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	23 Mayor Basker Councillor Travis Lopez.	00:00:01
	Councillor Dean.	00:00:09
	Councillor Fleming, Councillor Hicks.	00:00:11
	Councillor Ocampo Councillor Olgin.	00:00:15
	Councillor Romero here. Counselor Salome.	00:00:18
	So I'll rise for the music.	00:00:23
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of.	00:00:28
	How we quit doing.	00:00:44
	But COVID like COVID.	00:00:46
	I didn't learn the counselor.	00:00:51
	Mr. Hicks, if emotions approve the Senate agenda.	00:00:57
	Second move then seconded on Phil, aye.	00:01:00
	Partridge here with our new counselor in January.	00:01:06
	And we're going to have a swearing in ceremony on the 5th of December.	00:01:10
	We need for you to join.	00:01:17
	On the 5th of December to get sworn in to be seated in January.	00:01:19
	No offense.	00:01:24
	That's all right. Got you.	00:01:26
	Good job, I think.	00:01:30
	Thank you all.	00:01:32
	Mr. Hogan, just just for the public for that law enforcement grant. I know where just to prove that, but if they just want to give	00:01:35
	a quick overview on just what that is to the public knows.	00:01:40
	Ruby is.	00:01:46
	And.	00:01:48
	So Mayor, council, we had applied for, it's it's a law enforcement grant, but it's for supporting staff like supporting	00:01:53
	physicians. So you're going to see tonight that job description is going to go through for security and we're able to hire a new	00:02:00
	officer and we're going to and then the new secretary and then a dispatch. So we're working on that, but it's a 225,000 and it	00:02:07
	works just like the first grant we have that we got.	00:02:14
	So it's 225,000 this year and then it's half next year and then it's.	00:02:22
	25% of the.	00:02:28
	And what we're trying to do is just create these positions to support the Police Department. So this is just a resolution, just	00:02:31
	adding.	00:02:35
	The account numbers for the budget, but it's 225,000. The total was 393 and that resolution went through the last meeting. But	00:02:41
	this is just a bar to put in what's where, where all the monies are going to go.	00:02:48
	The total amount is 393.	00:02:55
	And before that.	00:02:58
	Before that we got 750 for the first round.	00:03:00
	Isn't there some, Isn't there opioid settlement money that should be coming down the pipe too?	00:03:04
	Yeah, and let me explain you this one first. And we're working with the schools.	00:03:11
	To put in a full.	00:03:16
	Officer at Sarah.	00:03:19
	They've already made a decision to get somebody at the high school.	00:03:21
	But.	00:03:26
	With this money, we're going to probably work on trying to get a full.	00:03:27
	Resource Officer at Cirocino.	00:03:31
	That may take away a code enforcement officer.	00:03:34
	Because we have two right now, Chris.	00:03:37
	Florence, Mt. I was gonna say school. Lores Montana and so.	00:03:41
	We're trying to get Lawrence to stay there because I think he's doing a good job over there where you'll get Chris some help, but	00:03:46
	all this will try to come under the umbrella of the Police Department. So that's kind of where we're at on that.	00:03:52
	The opioid settlement is a 1.2 million but is given to the region.	00:03:58
	And that region is going to be probably dominated.	00:04:04
	T.	00:04:08
	They're planning to try to get some kind of inpatient facility in Tier C rather than in Socorro.	00:04:09
	They had a meeting.	00:04:15
	Two weeks ago, I think at.	00:04:18
	And they.	00:04:21
	The.	00:04:23
	And the.	00:04:24
	Regional approach.	00:04:27
	That's a separate settlement that didn't come to the city, It came to the county actually. So because it's regional and it's going	00:04:29
	to include Sierra County, Sakura.	00:04:34
	And so they're working with the, they're working with the people that are that are.	00:04:39
	Responsible for initiating and it will probably include a methadone.	00:04:46
	Probably include some Suboxone Clin.	00:04:50
	The hospital already is doing that with a physician for transitioning people from opiates to suboxone, that's, but that's a	00:04:53
	different.	00:04:58
	This opioid settlement like I said, I think.	00:05:04
	I think the reason is supposed to get a million too. I'm not sure if it's over five years, if it was over 3 or so one.	00:05:07
	But that's a separate. It's a separate.	00:05:13
	Thank you.	00:05:16
	Another.	00:05:19
	With public forum, we have somebody that's where the public Yes Sir. Come on.	00:05:21
	1st I'm Greg Miller. First, I'd like to say congratulations to all the newly elected councillors and Many thanks to the departing	00:05:27
	counselors.	00:05:32
	And congratulations to you drive Basker on your reelection.	00:05:37
	Circumstantially, I'm bringing up something that is part of finishing the job. And so there was a question during the City Council	00:05:42
	debate about enforcing zoning and ordinances.	00:05:47
	In response to his discussion on how the city helps with cleanups and how you don't want to stigmatize people.	00:05:52
	I have to say I'm not seeing the city actions that the councillors talked about.	00:05:58
	Properties with numerous code and ordinance violations have existed for decades.	00:06:03
	With apparently no enforcement, some of the properties are on our main.	00:06:07
	They're not hard to find you've all seen.	00:06:12
	This year, I asked the Police Department why they haven't cited a non running truck full of garbage that had been parked on a	00:06:16
	Florida sidewalk for two years.	00:06:20
	We currently have a problem in Florida with livestock kept at a minimum of three locations that are zoned R.	00:06:25
	They're visible from the.	00:06:32
	There's no livestock allowed in.	00:06:35
	They've gotten out, invaded yards and damaged property.	00:06:38
	When I called the Socorro animal.	00:06:42
	During one of these breakouts, I was told to call the livestock inspector.	00:06:44
	The livestock inspector told me it's a city zoning and animal controls problem.	00:06:48
	I then heard city management was waiting for the livestock inspector to do something.	00:06:53
	I can't use my backyard in the summer.	00:06:58
	Because of the flies and smell of urine from the livestock pen behind me in R4.	00:07:00
	Why are there cows and horses in R4?	00:07:07
	Straight up, when are you going to enforce the law?	00:07:12
	A neighbor of mine was cited to.	00:07:16
	Hi, Chris.	00:07:18
	For about 7 non working vehicles.	00:07:19
	Two abandoned mobile homes, 2 abandoned RV's, general refuse, among other violations in the period 2020 to 2021.	00:07:22
	I attended.	00:07:31
	I was surprised that the code enforcement officer.	00:07:33
	There were no fines and no actions required by a municipal judge. Nothing.	00:07:36
	The defendant was coached from the bench on how to plead to avoid any additional civil responsibility.	00:07:43
	Coached from the bench on how to avoid responsibility.	00:07:51
	In 2010, I was told by my appraisal that the same neighbor cost me 15% of the bottom line of my property value for a loan.	00:07:56
	I got a lot less money on my loan because the city won't enforce residential code and ordinance violations.	00:08:05
	This idiot back in action damaged me in 2010, but it goes back further.	00:08:13
	26 years is how long I've been asking for code enforcement in Florida on the same property.	00:08:19
	You see, when I moved here in 1997, all the same problems I just discussed existed on the neighbors property.	00:08:27
	I've been asking the city for 26 years to enforce zoning in Florida.	00:08:34
	And despite action by code enforce.	00:08:38
	The gross violations remain to.	00:08:40
	Please let me know how I can get people signed up for one of these free city Councilor cleanups in Florida.	00:08:44
	I've got some customers for you.	00:08:50
	The debate question was what can we do to enforce zoning codes and ordinances?	00:08:52
	After 26 years of living next to abandoned cars and trailers, I need to ask is the city ever?	00:08:57
	Going to effectively enforce residential code violations on trash, refuse, abandoned vehicles and derelict properties in Florida.	00:09:04
	That's the only just I want a clarification absolutely.	00:09:16
	You're saying that the city did cite some of the?	00:09:20
	But they did not. They did.	00:09:25
	The city.	00:09:27
	And then go to.	00:09:28
	And we have no control over the judge.	00:09:31
	Whether he's giving.	00:09:34
	Information how to get away with it or whatever, I have no control. I'm going to meet with them on Monday and I'm going to ask	00:09:36
	them some of these things.	00:09:39
	But I I really have no control over the judges as I don't with their kind of separate entities.	00:09:43
	You know, legislative, judicial and administrative. So that's a problem.	00:09:50
	Just to let you know that we know we have done some clean up. The sands was a big one. It cost us $200,000.	00:09:56
	To clean that up, I got a turn to.	00:10:02
	Yes Sir. So, so you know the so the situation about cleaning.	00:10:05
	The other problem is, is that we're wearing. We're a small.	00:10:10
	We're very poor.	00:10:13
	And I know there I go around places in.	00:10:15
	By Clark Field, the burnt house sitting there, and I think Chris is working on that. It's a personal owner that lives in	00:10:18
	California.	00:10:22
	It's a slow.	00:10:28
	Florida.	00:10:31
	Certainly if it's farm animal, did you cite the farm animals?	00:10:32
	OK, Well, that's what he just said look at. So what about the animal control with that over there, they have to call the	00:10:42
	livestock.	00:10:46
	There's two enthalpy right after the ditch. Actually three now that was the.	00:11:01
	Yeah, that was a location, yeah. On the left as you come over to ditch headed north, there's there's three there now. That was the	00:11:07
	location the cow was at.	00:11:11
	Then I have three horses directly behind my property, 1711 El Camino route. They're on Earth Brands property. Then there's David	00:11:15
	Hicks has horses.	00:11:19
	Prior to zoning, there's a small ranch that existed on the South side.	00:11:25
	We went through Peacocks 10 years ago, but Lucas? So who's responsible?	00:11:33
	For the livestock that doesn't build, the can't really be there.	00:11:37
	Stated you there just do a wealth of checking.	00:11:48
