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Mayor Basker, Councillor Travis. 00:00:00
Councillor Dean, Councillor Fleming, Councillor Ocampo Councillor. 00:00:05
Councillor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here Answer Salome here, we have a quorum. 00:00:13
All right for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:19
Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 00:00:25
justice for all. 00:00:31
I did. I did the roll call for you. 00:00:43
Mr. 00:00:46
No, no, no time will we approve the consent agenda. 00:00:48
It's not good under discussion. I just want to let you know. 00:00:52
This Rodeo Complex and the Rodeo complex Grant Ruby you want to Is that the $900,000 grant? 00:00:57
So just to let you know that we did get 900. 00:01:05
23,123 thousand 923,000 for the rodeo complex. 00:01:09
Successful quality of life. Yes, the quality of life. Grant, it's a bar #20. 00:01:15
And we just. 00:01:20
Let a $600,000 contract to do the site covers. 00:01:22
So that's already rolling and whatever money we have left. 00:01:28
We look for the gas heaters. 00:01:32
And possibly. 00:01:34
The sound system. 00:01:36
Although we did ask for the sound system from the legisl. 00:01:41
Thank you. I didn't know the exact number. 00:01:45
But, but, but we did get that money. Any other discussion on this? 00:01:47
Mr. Yes, What? 00:01:52
They basically what's happening to the old sound? 00:01:56
You know, you know, we went to milling stadium. 00:02:01
When we started this whole thing, must have been seven years ago or 8-9 years ago we went to Mooney Stadium. 00:02:06
And the God showed us a sound system at. 00:02:13
And we said oh. 00:02:16
Turns out inside the Rodeo arena. 00:02:18
It's not so great and you know from wrestling and and from rodeo, it's terrible. 00:02:21
And we spent a pretty good money with it. It's up in the crows. 00:02:26
But it's it's just terrible. I just know that then they hardwired every wire so. 00:02:30
If I could change anything out if something goes down. 00:02:38
Mr. Parker, are they retractable here? The sites, are they? No, we couldn't get the retractable ones. It'll be just these are 00:02:43
going to be like pro panel and solid, OK? Especially where that blue is. 00:02:48
Right. And then it'll come down to the building on. 00:02:54
Building side and on the rodeo side on the chutes will come down 2/3 of the way. 00:02:57
And then on the. 00:03:03
He'll come down all the way. 00:03:05
And then we also, like I said, we're also going to talk about the gas heaters. 00:03:07
So we'll have, I think we'll have pretty good money to do that and the whole idea is to have events in the winter. 00:03:12
And also in the in the windy season in March and April, when the when the Windsors is terrible and the retractable we couldn't get 00:03:19
because they were more expensive or they were more expensive and they were. 00:03:25
They're just too flimsy. 00:03:32
You know, it's just, you know, they're rolling down, they've just and there was a chance, you know that. 00:03:34
The mechanisms would. 00:03:40
Be a. 00:03:42
But this will be a big it will be a big change, big change. And Mr. Mayor, the state has kind of tied our hands. We didn't get 00:03:44
notice of this till the end of December or the end of November, and we have to have the money spent by June 30th. And I asked for 00:03:51
clarification from the state if it only has to be encumbered or if the money has to be spent. And I have not heard back. 00:03:57
At least we'll spend what we can as quick as. 00:04:06
OK. That was just a feeling. All in favor? 00:04:10
We're down to the public forum. Anybody that is not on the agenda would like to make a comment from public forum. Yes Sir. 00:04:14
Tell us who you are and what's your. 00:04:21
Yes, Sir. 00:04:26
Oh, it's been my. 00:04:30
Thank you for letting me speak here tonight. 00:04:39
I've just recently returned as a choral. 00:04:44
You know, last July or August. 00:04:48
And could you tell us your name, please? Oh, my name is John Walker. I live on 505 Fish here in. 00:04:51
OK. 00:04:59
Sorry. 00:05:02
I've noticed I like to ride my bike all around town. 00:05:04
And one of the things I've noticed since returning here is that big empty Smiths building and. 00:05:08
All the time I've been here, I think. How can we make something into this? And item number one was? 00:05:18
Build an emergency shelter for overflow of citizens, not just from Socorro, but there's a big fire disaster in one of our 00:05:25
neighboring states or even down in Chihuahua, Mexico, you know? 00:05:32
There, there could be some eliminated capacity made. 00:05:40
To. 00:05:45
Another plan I had was an EMS First Responder Supplement, supplemental training and. 00:05:47
Equipment storage. 00:05:55
So that items such As for this first one could be. 00:05:57
Stashed away. 00:06:06
In stock thing is owned by another company and. 00:06:09
Have you? It's owned by a marijuana company. 00:06:14
OK. Do you know the ownership but? 00:06:18
The people who maintain it, yeah, So we have contacted them about keeping it up and they had windows broken, glass broken, and 00:06:25
they put plywood up, but they won't tell us what their future is with that. So it's it's, it is owned by someone. 00:06:34
Alright, I leave here, please. 00:06:43
I had a few other points. Of course. I'm sorry. Yeah, of course. I just wanted to. I just wanted to attend to each one as you will 00:06:45
in the defense are chief. In the last issue we they were talking about juvenile criminal issues. 00:06:52
And uh. 00:07:00
A facility such as this. 00:07:02
And be retrofitted. 00:07:04
Set up. 00:07:08
Shelter for more vulnerable residents that are subject to. 00:07:10
Bullying or *** harassment or? 00:07:16
They could easily fall back and you know the rate of. 00:07:19
Recidivism, you know, juvenile facilities. Excellent idea. 00:07:25
Workstations for education, a basketball and volleyball court. You know, physical activity, you know even a little. A boxing and 00:07:35
and yoga training center, where where where people would be. 00:07:42
Taught in. 00:07:50
These. 00:07:54
You know, under supervision. 00:07:54
And so on and so forth. You know, computers, books. 00:07:57
Another lastly, adult criminal criminal issues. 00:08:01
Or perhaps some adults that are on the way out of the criminal justice system. 00:08:07
Or even low risk. 00:08:14
Your minimum security. 00:08:19
Could be transitioned through there to help them get back into society. 00:08:23
111 thing that it kind of affects me a little bit is that. 00:08:29
When I lived in Elko County, Nevada, for example. 00:08:37
Near at the Wells Minimum Security Facility in Elko County. 00:08:43
They had a Nevada Division of Forestry as well as the US Forest Service had a training program to train a wildland firefighters. 00:08:50
And some of them were able. 00:09:02
Later, after they finished their thing here. 00:09:06
Well, even And then I recall more personally when when my wife or my ex-wife now and and I, we lived in Douglas, Texas, we had a 00:09:10
small livestock operation. 00:09:15
But during the years of 2011, 2012, we had a really disastrous drought with record-breaking temperatures, something like over over 00:09:21
80 days straight. You know, we're. 00:09:29
And then there was, of course, lightning caused F. 00:09:37
And we had we had a big 10,000 acre. 00:09:41
Fire in the Angelina base. 00:09:46
That came within about a mile of our place and and the Texas Department of Public Safety was able to. 00:09:48
Issue us a red flag notice to get out of there and we evacuated. 00:09:57
In a controlled fashion with our trailer and we're able to move all our livestock. 00:10:02
Onto the Nacogdoches County Fairgrounds and and the people that helped set that up, or inmates from the left in jail in Angelina 00:10:09
County, so. 00:10:16
This is where inmates. 00:10:24
Be used for community service? 00:10:26
A lot of great ideas. 00:10:30
Can we send a letter to the people who own the building and ask them what they're planning to do with the building and maybe make 00:10:33
some of these suggestions that they might be able to incorporate? But I but I have to tell you that the copper, the electrical, 00:10:38
everything's been stripped out of there by vandals. 00:10:43
But, but I like your ideas. I just. I'm not sure that I can do anything because we don't own the building, OK? Because one one 00:10:49
final thing I had in mind was. 00:10:53
For the last 20 years. 00:11:00
I've been inventing stuff. 00:11:04
And one of my inventions. 00:11:06
Solar. 00:11:10
Using concentrated solar power to desalinate electricity and also. 00:11:12
To desalinate seawater and and generate electricity using the seawater as the working media. 00:11:21
But anyway, the solar science that I use in my invention which is in the US patent. 00:11:29
It's, it's been issued. 00:11:37
US patent back in 2021. 00:11:39
That's a that's a yeah, deserialization is a big issue in New Mexico. I know the brackish water and I think the governor, show us 00:11:42
some of your, if you could give me a little background. Absolutely. 00:11:48
Or and because finally what I googled the map but over Smith and I was able to figure out the area. 00:11:54
And it came out to be just almost 1/2 an acre of rooftops space. 00:12:04
But you're. 00:12:12
Some quick quick calculations from my formulas I had for my other research. 00:12:15
And and estimating for. 00:12:23
Winter power generation. 00:12:25
Well, you're you're, you're, you're. So your solar insulation comes out to about 500 watts per square meter. 00:12:28
But I separated the array. 00:12:41
So there's no mutual blocking, no mutual shading by the course, and I've got 10 arrays that's up there. 00:12:44
Have a potential 300. 00:12:55
Almost 302 kilowatts. OK, why don't you give us your contact and maybe we can meet sometime in the office? Oh absolutely. And then 00:12:57
of course, in in the summertime. 00:13:03
Well, you're because you're. 00:13:08
Your insulation's higher with a higher. 00:13:12
Right. And the longer days, I got 505 kilowatts, that's a lot of power. 00:13:14
Sitting on an empty roof up there. 00:13:21
And I've got 3 copies of this, you know, plus whatever I got at home. 00:13:28
If anybody else wants the two other copies, I'd be glad. 00:13:36
To take some home with them. 00:13:42
I don't know. 00:13:45
Gentlemen, you can have a seat. 00:13:52
You kind of look a little honoree over there. 00:13:54
Under is the word I. 00:13:58
Andre, I did. 00:14:00
Anyone else that's not on the agenda would like to make the comment. 00:14:06
That is on the agenda, Sir, and I'll let you talk one day when we get to that agenda point. I'm over here. 00:14:23
Oh, I'm sorry, but why don't we let you talk when the that is on the agenda? 00:14:31
That's the next thing on the agenda, actually. OK. So we'll bring you up when you have something to say about that, because I want 00:14:37
to let the court, they're here, let them speak first and then we'll have anyone else who wants to make a comment. Thank you for 00:14:42
coming. 00:14:46
Anyone else? 00:14:53
Very good. 00:14:57
We shall then go on super electric coop. It has to be on the agenda as franchise agreement discussion. Gentlemen, I'm not sure 00:14:59
who's going to make the presentation, but I'd be happy to have you. 00:15:03
****. Good evening, Reverend Bhasker. 00:15:09
Mayor City. 00:15:14
My name is Leroy. 00:15:16
I'm the chairman of SCORE Electric Cooperative Cooperative Cooperative. 00:15:18
Here with Joseph Herrera and is the CEO Manager. 00:15:21
And Director of Communications and Public Affairs Chair Williams. 00:15:26
We need to follow up. 00:15:31
The proposal for a franchise agreement that we brought to. 00:15:34
A serious so. 00:15:39
In July 5th, 2023. 00:15:42
Counselor. 00:15:47
Said that she had no problem extending the franchise agreement because. 00:15:49
The residential. 00:15:54
Was it would not be ready by May 2024. 00:15:56
Councillor Romero said he'd be OK with extending the franchise agreement you have to see these days. 00:16:01
Of course. 00:16:08
Councillor Chavez Lopez AG. 00:16:11
And ask that we keep communication with the city. 00:16:13
And the court. 00:16:17
Could keep everything going. 00:16:19
An agreed upon franchise agreement would protect all. 00:16:22
And keep them. 00:16:26
This recommend Joseph. 00:16:29
Council members, thank you for pronouncing the agenda. 00:16:34
And you know, COPE the Corps to get Corporate Citizen of the city's decorum service area. 00:16:38
Where an employer we have concern for the. 00:16:45
You know, terminating the Collapse franchise agreement will hurt the members inside the city and outside the city. 00:16:49
We're here to ask, you know, to follow up on that July 5th meeting of reasonably extending the franchise agreement. 00:16:56
That does not involve requiring the City of Socorro to give up or sell its facilities to the city. 00:17:04
And it will. This is an attempt to avoid an expensive endeavor and to keep everyone whole so we can do good for the community and 00:17:12
not create unnecessary expenses. 00:17:19
If the city does not agree to the franchise will. 00:17:26
Attempt to penalize the coop, which then penalizes its members. 00:17:30
And what are the goals of terminating the franchise agreement if the city is not prepared in the near future to serve? 00:17:35
The commercial, especially the residential members. 00:17:44
The damage of terminating and finding the core? That's just going to hurt. 00:17:48
All members electric customers of the Co. 00:17:54
And we just want to work with the city, continued dialogue and follow up on the communication that we had in July. 00:17:58
Yeah, it won't hurt the. 00:18:06
Because the city has plans and we. 00:18:08
As Council Member Romero. 00:18:11
Don't mind extending the franchise as long as. 00:18:15
Continue with your endeavor to create a city utility for for the S Corridor. 00:18:18
And we just want to follow up on that because that is what. 00:18:25
Here today. 00:18:30
Mr. Earl. 00:18:33
I've never made any. 00:18:34
Statement for that back to anybody. 00:18:36
I don't know, but anyway, I don't agree with what they're saying. So there's a scoring by the July 5th meeting. 00:18:43
What's the Mr. header you made a comment about the. 00:18:49
Subsequent. 00:18:56
Once the franchise is terminated, as the judge had ordered. 00:18:57
And in May 24th, because you guys brought it up that you wanted it adjudicated as. 00:19:03
When the franchise agreement was going to be terminated, what is your comment about what happened subsequent to that as far as the 00:19:09
coop is? 00:19:13
Well, the reason we went there was because we received notice of trespass from the city of Socorro. So that's why that's not my 00:19:19
question. My question is what are you making a comment? Are you saying that the club is going to then quit providing electricity 00:19:24
after the termination of the contract? 00:19:29
No, no. What I'm saying is the answer is you'll continue providing electricity to your footprint. 00:19:35
After the finish. 00:19:42
Franchise agree. 00:19:45
