01:24:03
	Thank you.	01:24:09
	And we have an icon.	01:24:12
	That people can use city of.	01:24:14
	That they can respond.	01:24:17
	Anytime they want directly to administration.	01:24:19
	I'm just going to say and some of the letters we get, sometime people are free to make accusations, name names, but when it comes	01:24:22
	time for them to identify themselves as a citizen.	01:24:28
	So it's.	01:24:37
	And the question?	01:24:43
	No. And the state of New Mexico has probably one of the top procurement codes in the nation. So a lot of other states follow the	01:24:50
	New Mexico State procurement code because it is so thorough.	01:24:56
	That's one thing I can oppose.	01:25:03
	I don't know if it'd be old or new, but we addressed it last time about the.	01:25:08
	Jill and me being with the county, so I made a couple calls to Joe Gonzalez and John Aguilar.	01:25:13
	About us potentially using or start some conversation about the.	01:25:21
	We're having a transport.	01:25:27
	Juvenile Detention center helping to transport those kids to Farmington and potentially the city, working with the county and	01:25:30
	utilizing the building.	01:25:33
	So that you know, they said that they were get back to us on it. So I just wanted to let people know followed up on it.	01:25:37
	It's difficult.	01:25:45
	Mr.	01:25:47
	I'm wonderful business. Today is the first day of was opening day at the legislature and I didn't see it in the voucher run, but	01:25:49
	do we have lobbyists this year?	01:25:54
	We have actually potential of.	01:26:00
	We had Jay and Mateka Santianas.	01:26:03
	We have Justin.	01:26:07
	And we may end up having Sippy if you can do what I asked him to do, Sofia.	01:26:09
	So there's three. I'm asking Sophie to look at the meeting with the governor, setting up a meeting with the governor and the	01:26:14
	Department of Cultural Affairs to help us with the help us with the museum community. We've asked for 250,000 and to move the	01:26:21
	monument, that's 250,000.	01:26:27
	We've asked Justin. We're having a short run Montanaris.	01:26:33
	Was supposed to be.	01:26:39
	With the now are we are we are they going to be in a contractor, is that are we extending?	01:26:42
	Is this all potential ones or is this potential? Well, we've signed Sophie, but there's a deliverable. He has to deliver that	01:26:48
	before he gets paid. But Justin Reese has been with us for.	01:26:53
	And Jay and Mateka have been with us for five years, four or five.	01:26:58
	Mr. Mayor, that's under 70,000, which is professional services in the procurement code, so it doesn't have to come to the council	01:27:06
	for 60,000 for approval. But that's not something like it was like 6000 total on the voucher on it so.	01:27:13
	SJR which is Justin, Richard or JSR?	01:27:21
	Whatever it is I should have, I should have explained that to you. Justin was the previous Cabinet secretary for Department of	01:27:26
	Transportation.	01:27:30
	And he's helped.	01:27:34
	For getting us monies for Rd.	01:27:36
	A lot. And we did renew, does Mateka and Jays. We did renew that one. Yes, Sir. And nothing changed in the deliverables. And we	01:27:39
	did because I know in the past we've gotten the contract on that one before before the session started. I just didn't know if	01:27:45
	anything had changed on that one again, because I will even know that to you tomorrow. But I did that administratively.	01:27:52
	And then we have, if I'm in Santa Fe, like, at least I can be like, there's a lot of cross, but there's three, yeah.	01:27:59
	And do we have like a list of items that we're going to go to the registration? We only have three, three things, three things.	01:28:08
	Finley is a big one.	01:28:13
	And representative had hopefully assured us that a million is would.	01:28:18
	Then we've done the two things with the museum and the movement of the structure.	01:28:24
	And sound system at the rodeo, Sound system at the rodeo and landscaping our highway exits.	01:28:29
	And.	01:28:38
	Yeah, exactly. The 1st, 12 and a match for the lights at.	01:28:42
	$2,000,000 for a spec building at the Eagle.	01:28:47
	To try to get some, I will e-mail what we provided our lobbyists to the Council tomorrow, but just to finish on council games	01:28:51
	question.	01:28:55
	Justin, invoices should be monthly unless we missed a month with I think we did get behind a month and lately Jay and Mateika have	01:29:01
	been billing us quarterly so you won't see it. The procurement is, is it, is there a monthly limit or is it a total yearly limit	01:29:07
	of it's an annual limit, it's an annual limit or actually it's a contract limit?	01:29:13
	Contract. So as long as the contracts for less than the threshold, they're good, but these obviously are annual.	01:29:19
	And under an old business too, we're planning on having a ground breaking for.	01:29:27
	Project over there by the hospital, but we're going to try and do it after the legislative session.	01:29:34
	OK, Mr. Mayor invited the governor. I am.	01:29:40
	That's why.	01:29:45
	Good, good. Mr. Mayor. Old business. Yes, Sir. Any progress on the food truck ordinance stuff that we dealt with?	01:29:48
	Haven't really, it's been kind of a, it'll be simple. Yeah, right. No, just curious just I think what we're trying to figure out	01:29:57
	and I think somebody, I don't know if Chris mentioned it or somebody mentioned it, we already have an ordinance and whether we	01:30:04
	want to do a new ordinance or just amend the existing ordinance.	01:30:10
	I think that was a big question. And Mister man, I've been out for a couple weeks with the holidays and some personal stuff, so	01:30:18
	I've I've got my To Do List in my notes.	01:30:22
	OK, no problem. We don't care. I know it's my second meeting. I've missed in almost eight years. OK, all right. But we will. And	01:30:28
	then if are you going to go to Aztec?	01:30:33
	I am, yeah. I reached out. Denver. I called him, left a message for him.	01:30:39
	Not yet. Make sure you get ahold of Mr. Louise.	01:30:46
	And see if you'll be available this weekend for our counsel.	01:30:48
	All right.	01:31:01
	Job.	01:31:02
	What's that executive session? No executive session, I take it? No, I don't know. We just had one.	01:31:04
	Okay.	01:31:11
	See something? Am I sweating or is it hot in here?	01:31:15
	Donald.	01:31:21
	Daniel Monette, there's a job description you wanted.	01:31:24
	Well, actually Lawrence had one, but if they're under the range, so I pulled it off.	01:31:27
	Well, OK. And you know, Speaking of Speaking of the chief.	01:31:33
	Just that he had somebody with COVID. I'm going to extend the COVID vacation policy.	01:31:39
	Work for people that are getting COVID that they would stay home at least five days.	01:31:43
	So we.	01:31:49
	Personnel changes. We got a bunch of destinators promoted to captain. Jedi Angel. Fire to Lieutenant Matthew Holloway. Motion to	01:31:53
	Lieutenant Humberto Lucero's salary adjustment from fire to the captain. Daniel Pacheco, Fire captain.	01:32:01
	Thomas Padilla, fire recruit.	01:32:09
	And gave social fire Lieutenant. Then we.	01:32:11
	Lando Montoya groundskeeper Neil hire Fabian Gas new Hire Simon Ramirez, police station police officer.	01:32:16
	Certification.	01:32:26
	Make a motion to approve the personnel change list as presented.	01:32:29
	One favorite? Aye. Then we have Forgive Me Not Veterans Center, 705 D.	01:32:34
	Looks and Scott, Veteran Services, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Business Registrations as presented.	01:32:40
	All in favor, aye, opposed.	01:32:49
	Thank you everybody. Thank you for being here, directors.	01:32:52
	That's the way to show the coop that we've got directors.	01:32:56
	February 6th. Next meeting.	01:33:01
	Thank you everybody. February 6th.	01:33:06
	It's not a holiday or something single.	01:33:09