	I didn't approach Administrative Monet with regards to that situation and we were in the process of getting inside.	00:11:53
	And what you're talking about is important. I'm glad you're here.	00:12:00
	We.	00:12:04
	We're working with Chris and I give him hell every week, especially after the election because that was actually that one of the	00:12:05
	biggest problems clean up the city, that that was one of the things and that's why we hired.	00:12:11
	Zone of code enforcement.	00:12:17
	They've been working and cleaning stuff up is a real slow process and again I have.	00:12:20
	Which which may not be what everyone wants to hear. I have some sympathy for people that are trying to just make living, living in	00:12:25
	a house and they got all kinds of garbage out there. I know have one going to the state of fire Academy is full of cars and	00:12:32
	houses, totally ruined. It's a difficult situation for people that are really poor, but we are trying to get a legal document that	00:12:38
	they can sign off on.	00:12:45
	That will tag all the things that.	00:12:53
	Do not do not meet the code enforce.	00:12:56
	If they'll sign up on it, we'll come and take it off their property.	00:13:01
	But I can't just buy Fiat, go over there and clean up their property without taking them to court. And I think it takes 3 letters.	00:13:05
	I'm not sure how many letters, but there's three letters you have to send.	00:13:10
	Giving them warning, warning, warning and then it goes to the municipal judge and then after that I have no control. But since	00:13:16
	you're putting more sunshine on it, I think it's important. Couple questions.	00:13:21
	If I could, when's the next municipal judge election, since that's how we can change such things?	00:13:26
	And thank you for talking to the judge about it. I recognize the Sands was a great effort by the city and and you guys, but I	00:13:37
	think you're hanging your hat on it because I'm focused on residential on this.	00:13:43
	And it may not be now, but I used to be poor.	00:13:54
	And I was never dirty. I never had garbage in the yard.	00:13:58
	Thank you.	00:14:03
	To address the animals.	00:14:06
	Cows are stuck on a property.	00:14:11
	I didn't know and maybe we ought to look into the zoning on it, but I do know that if a residential area.	00:14:13
	Before the city joined them if they were agricultural.	00:14:22
	And they had their animals there, the city and.	00:14:26
	As long as they still had their animals on there, they could have them any of his own.	00:14:29
	As long as they had it before the municipality engulfed them, I'm familiar with that.	00:14:35
	But I can guarantee you that three of the four that I've mentioned have been moved on since zoning and since I've moved under the	00:14:41
	property.	00:14:45
	I agree with that 100%. I got cows. You have to clean up after them. And then I do recognize, absolutely the horse ranch that's at	00:14:50
	El Camino, real right at the ditch. She's been there forever. He was there long? No. But when you have a, you have a comment.	00:14:57
	Just to be ignorant which?	00:15:06
	We can take it as far as taking it to the joint and then the judge makes the decision.	00:15:09
	So.	00:15:13
	The only thing we could do on the animal side, we'll just continue to cite network and you do that or have you already done it?	00:15:14
	So we can harass the judge with citation in the zoning regulations.	00:15:24
	OK.	00:15:31
	I will not do that to the judge. He's that he is his own man and a lady. But I only have, I only have a comment I cannot harass.	00:15:32
	I will not do.	00:15:43
	Thank you. Thank you for coming and I think you know give us an update if we didn't.	00:15:45
	Still again? Yeah, absolutely.	00:15:50
	Have to have it and you know.	00:15:54
	That they're cleaning up and I don't want to give you some information about how much tons of stuff they've taken in their stuff	00:15:58
	but they're cleaning up and I, I, I, I know it's a difficult job and I know people are upset about how bad things look and.	00:16:05
	You know, I apologize for that.	00:16:12
	I can get any youth summer grant for cleanup, weed removal, that type of stuff, or whether the liability is too great on that.	00:16:16
	Yeah, anything we can do is private. Property is sacred ground.	00:16:25
	And we can't. We can't appro.	00:16:30
	People.	00:16:34
	Their own property without going through due process and that's really important.	00:16:35
	But he said that my personal property, so they're well scared. Yeah. One person's garbage is another person's house that we use.	00:16:43
	Thank you, Mr. Miller. Anyone else that wants to make a comment that's.	00:16:50
	We have the Loma Theater here. There's no movies out there today.	00:16:57
	But these guys did a great service to the city holding a debate. And Melissa, I don't know about those questions, but I we want to	00:17:01
	applaud you for for doing it, taking on a good job.	00:17:07
	And I don't know Mr. Hurchin helped you at all, but he was. He is blocking my view when I was sitting behind him.	00:17:14
	Anyway, anybody else from?	00:17:22
	OK. I have a proclamation that we've been helping for a long, long time. It is the support of the extension, expansion of the	00:17:26
	Radiation Exposure Compensation Act. You know I I practice in Carazosa in 1975 and I had patients.	00:17:32
	Who actually start at 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning. Nobody told him about anything. It was.	00:17:40
	And that's when the bomb grew up. And, you know, lots of things have happened since.	00:17:46
	But people that were in that area, the down winters were never compensated. Although people in Nevada, people in Idaho, people in	00:17:52
	other places were compensated for some of the sites. So where is the world's first atomic bomb was tested In New Mexico on July	00:17:59
	16th, 1945, and the US conducted 1038 atomic tests at the Nevada's test site, 215 of which were above ground test. And whereas in	00:18:07
	1990 the US passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act known as Rica, to pay restitution.	00:18:15
	And medical care to people that were exposed to radiation from these nuclear tests and whereas the US government has.	00:18:23
	Been compensating the down winters in other states.	00:18:29
	But the down wonders in New Mexico have never been included, although they were the first to be exposed to nuclear radioactivity.	00:18:32
	We are the Trinity atomic.	00:18:39
	Whereas there were some 500,000 families that lived in 150 mile radius and as close as 12 miles from the Trinity site and the	00:18:41
	radioactive fallout caused cancerous disease such as leukemia, multiple myeloma and lymphomas. And whereas the Rica is scheduled	00:18:48
	to expire June 10th, 2024. So current congressional bills to extend.	00:18:55
	Expand Weaker have been introduced, including Senator Senate Bill 1751 and House Resolution 4426 that would include the	00:19:02
	downwinders of New Mexico for the first time.	00:19:08
	Where the US has approved $50 billion budget per year.	00:19:14
	For the last 33 years total of 1.650 billion.	00:19:18
	To maintain its current nuclear.	00:19:22
	But in the same period, less than 1% of that amount has been paid to these adversely affected by radioactive atomic tests. Now,	00:19:25
	therefore, we, the Mayor and the City of Socorro City Council do hereby support the health, welfare and safety of the residents of	00:19:31
	the City of Socorro by proclaiming the month of December.	00:19:37
	As proclamation and support of the extension and expansion of the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act.	00:19:43
	Very important. I've had patients that.	00:19:50
	Brain, tumors, liver, and all kinds of different types of.	00:19:53
	As many of them living in San Antonio, many of them living in Terrace also even had come to still see me. They've been trying	00:19:57
	really, really hard to get involved and I think Senator Ben Lujan and Representative Vasquez may have been working on this, but	00:20:03
	maybe we should send this happy to our legislative.	00:20:08
	People so that they know that we're behind.	00:20:16
	Great idea. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Alden, I'll make a motion. We accept the bid award to United Signs for the	00:20:20
	outdoor digital message sign for the Convention Center.	00:20:25
	So moved and seconded discussion. This is a digital sign. You know we have finally gotten a permit.	00:20:32
	To open up our interests from the Convention Center into the RV park off of Hwy. 60.	00:20:39
	This signage and all that will.	00:20:46
	Have very very helpful and I have to.	00:20:49
	Pattern Energy and Sunzia.	00:20:55
	Because we've been working with them. I don't know if you've been driving up towards Bernardo. You see this area where the RV park	00:20:58
	is, there's a whole huge area cleaned out.	00:21:03
	That's where the Sunzia people are putting in a Is it a substation?	00:21:08
	Or is it AI think it's a line that's coming through that Sun Zia line from it's a transmission line. I think the place to the West	00:21:13
	is just their staging area, the park, their equipment, but that isn't the general area. It's a little more I think to the east or	00:21:18
	to the West and to the South closer to the Royal.	00:21:24
	For our gas line comes through there and for our assistance they have been kind enough to to.	00:21:30
	Give us a compensation of $225,000.	00:21:39
	And so we're going to be using some of this money if you want to wear the money for the science coming, which is not cheap, it's	00:21:43
	over 100,000.	00:21:47
	But the digital sign that will be sitting there for?	00:21:51
	And that got.	00:21:54
	And we'd also like to thank Councillor Dean's husband Job for helping us rate these submissions.	00:21:56
	He.	00:22:03
	Joe Joe's a nugget and that guy is so great. But anyway, I just want to say that that's, that's part of the reason we're going to	00:22:06
	be able to afford this sign. We've gotten the the, we've gotten the entrance. We've got to just put a cattle guard.	00:22:14
	That that blue gate that opens up for the for the RV park and that's where the sign is going on. The sign will be going just at	00:22:22
	the gate of the Convention Center.	00:22:27
	And we've got Western.	00:22:34