In May of 2024, yes, we're going to continue to provide service, OK. So that that thread is not real that you're going to, there's 00:19:46
something disastrous going to happen after the franchise agreement is finished. 00:19:52
So then can you tell us what will happen? Right. I'm going to get to that, but I'm trying to just respond to what you just comment 00:19:58
you made that it could be something that could happen to. 00:20:03
Residents and to the area when the franchise agreement is terminated and I've got documents. 00:20:08
Saying that the coop is the one who brought it up and I think the Council has those documents. 00:20:14
I don't know we can put them up there, but the council has those documents at the Co-op initiated. 00:20:19
The Court The Court Dec. 00:20:25
Asking to firm up when that franchise agreement was going to be over, then the judge made an order stating that the franchise 00:20:29
agreement and there it is right there it. 00:20:34
In exchange for dismissal of the 1st and 2nd claims for relief with prejudice, the 1999 Franchise Agreement will remain in full 00:20:40
force and effective through May 17th, 2024. SEC may continue and so forth. This was brought by you, not the city. 00:20:50
The court. 00:21:00
And that was in response to the city's letter of notice of trespass that we had been trespassed. 00:21:03
On March 18th of 2018, we received notice from the city that we're going to be in trespassive and March of 2018 as of January 1st 00:21:08
of 2020. That's why we have to go to the court. And so you brought that action. So that caused the reaction, but I just want to 00:21:14
establish. 00:21:20
That the court has already given. 00:21:27
Ruling that this franchise agreement will terminate May 17, 2024. 00:21:31
That agreement. 00:21:37
Then either can be amended or terminated or it can go month to month depending on some of the information we'll get from our 00:21:39
consultants as to how we're going to proceed and what it's going to cost. 00:21:45
Well, Mr. Mayor, I just want, because I don't just to clarify, I think what you're saying, right, is that. 00:21:52
Because the coop, and possibly the community doesn't know what the city has in mind, that in the event that the franchise 00:21:59
agreement terminates, that people just want to know that there's that there is in fact a plan, not that everything is going to be 00:22:04
shut off. 00:22:09
And there isn't going to be a disaster is that is that is that clarifying that more what you're saying. Well what we're saying is 00:22:15
that you know when the city tried to prematurely terminate the franchise agreement, there was unknowns. We're trying to get these 00:22:22
unknowns out ahead of time. Before May of of 2024 for the the ruling that ruling was when. 00:22:29
Wasn't this year that ruling has been? 00:22:37
At least a year, 2022. Yeah, two years, right? 00:22:40
So the comment that Mister Legan just made, I don't know if you're at the meeting last week, but we have already got an 00:22:45
engineering preliminary engineering plan for a substation. We're getting a cost arrangement in that preliminary engineering plant. 00:22:51
There's also an expansion for the rest of the city. 00:22:56
And we're just waiting to see what the cost will be. And your public information officer is always making fun of me being America 00:23:03
compared to a dog. Being a mayor better than myself doesn't add anything to this conversation. 00:23:10
Mr. William, take a look at your Facebook page right there. You know and you know, but it's on record. 00:23:18
Yeah, it's not record, Mr. Williams, but by. 00:23:26
You know the bottom line. 00:23:29
We're moving ahead. We're looking at. 00:23:32
We're also going to ask you some questions. I've given the the council your income tax return from 2020. 00:23:35
You've got $42 million or so of. 00:23:41
I'm going to ask you from 1988 how much it was that spent in the city of. 00:23:44
I'm going to ask you about your. 00:23:49
About your credits that you've. 00:23:51
The tri-state at about 10:50. 00:23:54
And I'm going to see if you terminate with tri-state what's going to happen with. 00:23:58
And I know on the 16th you're going to. 00:24:02
Guzman and tri-state and your CEO and I'm hopefully I'm going to be invited on the 16th. 00:24:05
So we're moving ahead with a lot of this. Mr. Hanetta, I don't know if this is annoying to you, but Mr. Height is been our 00:24:10
consultant and he's confirmed that you will probably have a meeting and I've asked him if he would invite me. So we're moving 00:24:15
ahead. 00:24:19
With a lot of the stuff that you view and your public information officer threatening the city. 00:24:24
And I think that we're and and kind of along the lines around confirm as well too is I I I just wanted to see I think I can 00:24:31
remember if it was a. 00:24:35
Where it was, but I would, and I remember I had requested that. I just want to see what a good. 00:24:40
Solid franchise agreement would look like that our consult that our attorneys then miss winners that said that she has been that 00:24:46
she's established and she has built for other communities. 00:24:52
And I think that that's what I personally, I can't speak for the other counselors would like to see of what a good solid. 00:24:58
Franchise agreement would look like not the one that they presented to us because I agree that that is not a good franchise 00:25:04
agreement. 00:25:08
But what a good, solid franchise. That's what. I don't know. That's that's what I would been. I had requested in the past. I will 00:25:11
ask them to bring that. 00:25:15
Personally, as a matter, I'm not interested in making this franchise agreement permanent. 00:25:20
It may need to be extended, I agree with you, maybe a year, maybe five years, it may be need to be extended. It can't be for 25 00:25:25
years and and it'll have to have certain things such as explaining to us. 00:25:31
How much money actually has been spent in the city of Socorro for the million for debt service that you pay every year and make us 00:25:36
pay? All that information needs to be gathered and we'll put that with what councillor is asking for. We'll put that to you and 00:25:42
bring that to you and and I would like to see. 00:25:47
What I would like to say personally is the coop. 00:25:53
Getting away from tri-state who, who? 00:25:56
I would never. The CEO is going to be here, too. Get away from them. Go to Guzman. Like half a dozen people in southern Colorado 00:25:59
and Aztec, Bloomfield. Rat. 00:26:05
All getting their stuff from Guzman. I'm very happy with it and would say everybody money and I would hope you get your capital 00:26:10
credits back over 20 years so you can pay for some of that buy out. But those are the things we can talk about. The City Council 00:26:16
meeting isn't the place to do it. Facebook, Mr. Williams is not the place to do it. And and you know, I think the important thing 00:26:22
is to continue the conversation. I think I'm glad you're here. 00:26:28
Well, Mr. Mayor, what we're here to talk about is Los Angeles. You would have a franchise and and here we are seven months later. 00:26:34
The franchise agreement that was not accepting that was the starting point that was something my starting point was seven years 00:26:44
ago when I gave seven things that I needed to have you do and you never. I think that we were making good progress on this right 00:26:49
now. I think you guys are. I think it's good that he's agreed that. I mean I think that you guys. 00:26:54
My personal opinion, again, I think you guys have said enough in a way that I think he's agreeable to what he said that if we can 00:27:00
get us a franchise agreement, what would it look like? If there is a possible extension, there would be an extension. But I think 00:27:06
that speaking, I mean what's what's done on Facebook in my opinion is on call for as well too. 00:27:13
Mr. 00:27:20
OK, we're trying to work in unison here. We're trying to make things happen. Me personally too. And. 00:27:21
OK, well, it doesn't matter. That's doesn't. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. 00:27:29
Regardless, we're trying to make good progress here. That's all I have to say, Mr. Parkers. 00:27:34
Just to clarify the franchise agreement, you know when I met with you guys that's to provide access for. 00:27:40
The support electric Co-op to go into city premises to repair poles fix poles that. 00:27:47
That's a piece of it, right. And that's and the benefit of that is just so that we can keep things going without. 00:27:54
The Co-op didn't go to the city. Nashville commissioner going. 00:28:02
Their property all the time. Does that sound accurate? 00:28:05
Real estate payment in lieu of taxes. What they're using is our real estate to put their poles on, to generate revenue, even 00:28:13
though they're nonprofit. 00:28:17
That franchise agreement is 2%. It's about $120,000 a year. 00:28:23
More or less so. So they don't. 00:28:27
They don't pay that just for access, but they pay that initially 1956. 00:28:31
When the city gave them the franchise to provide elect. 00:28:38
In the city of. 00:28:41
Access to public property, but also to place their poles on there. 00:28:43
Mr. 00:28:51
Salami. 00:28:53
Mr. Mayor, you know, as you said in 1956, the the municipal incorporated municipality has the statutory authority and the 00:28:55
responsibility to provide utilities to their constituents. OK, so in 1956, City Council and the mayor decided to. 00:29:06
Let the Co-op perform that duty for the city, right? So it's still the cities responsibility to provide utility services to our 00:29:17
community to the incorporated municipality. 00:29:23
You've done that? 00:29:30
And as things have transpired over time, we don't think that as as a as a council and as a mayor and as an administration, we 00:29:32
don't think that the Co-op has provided the service at the quality and at the price. 00:29:40
That we. 00:29:49
Is deserving of our community. 00:29:51
OK. 00:29:54
I'm not saying Mr. Adeta, it's not Mr. It is fault what Marianne came up with right before Covad. We wanted to make a have a 00:29:56
system where we would discuss and have discussions with other. 00:30:02
Agencies, for example, the Board of trustees, right? Mr. Edna answers to the Board of Trustees, The Superintendent asks. Answers 00:30:10
to the school board. 00:30:15
The county committee, the county manager answers to the county Commission. The the City of Sequoia Mayor answers to the community 00:30:20
of Socorro. 00:30:25
You know, like one of the superintendents that I workforce had real. 00:30:30
With, with quality and with with gusto, he said. You know what it takes to be the Superintendent of schools, 3 votes. 00:30:36
So we're not saying that Mister is the face of these problems, of the issues. You know what we look at the broader picture. You 00:30:43
know, things have transpired and commercial rates have gone high. It hasn't. It has deterred businesses from coming into the coral 00:30:50
to grow and to allow. 00:30:57
Growth places for our our youth to work things of that nature and it's been stifled. You know why? Because they can go down to Los 00:31:06
Lunas and pay 5% a kWh. 00:31:12
Why would they come here that their businesses and places that provide manufacturing, you know our service industries they can 00:31:18
provide that they can, they can pay the electricity bill because they can pass it on to the to the customer, very simple, but a 00:31:26
manufacturing something that has strong potential to grow the community. 00:31:33
They will come here. It's just too expensive. So we initially and 13 years ago, I believe, I wasn't on the council at the time, 00:31:41
wanted to have a discussion how can we work with the coop to bring down those rates, encourage commercial and and industrial 00:31:48
businesses to come to our industrial park which is built by the city of the Coral. Well, how can we do that? And there was, 00:31:55
there's been a long term of silence and a long term of disgruntled. 00:32:02
People were getting disgruntled and personalities were conflicting with each other, so I think that. 00:32:10
You know, Mr. Herrera is the manager, that he's not the face of this issue. You know what Mr. Adeta is? Is is doing what he thinks 00:32:19
is right for the Co-op. But there's board of trustees that have to say, hey, hey, hey, hold on here, guys. Hold on here. Mr. 00:32:26
Edetta, we need to work with our community just like the school board. Hey, hey, Superintendent. Hold on there. 00:32:33
You answer to the board of trustees, but the mayor here answers to the whole community and I think that's where we're at. I 00:32:41
underline that you've been given that job. I'm not. I think you were saddled with a contract. Not. Paula was manager at one time. 00:32:47
You know, so I'm. I'm not saying this is a personal thing at all. No, I don't take it personal. And I I would, Councilman Salami 00:32:52
said. 00:32:58
We serve communities. We serve San Ocasio Magdalena de Camaro. 00:33:04
And so we serve these communities because no one else wanted to. 00:33:10
The mayor said that you're going to have your costs, you're going to get your cost, you're going to know what it's going to cost 00:33:14
to serve. 00:33:18
And you're going to have to establish a. 00:33:22
To capture all those costs and repay those costs. All, we're asking while you do those things and come up with your cards, because 00:33:24
you'll probably come to the same conclusion. 00:33:29
Your cards will probably have to be what our costs are probably higher because it's all new stuff, is to give us a franchise so we 00:33:35
can continue to serve in the City of Scotland and those lines extend outside the city of Socorro to all these other communities. 00:33:41
And that's what I was saying. There's going to impact other communities other than the not only the city of Socorro but also those 00:33:47
communities outside the city. So. So tell me Mr. Hannah, you told me once. 00:33:54
That the cost of energy to you was 2/3 of our bill. 00:34:01
And the cost of energy that you from tri-state? 00:34:06
That doesn't include the Wheeling, but just the try cost. 00:34:10
The market right now is about 20% less. So how can you say that we're going to come to the same conclusion you are, but you're 00:34:13
charging when we can buy the electricity cheaper? 00:34:19
You're buying it at some distant place in Colorado, Arizona. You got to bring that power into Sokoto. You got to make that power. 00:34:26
You got to get that power to the meter. The grid isn't just not Colorado, Arizona. The grid is just constant. Well, you guys have 00:34:31
generational resources and there's nothing. 00:34:36
But where is it getting it from? Where are they getting it from? 00:34:42
Do you want to tell me all the engineering? I'm just giving you just a question if if the cost of energy? 00:34:49
2/3 and I can get it for 20% cheaper. How can you even make that statement, which is kind of a, you know, the postcards you guys 00:34:56
sent out four and a half million dollars. The American put it from mental health. That four and a half million, if you don't sell 00:35:02
us your stuff, which you can take off, your debt service is going to be paid by the users. And it's going to be selfless stuff 00:35:09
too. It's in the bylaws, it's in state statute. We cannot sell the stuff to you. 00:35:16
The members, the members have to vote to sell that. 00:35:23
I'm just going to tell you that this is a process. We've come to this. 00:35:28
You came here for the franchise agreement, yes, for extending it. I know some of these people here from outside the city. 00:35:34
There may suffer, but eventually if you let us have the whole footprint. 00:35:41
Or if you buy electricity cheaper, I think we can come to terms and let you have the franchise agreement for another 25 years. 00:35:46
But you've got to use that window that tri-state gave you, which you never used. 00:35:52
That was used by Kit Carson and they paid off tri-state buyout and their rates are much cheaper and. 00:35:57
They're also. 00:36:05
And I'm not going to see any of your paperwork. That is all false, but you know. 00:36:07
I can tell you Aztec. 00:36:12
We're getting off the base of what the franchise? 00:36:15
Is. I think it should be. 00:36:18
I mean, what people are going to pay for the next 10 years? 00:36:22
And I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to show it to the public. Yeah, well, show it to the public. 00:36:27
When what? When? When we have you been to our meeting, then we watch your meeting. 00:36:33
In middle of February, we'll have the answer you'll have for the established rates, but not the residents. The residents. That's 00:36:40
who we're the residents. 00:36:45
I want a lot of things to explain just from your income tax. 00:37:23
You're making a million six. You've got no nonprofit, got nine. Well, you you give that money to the residents, you've got 9 00:37:28
minutes cash reserves. You know don't tell me that you guys are. And then you go to the Supreme Court and your lawyer says we're 00:37:33
going to have to borrow $14 million just to keep afloat. We have borrowed $14 million for the city of Socorro. Well, for the 00:37:39
operations of the Cora, but. 00:37:45
Having borrowed money, again, you're getting off what we're talking about, the franchise. You'll find out what those expenses are, 00:37:53
as if we can just get a franchise. 00:37:57
Like that public, I agree, Mr. Mann. And then you'll note the electric there's four things. The cost of electricity, operating and 00:38:01
maintenance, the Wheeling and the debt service. Those four things will add up to 11 and a half cents, not 17. 00:38:08
Our electric rates for residential are not 17, they're $0.15 all in. That's a hedge. That's really a hedge. The, you know, the 00:38:17
effective, the effective energy cost we got into the gas rates. We could say the gas rates in the city of the corner, the highest 00:38:23
rates in the state subsidized the gas rates last year for $1,000,000. When have you ever subsidized the electric weights to the 00:38:29
poor people and where does subsidy come from? What? What do the subsidies come from? Federal government. Someone has to pay for 00:38:34
it, right? 00:38:40
And so the federal government. Who is the federal government? The citizens. 00:38:47
Want to get on the franchise? 00:38:55
I know most of the council didn't sit in on the hearings that we sat in over the last five years or so. 00:39:01
But the coops main agreement? 00:39:08
That they were arguing in their legal case was that the franchise was for 25 years by state law. 00:39:12
So we need to be careful that any extension might be construed to go back. 00:39:18
OK, just a minute. 00:39:23
Did you just say make a statement that you borrowed another $14 million? 00:39:31
Since the city protested our our rate increase, yes. And so we haven't had a rate increase since 2011. We've been borrowing money. 00:39:38
And that is on top of the $40 million that you borrowed before? 00:39:47
That was on $32 million that we. 00:39:52
So that comes out to be a total of how much? 00:39:56
What about collapse and get $45,000,000 right now? What do you find millionaire and what is your payoff time on that? Debt? 3rd 30 00:40:00
year terms but what? 00:40:06
The franchise. 00:40:12
How do we get to our debt and the franchise? Because I'm sure you have debt and you have the city operates with debt. I mean you 00:40:13
you have to borrow money. We've been fortunate to be in these low interest environ. 00:40:19
That we're borrowing at 3 percent, 4%. 00:40:25
So our debt cost collector on your electric bill is the credit, so. 00:40:30
It hasn't been impacting your rates. 00:40:37
It's a misstatement. We do not borrow money for operating and maintenance. 00:40:40
That's not, that's a misstatement. Well, to get from the federal government, we borrowed for capital improvements. We do not do it 00:40:44
for operating and maintenance. But your lawyer? 00:40:48
Mr. Again, I'm Mr. Mayor. Correct me if I'm wrong, though in the past, I think, before we redid this. 00:40:53
Wasn't wasn't there a time we operated on a month to month on the franchise because we didn't have something? That's when we sent 00:40:59
him the trespassing notice and that's so we do have that ability if we needed to. 00:41:05
Penalize this month to month, are you? 00:41:12
Charges the additional fees or we never have. I think it's if I'm not mistaken it continues the words whatever will you've been 00:41:17
2%, we've never been able to audit your books on that 22 million that you generate. 00:41:23
Let me look at your income tax again. You generate 22 million on $14 million worth of energy that you buy. 00:41:31
We the revenue was $24 million. 00:41:38
But our power cost is 14,000,000. You can do it right there. You can look at it, but. 00:41:43
You're talking about our operating annual? 00:41:50
What I'm saying is, let's go back to what he said. You're paying us 2%. We've never been able to audit on what money are you 00:41:54
paying that 2% on because we've asked you and you've never been able to give us that information that will be in the new 00:41:59
franchise. 00:42:04
That I we can audit your books as to why on what's that 120,000 if you if you work it backwards. 00:42:09
We give you a monthly statement showing how we derive at that 2% and how that 140,000. Anyway your comment is that it is we don't 00:42:17
charge them extra for this next. 00:42:22
And then I'll have to look into what Mr. Monet just said. I don't want us to be trapped into a 25 year when they give him a one 00:42:28
year extension. 00:42:32
What what we're you know we're just trying to follow up on the conversation that we had in July. We've been talking in circles you 00:42:38
I think we can extend your franchise. 00:42:43
But I can't tell you they're going to go for 25 years and that's how we're asking for. We're just asking to see what you would 00:42:50
offer. Well that's the meetings you're going to have with. We haven't seen that yet. I'll talk to a lawyer then we'll get the 00:42:56
we'll get the extension of how much is going to cost for the industrial leg that's that's what we're asking an agreement that the 00:43:01
fire I'm trying to be as. 00:43:07
Hoping about what we're doing as possible. 00:43:13
You know and and your answer, your answer was franchise agreement. What are you guys going to do after May? We're not going to 00:43:17
have it up and going. So absolutely we're going to have to give you some. 00:43:22
Assurance for your finances as to what we can do as far as the French and but I have to get the input of the lawyer. I have to get 00:43:28
input of the state legislature make sure that we're not doing something that will give. 00:43:34
Something we try to get trapped into and then we'll give you the prices that we're going to have for the industrial leg. 00:43:41
The residential link. 00:43:47
Will also be similar, but the cost of poles and the hardware and and you taking them off and the cost of this here's substations 00:43:49
coming up. 00:43:53
This I-25 quarter, we're finally going to get the answer to how much it's going to cost us and what that we're going to incur and 00:43:59
either you. 00:44:04
Sell us your stuff or we put in new stuff. We will have the users pay for that debt service, just like you're making us pay the 00:44:09
$44 million. 00:44:14
From the debt service which is 1,000,004 on your income tax. 00:44:20
A year. 00:44:24
So do you have a time frame when you anticipate that middle of February we'll have the answer to that, that piece of the puzzle, 00:44:26
but the franchise when you would have? 00:44:30
But I would like to see what happens with this meeting that you haven't. You haven't divulged that you agreed to that meeting, but 00:44:39
I understand you have this meeting. 00:44:44
I'd love to have you there and City Council members there. I'm going to invite myself, but if you guys invite me, I'll be more 00:44:50
than happy to. But I think we need to know what's going to happen at that meeting. 00:44:55
Well, that meeting is going to be for information because they want to tell us where they're getting their power from and and what 00:45:01
what they own and and yeah, so when we invited the CEO from tri-state. 00:45:06
They they said, oh, we're gonna postpone that because we like our CEO there too. So we'll try and get some dates together because 00:45:12
I understand they wanted everyone involved to be there, 'cause Denver, Denise come to Denver Hashtag, he's been with them for nine 00:45:19
years and they're more than happy talk to talk to La Plata and talked to Montrose Delta. Well, we we also talked to some of their 00:45:26
members and they're not happy because they're paying them pretty much the same rate which which which project Carson. 00:45:34
There are persons unhappy with **** Carson's. Rates have been the same since 2016, and they're still the same today. 00:45:41
At 14.5, well, they're the same rate from 2016 when they were still with tri-state. 14 1/2 Fourteen Points. They haven't changed 00:45:48
the rate tariffs at the PRC, they still charge. 00:45:54
Rate today that they were charging when they were trash. 00:46:01
I'll get you that information at the next meeting so we can have Luis Reyes on the phones with you and then see, see if he agrees 00:46:04
with what you're saying, right. All I'm just saying is that our tariff that we have for the PRC. 00:46:11
But you don't. 00:46:20
Pearson, you took their you took their case that they said you can't raise their rates just like P&M just got it from PRC. I 00:46:22
wonder if. 00:46:26
That what the Supreme Court said, well, we'll wait. We'll find out what I say. So you think PNM, because they're decreasing the 00:46:33
rates because PRC said that they're going to take it to the Supreme Court? 00:46:39
While they have the same opportunity, I don't know, I don't speak for. 00:46:45
Our money with these lawyers, we're not wasting your money. We're you're causing us to waste money because why didn't you protest 00:46:51
it? Why did you protest it? I guess we just go along with whatever you say. 00:46:56
So is it fair to say that by March 1st? 00:47:05
We should have an. I'll give you a number. OK. 00:47:09
And we should have a franchise agreement by then. 00:47:13
Well, yeah, Well. 00:47:16
Example example example of. 00:47:20
That, that as long as we don't get into something that Donald just said, if we extend it, that automatically says you do it for 25 00:47:22
years. I'm not going to live that long. 00:47:27
But if we could extend it year by year, that's I'm more than happy to do that. I don't have a problem. I think that's fine, Mr. 00:47:33
Mayor. 00:47:37
Mr. Mayor said that regarding Kate Carson. I think it's an important. 00:47:42
Note that recognized that even if they saved money on their rates and charged their customers the same amount, their net income 00:47:47
went up and invested that money in solar and broadband. They're 100% solar. 00:47:54
I mean, OK, we got lots of people out here that might want to make a comment. 00:48:02
We've got gentlemen from Yellowstone. 00:48:10
Come on up. Come on, introduce yourself. You got to make. 00:48:13
Make it, make it. 00:48:17
Make it. Make it official. 00:48:20
4th Day Smith I live in Santa. 00:48:23
And from. 00:48:27
You're creating a lot of apprehension. 00:48:30
For us. 00:48:33
We are there. 00:48:36
The whole future. I never threatened to raise your race. They're the ones who know that. You just said it. 00:48:39
Understanding what's happening here in this situation is creating apprehension. 00:48:44
We don't know what's going to happen from year to year now and. 00:48:52
You know, so everybody's got to come to the council meeting every year to find out what's going to happen. 00:48:58
And tell me, what's the apprehension? What is the apprehension that you're feeling? 00:49:05
As residential folks, you already said, if you take it over, that'll be step by step. 00:49:11
So we're out there and you got the city taken care of, but what about us? 00:49:18
They're still taking care of you. The coop is still taking care of you. 00:49:24
And they will have less debt service because the amount of money that we can pay them to get their stuff off of our property will 00:49:28
take away from the $42 million that they're paying a million and a half for debt service. So the the rule areas will stay with 00:49:34
this coral. 00:49:40
If that's up to them, we offer to take over the whole footprint. 00:49:47
That's your apprehension of him saying. 00:49:54
I think it's possible, he says it's not, so you need to convince him that it's possible. 00:49:56
Do you change the? No, it's not state statues. 00:50:02
The. 00:50:05
Get on with it. You're actually, I agree with your apprehension. 00:50:12
You know, he's making statements that the state statute states that the city is only allowed to have electricity 5 miles outside 00:50:15
the city limits. 00:50:19
Which state statue are you replying? 00:50:24
State statute of municipal electric utilities and what they can serve, how far they can serve outside be a municipal electric 00:50:29
utility. They will be a Socorro County Electric Utility. 00:50:35
Compare a municipal utility. 00:50:44
Yeah, that's one apprehension. I was looking to that. I'll look into that for you that we can't say that. 00:50:48
No. 00:50:55
People. 00:51:00
They're concerned about. I understand you guys take over, you gotta pay for the power poles and why all of that? To get out and 00:51:05
the rates are going to go higher than they already. I understand what you're saying and I understand the apprehension for people 00:51:11
outside the city. 00:51:17
We have offered to take over the footprint. Continental Divide comes down pretty close to their territory. There's lots of other 00:51:23
co-ops that will serve you and serve you better with better rates. I'm not saying your rates would not go up. I don't have any 00:51:29
idea that the only threat that you've heard is from them saying they're going to increase the rates that the city takes over. That 00:51:35
is a threat that is not substantiated. 00:51:41
You got an operating cost, you don't have the the industrial loan which you are more concerned about industrial versus the 00:51:49