	Telephone is also going by. They're going to give us some Wi-Fi for the RV park that has a lot more gigs rather than just the the	00:22:37
	Wi-Fi that we've had, but it'll be right there just outside the gate within our right away.	00:22:44
	On Hwy. 60. On Hwy. 60, yeah, because it's been very difficult. And that's a that'll be something for people going to Hwy. 60. All	00:22:50
	in favor, aye, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Again, make a motion. We passed resolution #23-11-21 the disposition of vehicles.	00:22:59
	And again, this is one of the vehicles that we are going to provide.	00:23:10
	The group that has gotten.	00:23:15
	Veterans Village down South.	00:23:19
	It's a van. Isn't that one of the Ruby? Is that on the list?	00:23:21
	No, that'll be next meeting. This is for the CNG, the dump that we got to destroy.	00:23:25
	But, but next week we're going to be putting on a van that they're going to be taking down to the that.	00:23:33
	Encampment down there. But anyway, All in favor, all right.	00:23:39
	New business.	00:23:43
	I've been asked as I have tried to give out more information about the electric utility.	00:23:45
	I sent all the all.	00:23:54
	Umm.	00:23:56
	Counselors The comparison between B&M and.	00:23:57
	Score electric Co-op that has been filed and I think polar that was filed with the PRC.	00:24:02
	Holy rates, yeah, that's the official rates and it's almost a 25 to 30%.	00:24:08
	Then in response, I've been asked.	00:24:16
	What are your rates going to be? And as we told the City Council by the end of December?	00:24:18
	We will have a pro forma and.	00:24:23
	That we will then.	00:24:27
	To let you.	00:24:29
	What came out of the engine? The preliminary engineering and the performer from our finance people.	00:24:31
	In the meantime, we've spoken to New Mexico Finance Authority about the.	00:24:37
	Ability to.	00:24:41
	Loans.	00:24:43
	I've also spoke to.	00:24:45
	Return is a city that has their own utility.	00:24:47
	They pay four and a half cents as opposed to 8 cents that the coop and they are with Guzman.	00:24:51
	Because mine has been very stable with them for the past four years, they have another three years to run on the four and a half	00:24:57
	cent.	00:25:00
	Energy cost.	00:25:04
	So just to let you know, there's another town like Aztec and Raton, they're getting energy.	00:25:05
	From Guz.	00:25:11
	And instead of tri-state for their city municipal.	00:25:14
	And that is a four and a half cent cost compared to 8 cents that the coop is paying and I just.	00:25:19
	Let you know that the coop is making a big effort in putting out information.	00:25:26
	Says questionable and and I am trying to account for all the information that they're putting out with specific things that have	00:25:31
	been filed with.	00:25:35
	Public regulatory.	00:25:40
	I'm sure as counselors, you will hear more about this.	00:25:43
	But our standards is that we'll continue on getting the municipal electrification.	00:25:47
	Until the council hears.	00:25:52
	For pharma, for finance and the cost.	00:25:55
	Of this one leg that we're doing right now with the industrial park and then you'll have a chance in January to say we'll continue	00:25:58
	or we won't.	00:26:02
	I think Mr.	00:26:07
	Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I want to highlight that because I had a lot of people come by my office that asked me about how how come the	00:26:09
	council jumped.	00:26:13
	Kind of put the cart in front of the horse and voted for for us to just start our own municipal electric Co-op. And I even heard	00:26:19
	one of the questions in one of the debates was asked and and I believe all we voted on was to learn more about it.	00:26:26
	And so we're going to get that information all in December so we can make an educated decision.	00:26:35
	Going forward in January.	00:26:39
	Right. But let me, let me, let me.	00:26:41
	Get people on track about.	00:26:44
	We automatically just jumped on right away.	00:26:46
	Almost eight years ago, the City Council in a public.	00:26:49
	With sunshine.	00:26:54
	To pass a municipal electric ordinance.	00:26:58
	We.	00:27:03
	Comment.	00:27:04
	We had comments from the city.	00:27:06
	And the.	00:27:09
	Make the motion.	00:27:12
	Remember Unan?	00:27:14
	To go ahead with the coord.	00:27:16
	To form a municipal electric.	00:27:19
	So it's not something new that just happened.	00:27:25
	If everybody wants to erase everything that's been going on in government in the last 40 years and just because they just heard	00:27:28
	about it. Now we've had meeting after meeting after meeting. We had a we had a a town hall meeting five years ago when we had all	00:27:34
	the major.	00:27:40
	People that were involved with this Guzman.	00:27:46
	The finance people are lawyers.	00:27:50
	And we had an open meeting with the club present.	00:27:53
	Then we just had another meeting a month ago at the school board.	00:27:57
	There are a lot of the people that are making these comments never attended and all of a sudden they think it's a brand new thing.	00:28:01
	It is not a brand new thing.	00:28:04
	Every time that we've had a decision to be made by the council, you did it in public, we did it with information that was	00:28:09
	available to you and we will do that again in January.	00:28:14
	But I have to say that if these people are making a comment now and I don't know who's prodding them to make these comments.	00:28:20
	They're totally uninformed about what's been going on in the last 10 years.	00:28:26
	With.	00:28:31
	My effort? The Council's.	00:28:31
	Get this Municipal electrification.	00:28:36
	Continued and the reason it's coming to a head is that they're losing their franchise. May 2024. I made a presentation and I	00:28:38
	showed that to you seven years ago when I went to the Coop and said this is the things that we need to have from you guys, they	00:28:44
	never responded. They gave me two minutes and showed me the door.	00:28:50
	So this is not something new. I don't know why people all of a sudden thinking that it's brand new. All you have to do is to go	00:28:56
	through the minutes.	00:29:00
	Closer to the video.	00:29:03
	Of all the meetings that we've had with different counselors and everybody, it's been unanimous. I know Mr. Aldean has always made	00:29:04
	sure that we had a relationship and a comments from.	00:29:10
	And and but I think that Mister olgins also voted yes for that.	00:29:16
	But you'll still get a chance to water down in January.	00:29:21
	But I'm just, I guess I'm responding to the fact that people are saying, well, it's brand new, how come you're jumping on this?	00:29:25
	The element.	00:29:31
	Yeah, I think the big thing.	00:29:32
	I'm sorry, the big thing that I wanted to get across was that when you're in a position of power that you can make decisions that	00:29:35
	they're going to positively positive, positively influence our constituents.	00:29:41
	That we don't go rush forward and sign another.	00:29:47
	Sign another agreement that all of a sudden takes all the power out of our hands and.	00:29:49
	And I felt very comfortable voting for that. For us not to sign the agreement because I think that would be totally foolish and I	00:29:55
	think everybody up here wants better.	00:29:59
	Everybody up here wants better. Everybody up here wants more inexpensive energy. Everybody up here wants to work together. You	00:30:04
	know, I truly believe that. But until we see, like, you know, exactly what happens.	00:30:11
	You know, we need to make educated decisions going forward and and I'm excited to see what comes out of the study.	00:30:18
	I can only give you examples of what's going on in Aztec and return.	00:30:25
	I can also tell you that I understand the people out in the.	00:30:30
	Are saying, well you know, our rates are going to go.	00:30:34
	But I also want to tell you what the facts are, and I try to get people to look at the the articles in the Colorado papers.	00:30:37
	Billions of dollars of.	00:30:45
	Energy that they're buying from tri-state is going away from tri-state.	00:30:48
	TR.	00:30:53
	If it loses Socorro, the city of.	00:30:54
	We're we're a little sand on a beach. They're losing a billion dollars worth of energy sales to Denver, Co.	00:30:57
	To Montrose Delta.	00:31:06
	To La Prada.	00:31:09
	So they lost Kit Carson. Those are millions. And then Denver's case, it's a billion. So if you think our their loss of our sale,	00:31:11
	their sales to Socorro City and Socorro is going to make a difference, which is about 14,000,000.	00:31:19
	To the loss that they're having is going to change the rates.	00:31:28
	You don't think the rates are going to change from tri-state because they're losing so many people?	00:31:32
	The other thing I tell people.	00:31:36
	You know people have been posting $2.69 gasoline in Albuquerque.	00:31:38
	$2.89 in Las.	00:31:43
	$3.29 in.	00:31:46
	Magdalena is $3.60.	00:31:49
	Energy cost as you go away from the big cities do get higher I don't see.	00:31:52
	City of Socorro or Las Lunas subsidizing the City of Socorro for lower gas like gasoline prices and the City of Socorro helping	00:31:59
	out Magdalena for lower gasoline prices. But yet they want me to help them out for lower electric rates out there because we are	00:32:05
	paying extra electric rates for outside the county.	00:32:12
	That's the club's fault if they would allow us to step into their footprint and get away from 8 cent electricity.	00:32:19
	And I guess you've been at that meeting at the school board?	00:32:27
	2/3 of your electric cost of 14 to 15 cents a kilowatt.	00:32:30
	2/3 of it is the cost of energy you pay to buy the energy from tri-state.	00:32:35
	That's $0.08.	00:32:40
	Because I just told you return is buying it for 4.5 cents. They haven't nailed down since three years ago. They have another four	00:32:42
	years to go on.	00:32:47
	We have the opportunity to buy 4 1/2 cent electricity.	00:32:52
	Which if you do?	00:32:56
	Just three and a half cents less than what the Co-op is paying right now will decrease our rates, just automatically. That four	00:32:59
	cents is guaranteed.	00:33:04
	Four and a half cents? No. That's why you're going to get it in December. It's not guaranteed.	00:33:09
	But I'm just giving you a comparison of what the other cities have gone through.	00:33:16