residential and you got to spread that cost to the other ratepayers who would be residential. 00:51:56
Well, now that's your mathematics. 00:52:04
What I'm saying? 00:52:07
You can buy the energy cheaper. 00:52:08
You can also implement solar like Kit Carson, which is very rural. Kit Carson is still a. 00:52:11
It serves Taos Questa in that area, and Raton itself is a city Co. 00:52:17
I mean a municipal electric Co-op and outside of that? 00:52:24
Is served by a county court. So we can get you the rates that there's between Raton and what the county is getting paid. I can 00:52:29
give you some of that information. So your apprehensions, it's all about how much it's going to cost you, right? That's what 00:52:33
you're worried about. 00:52:38
So the people in the city who I represent, it's the well, I'm here representing rule. 00:52:45
I agree. I mean, I understand the apprehension. Let me get you some numbers though, over and above the coops, what they're making 00:52:53
statements about because they said, you know, they sent out postcards that were like totally off the track as to what they were 00:53:00
saying. The city was going to do four and a half million dollars, our gas rates are going up, blah, blah, blah. 00:53:06
Totally different than what the coop is actually doing. We don't send out those kind of crazy postcards. 00:53:13
You know that really make everybody agitated. 00:53:19
And that's what they're doing. Well, no, they're based on facts that the four and a half million dollars that you say that I'm 00:53:22
going to spend could be used for mental health and for for for children's and activities. Where are you going to get the format 00:53:27
we're going on for what your rates are for natural gas, sewer and water? That's what we're showing the. 00:53:33
Postcard for the what a substation cost but yours? I saw your proposed substation a little bigger than what we normally would do. 00:53:41
Look, the city's taking care of the city. 00:53:52
Citizens, what about the people outside? And you know, and we've already had this discussion that you know that you can't serve 00:53:54
him Auto, Santa, Costia and beyond your your foot. 00:54:00
Mr. Parker. 00:54:07
I guess. 00:54:09
My question would. 00:54:10
So if we at the city left and it caused. 00:54:13
I guess the outside of the city's rates to go up. 00:54:19
Isn't there like the PRC regulate that then and it doesn't allow you just ejaculate rates up just that quick? 00:54:23
You'd have to go to the PSP again, so there's still a. 00:54:31
Yeah, if the city has a. 00:54:35
You guys approve it and that's it. It's over with. 00:54:38
Yeah. Thank you. 00:54:41
No, but you're I think the big comment that you made is it hits home, you're apprehensive about how much the rates would go up in 00:54:44
the county. 00:54:49
If the city went. 00:54:54
From the club. That's your big apprehension. 00:54:56
I don't know how good your service is now after that big thing in a little. I mean, you know, they don't have redundancy on their 00:55:00
substations. 00:55:05
Substitution goes out, goes down for a. 00:55:10
You know, but but I think the big question is what's it going to cost? 00:55:13
When the city, the 35% and I think Mr. Williams made a comment that the city uses 10 megawatts which is I'm not sure if that's 00:55:18
true, but if the 10 megawatts went away. 00:55:25
From them buying it from Kit Carson, we want to see what the cost would be for the county and I will try to get that information. 00:55:31
Mr. Partridge, last point you brought up. 00:55:41
Gas and water and it's like apples and oranges, I. 00:55:45
From what I understand about it, we should just be comparing what What I think the man is trying to do is compare what electricity 00:55:49
rates are being purchased through other places. With electricity comparing, I just being honest and like the solar rate, there's 00:55:56
no there's hardly a benefit in this town for how much? How much? 00:56:02
The lack of benefit it is for. 00:56:10
For anybody to be out there to actually put solar energy back in the grid, and I know I brought that up and we met and you said, 00:56:12
well, there's some things with it that there could be damage to the lines if there was like a solar surge. That's exactly what you 00:56:16
told me. 00:56:20
And then from. 00:56:25
I I I deal so much with people that are live out in the county. I love them to death. I love going out to their places. I've never 00:56:29
seen this many recent years. 00:56:33
So many of them going off. 00:56:37
Because they couldn't afford the 10 poles. It was to get him whatever. And I get it. There's going to be a cost. 00:56:39
But umm, it seems like that like the cost isn't like shared equally. Maybe. I don't know. I just. 00:56:45
I just really feel like I guess my biggest question for you. 00:56:52
Things like that, things like that that that somebody else are paying for like the the actual businesses in town that want to get 00:56:57
solar and they get like penalized for it basically like they don't, I don't even know that you guys pay them for their. 00:57:03
2.8 cents I mean. 00:57:11
That was regardless, My point is, it's like. 00:57:16
The the upgrades, we didn't talk about solar flares we talked about. 00:57:51
Your your service may need to be upgraded and that requires a CID permit. I explained that whole process to you. 00:57:55
I was talking about we offer financing for for a line extensions. 00:58:03
So we we offer those type programs, but all those things when you're nonprofit, somebody has to pay for it, right? And who do you 00:58:10
collect from your ratepayers? So you either put them in your rates. 00:58:15
Are you or they? They pay their their skin in the game and you'll find out when your utility. 00:58:20
That when people want to extend power, I would like you to bring that personally. You said with $7000 to right next to the 00:58:26
powerful. I like to visit with them. 00:58:31
But. 00:58:37
The point I'm getting at? 00:58:38
To be fair to everyone in. 00:58:40
When we got our discussion, I kind of walked you through what those processes were for interconnecting for solar, what we pay. 00:58:44
And and all those things because again we haven't had a rainy increase since 2011. So the way you do those things is fairly. 00:58:52
Everyone paying their fair skin in the game and that's how we operate as a non profit. We talked about $24 million in revenue. 00:59:00
That revenue has to cover our operational costs and our power costs and all those things. 00:59:09
Anything that's left after that, there are a day that's getting back to the members and that's what's paid. You got a million four 00:59:14
leftover. 00:59:18
And and so those I didn't have it. We paid that back to the members. In fact, we're here today to give the city their patronage 00:59:22
for 1998 of $26,000. 00:59:26
We would not get into capital credits. And the other thing is there's not many sit very well with the county people. But you know, 00:59:32
they sell gasoline in Albuquerque for $2.40, they're charging me $2.90. I'm not asking the people from Albuquerque to subsidize my 00:59:37
gas. 00:59:42
There's a cost in living outside the city, there's a cost in living outside of Albuquerque and I think you have to be realistic as 00:59:48
to how that's going to cost going to be transferred again. 00:59:53
Those that's the reality of living in the rural area. City pays $2.89 for gasoline. 00:59:58
A gallon, they're paying two 39240 in Albuquerque, so you know, there's a lot of. 01:00:04
Up and down with the cost of energy. 01:00:12
And then all I'm saying to Mr. Herrera. 01:00:14
He can buy energy 20% cheaper from Guzman. 01:00:17
And tri-state. 01:00:21
The biggest power company in Denver, United Power, has left tri-state. 01:00:24
They buy a billion two of electricity in Denver from tri-state. tri-state is losing customers for a reason because there's cheaper 01:00:30
electricity out there. The county can get it, the city can get it and we're going to bring you those numbers in mid February. The, 01:00:38
the utility you mentioned has over 200,000 customers. We have 8000, so there's a little bit of that. 01:00:46
I'm just saying United Power is looking out for their customers and they're going to get cheaper electricity. One person or 01:00:55
200,000. 01:00:59
That's what I'm saying. So here's your capital credits for $26,000. Thank you. 01:01:03
That was a nice gift. 01:01:10
I think that's what it's all about. You better get it before I go spend it. Give it to Ruby over there. 01:01:12
But at the end of the day, there is your friend. There's a there's a cost for you to get that Elect. 01:01:19
I think that was perfect, but first sets the Wheeling cost and I know they're sticking it to get cars and tri-state and that's. 01:01:26
How to help you look at your public service We have another line. Public service company is not close but it's still we can use 01:01:36
them for the Wheeling. 01:01:40
And you'll have the Sun 0 project coming through here, too. 01:01:44
They're they're not dropping any lines. I think we're we're, we're. 01:01:50
Just I think we're talking about the same thing. Yeah, I think we're March 1st and and we'll we've accomplished Donald. 01:01:55
We'll look into the extension of the franchise agreement. 01:02:04
Will bring something in the middle of February for the cause. 01:02:08
And will this cost me what the ratepayers are going to pay? Yeah, the industrial, just the industrial. Well, that's all I'm 01:02:13
driving right now and we're going to look. 01:02:17
Other counties and what they. 01:02:22
That the city owns the municipal electricity like Raton, like Aztec. 01:02:25
And. 01:02:31
Tier C. 01:02:33
As to what the county is paying and what the city is paying and we'll bring that to you as to what the cost is. 01:02:35
Mr. Mayor, just one more question. 01:02:41
If coops all work the same way all the way from tri-state down. 01:02:44
And United leaves and isn't tri-state going to be forced to raise their rates just like he said, you want to raise their rates. 01:02:48
It's going to happen. You're not going to tell me you're going to have your rates stable, not going to have any rate increases 01:02:52
this year. 01:02:56
What was? 01:03:01
Are you going to race? 01:03:04
Where is. 01:03:07
No, tri-state. 01:03:08
They raised the rates January. 01:03:12
6.6%. 01:03:14
And you didn't present that? Was that? 01:03:16
The last time we got a rate increase from tri-state was 2017, but this 26% rate increase in Pasadena, pass it on, I said I said 01:03:19
6.6%, did you pass it on? 01:03:24
And that will that will pass on through to the membership. 01:03:30
And and right now you see that as a as a credit on your electric bill. You know, I do not get the electric bill credit. All I get 01:03:34
is what I'm going to pay. I divided the kilowatt hours by that and that's what I'm paying. I don't know the mumbo jumbo on that 01:03:39
electric. 01:03:44
Beyond me. 01:03:49
Well, that's the same humble jumbo and Kit Carson's electric bill. 01:03:51
Well then the simple things just take the kilowatts, take what you're paying out of your wallet, divide it out $0.17. 01:03:55
But that won't be the same cost for for Mr. Fleming, where for. 01:04:03
Divide that off for him. 01:04:08
No. 01:04:13
There's way more. I mean finally we got a chance to exchange information and talk. I mean that's great, but let's go to look 01:04:15
forward to seeing anybody else that wants to make a comment. 01:04:20
Come, yes, ma'am. 01:04:26
So I had a question. My name is Nancy Bowling. I want to know how the city is going to guarantee that the service you're providing 01:04:31
manpower wise is going to be better than the co-ops is. 01:04:38
What what? We will run it just like we do all the other utilities. 01:04:46
You don't have enough manpower to provide a trash can for four months. 01:04:51
City cannot provide animal shelter care, which is why they won't take in animals at this time. 01:04:57
How can you provide a guarantee? 01:05:02
Yeah, I've lived in the city and the county. 01:05:06
With you, I got him right here. 01:05:10
Which address do you live at? 01:05:14
That you didn't get. 01:05:16
901 School of Mines 901 School of Mines didn't have a can for four. 01:05:17
Would you look into that tomorrow? That's how we do it here. As far as it's going to be a new department, Aztec has 13 lineman and 01:05:24
workers. They have a, they have a general manager, they have an engineer. 01:05:30
They have a finance person, they have a legal person, we have the same legal, we have the same finance and we have the same 01:05:36
engineer as Aztec. 01:05:41
We're going to do exactly the same thing that Aztec does. They return a million to to the city. 01:05:46
From the utility itself to sell $6 million worth of electricity. 01:05:53
That's what we're going to do this a brand new utility and we will hire people. And if you think the Co-op is giving you great 01:05:58
service, Hallelujah, I wouldn't say they're giving great service, but you are guaranteeing that this is the service that you will 01:06:03
provide to the cities, civilians. 01:06:09
And county. 01:06:15
That if any issues come out, we don't have to come to a city meeting to get something resolved. 01:06:16
You know, I get well, thank you. I'm very available. Ma'am, have you tried to get into the coop? 01:06:23
And ask for some. 01:06:29
Can you get in like? Can you get in like that? 01:06:31
Waiting on $50.00 in two years. You will not have to wait for $60.00 for two years with us. 01:06:34
Mr. Fleming. Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, Mr. Mayor, I've had the privilege. 01:06:40
Of being. 01:06:46
Here at the City Council meeting. 01:06:49
For 13 years. 01:06:51
The preceding 10 years, I stood in the back of the room with my students televising. 01:06:53
All the meetings throughout the city. 01:07:00
And I want to. 01:07:04
Thank you, Mr. Herrera, from being here, and this is the largest amount of time I have ever seen a representative from the. 01:07:07
Discussing any. 01:07:16
With the City Council. 01:07:19
So thank you for doing that and I think. 01:07:22
There could be. 01:07:28
I'm not sure if there is. 01:07:30
Maybe it's going past the fact because the state Supreme Court. 01:07:33
A. Decisions that were made by the PRC you did not like. 01:07:38
That we now have to abide. 01:07:44
Those are things that help us bound. 01:07:48
So. 01:07:55
Also you. 01:07:57
Keep borrowing. 01:08:00
Yes, we borrow money. I will be, I think we're borrowing $6 million for a sewer line at Evergreen, is that correct? 01:08:03
8 million. 01:08:13
We will pay it off. We have to pay it off in 40 years. 01:08:16
But our engineers because of the number of people that are on this sewer line. 01:08:22
We will not make any money back in 40 years. 01:08:29
It'll take longer. 01:08:34
But the amount of debt service that you put everybody into? 01:08:37
I question. 01:08:43
And I'm concerned about it. 01:08:46
I'd like to put your concerns at ease because we've borrowed those funds at a low interest rate. 01:08:49
What your loans are, but I'm sure they were lower than than what you thought 20 years ago. How much are we paying? 01:08:54
Yeah. So in the same market that we're in, Council Fleming, I was here in July, we were told we. 01:09:03
Get some kind of franchise agreement that we could review and that's what and I spent quite amount of time back then I think was 01:09:09
about 40 minutes up here responding to questions. And so no, I appreciate you recognizing that we're we're here. 01:09:16
When was the last time you were here to answer these questions? July. 01:09:25
This year? No, not this year. 01:09:31
Yes, Sir, of 23. 01:09:35
My name is Ralph Boardman and I live up in Ranches de Bernardo and I've lived up there for 27 years now and we've had a lovely 01:09:38
time up there. It's the best place on earth to live and. 01:09:44
I'm and I've had a really good experience with the Co-op. Most of the time they might be doing a little bit less, but this is a 01:09:51
very big county. 01:09:56
And the existing infrastructure is old and they don't, you know, and I think they're doing, at least from my perspective, when the 01:10:03
power has gone out. 01:10:08
They've it's never been more than five hours, which I think is good considering how far out we are. I think that's really good. 01:10:14
Now I really wish you guys could stop fighting and. 01:10:20
Work these things out. I would rather see the Co. 01:10:28
Continue with their thing because rather than rocking the. 01:10:31
And bringing in new people and everything, because it's not just going to be these guys, it's going to be the, you know, the 01:10:36
lineman, they know that the train that are down, the people that are down here, they know how what's like, you know, they know 01:10:41
their job. 01:10:46
And I I'm not sure that new people, well, whenever we get, whenever our UPS guy goes on vacation. 01:10:52
It takes three or four. 01:11:03
Other people, various attempts to get us our packages because when they have their vacation, people come in, they can't find 01:11:06
anything out here. 01:11:11
And I'm afraid that that that that same situation will happen if you change. 01:11:16
You know WR. 01:11:22
In the middle of a race you can get, it's just you're not going to win, you know? I think the best thing is to stick with these 01:11:24
guys. 01:11:28
And try and talk more in a nice way. Not on Facebook and you. 01:11:33
You could like explain your situation better because what we get in the in the mailings. 01:11:39
Is really substandard? You know as to a description of what the problem is, what your issues are? 01:11:46
And you guys can communicate with. 01:11:53
The county, too. 01:11:56
You know. 01:11:58
It is a city, but it's a sort of rural city. And you're not a lot less. I mean, you're not a lot more urban than we are. You know, 01:12:00
we're all on pretty much the same level of urbanity, I think. 01:12:09
Yes. And you don't think we're as as urbanized as you are. Well, we're we're fine. And you know, I mean we're fine except for the 01:12:17
roads, which we have some problems with the roads we would like timely fixing of the roads. 01:12:23
That's not county, but I know. But you and you guys have to work with the county. Let me make a. 01:12:30
I understand. I understand that you love this. You know when you say you guys? 01:12:36
You guys are? 01:12:44
Yeah. 01:12:46
We know that right now the club is in union, made talks with alignment right now, and those are the same lineman that we'll end up 01:12:47
hiring. 01:12:52
Well, I hope so. So that's not going to be a change. 01:12:56
You know, so, so don't say that we're not, we're going to be amateurs at this. You know we run a natural gas utility which is a 01:12:59
very dangerous type of utility and and we've been running that for. 01:13:05
50 years. So I think so your plan is really to have the city run the entire footprint. We offered that. 01:13:11
I can only leverage what's going on in the city because of the franchise agreement. I can't. I'm worried that we would have 01:13:21
something like PNM. 01:13:25
I, you know, I lived in Albuquerque for 30 years before I moved down here. And I, you know, and. 01:13:29
I was not ever happy with PNM. Nobody's ever happy. Nobody's ever happy with. 01:13:37
Actually, when we moved down here, I know the coop has changed a lot and they're now charging a lot for polls. We moved down here, 01:13:45
we had to have seven Poles brought into our our land and they charged us $400.00 a poll. 01:13:52
That was awesome. And you know and we were you know I don't want to know where you're going because we're going to need them but 01:14:00
but but that was 27 years ago and I I don't now I would like to see that we could you know we need to have. 01:14:07
If you want Sakura County to develop, I'm not sure I will do. But maybe we do want them to develop. We can. You know, the best 01:14:15
thing to do is to stop is to stop this fighting. It's all been going on, Sir, for 15 years. You're not the first time. 01:14:25
Because this is obviously just a small town. 01:14:34
I just see small town, you know, like you guys are just fighting back. 01:14:39
And you have gripes and but let's just not have everybody on the county pay for. But it's essentially your. I'm, I'm sorry, don't 01:14:45
mean to interrupt. I just wanted to say this like from the deep down bottom of my heart, I know. 01:14:51
Probably 90% of the workers at the Co-op, and none of us have any. I mean, our Co-op workers are rock stars. Like those lineman, 01:14:58
those guys, they're bad dudes. 01:15:03
Yeah, like they're they're awesome. The only, I mean like any issues that I'm not speaking for everybody else but with me or just 01:15:10
like administrative decisions that at that level I promise you the the most complaints I get are from the lineman about the Co-op. 01:15:17
The thing is I I really think that you got. I really wish you guys would work this out. 01:15:26
You know, in a civil war, Mr. Legend, unless, unless there's any other comments from the council, maybe call the question on this 01:15:31
discussion the mayor Pro Tem. 01:15:35
We appreciate your comments. I had the lack of clarity and I think I understand the issue a lot better. 01:15:42
I think he's talked to Warden McCartney. Have you talked to him? Your representative up there? No, That's your trustee. 01:15:51
Talk to him, yeah, And see what he thinks of the call, because they've already censored him to even come into the executive 01:15:57
session because he made a comment that he did. He supposedly leaked something to me. 01:16:03
Talk to Ward. 01:16:09
OK, I'll do that. Here's your representative Trustee. Yeah, well, I can find them. I can find anyone. That's how he is. 01:16:11
Telephone number calling. 01:16:20
I will do that because that's the kind of investigation you need to do instead of calling us small. 01:16:23
Not. 01:16:29
Well, we love the small town. We got a terrific university. We've got a great Pascale Apache. Somebody's knocking on the door. 01:16:32
I just wanted to say I appreciate you coming to wrap up with that. I mean we want to comment. 01:16:42
Come on guys. Anyone else? 01:16:54
But again, again, the apprehension thing is important. 01:16:58
The cost of the county. 01:17:02
Cost about service, those are the two things I think we're very concerned about everybody in the county. 01:17:03
I don't think they should be concerned about in the city because their rates will go down. 01:17:09
And you can just look at their income tax return. I'll make that public poll or put it on the link. 01:17:15
And you see what their administrative. 01:17:21
Look at the administrative costs that the city will not incur because we already have a billing service. 01:17:24
We already have accounts receivable collections. 01:17:30
And if you. 01:17:33
Administrative service. They're in the. 01:17:34
And that's a very if you're going to investigate and you want to look into things. 01:17:38
Instead of just a feeling good thing, look into their income tax returns on 20/22 and and and also the audit from the PRC and 01:17:43
we'll put that on the link. 01:17:47
Our budget is our budget. 01:17:53
On the link City budget is already on. The link in those documents are visible on our website. 01:17:56
Again, you're looking at just for industrial, we're trying to, you're looking at just the industrial. 01:18:03
Customers, we're trying to lookout for everybody in the community. That's great. Mr. Park, last question. So when you meet with 01:18:08
this meeting that's coming up with tri-state and Guzman, are you guys exploring options to find more rates for the community at 01:18:13
that time? 01:18:17
We're going to listen to Guzman here. I'm out. See where where the rubber makes the road. 01:18:23
The counselor. The process was that Guzman reached out to them. 01:18:30
And they kindly accepted the invitation. OK, but the but the it's kind of an administrative meeting. 01:18:35
And so they're going to have their CEO from tri-state. 01:18:42
Jeff Height, who's the vice president of Gus Guzman in Denver. He'll. 01:18:45
I'm hoping I'm invited. If not, I don't want to mess things up, but I think it's a good progress for them to come and meet. 01:18:50
Mr. Salami, I'm sorry. 01:19:00
Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, What did you say, Mr. Mayor, I would just ask that if the councillors are planning on attending that 01:19:04
meeting. No, no, no. Just so we can. I'm not inviting the councillors, but the Co-op is inviting me. It'll be at one of our open 01:19:09
meetings. 01:19:14
OK, you guys still trying to wiggle it on, I swear, I tell you. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor. 01:19:22
I would still like to know in case we have to meet. Once we get the dates, we'll let you all. 01:19:29
It was set for yesterday was the 16th. 01:19:35
So. 01:19:42
There you go again. You know you're you're going to invite the whole council to that meeting. 01:19:44
Aren't they members of the cooperative? 01:19:51
The trustees I'm coming to, yeah, there'll be a board meeting, open board meeting. 01:19:53
Not a separate meeting? Well, they weren't to meet with the entire board. 01:19:58
And all transparency we do this with, with all our people. 01:20:05
Thank you for not saying anything. 01:20:10
Thank you for coming. 01:20:14
Spoke here at the beginning. 01:20:16
Now we appreciate you. Thanks a lot burning. We appreciate. We appreciate you coming and you know we're we're one big city here 01:20:19
Mr. Mayor. Yes Sir my last, my last request if the council does plan on attending to let us know as soon as possible so we can 01:20:24
meet any advertising requirements. 01:20:29
OK, whatever Mister man. I will make a motion that we pass resolution #24-01-16, the CDBG federal requirements. 01:20:36
Move to 2nd And just to let you know that Mister Monet. 01:20:46
Got himself. 01:20:50
How much a million to? 01:20:52
Right now it's 750,000 with an option to apply for over cost overruns up to 440,000. So it'll be. 01:20:54
That's what I see the BG is. 01:21:05
Mr. Mayor, did we, Did we approve that? 01:21:11
The important one engineering service City of Park renovation proposal is from side Southwest. Thank you for coming. 01:21:16
We thought their design and other stuff that we read in their proposal was great. 01:21:23
He can. Denny can elaborate a little bit. 01:21:28
They also know the area quite a bit and they have a good relationship with people in the areas We felt real comfortable with them 01:21:32
take a motion, so moved. 01:21:36
Aye, and opposed, OK, this anymore new business? 01:21:41
Mr. Mayor. 01:21:46
Deborah did along the meetings. I know we've been here a long time, but I received an anonymous letter in the mail. 01:21:48
Did not have a name or signature, so. 01:21:55
How to address the validity of it? So it's kind of like addressing gossip. However, since we are in the new year, I I would like 01:21:58
us to review a hiring policy when it comes to. 01:22:03
Hiring relatives. We're a small town, so we know that everyone's related. 01:22:09
And then additionally, I like to for us to review our procurement procedures and what our thresholds are when we go out to bid. 01:22:16
And when is it OK just to pick up the phone and call an electrician and say, hey, I need we need help with something or a 01:22:23
contractor to do work, so can we just have someone? 01:22:28
OK. Well, number one, we do have a nepotism policy. If they're not working, if they're working directly under somebody, they're 01:22:34
not allowed to be hired. And we try to keep to that. 01:22:39
The amount of money that we can actually give somebody as a contractor without making three phone calls is what? 01:22:46
So to. 01:22:54
Over 60 / 60,000 we have to go up for bids, so up. 01:22:56
Yeah, formal bids and. 01:23:01
Then it's 3. 01:23:03
And then under 20 is. 01:23:06
And then picking up the phone to call a former electrician or a roofer. 01:23:10
We do that all the time because we have problems, so that's already in. 01:23:16
Now we go by state people, I understand. 01:23:21
If there's if there's a if there's a violation of that rule, I'd be more than happy to have the council approach me on it and 01:23:23
we'll see what I can do. 01:23:28
We cannot find people to work. 01:23:33
And as long as there is no und. 01:23:36
Coercion and we have other candidates. 01:23:41
We try to follow that. 01:23:44
But I'm probably not. I don't have lots of relatives though, so Mr. 01:23:48
Mr. Mayor, Councillor Dean, also during the voucher process, those vouchers are reviewed by 4 different people and signed off for 01:23:54
by 4 different people, and that they're not on the state contract, will stop the voucher and make sure they follow the state 01:23:59
procurement code. 01:24:03
Thank you. 01:24:09
And we have an icon. 01:24:12
That people can use city of. 01:24:14
That they can respond. 01:24:17
Anytime they want directly to administration. 01:24:19
I'm just going to say and some of the letters we get, sometime people are free to make accusations, name names, but when it comes 01:24:22
time for them to identify themselves as a citizen. 01:24:28
So it's. 01:24:37
And the question? 01:24:43
No. And the state of New Mexico has probably one of the top procurement codes in the nation. So a lot of other states follow the 01:24:50
New Mexico State procurement code because it is so thorough. 01:24:56
That's one thing I can oppose. 01:25:03
I don't know if it'd be old or new, but we addressed it last time about the. 01:25:08
Jill and me being with the county, so I made a couple calls to Joe Gonzalez and John Aguilar. 01:25:13
About us potentially using or start some conversation about the. 01:25:21
We're having a transport. 01:25:27
Juvenile Detention center helping to transport those kids to Farmington and potentially the city, working with the county and 01:25:30
utilizing the building. 01:25:33
So that you know, they said that they were get back to us on it. So I just wanted to let people know followed up on it. 01:25:37
It's difficult. 01:25:45
Mr. 01:25:47
I'm wonderful business. Today is the first day of was opening day at the legislature and I didn't see it in the voucher run, but 01:25:49
do we have lobbyists this year? 01:25:54