	To change from tri-state.	00:33:21
	I tell you one thing, the eighth sense is guaranteed for another 30 years.	00:33:24
	If not more but.	00:33:29
	Electric rates have changed and it.	00:33:32
	Four and a half cents and maybe $0.05 but it's going to be definitely less than $0.08.	00:33:35
	So, but you're right. I mean, I think that's what you have to, you'll have to discuss in January, Mr. We're running the process of	00:33:40
	building a substation, correct.	00:33:44
	No, we're not billing it. We're just getting the approved energy, huh? No, no, no.	00:33:48
	It what we're doing right now is just engineering up for the substation. It's like building a house, the architect designing the	00:33:56
	house before we get a cost of how much it's going to take to build it. They called a couple weeks ago and that's 75% done. So it	00:34:01
	should be done probably in December sometime Think of the plans to go out to bed. We're not building anything right now. You're	00:34:07
	going to tell us to move ahead.	00:34:12
	If.	00:34:18
	So in December, we're going to have basically a brand new feasibility study.	00:34:20
	I don't know what you mean by feasibility. Yeah. You'll have 2017 feasibility study. You have a cost and you'll have revenue to	00:34:25
	pay for the cost. Yeah.	00:34:30
	Well, what's it tell us how long it's going to take, you know with all the back orders on equipment and stuff like that. I don't	00:34:36
	know if you've seen the big solar array, they built a substation right there as you go by. You can see it coming up every day. So	00:34:43
	that's what we would be doing, but we got to get we haven't gotten the plans to put a price on it yet.	00:34:49
	These other communities that are going with Guzman, we're gonna, based on our demographics and everything, we're gonna fit right	00:34:58
	in and we're gonna be able to do exactly what they're doing.	00:35:02
	Pretty much in my opinion, I have to use that as a model, yes.	00:35:06
	And Kit Carson is 100% Sol.	00:35:10
	Christ State is promising to be 50% in two years. I.	00:35:12
	Kit cars has 100%.	00:35:17
	So, so we're not going to, we're not going to have another feasibility study like the one in 2017, is that right?	00:35:19
	What's the feasibility study in your mind? 52 page feasibility study that was done initially on all this in 2017 and it will have	00:35:25
	whatever.	00:35:29
	It had all the numbers. It had the construction costs that had whether it's feasible or not.	00:35:34
	It's called the interconnect. It's called an interconnect study. Instead of a feasibility, it'll give you the revenue.	00:35:39
	From the people that are going to be using this substation.	00:35:45
	And it'll give you the.	00:35:48
	And I also give you the cost of the money that you need to borrow the.	00:35:50
	And trick me if I'm wrong, the Weather Guzman was going to be running some of the money for us.	00:35:54
	I'm looking at other places. Guzman is very expensive. We may have to use Guzman as a bridge alone for one year because NFA they	00:35:59
	want one year of revenue before they will loan you the money.	00:36:04
	And we can go to bond, we can go to non taxable bonds, but the the rates right now are at 7 to 8% for commercial. We can probably	00:36:11
	get anywhere from 3 to 4% if we go.	00:36:17
	With the city tax non tax Bo.	00:36:24
	But again all that will be presented to us in December. Basically what's going to say is that within we started, we start now this	00:36:28
	within certain amount of years we should be able to be going into the city.	00:36:33
	This is the cost that it's going to be, however long that's going to take within a year because.	00:36:38
	I think if we can demonstrate to the council, but we have a plan ready to go, if they were within a year we're able to take over	00:36:45
	the entire city.	00:36:48
	Within a year.	00:36:52
	We have to do the leg first so that you're comfortable with the numbers.	00:36:55
	That I think the comment was, well, how are we going to pay for all this infrastructure?	00:37:00
	If the if the coop in.	00:37:05
	Wisdom which they are not saying that right now Co-op is not for sale, but in the in their wisdom if they say.	00:37:07
	The city.	00:37:15
	Going to be able to buy all their infrastructure.	00:37:16
	They paid $4 million in debt service every year right now on the loans they have from a company called Co.	00:37:20
	And some USDA.	00:37:27
	Those loans would then be converted to.	00:37:30
	For the infrastructure they have, they have a five year plan to spend $25 million on a leg to Magdalena has nothing to do with the	00:37:34
	city.	00:37:38
	So.	00:37:43
	That.	00:37:44
	Financing will be worked out with our financial people.	00:37:46
	And be presented to the Council if the Council accepts it.	00:37:50
	Fine. If they turn us down, fine. But we're going to.	00:37:54
	Black and white numbers as to.	00:37:58
	Feasibility of this leg?	00:38:01
	And then next would be the feasibility of the whole city.	00:38:04
	And in the meantime, a whole court comes to their senses and.	00:38:08
	And they still have that opportunity I think I don't know if you heard the the the CEO of of tri-state who came down was on the	00:38:12
	radio.	00:38:16
	He said, Well, I've still had the ability to opt out of 50% of the energy from being bought from tri-state.	00:38:20
	We've got to have an open discussion with a call about stuff like that, Will.	00:38:30
	We're happy to opt out if the coop goes in the direction of lower electric rates.	00:38:34
	The subjective stuff about how the Coop is a clothes shop we're trying to go in there is like a going into a.	00:38:42
	Place where you don't feel comfortable. I hope to change that, but the bottom line is decreasing the electric.	00:38:49
	If you notice the little thing that I sent you.	00:38:56
	If you use 450 kilowatts or less.	00:39:00
	Of electricity.	00:39:04
	The cost between PNM, which is a for profit company and Co-op said they're not-for-profit.	00:39:06
	Is almost 30%.	00:39:11
	Co-op than it is to.	00:39:15
	That's a.	00:39:18
	Number.	00:39:20
	On black and white. I don't know how they're going to fight that.	00:39:22
	I can only give you the numbers.	00:39:27
	And that's what we'll give you to make a decision on.	00:39:28
	Another good, Another good, I guess. Point.	00:39:31
	You know the the the board of the of the Co-op is.	00:39:36
	Down to change the managers, down to change, just like we saw. Now we have a new counselor coming on board or maybe new counselors	00:39:40
	coming in, in two years.	00:39:44
	And I think at least from my point of view, concern, major concern is.	00:39:48
	You know there isn't a board with the coop. Are they more willing? Will they be more willing to go towards this type of energy? If	00:39:52
	there's no counselors on board, are they going to be able to?	00:39:57
	You know, it's just there's a lot of way too many unknowns to where we don't know that.	00:40:02
	Anything I mean?	00:40:07
	If we can, that's why I was saying earlier, if we can hold off.	00:40:09
	Somehow, someway, and keep working. I didn't keep nipping at it. I mean, it's already there. It's already there because they tried	00:40:13
	very hard to.	00:40:17
	Beat me in my election if you saw some of the stuff to put out. But the bottom line is when Mr. Burson was there, he charged the	00:40:21
	city natural gas system. He used to be by a private.	00:40:27
	So now we can just go back and say, OK, well, we are getting rid of the natural gas. There's got to be some continuity in	00:40:33
	government when you pass an ordinance and you got to do it with numbers and facts. And that's what I'm trying to bring to the	00:40:38
	council, Mr. O'Connell.	00:40:42
	I just. I just want to make sure the public understands this 100.	00:40:47
	We voted to get more INF.	00:40:51
	Which I believe, I think, Mr. Partridge said in his answer when he answered. I want more info, I want to know more. That's what we	00:40:53
	voted for, to get more information.	00:40:58
	Number one, which we're going to get here soon, #2 We voted to not handcuff ourselves to another franchise agreement that our	00:41:02
	future generations are going to have to deal with.	00:41:07
	Doesn't they can't cut service on our on our folks, they can't cut, but it can be a one year or one year or year franchise	00:41:15
	agreement can be for one year, but why give up your position of power and negotiation?	00:41:20
	So that's the second thing. That's the second thing we voted for. And then the last thing that I'm just going to say, and I'm not	00:41:27
	speaking for anybody else up here, but I did my homework. I sat down and met with them.	00:41:32
	And they told me, guess what? There's more increases coming down the pipe.	00:41:37
	And I just thought, Man, enough is enough. Why would we hurt?	00:41:42
	Future generations like this, so nobody's voted to take over anything like I just want to see the info.	00:41:45
	I think everybody needs to see the info, but I think they need to see.	00:41:51
	Bigger picture, and it's not the coops fault. They're stuck with a contract that pull up maybe a sign, but you know.	00:41:56
	But I just. I'm just. I'm just saying that it's not the court. It's not the co-op's fault.	00:42:04
	But they have been given a.	00:42:10
	To change their energy source.	00:42:13
	Has a lot of other people are doing and I would welcome you to go visit Aztec or or or Raton or Montrose Co or or Delta Co or La	00:42:16
	Plata Colorado or the big Kahuna United Power in Denver. That buys a billion .2 million, $200 million worth of electricity from	00:42:24
	tri-state.	00:42:32
	The cost of Kit Carson to get out of tri-state was 35 million. The cost?	00:42:40
	United Power to get out of Christ State is $450 million, and they're pointing up the money to get out of it.	00:42:47
	So how is that going to affect the general picture of tri-state rates?	00:42:55
	Sakura electric car.	00:43:02
	Those are big. Those are big issues that everybody is going to have to look at and make a decision.	00:43:05
	As to do you.	00:43:10
	Want.	00:43:13
	Do you want cheaper electricity?	00:43:14
	You know, we spent 30 million already on our sewers and they're still falling apart. I haven't seen a dollar being spent on the	00:43:17
	infrastructure here in the city of Socorro on Old.	00:43:22