We have actually potential of. 01:26:00
We had Jay and Mateka Santianas. 01:26:03
We have Justin. 01:26:07
And we may end up having Sippy if you can do what I asked him to do, Sofia. 01:26:09
So there's three. I'm asking Sophie to look at the meeting with the governor, setting up a meeting with the governor and the 01:26:14
Department of Cultural Affairs to help us with the help us with the museum community. We've asked for 250,000 and to move the 01:26:21
monument, that's 250,000. 01:26:27
We've asked Justin. We're having a short run Montanaris. 01:26:33
Was supposed to be. 01:26:39
With the now are we are we are they going to be in a contractor, is that are we extending? 01:26:42
Is this all potential ones or is this potential? Well, we've signed Sophie, but there's a deliverable. He has to deliver that 01:26:48
before he gets paid. But Justin Reese has been with us for. 01:26:53
And Jay and Mateka have been with us for five years, four or five. 01:26:58
Mr. Mayor, that's under 70,000, which is professional services in the procurement code, so it doesn't have to come to the council 01:27:06
for 60,000 for approval. But that's not something like it was like 6000 total on the voucher on it so. 01:27:13
SJR which is Justin, Richard or JSR? 01:27:21
Whatever it is I should have, I should have explained that to you. Justin was the previous Cabinet secretary for Department of 01:27:26
Transportation. 01:27:30
And he's helped. 01:27:34
For getting us monies for Rd. 01:27:36
A lot. And we did renew, does Mateka and Jays. We did renew that one. Yes, Sir. And nothing changed in the deliverables. And we 01:27:39
did because I know in the past we've gotten the contract on that one before before the session started. I just didn't know if 01:27:45
anything had changed on that one again, because I will even know that to you tomorrow. But I did that administratively. 01:27:52
And then we have, if I'm in Santa Fe, like, at least I can be like, there's a lot of cross, but there's three, yeah. 01:27:59
And do we have like a list of items that we're going to go to the registration? We only have three, three things, three things. 01:28:08
Finley is a big one. 01:28:13
And representative had hopefully assured us that a million is would. 01:28:18
Then we've done the two things with the museum and the movement of the structure. 01:28:24
And sound system at the rodeo, Sound system at the rodeo and landscaping our highway exits. 01:28:29
And. 01:28:38
Yeah, exactly. The 1st, 12 and a match for the lights at. 01:28:42
$2,000,000 for a spec building at the Eagle. 01:28:47
To try to get some, I will e-mail what we provided our lobbyists to the Council tomorrow, but just to finish on council games 01:28:51
question. 01:28:55
Justin, invoices should be monthly unless we missed a month with I think we did get behind a month and lately Jay and Mateika have 01:29:01
been billing us quarterly so you won't see it. The procurement is, is it, is there a monthly limit or is it a total yearly limit 01:29:07
of it's an annual limit, it's an annual limit or actually it's a contract limit? 01:29:13
Contract. So as long as the contracts for less than the threshold, they're good, but these obviously are annual. 01:29:19
And under an old business too, we're planning on having a ground breaking for. 01:29:27
Project over there by the hospital, but we're going to try and do it after the legislative session. 01:29:34
OK, Mr. Mayor invited the governor. I am. 01:29:40
That's why. 01:29:45
Good, good. Mr. Mayor. Old business. Yes, Sir. Any progress on the food truck ordinance stuff that we dealt with? 01:29:48
Haven't really, it's been kind of a, it'll be simple. Yeah, right. No, just curious just I think what we're trying to figure out 01:29:57
and I think somebody, I don't know if Chris mentioned it or somebody mentioned it, we already have an ordinance and whether we 01:30:04
want to do a new ordinance or just amend the existing ordinance. 01:30:10
I think that was a big question. And Mister man, I've been out for a couple weeks with the holidays and some personal stuff, so 01:30:18
I've I've got my To Do List in my notes. 01:30:22
OK, no problem. We don't care. I know it's my second meeting. I've missed in almost eight years. OK, all right. But we will. And 01:30:28
then if are you going to go to Aztec? 01:30:33
I am, yeah. I reached out. Denver. I called him, left a message for him. 01:30:39
Not yet. Make sure you get ahold of Mr. Louise. 01:30:46
And see if you'll be available this weekend for our counsel. 01:30:48
All right. 01:31:01
Job. 01:31:02
What's that executive session? No executive session, I take it? No, I don't know. We just had one. 01:31:04
Okay. 01:31:11
See something? Am I sweating or is it hot in here? 01:31:15
Donald. 01:31:21
Daniel Monette, there's a job description you wanted. 01:31:24
Well, actually Lawrence had one, but if they're under the range, so I pulled it off. 01:31:27
Well, OK. And you know, Speaking of Speaking of the chief. 01:31:33
Just that he had somebody with COVID. I'm going to extend the COVID vacation policy. 01:31:39
Work for people that are getting COVID that they would stay home at least five days. 01:31:43
So we. 01:31:49
Personnel changes. We got a bunch of destinators promoted to captain. Jedi Angel. Fire to Lieutenant Matthew Holloway. Motion to 01:31:53
Lieutenant Humberto Lucero's salary adjustment from fire to the captain. Daniel Pacheco, Fire captain. 01:32:01
Thomas Padilla, fire recruit. 01:32:09
And gave social fire Lieutenant. Then we. 01:32:11
Lando Montoya groundskeeper Neil hire Fabian Gas new Hire Simon Ramirez, police station police officer. 01:32:16
Certification. 01:32:26
Make a motion to approve the personnel change list as presented. 01:32:29
One favorite? Aye. Then we have Forgive Me Not Veterans Center, 705 D. 01:32:34
Looks and Scott, Veteran Services, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Business Registrations as presented. 01:32:40
All in favor, aye, opposed. 01:32:49
Thank you everybody. Thank you for being here, directors. 01:32:52
That's the way to show the coop that we've got directors. 01:32:56
February 6th. Next meeting. 01:33:01
Thank you everybody. February 6th. 01:33:06
It's not a holiday or something single. 01:33:09
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Mayor Basker, Councillor Travis. 00:00:00
Councillor Dean, Councillor Fleming, Councillor Ocampo Councillor. 00:00:05
Councillor Partridge here, Councillor Romero here Answer Salome here, we have a quorum. 00:00:13
All right for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:19
Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 00:00:25
justice for all. 00:00:31
I did. I did the roll call for you. 00:00:43
Mr. 00:00:46
No, no, no time will we approve the consent agenda. 00:00:48
It's not good under discussion. I just want to let you know. 00:00:52
This Rodeo Complex and the Rodeo complex Grant Ruby you want to Is that the $900,000 grant? 00:00:57
So just to let you know that we did get 900. 00:01:05
23,123 thousand 923,000 for the rodeo complex. 00:01:09
Successful quality of life. Yes, the quality of life. Grant, it's a bar #20. 00:01:15
And we just. 00:01:20
Let a $600,000 contract to do the site covers. 00:01:22
So that's already rolling and whatever money we have left. 00:01:28
We look for the gas heaters. 00:01:32
And possibly. 00:01:34
The sound system. 00:01:36
Although we did ask for the sound system from the legisl. 00:01:41
Thank you. I didn't know the exact number. 00:01:45
But, but, but we did get that money. Any other discussion on this? 00:01:47
Mr. Yes, What? 00:01:52
They basically what's happening to the old sound? 00:01:56
You know, you know, we went to milling stadium. 00:02:01
When we started this whole thing, must have been seven years ago or 8-9 years ago we went to Mooney Stadium. 00:02:06
And the God showed us a sound system at. 00:02:13
And we said oh. 00:02:16
Turns out inside the Rodeo arena. 00:02:18
It's not so great and you know from wrestling and and from rodeo, it's terrible. 00:02:21
And we spent a pretty good money with it. It's up in the crows. 00:02:26
But it's it's just terrible. I just know that then they hardwired every wire so. 00:02:30
If I could change anything out if something goes down. 00:02:38
Mr. Parker, are they retractable here? The sites, are they? No, we couldn't get the retractable ones. It'll be just these are 00:02:43
going to be like pro panel and solid, OK? Especially where that blue is. 00:02:48
Right. And then it'll come down to the building on. 00:02:54
Building side and on the rodeo side on the chutes will come down 2/3 of the way. 00:02:57
And then on the. 00:03:03
He'll come down all the way. 00:03:05
And then we also, like I said, we're also going to talk about the gas heaters. 00:03:07
So we'll have, I think we'll have pretty good money to do that and the whole idea is to have events in the winter. 00:03:12
And also in the in the windy season in March and April, when the when the Windsors is terrible and the retractable we couldn't get 00:03:19
because they were more expensive or they were more expensive and they were. 00:03:25
They're just too flimsy. 00:03:32
You know, it's just, you know, they're rolling down, they've just and there was a chance, you know that. 00:03:34
The mechanisms would. 00:03:40
Be a. 00:03:42
But this will be a big it will be a big change, big change. And Mr. Mayor, the state has kind of tied our hands. We didn't get 00:03:44
notice of this till the end of December or the end of November, and we have to have the money spent by June 30th. And I asked for 00:03:51
clarification from the state if it only has to be encumbered or if the money has to be spent. And I have not heard back. 00:03:57
At least we'll spend what we can as quick as. 00:04:06
OK. That was just a feeling. All in favor? 00:04:10
We're down to the public forum. Anybody that is not on the agenda would like to make a comment from public forum. Yes Sir. 00:04:14
Tell us who you are and what's your. 00:04:21
Yes, Sir. 00:04:26
Oh, it's been my. 00:04:30
Thank you for letting me speak here tonight. 00:04:39
I've just recently returned as a choral. 00:04:44
You know, last July or August. 00:04:48
And could you tell us your name, please? Oh, my name is John Walker. I live on 505 Fish here in. 00:04:51
OK. 00:04:59
Sorry. 00:05:02
I've noticed I like to ride my bike all around town. 00:05:04
And one of the things I've noticed since returning here is that big empty Smiths building and. 00:05:08
All the time I've been here, I think. How can we make something into this? And item number one was? 00:05:18
Build an emergency shelter for overflow of citizens, not just from Socorro, but there's a big fire disaster in one of our 00:05:25
neighboring states or even down in Chihuahua, Mexico, you know? 00:05:32
There, there could be some eliminated capacity made. 00:05:40
To. 00:05:45
Another plan I had was an EMS First Responder Supplement, supplemental training and. 00:05:47
Equipment storage. 00:05:55
So that items such As for this first one could be. 00:05:57
Stashed away. 00:06:06
In stock thing is owned by another company and. 00:06:09
Have you? It's owned by a marijuana company. 00:06:14
OK. Do you know the ownership but? 00:06:18
The people who maintain it, yeah, So we have contacted them about keeping it up and they had windows broken, glass broken, and 00:06:25
they put plywood up, but they won't tell us what their future is with that. So it's it's, it is owned by someone. 00:06:34
Alright, I leave here, please. 00:06:43
I had a few other points. Of course. I'm sorry. Yeah, of course. I just wanted to. I just wanted to attend to each one as you will 00:06:45
in the defense are chief. In the last issue we they were talking about juvenile criminal issues. 00:06:52
And uh. 00:07:00
A facility such as this. 00:07:02
And be retrofitted. 00:07:04
Set up. 00:07:08
Shelter for more vulnerable residents that are subject to. 00:07:10
Bullying or *** harassment or? 00:07:16
They could easily fall back and you know the rate of. 00:07:19
Recidivism, you know, juvenile facilities. Excellent idea. 00:07:25
Workstations for education, a basketball and volleyball court. You know, physical activity, you know even a little. A boxing and 00:07:35
and yoga training center, where where where people would be. 00:07:42
Taught in. 00:07:50
These. 00:07:54
You know, under supervision. 00:07:54
And so on and so forth. You know, computers, books. 00:07:57
Another lastly, adult criminal criminal issues. 00:08:01
Or perhaps some adults that are on the way out of the criminal justice system. 00:08:07
Or even low risk. 00:08:14
Your minimum security. 00:08:19
Could be transitioned through there to help them get back into society. 00:08:23
111 thing that it kind of affects me a little bit is that. 00:08:29
When I lived in Elko County, Nevada, for example. 00:08:37
Near at the Wells Minimum Security Facility in Elko County. 00:08:43
They had a Nevada Division of Forestry as well as the US Forest Service had a training program to train a wildland firefighters. 00:08:50
And some of them were able. 00:09:02
Later, after they finished their thing here. 00:09:06
Well, even And then I recall more personally when when my wife or my ex-wife now and and I, we lived in Douglas, Texas, we had a 00:09:10
small livestock operation. 00:09:15
But during the years of 2011, 2012, we had a really disastrous drought with record-breaking temperatures, something like over over 00:09:21
80 days straight. You know, we're. 00:09:29
And then there was, of course, lightning caused F. 00:09:37
And we had we had a big 10,000 acre. 00:09:41
Fire in the Angelina base. 00:09:46
That came within about a mile of our place and and the Texas Department of Public Safety was able to. 00:09:48
Issue us a red flag notice to get out of there and we evacuated. 00:09:57
In a controlled fashion with our trailer and we're able to move all our livestock. 00:10:02
Onto the Nacogdoches County Fairgrounds and and the people that helped set that up, or inmates from the left in jail in Angelina 00:10:09
County, so. 00:10:16
This is where inmates. 00:10:24
Be used for community service? 00:10:26
A lot of great ideas. 00:10:30
Can we send a letter to the people who own the building and ask them what they're planning to do with the building and maybe make 00:10:33
some of these suggestions that they might be able to incorporate? But I but I have to tell you that the copper, the electrical, 00:10:38
everything's been stripped out of there by vandals. 00:10:43
But, but I like your ideas. I just. I'm not sure that I can do anything because we don't own the building, OK? Because one one 00:10:49
final thing I had in mind was. 00:10:53
For the last 20 years. 00:11:00
I've been inventing stuff. 00:11:04
And one of my inventions. 00:11:06
Solar. 00:11:10
Using concentrated solar power to desalinate electricity and also. 00:11:12
To desalinate seawater and and generate electricity using the seawater as the working media. 00:11:21
But anyway, the solar science that I use in my invention which is in the US patent. 00:11:29
It's, it's been issued. 00:11:37
US patent back in 2021. 00:11:39