	There's there's wires flying around like noodles.	00:43:27
	There hadn't been any upgrades here.	00:43:33
	They've all been for Walmart, or they've been out to Magdalena.	00:43:35
	To battle, people from battle are calling me saying how come our rates are going to go up.	00:43:39
	I'm looking out for Sakura right now, but we're more than happy to step into the shoes of the Co-op.	00:43:45
	And again, back to the point that you said, what am I, what was the council going to decide? I'm hoping that if you show you the	00:43:51
	numbers.	00:43:55
	And we show you their numbers and that's what I tried to do with the cost of electricity.	00:44:00
	In that little box that I sent you with, with their cost being seven cents, co-ops cost of being $0.14.	00:44:04
	That's PNM and their for profit company. I hope the council comes to the right decision. My my job is to keep pushing to try to	00:44:14
	do.	00:44:18
	For the businesses, for the residents in Socorro, that's my job. And I think by lowering electric rates, I'm doing my job. I can't	00:44:22
	even tell you. And I and I put on my medical office.	00:44:27
	I paid $0.20 in A.	00:44:33
	That's what commercial is paying 20 to $0.21 a kilowatt. Who's going to come in here and start a business, or especially a big	00:44:36
	manufacturing business at $0.21 a kilowatt? Manufactured. Marijuana manufacturers. Marijuana manufacturers.	00:44:43
	I think 7 out of the is that three is left maybe?	00:44:52
	I guess, I guess you're right. You must have a pipeline to them, so to speak. But I, you know, I don't know.	00:44:59
	But but.	00:45:05
	That's my.	00:45:07
	But Mr. Ocampo, you will have hopefully the numbers.	00:45:08
	You need for revenue and for expend.	00:45:15
	This is only for this one leg. It's not for the.	00:45:19
	It's only for the hospital, New Mexico Tech, the high school, the new junior high and the complex rodeo complex and the.	00:45:22
	So that that's what you'll have.	00:45:30
	Plus.	00:45:32
	Hed.	00:45:34
	Mr. Mayor, to kind of expand on Councillor Dean's question over 4 1/2 cent. Eight.	00:45:37
	Is not guaranteed at this time because, as the mayor said, there's been some changes in market conditions.	00:45:45
	When we first issued the RFB to Guzman, they guaranteed their rate for seven years.	00:45:50
	And as the mayor.	00:45:56
	A couple of these meetings.	00:45:59
	Raton has three years guaranteed, another four to go and towels had a seven-year contract like Raton, but last year Guzman	00:46:01
	extended it for 15 years. The the guarantee that they gave us on the MSRP, they extended that for 15 years.	00:46:10
	Seven years hard is what they gave us for seven years. That's like 4 years old.	00:46:20
	But they're going to give us a new guarantee price for seven years.	00:46:27
	Well, they can give it longer, but seven I think is the minimum that they said. But again that's.	00:46:34
	Those are the questions we've got.	00:46:39
	Our job is to answer for the.	00:46:41
	Session.	00:46:44
	I'm sorry. I quit. OK. Sorry. OK. Any other new?	00:46:49
	Any old?	00:46:56
	OK, then there's no football game or anything. Come on, we've got.	00:46:59
	Personnel, personnel, No executive session. Marianne is not here. We're not going to go into that, are we?	00:47:05
	Personnel personnel matters who have Caitlin Garcia dispatch transfer from police a 40 Jason Romero police new hire Joe Martinez	00:47:10
	gas resignation Hobstrad fire resignation Audrey Romero Senior Center resignation.	00:47:18
	And.	00:47:27
	Are you here?	00:47:29
	Stand up so they can see what our new policemen are going to look like.	00:47:30
	And thank you for coming on.	00:47:37
	Appreciate.	00:47:38
	That's the that's the personnel.	00:47:40
	Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hicks personnel changes that's presented moved in segment.	00:47:42
	All in favor. All right, Mr. Mayor. Mr. We go back one item to deduct descriptions within the package.	00:47:49
	Job description I'm sorry.	00:47:57
	This is a job description for.	00:47:59
	You go ahead and stand. I don't know. I believe it. I don't have the pack with me because I'm trying to save money by not printing	00:48:03
	paper, but I believe it's for the security officer. That's what I had mentioned before about the resource officer.	00:48:10
	Supporting ours and I think we worked it out with a with a with a president of the school board and.	00:48:17
	Superintendent Hendricks, this is a provide Security Service for assigned city facility. Oh, this is different. Provide Security	00:48:25
	Service for assistant assigned city facilities to include animal control, city parks, Wells, Gastro Division. Protect facilities	00:48:30
	from unlawful intrusion and criminal acts and ensure public safety.	00:48:36
	I apologize, it's a totally different thing.	00:48:43
	So this is for this is not a police officer, but a security officer.	00:48:45
	Kind of like, what would they have in Albuquerque? The.	00:48:56
	They're not police officer, but they're no, no, no, no, no. They're working for the Police Department.	00:49:00
	So it's similar to that.	00:49:07
	We need a motion to approve them. Yes, Sir. I shall make that motion to approve the facility security officer.	00:49:13
	Movement seconded.	00:49:21
	All in favor.	00:49:23
	OK. Sorry about that. We've got businesses all over the place here, Los Pinos.	00:49:25
	Leopino and home childcare Unruly bullied.	00:49:32
	Gets me bummed out. Oh she's a dog breeding kennel. These are these are these are proved by the PNC and there's a home permit. 801	00:49:36
	entertainment, 6 grand Way. Robert Fuller Entertainment Company, Mountain West golf skates have brought in New Mexico. John	00:49:42
	Mundergald, Kerry Salon. 11 Sassy Land. Kerry Durkin. AAA Welding San Antonio. Shane Atwood Hospitality Network. Larry Koval Wi-Fi	00:49:49
	equipment.	00:49:55
	John Heckman, Artist, 607 Highway. Still like Oriental paintings.	00:50:03
	Ameresco, Clinton, MO. Energy Solutions.	00:50:08
	And Albuquerque as.	00:50:12
	Brian Lockridge Construction.	00:50:15
	The folk for Lake Asian food.	00:50:19
	Oh, Community Kitchen, Tim Ash, Food Preparation for Farmers Market.	00:50:22
	Wild West James. Western Wear and Lead and Green Chili, Victor Morales Restaurant Five O 8 Grant.	00:50:27
	Mr. Mayor.	00:50:35
	Make a motion to do the business registrations as presented. Mr. Mayor, we might have some of these folks in the audience tonight.	00:50:37
	Who's making the chili?	00:50:41
	Who's out there?	00:50:46
	Who's on?	00:50:47
	Is that what you're saying? Come on, it's OK. We're only on.	00:50:49
	All right. But who are you anyway? Just tell us. You don't have to show your hands and which restaurant or which business it's	00:50:55
	not. It's not that one. Tiffany's here. Tiffany. Tiffany. Well, you know.	00:51:01
	Yeah, yeah, of course. And where?	00:51:08
	You know, I had a question with an Christie's not here, but she explained it really well.	00:51:12
	And what you're doing and that's great and you're going to have you're on pinion.	00:51:17
	Jennifer and you're gonna have it enclosed in the yard and all that, which is good luck to you and you've got all your	00:51:23
	certificates.	00:51:27
	So that's great. Is that what you're not saying? I thought it was.	00:51:30
	But, but it is a good, I mean, yes, it's a home permit and they passed the planning and zoning and flying colors that the	00:51:35
	restaurant did.	00:51:39
	Adult and doesn't say that it's a PNC approved by PNC, but not be the zone that's a.	00:51:43
	The 1st and the 1st 2 Green chili restaurant on Grant St. The last one, Yeah, that's five away. Grant. Yeah. It's a restaurant. Or	00:51:50
	is it a food preparation? I think. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I asked Christy about that. She couldn't give me any information either, so I'm	00:51:58
	not real sure about that one. You want to, You want to table that one? No. No. OK. We've had a motion.	00:52:07
	And any other discussion?	00:52:17
	All in favor, aye.	00:52:19
	And so December 5th, we.	00:52:22
	Swearing.	00:52:26
	At 6:00.	00:52:28
	For every the new the new elected officials.	00:52:31
	And including the re elected officials and the re elected offic.	00:52:35
	OK.	00:52:40
	They were.	00:52:42
	Be elected.	00:52:44
	OK. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you first.	00:52:47
	Done. You OK?	00:52:52

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	23 Mayor Basker Councillor Travis Lopez.	00:00:01
	Councillor Dean.	00:00:09
	Councillor Fleming, Councillor Hicks.	00:00:11
	Councillor Ocampo Councillor Olgin.	00:00:15
	Councillor Romero here. Counselor Salome.	00:00:18
	So I'll rise for the music.	00:00:23
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of.	00:00:28
	How we quit doing.	00:00:44
	But COVID like COVID.	00:00:46
	I didn't learn the counselor.	00:00:51
	Mr. Hicks, if emotions approve the Senate agenda.	00:00:57
	Second move then seconded on Phil, aye.	00:01:00
	Partridge here with our new counselor in January.	00:01:06
	And we're going to have a swearing in ceremony on the 5th of December.	00:01:10
	We need for you to join.	00:01:17
	On the 5th of December to get sworn in to be seated in January.	00:01:19
	No offense.	00:01:24
	That's all right. Got you.	00:01:26
	Good job, I think.	00:01:30
	Thank you all.	00:01:32
	Mr. Hogan, just just for the public for that law enforcement grant. I know where just to prove that, but if they just want to give	00:01:35
	a quick overview on just what that is to the public knows.	00:01:40
	Ruby is.	00:01:46
	And.	00:01:48
	So Mayor, council, we had applied for, it's it's a law enforcement grant, but it's for supporting staff like supporting	00:01:53
	physicians. So you're going to see tonight that job description is going to go through for security and we're able to hire a new	00:02:00
	officer and we're going to and then the new secretary and then a dispatch. So we're working on that, but it's a 225,000 and it	00:02:07
	works just like the first grant we have that we got.	00:02:14
	So it's 225,000 this year and then it's half next year and then it's.	00:02:22
	25% of the.	00:02:28
	And what we're trying to do is just create these positions to support the Police Department. So this is just a resolution, just	00:02:31
	adding.	00:02:35
	The account numbers for the budget, but it's 225,000. The total was 393 and that resolution went through the last meeting. But	00:02:41
	this is just a bar to put in what's where, where all the monies are going to go.	00:02:48
	The total amount is 393.	00:02:55
	And before that.	00:02:58
	Before that we got 750 for the first round.	00:03:00
	Isn't there some, Isn't there opioid settlement money that should be coming down the pipe too?	00:03:04
	Yeah, and let me explain you this one first. And we're working with the schools.	00:03:11
	To put in a full.	00:03:16
	Officer at Sarah.	00:03:19
	They've already made a decision to get somebody at the high school.	00:03:21
	But.	00:03:26
	With this money, we're going to probably work on trying to get a full.	00:03:27
	Resource Officer at Cirocino.	00:03:31
	That may take away a code enforcement officer.	00:03:34
	Because we have two right now, Chris.	00:03:37
	Florence, Mt. I was gonna say school. Lores Montana and so.	00:03:41
	We're trying to get Lawrence to stay there because I think he's doing a good job over there where you'll get Chris some help, but	00:03:46
	all this will try to come under the umbrella of the Police Department. So that's kind of where we're at on that.	00:03:52
	The opioid settlement is a 1.2 million but is given to the region.	00:03:58
	And that region is going to be probably dominated.	00:04:04
	T.	00:04:08
	They're planning to try to get some kind of inpatient facility in Tier C rather than in Socorro.	00:04:09
	They had a meeting.	00:04:15
	Two weeks ago, I think at.	00:04:18
	And they.	00:04:21
	The.	00:04:23
	And the.	00:04:24
	Regional approach.	00:04:27
	That's a separate settlement that didn't come to the city, It came to the county actually. So because it's regional and it's going	00:04:29
	to include Sierra County, Sakura.	00:04:34
	And so they're working with the, they're working with the people that are that are.	00:04:39
	Responsible for initiating and it will probably include a methadone.	00:04:46
	Probably include some Suboxone Clin.	00:04:50
	The hospital already is doing that with a physician for transitioning people from opiates to suboxone, that's, but that's a	00:04:53
	different.	00:04:58
	This opioid settlement like I said, I think.	00:05:04
	I think the reason is supposed to get a million too. I'm not sure if it's over five years, if it was over 3 or so one.	00:05:07
	But that's a separate. It's a separate.	00:05:13
	Thank you.	00:05:16
	Another.	00:05:19
	With public forum, we have somebody that's where the public Yes Sir. Come on.	00:05:21
	1st I'm Greg Miller. First, I'd like to say congratulations to all the newly elected councillors and Many thanks to the departing	00:05:27
	counselors.	00:05:32
	And congratulations to you drive Basker on your reelection.	00:05:37
	Circumstantially, I'm bringing up something that is part of finishing the job. And so there was a question during the City Council	00:05:42
	debate about enforcing zoning and ordinances.	00:05:47
	In response to his discussion on how the city helps with cleanups and how you don't want to stigmatize people.	00:05:52
	I have to say I'm not seeing the city actions that the councillors talked about.	00:05:58
	Properties with numerous code and ordinance violations have existed for decades.	00:06:03
	With apparently no enforcement, some of the properties are on our main.	00:06:07
	They're not hard to find you've all seen.	00:06:12
	This year, I asked the Police Department why they haven't cited a non running truck full of garbage that had been parked on a	00:06:16
	Florida sidewalk for two years.	00:06:20
	We currently have a problem in Florida with livestock kept at a minimum of three locations that are zoned R.	00:06:25
	They're visible from the.	00:06:32
	There's no livestock allowed in.	00:06:35
	They've gotten out, invaded yards and damaged property.	00:06:38
	When I called the Socorro animal.	00:06:42
	During one of these breakouts, I was told to call the livestock inspector.	00:06:44
	The livestock inspector told me it's a city zoning and animal controls problem.	00:06:48
	I then heard city management was waiting for the livestock inspector to do something.	00:06:53
	I can't use my backyard in the summer.	00:06:58
	Because of the flies and smell of urine from the livestock pen behind me in R4.	00:07:00
	Why are there cows and horses in R4?	00:07:07
	Straight up, when are you going to enforce the law?	00:07:12
	A neighbor of mine was cited to.	00:07:16
	Hi, Chris.	00:07:18
	For about 7 non working vehicles.	00:07:19
	Two abandoned mobile homes, 2 abandoned RV's, general refuse, among other violations in the period 2020 to 2021.	00:07:22
	I attended.	00:07:31
	I was surprised that the code enforcement officer.	00:07:33
	There were no fines and no actions required by a municipal judge. Nothing.	00:07:36
	The defendant was coached from the bench on how to plead to avoid any additional civil responsibility.	00:07:43
	Coached from the bench on how to avoid responsibility.	00:07:51
	In 2010, I was told by my appraisal that the same neighbor cost me 15% of the bottom line of my property value for a loan.	00:07:56
	I got a lot less money on my loan because the city won't enforce residential code and ordinance violations.	00:08:05
	This idiot back in action damaged me in 2010, but it goes back further.	00:08:13
	26 years is how long I've been asking for code enforcement in Florida on the same property.	00:08:19
	You see, when I moved here in 1997, all the same problems I just discussed existed on the neighbors property.	00:08:27
	I've been asking the city for 26 years to enforce zoning in Florida.	00:08:34
	And despite action by code enforce.	00:08:38
	The gross violations remain to.	00:08:40
	Please let me know how I can get people signed up for one of these free city Councilor cleanups in Florida.	00:08:44
	I've got some customers for you.	00:08:50
	The debate question was what can we do to enforce zoning codes and ordinances?	00:08:52
	After 26 years of living next to abandoned cars and trailers, I need to ask is the city ever?	00:08:57
	Going to effectively enforce residential code violations on trash, refuse, abandoned vehicles and derelict properties in Florida.	00:09:04
	That's the only just I want a clarification absolutely.	00:09:16
	You're saying that the city did cite some of the?	00:09:20
	But they did not. They did.	00:09:25
	The city.	00:09:27
	And then go to.	00:09:28
	And we have no control over the judge.	00:09:31
	Whether he's giving.	00:09:34
	Information how to get away with it or whatever, I have no control. I'm going to meet with them on Monday and I'm going to ask	00:09:36
	them some of these things.	00:09:39
	But I I really have no control over the judges as I don't with their kind of separate entities.	00:09:43
	You know, legislative, judicial and administrative. So that's a problem.	00:09:50
	Just to let you know that we know we have done some clean up. The sands was a big one. It cost us $200,000.	00:09:56
	To clean that up, I got a turn to.	00:10:02
	Yes Sir. So, so you know the so the situation about cleaning.	00:10:05
	The other problem is, is that we're wearing. We're a small.	00:10:10
	We're very poor.	00:10:13
	And I know there I go around places in.	00:10:15
	By Clark Field, the burnt house sitting there, and I think Chris is working on that. It's a personal owner that lives in	00:10:18
	California.	00:10:22
	It's a slow.	00:10:28
	Florida.	00:10:31
	Certainly if it's farm animal, did you cite the farm animals?	00:10:32
	OK, Well, that's what he just said look at. So what about the animal control with that over there, they have to call the	00:10:42
	livestock.	00:10:46
	There's two enthalpy right after the ditch. Actually three now that was the.	00:11:01
	Yeah, that was a location, yeah. On the left as you come over to ditch headed north, there's there's three there now. That was the	00:11:07
	location the cow was at.	00:11:11
	Then I have three horses directly behind my property, 1711 El Camino route. They're on Earth Brands property. Then there's David	00:11:15
	Hicks has horses.	00:11:19
	Prior to zoning, there's a small ranch that existed on the South side.	00:11:25
	We went through Peacocks 10 years ago, but Lucas? So who's responsible?	00:11:33
	For the livestock that doesn't build, the can't really be there.	00:11:37
	Stated you there just do a wealth of checking.	00:11:48
	I didn't approach Administrative Monet with regards to that situation and we were in the process of getting inside.	00:11:53
	And what you're talking about is important. I'm glad you're here.	00:12:00
	We.	00:12:04
	We're working with Chris and I give him hell every week, especially after the election because that was actually that one of the	00:12:05
	biggest problems clean up the city, that that was one of the things and that's why we hired.	00:12:11
	Zone of code enforcement.	00:12:17
	They've been working and cleaning stuff up is a real slow process and again I have.	00:12:20
	Which which may not be what everyone wants to hear. I have some sympathy for people that are trying to just make living, living in	00:12:25
	a house and they got all kinds of garbage out there. I know have one going to the state of fire Academy is full of cars and	00:12:32
	houses, totally ruined. It's a difficult situation for people that are really poor, but we are trying to get a legal document that	00:12:38
	they can sign off on.	00:12:45
	That will tag all the things that.	00:12:53
	Do not do not meet the code enforce.	00:12:56
	If they'll sign up on it, we'll come and take it off their property.	00:13:01
	But I can't just buy Fiat, go over there and clean up their property without taking them to court. And I think it takes 3 letters.	00:13:05
	I'm not sure how many letters, but there's three letters you have to send.	00:13:10
	Giving them warning, warning, warning and then it goes to the municipal judge and then after that I have no control. But since	00:13:16
	you're putting more sunshine on it, I think it's important. Couple questions.	00:13:21
	If I could, when's the next municipal judge election, since that's how we can change such things?	00:13:26
	And thank you for talking to the judge about it. I recognize the Sands was a great effort by the city and and you guys, but I	00:13:37
	think you're hanging your hat on it because I'm focused on residential on this.	00:13:43