That's a that's a yeah, deserialization is a big issue in New Mexico. I know the brackish water and I think the governor, show us 00:11:42
some of your, if you could give me a little background. Absolutely. 00:11:48
Or and because finally what I googled the map but over Smith and I was able to figure out the area. 00:11:54
And it came out to be just almost 1/2 an acre of rooftops space. 00:12:04
But you're. 00:12:12
Some quick quick calculations from my formulas I had for my other research. 00:12:15
And and estimating for. 00:12:23
Winter power generation. 00:12:25
Well, you're you're, you're, you're. So your solar insulation comes out to about 500 watts per square meter. 00:12:28
But I separated the array. 00:12:41
So there's no mutual blocking, no mutual shading by the course, and I've got 10 arrays that's up there. 00:12:44
Have a potential 300. 00:12:55
Almost 302 kilowatts. OK, why don't you give us your contact and maybe we can meet sometime in the office? Oh absolutely. And then 00:12:57
of course, in in the summertime. 00:13:03
Well, you're because you're. 00:13:08
Your insulation's higher with a higher. 00:13:12
Right. And the longer days, I got 505 kilowatts, that's a lot of power. 00:13:14
Sitting on an empty roof up there. 00:13:21
And I've got 3 copies of this, you know, plus whatever I got at home. 00:13:28
If anybody else wants the two other copies, I'd be glad. 00:13:36
To take some home with them. 00:13:42
I don't know. 00:13:45
Gentlemen, you can have a seat. 00:13:52
You kind of look a little honoree over there. 00:13:54
Under is the word I. 00:13:58
Andre, I did. 00:14:00
Anyone else that's not on the agenda would like to make the comment. 00:14:06
That is on the agenda, Sir, and I'll let you talk one day when we get to that agenda point. I'm over here. 00:14:23
Oh, I'm sorry, but why don't we let you talk when the that is on the agenda? 00:14:31
That's the next thing on the agenda, actually. OK. So we'll bring you up when you have something to say about that, because I want 00:14:37
to let the court, they're here, let them speak first and then we'll have anyone else who wants to make a comment. Thank you for 00:14:42
coming. 00:14:46
Anyone else? 00:14:53
Very good. 00:14:57
We shall then go on super electric coop. It has to be on the agenda as franchise agreement discussion. Gentlemen, I'm not sure 00:14:59
who's going to make the presentation, but I'd be happy to have you. 00:15:03
****. Good evening, Reverend Bhasker. 00:15:09
Mayor City. 00:15:14
My name is Leroy. 00:15:16
I'm the chairman of SCORE Electric Cooperative Cooperative Cooperative. 00:15:18
Here with Joseph Herrera and is the CEO Manager. 00:15:21
And Director of Communications and Public Affairs Chair Williams. 00:15:26
We need to follow up. 00:15:31
The proposal for a franchise agreement that we brought to. 00:15:34
A serious so. 00:15:39
In July 5th, 2023. 00:15:42
Counselor. 00:15:47
Said that she had no problem extending the franchise agreement because. 00:15:49
The residential. 00:15:54
Was it would not be ready by May 2024. 00:15:56
Councillor Romero said he'd be OK with extending the franchise agreement you have to see these days. 00:16:01
Of course. 00:16:08
Councillor Chavez Lopez AG. 00:16:11
And ask that we keep communication with the city. 00:16:13
And the court. 00:16:17
Could keep everything going. 00:16:19
An agreed upon franchise agreement would protect all. 00:16:22
And keep them. 00:16:26
This recommend Joseph. 00:16:29
Council members, thank you for pronouncing the agenda. 00:16:34
And you know, COPE the Corps to get Corporate Citizen of the city's decorum service area. 00:16:38
Where an employer we have concern for the. 00:16:45
You know, terminating the Collapse franchise agreement will hurt the members inside the city and outside the city. 00:16:49
We're here to ask, you know, to follow up on that July 5th meeting of reasonably extending the franchise agreement. 00:16:56
That does not involve requiring the City of Socorro to give up or sell its facilities to the city. 00:17:04
And it will. This is an attempt to avoid an expensive endeavor and to keep everyone whole so we can do good for the community and 00:17:12
not create unnecessary expenses. 00:17:19
If the city does not agree to the franchise will. 00:17:26
Attempt to penalize the coop, which then penalizes its members. 00:17:30
And what are the goals of terminating the franchise agreement if the city is not prepared in the near future to serve? 00:17:35
The commercial, especially the residential members. 00:17:44
The damage of terminating and finding the core? That's just going to hurt. 00:17:48
All members electric customers of the Co. 00:17:54
And we just want to work with the city, continued dialogue and follow up on the communication that we had in July. 00:17:58
Yeah, it won't hurt the. 00:18:06
Because the city has plans and we. 00:18:08
As Council Member Romero. 00:18:11
Don't mind extending the franchise as long as. 00:18:15
Continue with your endeavor to create a city utility for for the S Corridor. 00:18:18
And we just want to follow up on that because that is what. 00:18:25
Here today. 00:18:30
Mr. Earl. 00:18:33
I've never made any. 00:18:34
Statement for that back to anybody. 00:18:36
I don't know, but anyway, I don't agree with what they're saying. So there's a scoring by the July 5th meeting. 00:18:43
What's the Mr. header you made a comment about the. 00:18:49
Subsequent. 00:18:56
Once the franchise is terminated, as the judge had ordered. 00:18:57
And in May 24th, because you guys brought it up that you wanted it adjudicated as. 00:19:03
When the franchise agreement was going to be terminated, what is your comment about what happened subsequent to that as far as the 00:19:09
coop is? 00:19:13
Well, the reason we went there was because we received notice of trespass from the city of Socorro. So that's why that's not my 00:19:19
question. My question is what are you making a comment? Are you saying that the club is going to then quit providing electricity 00:19:24
after the termination of the contract? 00:19:29
No, no. What I'm saying is the answer is you'll continue providing electricity to your footprint. 00:19:35
After the finish. 00:19:42
Franchise agree. 00:19:45
In May of 2024, yes, we're going to continue to provide service, OK. So that that thread is not real that you're going to, there's 00:19:46
something disastrous going to happen after the franchise agreement is finished. 00:19:52
So then can you tell us what will happen? Right. I'm going to get to that, but I'm trying to just respond to what you just comment 00:19:58
you made that it could be something that could happen to. 00:20:03
Residents and to the area when the franchise agreement is terminated and I've got documents. 00:20:08
Saying that the coop is the one who brought it up and I think the Council has those documents. 00:20:14
I don't know we can put them up there, but the council has those documents at the Co-op initiated. 00:20:19
The Court The Court Dec. 00:20:25
Asking to firm up when that franchise agreement was going to be over, then the judge made an order stating that the franchise 00:20:29
agreement and there it is right there it. 00:20:34
In exchange for dismissal of the 1st and 2nd claims for relief with prejudice, the 1999 Franchise Agreement will remain in full 00:20:40
force and effective through May 17th, 2024. SEC may continue and so forth. This was brought by you, not the city. 00:20:50
The court. 00:21:00
And that was in response to the city's letter of notice of trespass that we had been trespassed. 00:21:03
On March 18th of 2018, we received notice from the city that we're going to be in trespassive and March of 2018 as of January 1st 00:21:08
of 2020. That's why we have to go to the court. And so you brought that action. So that caused the reaction, but I just want to 00:21:14
establish. 00:21:20
That the court has already given. 00:21:27
Ruling that this franchise agreement will terminate May 17, 2024. 00:21:31
That agreement. 00:21:37
Then either can be amended or terminated or it can go month to month depending on some of the information we'll get from our 00:21:39
consultants as to how we're going to proceed and what it's going to cost. 00:21:45
Well, Mr. Mayor, I just want, because I don't just to clarify, I think what you're saying, right, is that. 00:21:52
Because the coop, and possibly the community doesn't know what the city has in mind, that in the event that the franchise 00:21:59
agreement terminates, that people just want to know that there's that there is in fact a plan, not that everything is going to be 00:22:04
shut off. 00:22:09
And there isn't going to be a disaster is that is that is that clarifying that more what you're saying. Well what we're saying is 00:22:15
that you know when the city tried to prematurely terminate the franchise agreement, there was unknowns. We're trying to get these 00:22:22
unknowns out ahead of time. Before May of of 2024 for the the ruling that ruling was when. 00:22:29
Wasn't this year that ruling has been? 00:22:37
At least a year, 2022. Yeah, two years, right? 00:22:40
So the comment that Mister Legan just made, I don't know if you're at the meeting last week, but we have already got an 00:22:45
engineering preliminary engineering plan for a substation. We're getting a cost arrangement in that preliminary engineering plant. 00:22:51
There's also an expansion for the rest of the city. 00:22:56
And we're just waiting to see what the cost will be. And your public information officer is always making fun of me being America 00:23:03
compared to a dog. Being a mayor better than myself doesn't add anything to this conversation. 00:23:10
Mr. William, take a look at your Facebook page right there. You know and you know, but it's on record. 00:23:18
Yeah, it's not record, Mr. Williams, but by. 00:23:26
You know the bottom line. 00:23:29
We're moving ahead. We're looking at. 00:23:32
We're also going to ask you some questions. I've given the the council your income tax return from 2020. 00:23:35
You've got $42 million or so of. 00:23:41
I'm going to ask you from 1988 how much it was that spent in the city of. 00:23:44
I'm going to ask you about your. 00:23:49
About your credits that you've. 00:23:51
The tri-state at about 10:50. 00:23:54
And I'm going to see if you terminate with tri-state what's going to happen with. 00:23:58
And I know on the 16th you're going to. 00:24:02
Guzman and tri-state and your CEO and I'm hopefully I'm going to be invited on the 16th. 00:24:05
So we're moving ahead with a lot of this. Mr. Hanetta, I don't know if this is annoying to you, but Mr. Height is been our 00:24:10
consultant and he's confirmed that you will probably have a meeting and I've asked him if he would invite me. So we're moving 00:24:15
ahead. 00:24:19
With a lot of the stuff that you view and your public information officer threatening the city. 00:24:24
And I think that we're and and kind of along the lines around confirm as well too is I I I just wanted to see I think I can 00:24:31
remember if it was a. 00:24:35
Where it was, but I would, and I remember I had requested that. I just want to see what a good. 00:24:40
Solid franchise agreement would look like that our consult that our attorneys then miss winners that said that she has been that 00:24:46
she's established and she has built for other communities. 00:24:52
And I think that that's what I personally, I can't speak for the other counselors would like to see of what a good solid. 00:24:58
Franchise agreement would look like not the one that they presented to us because I agree that that is not a good franchise 00:25:04
agreement. 00:25:08
But what a good, solid franchise. That's what. I don't know. That's that's what I would been. I had requested in the past. I will 00:25:11
ask them to bring that. 00:25:15
Personally, as a matter, I'm not interested in making this franchise agreement permanent. 00:25:20
It may need to be extended, I agree with you, maybe a year, maybe five years, it may be need to be extended. It can't be for 25 00:25:25
years and and it'll have to have certain things such as explaining to us. 00:25:31
How much money actually has been spent in the city of Socorro for the million for debt service that you pay every year and make us 00:25:36
pay? All that information needs to be gathered and we'll put that with what councillor is asking for. We'll put that to you and 00:25:42
bring that to you and and I would like to see. 00:25:47
What I would like to say personally is the coop. 00:25:53
Getting away from tri-state who, who? 00:25:56
I would never. The CEO is going to be here, too. Get away from them. Go to Guzman. Like half a dozen people in southern Colorado 00:25:59
and Aztec, Bloomfield. Rat. 00:26:05
All getting their stuff from Guzman. I'm very happy with it and would say everybody money and I would hope you get your capital 00:26:10
credits back over 20 years so you can pay for some of that buy out. But those are the things we can talk about. The City Council 00:26:16
meeting isn't the place to do it. Facebook, Mr. Williams is not the place to do it. And and you know, I think the important thing 00:26:22
is to continue the conversation. I think I'm glad you're here. 00:26:28
Well, Mr. Mayor, what we're here to talk about is Los Angeles. You would have a franchise and and here we are seven months later. 00:26:34
The franchise agreement that was not accepting that was the starting point that was something my starting point was seven years 00:26:44
ago when I gave seven things that I needed to have you do and you never. I think that we were making good progress on this right 00:26:49
now. I think you guys are. I think it's good that he's agreed that. I mean I think that you guys. 00:26:54
My personal opinion, again, I think you guys have said enough in a way that I think he's agreeable to what he said that if we can 00:27:00
get us a franchise agreement, what would it look like? If there is a possible extension, there would be an extension. But I think 00:27:06
that speaking, I mean what's what's done on Facebook in my opinion is on call for as well too. 00:27:13
Mr. 00:27:20
OK, we're trying to work in unison here. We're trying to make things happen. Me personally too. And. 00:27:21
OK, well, it doesn't matter. That's doesn't. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. 00:27:29
Regardless, we're trying to make good progress here. That's all I have to say, Mr. Parkers. 00:27:34
Just to clarify the franchise agreement, you know when I met with you guys that's to provide access for. 00:27:40
The support electric Co-op to go into city premises to repair poles fix poles that. 00:27:47
That's a piece of it, right. And that's and the benefit of that is just so that we can keep things going without. 00:27:54
The Co-op didn't go to the city. Nashville commissioner going. 00:28:02
Their property all the time. Does that sound accurate? 00:28:05
Real estate payment in lieu of taxes. What they're using is our real estate to put their poles on, to generate revenue, even 00:28:13
though they're nonprofit. 00:28:17
That franchise agreement is 2%. It's about $120,000 a year. 00:28:23
More or less so. So they don't. 00:28:27