	And it may not be now, but I used to be poor.	00:13:54
	And I was never dirty. I never had garbage in the yard.	00:13:58
	Thank you.	00:14:03
	To address the animals.	00:14:06
	Cows are stuck on a property.	00:14:11
	I didn't know and maybe we ought to look into the zoning on it, but I do know that if a residential area.	00:14:13
	Before the city joined them if they were agricultural.	00:14:22
	And they had their animals there, the city and.	00:14:26
	As long as they still had their animals on there, they could have them any of his own.	00:14:29
	As long as they had it before the municipality engulfed them, I'm familiar with that.	00:14:35
	But I can guarantee you that three of the four that I've mentioned have been moved on since zoning and since I've moved under the	00:14:41
	property.	00:14:45
	I agree with that 100%. I got cows. You have to clean up after them. And then I do recognize, absolutely the horse ranch that's at	00:14:50
	El Camino, real right at the ditch. She's been there forever. He was there long? No. But when you have a, you have a comment.	00:14:57
	Just to be ignorant which?	00:15:06
	We can take it as far as taking it to the joint and then the judge makes the decision.	00:15:09
	So.	00:15:13
	The only thing we could do on the animal side, we'll just continue to cite network and you do that or have you already done it?	00:15:14
	So we can harass the judge with citation in the zoning regulations.	00:15:24
	OK.	00:15:31
	I will not do that to the judge. He's that he is his own man and a lady. But I only have, I only have a comment I cannot harass.	00:15:32
	I will not do.	00:15:43
	Thank you. Thank you for coming and I think you know give us an update if we didn't.	00:15:45
	Still again? Yeah, absolutely.	00:15:50
	Have to have it and you know.	00:15:54
	That they're cleaning up and I don't want to give you some information about how much tons of stuff they've taken in their stuff	00:15:58
	but they're cleaning up and I, I, I, I know it's a difficult job and I know people are upset about how bad things look and.	00:16:05
	You know, I apologize for that.	00:16:12
	I can get any youth summer grant for cleanup, weed removal, that type of stuff, or whether the liability is too great on that.	00:16:16
	Yeah, anything we can do is private. Property is sacred ground.	00:16:25
	And we can't. We can't appro.	00:16:30
	People.	00:16:34
	Their own property without going through due process and that's really important.	00:16:35
	But he said that my personal property, so they're well scared. Yeah. One person's garbage is another person's house that we use.	00:16:43
	Thank you, Mr. Miller. Anyone else that wants to make a comment that's.	00:16:50
	We have the Loma Theater here. There's no movies out there today.	00:16:57
	But these guys did a great service to the city holding a debate. And Melissa, I don't know about those questions, but I we want to	00:17:01
	applaud you for for doing it, taking on a good job.	00:17:07
	And I don't know Mr. Hurchin helped you at all, but he was. He is blocking my view when I was sitting behind him.	00:17:14
	Anyway, anybody else from?	00:17:22
	OK. I have a proclamation that we've been helping for a long, long time. It is the support of the extension, expansion of the	00:17:26
	Radiation Exposure Compensation Act. You know I I practice in Carazosa in 1975 and I had patients.	00:17:32
	Who actually start at 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning. Nobody told him about anything. It was.	00:17:40
	And that's when the bomb grew up. And, you know, lots of things have happened since.	00:17:46
	But people that were in that area, the down winters were never compensated. Although people in Nevada, people in Idaho, people in	00:17:52
	other places were compensated for some of the sites. So where is the world's first atomic bomb was tested In New Mexico on July	00:17:59
	16th, 1945, and the US conducted 1038 atomic tests at the Nevada's test site, 215 of which were above ground test. And whereas in	00:18:07
	1990 the US passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act known as Rica, to pay restitution.	00:18:15
	And medical care to people that were exposed to radiation from these nuclear tests and whereas the US government has.	00:18:23
	Been compensating the down winters in other states.	00:18:29
	But the down wonders in New Mexico have never been included, although they were the first to be exposed to nuclear radioactivity.	00:18:32
	We are the Trinity atomic.	00:18:39
	Whereas there were some 500,000 families that lived in 150 mile radius and as close as 12 miles from the Trinity site and the	00:18:41
	radioactive fallout caused cancerous disease such as leukemia, multiple myeloma and lymphomas. And whereas the Rica is scheduled	00:18:48
	to expire June 10th, 2024. So current congressional bills to extend.	00:18:55
	Expand Weaker have been introduced, including Senator Senate Bill 1751 and House Resolution 4426 that would include the	00:19:02
	downwinders of New Mexico for the first time.	00:19:08
	Where the US has approved $50 billion budget per year.	00:19:14
	For the last 33 years total of 1.650 billion.	00:19:18
	To maintain its current nuclear.	00:19:22
	But in the same period, less than 1% of that amount has been paid to these adversely affected by radioactive atomic tests. Now,	00:19:25
	therefore, we, the Mayor and the City of Socorro City Council do hereby support the health, welfare and safety of the residents of	00:19:31
	the City of Socorro by proclaiming the month of December.	00:19:37
	As proclamation and support of the extension and expansion of the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act.	00:19:43
	Very important. I've had patients that.	00:19:50
	Brain, tumors, liver, and all kinds of different types of.	00:19:53
	As many of them living in San Antonio, many of them living in Terrace also even had come to still see me. They've been trying	00:19:57
	really, really hard to get involved and I think Senator Ben Lujan and Representative Vasquez may have been working on this, but	00:20:03
	maybe we should send this happy to our legislative.	00:20:08
	People so that they know that we're behind.	00:20:16
	Great idea. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Alden, I'll make a motion. We accept the bid award to United Signs for the	00:20:20
	outdoor digital message sign for the Convention Center.	00:20:25
	So moved and seconded discussion. This is a digital sign. You know we have finally gotten a permit.	00:20:32
	To open up our interests from the Convention Center into the RV park off of Hwy. 60.	00:20:39
	This signage and all that will.	00:20:46
	Have very very helpful and I have to.	00:20:49
	Pattern Energy and Sunzia.	00:20:55
	Because we've been working with them. I don't know if you've been driving up towards Bernardo. You see this area where the RV park	00:20:58
	is, there's a whole huge area cleaned out.	00:21:03
	That's where the Sunzia people are putting in a Is it a substation?	00:21:08
	Or is it AI think it's a line that's coming through that Sun Zia line from it's a transmission line. I think the place to the West	00:21:13
	is just their staging area, the park, their equipment, but that isn't the general area. It's a little more I think to the east or	00:21:18
	to the West and to the South closer to the Royal.	00:21:24
	For our gas line comes through there and for our assistance they have been kind enough to to.	00:21:30
	Give us a compensation of $225,000.	00:21:39
	And so we're going to be using some of this money if you want to wear the money for the science coming, which is not cheap, it's	00:21:43
	over 100,000.	00:21:47
	But the digital sign that will be sitting there for?	00:21:51
	And that got.	00:21:54
	And we'd also like to thank Councillor Dean's husband Job for helping us rate these submissions.	00:21:56
	He.	00:22:03
	Joe Joe's a nugget and that guy is so great. But anyway, I just want to say that that's, that's part of the reason we're going to	00:22:06
	be able to afford this sign. We've gotten the the, we've gotten the entrance. We've got to just put a cattle guard.	00:22:14
	That that blue gate that opens up for the for the RV park and that's where the sign is going on. The sign will be going just at	00:22:22
	the gate of the Convention Center.	00:22:27
	And we've got Western.	00:22:34
	Telephone is also going by. They're going to give us some Wi-Fi for the RV park that has a lot more gigs rather than just the the	00:22:37
	Wi-Fi that we've had, but it'll be right there just outside the gate within our right away.	00:22:44
	On Hwy. 60. On Hwy. 60, yeah, because it's been very difficult. And that's a that'll be something for people going to Hwy. 60. All	00:22:50
	in favor, aye, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Again, make a motion. We passed resolution #23-11-21 the disposition of vehicles.	00:22:59
	And again, this is one of the vehicles that we are going to provide.	00:23:10
	The group that has gotten.	00:23:15
	Veterans Village down South.	00:23:19
	It's a van. Isn't that one of the Ruby? Is that on the list?	00:23:21
	No, that'll be next meeting. This is for the CNG, the dump that we got to destroy.	00:23:25
	But, but next week we're going to be putting on a van that they're going to be taking down to the that.	00:23:33
	Encampment down there. But anyway, All in favor, all right.	00:23:39
	New business.	00:23:43
	I've been asked as I have tried to give out more information about the electric utility.	00:23:45
	I sent all the all.	00:23:54
	Umm.	00:23:56
	Counselors The comparison between B&M and.	00:23:57
	Score electric Co-op that has been filed and I think polar that was filed with the PRC.	00:24:02
	Holy rates, yeah, that's the official rates and it's almost a 25 to 30%.	00:24:08
	Then in response, I've been asked.	00:24:16
	What are your rates going to be? And as we told the City Council by the end of December?	00:24:18
	We will have a pro forma and.	00:24:23
	That we will then.	00:24:27
	To let you.	00:24:29
	What came out of the engine? The preliminary engineering and the performer from our finance people.	00:24:31
	In the meantime, we've spoken to New Mexico Finance Authority about the.	00:24:37
	Ability to.	00:24:41
	Loans.	00:24:43
	I've also spoke to.	00:24:45