They don't pay that just for access, but they pay that initially 1956. 00:28:31
When the city gave them the franchise to provide elect. 00:28:38
In the city of. 00:28:41
Access to public property, but also to place their poles on there. 00:28:43
Mr. 00:28:51
Salami. 00:28:53
Mr. Mayor, you know, as you said in 1956, the the municipal incorporated municipality has the statutory authority and the 00:28:55
responsibility to provide utilities to their constituents. OK, so in 1956, City Council and the mayor decided to. 00:29:06
Let the Co-op perform that duty for the city, right? So it's still the cities responsibility to provide utility services to our 00:29:17
community to the incorporated municipality. 00:29:23
You've done that? 00:29:30
And as things have transpired over time, we don't think that as as a as a council and as a mayor and as an administration, we 00:29:32
don't think that the Co-op has provided the service at the quality and at the price. 00:29:40
That we. 00:29:49
Is deserving of our community. 00:29:51
OK. 00:29:54
I'm not saying Mr. Adeta, it's not Mr. It is fault what Marianne came up with right before Covad. We wanted to make a have a 00:29:56
system where we would discuss and have discussions with other. 00:30:02
Agencies, for example, the Board of trustees, right? Mr. Edna answers to the Board of Trustees, The Superintendent asks. Answers 00:30:10
to the school board. 00:30:15
The county committee, the county manager answers to the county Commission. The the City of Sequoia Mayor answers to the community 00:30:20
of Socorro. 00:30:25
You know, like one of the superintendents that I workforce had real. 00:30:30
With, with quality and with with gusto, he said. You know what it takes to be the Superintendent of schools, 3 votes. 00:30:36
So we're not saying that Mister is the face of these problems, of the issues. You know what we look at the broader picture. You 00:30:43
know, things have transpired and commercial rates have gone high. It hasn't. It has deterred businesses from coming into the coral 00:30:50
to grow and to allow. 00:30:57
Growth places for our our youth to work things of that nature and it's been stifled. You know why? Because they can go down to Los 00:31:06
Lunas and pay 5% a kWh. 00:31:12
Why would they come here that their businesses and places that provide manufacturing, you know our service industries they can 00:31:18
provide that they can, they can pay the electricity bill because they can pass it on to the to the customer, very simple, but a 00:31:26
manufacturing something that has strong potential to grow the community. 00:31:33
They will come here. It's just too expensive. So we initially and 13 years ago, I believe, I wasn't on the council at the time, 00:31:41
wanted to have a discussion how can we work with the coop to bring down those rates, encourage commercial and and industrial 00:31:48
businesses to come to our industrial park which is built by the city of the Coral. Well, how can we do that? And there was, 00:31:55
there's been a long term of silence and a long term of disgruntled. 00:32:02
People were getting disgruntled and personalities were conflicting with each other, so I think that. 00:32:10
You know, Mr. Herrera is the manager, that he's not the face of this issue. You know what Mr. Adeta is? Is is doing what he thinks 00:32:19
is right for the Co-op. But there's board of trustees that have to say, hey, hey, hey, hold on here, guys. Hold on here. Mr. 00:32:26
Edetta, we need to work with our community just like the school board. Hey, hey, Superintendent. Hold on there. 00:32:33
You answer to the board of trustees, but the mayor here answers to the whole community and I think that's where we're at. I 00:32:41
underline that you've been given that job. I'm not. I think you were saddled with a contract. Not. Paula was manager at one time. 00:32:47
You know, so I'm. I'm not saying this is a personal thing at all. No, I don't take it personal. And I I would, Councilman Salami 00:32:52
said. 00:32:58
We serve communities. We serve San Ocasio Magdalena de Camaro. 00:33:04
And so we serve these communities because no one else wanted to. 00:33:10
The mayor said that you're going to have your costs, you're going to get your cost, you're going to know what it's going to cost 00:33:14
to serve. 00:33:18
And you're going to have to establish a. 00:33:22
To capture all those costs and repay those costs. All, we're asking while you do those things and come up with your cards, because 00:33:24
you'll probably come to the same conclusion. 00:33:29
Your cards will probably have to be what our costs are probably higher because it's all new stuff, is to give us a franchise so we 00:33:35
can continue to serve in the City of Scotland and those lines extend outside the city of Socorro to all these other communities. 00:33:41
And that's what I was saying. There's going to impact other communities other than the not only the city of Socorro but also those 00:33:47
communities outside the city. So. So tell me Mr. Hannah, you told me once. 00:33:54
That the cost of energy to you was 2/3 of our bill. 00:34:01
And the cost of energy that you from tri-state? 00:34:06
That doesn't include the Wheeling, but just the try cost. 00:34:10
The market right now is about 20% less. So how can you say that we're going to come to the same conclusion you are, but you're 00:34:13
charging when we can buy the electricity cheaper? 00:34:19
You're buying it at some distant place in Colorado, Arizona. You got to bring that power into Sokoto. You got to make that power. 00:34:26
You got to get that power to the meter. The grid isn't just not Colorado, Arizona. The grid is just constant. Well, you guys have 00:34:31
generational resources and there's nothing. 00:34:36
But where is it getting it from? Where are they getting it from? 00:34:42
Do you want to tell me all the engineering? I'm just giving you just a question if if the cost of energy? 00:34:49
2/3 and I can get it for 20% cheaper. How can you even make that statement, which is kind of a, you know, the postcards you guys 00:34:56
sent out four and a half million dollars. The American put it from mental health. That four and a half million, if you don't sell 00:35:02
us your stuff, which you can take off, your debt service is going to be paid by the users. And it's going to be selfless stuff 00:35:09
too. It's in the bylaws, it's in state statute. We cannot sell the stuff to you. 00:35:16
The members, the members have to vote to sell that. 00:35:23
I'm just going to tell you that this is a process. We've come to this. 00:35:28
You came here for the franchise agreement, yes, for extending it. I know some of these people here from outside the city. 00:35:34
There may suffer, but eventually if you let us have the whole footprint. 00:35:41
Or if you buy electricity cheaper, I think we can come to terms and let you have the franchise agreement for another 25 years. 00:35:46
But you've got to use that window that tri-state gave you, which you never used. 00:35:52
That was used by Kit Carson and they paid off tri-state buyout and their rates are much cheaper and. 00:35:57
They're also. 00:36:05
And I'm not going to see any of your paperwork. That is all false, but you know. 00:36:07
I can tell you Aztec. 00:36:12
We're getting off the base of what the franchise? 00:36:15
Is. I think it should be. 00:36:18
I mean, what people are going to pay for the next 10 years? 00:36:22
And I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to show it to the public. Yeah, well, show it to the public. 00:36:27
When what? When? When we have you been to our meeting, then we watch your meeting. 00:36:33
In middle of February, we'll have the answer you'll have for the established rates, but not the residents. The residents. That's 00:36:40
who we're the residents. 00:36:45
I want a lot of things to explain just from your income tax. 00:37:23
You're making a million six. You've got no nonprofit, got nine. Well, you you give that money to the residents, you've got 9 00:37:28
minutes cash reserves. You know don't tell me that you guys are. And then you go to the Supreme Court and your lawyer says we're 00:37:33
going to have to borrow $14 million just to keep afloat. We have borrowed $14 million for the city of Socorro. Well, for the 00:37:39
operations of the Cora, but. 00:37:45
Having borrowed money, again, you're getting off what we're talking about, the franchise. You'll find out what those expenses are, 00:37:53
as if we can just get a franchise. 00:37:57
Like that public, I agree, Mr. Mann. And then you'll note the electric there's four things. The cost of electricity, operating and 00:38:01
maintenance, the Wheeling and the debt service. Those four things will add up to 11 and a half cents, not 17. 00:38:08
Our electric rates for residential are not 17, they're $0.15 all in. That's a hedge. That's really a hedge. The, you know, the 00:38:17
effective, the effective energy cost we got into the gas rates. We could say the gas rates in the city of the corner, the highest 00:38:23
rates in the state subsidized the gas rates last year for $1,000,000. When have you ever subsidized the electric weights to the 00:38:29
poor people and where does subsidy come from? What? What do the subsidies come from? Federal government. Someone has to pay for 00:38:34
it, right? 00:38:40
And so the federal government. Who is the federal government? The citizens. 00:38:47
Want to get on the franchise? 00:38:55
I know most of the council didn't sit in on the hearings that we sat in over the last five years or so. 00:39:01
But the coops main agreement? 00:39:08
That they were arguing in their legal case was that the franchise was for 25 years by state law. 00:39:12
So we need to be careful that any extension might be construed to go back. 00:39:18
OK, just a minute. 00:39:23
Did you just say make a statement that you borrowed another $14 million? 00:39:31
Since the city protested our our rate increase, yes. And so we haven't had a rate increase since 2011. We've been borrowing money. 00:39:38
And that is on top of the $40 million that you borrowed before? 00:39:47
That was on $32 million that we. 00:39:52
So that comes out to be a total of how much? 00:39:56
What about collapse and get $45,000,000 right now? What do you find millionaire and what is your payoff time on that? Debt? 3rd 30 00:40:00
year terms but what? 00:40:06
The franchise. 00:40:12
How do we get to our debt and the franchise? Because I'm sure you have debt and you have the city operates with debt. I mean you 00:40:13
you have to borrow money. We've been fortunate to be in these low interest environ. 00:40:19
That we're borrowing at 3 percent, 4%. 00:40:25
So our debt cost collector on your electric bill is the credit, so. 00:40:30
It hasn't been impacting your rates. 00:40:37
It's a misstatement. We do not borrow money for operating and maintenance. 00:40:40
That's not, that's a misstatement. Well, to get from the federal government, we borrowed for capital improvements. We do not do it 00:40:44
for operating and maintenance. But your lawyer? 00:40:48
Mr. Again, I'm Mr. Mayor. Correct me if I'm wrong, though in the past, I think, before we redid this. 00:40:53
Wasn't wasn't there a time we operated on a month to month on the franchise because we didn't have something? That's when we sent 00:40:59
him the trespassing notice and that's so we do have that ability if we needed to. 00:41:05
Penalize this month to month, are you? 00:41:12
Charges the additional fees or we never have. I think it's if I'm not mistaken it continues the words whatever will you've been 00:41:17
2%, we've never been able to audit your books on that 22 million that you generate. 00:41:23
Let me look at your income tax again. You generate 22 million on $14 million worth of energy that you buy. 00:41:31
We the revenue was $24 million. 00:41:38
But our power cost is 14,000,000. You can do it right there. You can look at it, but. 00:41:43
You're talking about our operating annual? 00:41:50
What I'm saying is, let's go back to what he said. You're paying us 2%. We've never been able to audit on what money are you 00:41:54
paying that 2% on because we've asked you and you've never been able to give us that information that will be in the new 00:41:59
franchise. 00:42:04
That I we can audit your books as to why on what's that 120,000 if you if you work it backwards. 00:42:09
We give you a monthly statement showing how we derive at that 2% and how that 140,000. Anyway your comment is that it is we don't 00:42:17
charge them extra for this next. 00:42:22
And then I'll have to look into what Mr. Monet just said. I don't want us to be trapped into a 25 year when they give him a one 00:42:28
year extension. 00:42:32
What what we're you know we're just trying to follow up on the conversation that we had in July. We've been talking in circles you 00:42:38
I think we can extend your franchise. 00:42:43
But I can't tell you they're going to go for 25 years and that's how we're asking for. We're just asking to see what you would 00:42:50
offer. Well that's the meetings you're going to have with. We haven't seen that yet. I'll talk to a lawyer then we'll get the 00:42:56
we'll get the extension of how much is going to cost for the industrial leg that's that's what we're asking an agreement that the 00:43:01
fire I'm trying to be as. 00:43:07
Hoping about what we're doing as possible. 00:43:13
You know and and your answer, your answer was franchise agreement. What are you guys going to do after May? We're not going to 00:43:17
have it up and going. So absolutely we're going to have to give you some. 00:43:22
Assurance for your finances as to what we can do as far as the French and but I have to get the input of the lawyer. I have to get 00:43:28
input of the state legislature make sure that we're not doing something that will give. 00:43:34
Something we try to get trapped into and then we'll give you the prices that we're going to have for the industrial leg. 00:43:41
The residential link. 00:43:47
Will also be similar, but the cost of poles and the hardware and and you taking them off and the cost of this here's substations 00:43:49
coming up. 00:43:53
This I-25 quarter, we're finally going to get the answer to how much it's going to cost us and what that we're going to incur and 00:43:59
either you. 00:44:04
Sell us your stuff or we put in new stuff. We will have the users pay for that debt service, just like you're making us pay the 00:44:09
$44 million. 00:44:14
From the debt service which is 1,000,004 on your income tax. 00:44:20
A year. 00:44:24
So do you have a time frame when you anticipate that middle of February we'll have the answer to that, that piece of the puzzle, 00:44:26
but the franchise when you would have? 00:44:30
But I would like to see what happens with this meeting that you haven't. You haven't divulged that you agreed to that meeting, but 00:44:39
I understand you have this meeting. 00:44:44
I'd love to have you there and City Council members there. I'm going to invite myself, but if you guys invite me, I'll be more 00:44:50
than happy to. But I think we need to know what's going to happen at that meeting. 00:44:55