	Return is a city that has their own utility.	00:24:47
	They pay four and a half cents as opposed to 8 cents that the coop and they are with Guzman.	00:24:51
	Because mine has been very stable with them for the past four years, they have another three years to run on the four and a half	00:24:57
	cent.	00:25:00
	Energy cost.	00:25:04
	So just to let you know, there's another town like Aztec and Raton, they're getting energy.	00:25:05
	From Guz.	00:25:11
	And instead of tri-state for their city municipal.	00:25:14
	And that is a four and a half cent cost compared to 8 cents that the coop is paying and I just.	00:25:19
	Let you know that the coop is making a big effort in putting out information.	00:25:26
	Says questionable and and I am trying to account for all the information that they're putting out with specific things that have	00:25:31
	been filed with.	00:25:35
	Public regulatory.	00:25:40
	I'm sure as counselors, you will hear more about this.	00:25:43
	But our standards is that we'll continue on getting the municipal electrification.	00:25:47
	Until the council hears.	00:25:52
	For pharma, for finance and the cost.	00:25:55
	Of this one leg that we're doing right now with the industrial park and then you'll have a chance in January to say we'll continue	00:25:58
	or we won't.	00:26:02
	I think Mr.	00:26:07
	Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I want to highlight that because I had a lot of people come by my office that asked me about how how come the	00:26:09
	council jumped.	00:26:13
	Kind of put the cart in front of the horse and voted for for us to just start our own municipal electric Co-op. And I even heard	00:26:19
	one of the questions in one of the debates was asked and and I believe all we voted on was to learn more about it.	00:26:26
	And so we're going to get that information all in December so we can make an educated decision.	00:26:35
	Going forward in January.	00:26:39
	Right. But let me, let me, let me.	00:26:41
	Get people on track about.	00:26:44
	We automatically just jumped on right away.	00:26:46
	Almost eight years ago, the City Council in a public.	00:26:49
	With sunshine.	00:26:54
	To pass a municipal electric ordinance.	00:26:58
	We.	00:27:03
	Comment.	00:27:04
	We had comments from the city.	00:27:06
	And the.	00:27:09
	Make the motion.	00:27:12
	Remember Unan?	00:27:14
	To go ahead with the coord.	00:27:16
	To form a municipal electric.	00:27:19
	So it's not something new that just happened.	00:27:25
	If everybody wants to erase everything that's been going on in government in the last 40 years and just because they just heard	00:27:28
	about it. Now we've had meeting after meeting after meeting. We had a we had a a town hall meeting five years ago when we had all	00:27:34
	the major.	00:27:40
	People that were involved with this Guzman.	00:27:46
	The finance people are lawyers.	00:27:50
	And we had an open meeting with the club present.	00:27:53
	Then we just had another meeting a month ago at the school board.	00:27:57
	There are a lot of the people that are making these comments never attended and all of a sudden they think it's a brand new thing.	00:28:01
	It is not a brand new thing.	00:28:04
	Every time that we've had a decision to be made by the council, you did it in public, we did it with information that was	00:28:09
	available to you and we will do that again in January.	00:28:14
	But I have to say that if these people are making a comment now and I don't know who's prodding them to make these comments.	00:28:20
	They're totally uninformed about what's been going on in the last 10 years.	00:28:26
	With.	00:28:31
	My effort? The Council's.	00:28:31
	Get this Municipal electrification.	00:28:36
	Continued and the reason it's coming to a head is that they're losing their franchise. May 2024. I made a presentation and I	00:28:38
	showed that to you seven years ago when I went to the Coop and said this is the things that we need to have from you guys, they	00:28:44
	never responded. They gave me two minutes and showed me the door.	00:28:50
	So this is not something new. I don't know why people all of a sudden thinking that it's brand new. All you have to do is to go	00:28:56
	through the minutes.	00:29:00
	Closer to the video.	00:29:03
	Of all the meetings that we've had with different counselors and everybody, it's been unanimous. I know Mr. Aldean has always made	00:29:04
	sure that we had a relationship and a comments from.	00:29:10
	And and but I think that Mister olgins also voted yes for that.	00:29:16
	But you'll still get a chance to water down in January.	00:29:21
	But I'm just, I guess I'm responding to the fact that people are saying, well, it's brand new, how come you're jumping on this?	00:29:25
	The element.	00:29:31
	Yeah, I think the big thing.	00:29:32
	I'm sorry, the big thing that I wanted to get across was that when you're in a position of power that you can make decisions that	00:29:35
	they're going to positively positive, positively influence our constituents.	00:29:41
	That we don't go rush forward and sign another.	00:29:47
	Sign another agreement that all of a sudden takes all the power out of our hands and.	00:29:49
	And I felt very comfortable voting for that. For us not to sign the agreement because I think that would be totally foolish and I	00:29:55
	think everybody up here wants better.	00:29:59
	Everybody up here wants better. Everybody up here wants more inexpensive energy. Everybody up here wants to work together. You	00:30:04
	know, I truly believe that. But until we see, like, you know, exactly what happens.	00:30:11
	You know, we need to make educated decisions going forward and and I'm excited to see what comes out of the study.	00:30:18
	I can only give you examples of what's going on in Aztec and return.	00:30:25
	I can also tell you that I understand the people out in the.	00:30:30
	Are saying, well you know, our rates are going to go.	00:30:34
	But I also want to tell you what the facts are, and I try to get people to look at the the articles in the Colorado papers.	00:30:37
	Billions of dollars of.	00:30:45
	Energy that they're buying from tri-state is going away from tri-state.	00:30:48
	TR.	00:30:53
	If it loses Socorro, the city of.	00:30:54
	We're we're a little sand on a beach. They're losing a billion dollars worth of energy sales to Denver, Co.	00:30:57
	To Montrose Delta.	00:31:06
	To La Prada.	00:31:09
	So they lost Kit Carson. Those are millions. And then Denver's case, it's a billion. So if you think our their loss of our sale,	00:31:11
	their sales to Socorro City and Socorro is going to make a difference, which is about 14,000,000.	00:31:19
	To the loss that they're having is going to change the rates.	00:31:28
	You don't think the rates are going to change from tri-state because they're losing so many people?	00:31:32
	The other thing I tell people.	00:31:36
	You know people have been posting $2.69 gasoline in Albuquerque.	00:31:38
	$2.89 in Las.	00:31:43
	$3.29 in.	00:31:46
	Magdalena is $3.60.	00:31:49
	Energy cost as you go away from the big cities do get higher I don't see.	00:31:52
	City of Socorro or Las Lunas subsidizing the City of Socorro for lower gas like gasoline prices and the City of Socorro helping	00:31:59
	out Magdalena for lower gasoline prices. But yet they want me to help them out for lower electric rates out there because we are	00:32:05
	paying extra electric rates for outside the county.	00:32:12
	That's the club's fault if they would allow us to step into their footprint and get away from 8 cent electricity.	00:32:19
	And I guess you've been at that meeting at the school board?	00:32:27
	2/3 of your electric cost of 14 to 15 cents a kilowatt.	00:32:30
	2/3 of it is the cost of energy you pay to buy the energy from tri-state.	00:32:35
	That's $0.08.	00:32:40
	Because I just told you return is buying it for 4.5 cents. They haven't nailed down since three years ago. They have another four	00:32:42
	years to go on.	00:32:47
	We have the opportunity to buy 4 1/2 cent electricity.	00:32:52
	Which if you do?	00:32:56
	Just three and a half cents less than what the Co-op is paying right now will decrease our rates, just automatically. That four	00:32:59
	cents is guaranteed.	00:33:04
	Four and a half cents? No. That's why you're going to get it in December. It's not guaranteed.	00:33:09
	But I'm just giving you a comparison of what the other cities have gone through.	00:33:16
	To change from tri-state.	00:33:21
	I tell you one thing, the eighth sense is guaranteed for another 30 years.	00:33:24
	If not more but.	00:33:29
	Electric rates have changed and it.	00:33:32
	Four and a half cents and maybe $0.05 but it's going to be definitely less than $0.08.	00:33:35
	So, but you're right. I mean, I think that's what you have to, you'll have to discuss in January, Mr. We're running the process of	00:33:40
	building a substation, correct.	00:33:44
	No, we're not billing it. We're just getting the approved energy, huh? No, no, no.	00:33:48
	It what we're doing right now is just engineering up for the substation. It's like building a house, the architect designing the	00:33:56
	house before we get a cost of how much it's going to take to build it. They called a couple weeks ago and that's 75% done. So it	00:34:01
	should be done probably in December sometime Think of the plans to go out to bed. We're not building anything right now. You're	00:34:07
	going to tell us to move ahead.	00:34:12
	If.	00:34:18
	So in December, we're going to have basically a brand new feasibility study.	00:34:20
	I don't know what you mean by feasibility. Yeah. You'll have 2017 feasibility study. You have a cost and you'll have revenue to	00:34:25
	pay for the cost. Yeah.	00:34:30
	Well, what's it tell us how long it's going to take, you know with all the back orders on equipment and stuff like that. I don't	00:34:36
	know if you've seen the big solar array, they built a substation right there as you go by. You can see it coming up every day. So	00:34:43
	that's what we would be doing, but we got to get we haven't gotten the plans to put a price on it yet.	00:34:49
	These other communities that are going with Guzman, we're gonna, based on our demographics and everything, we're gonna fit right	00:34:58
	in and we're gonna be able to do exactly what they're doing.	00:35:02
	Pretty much in my opinion, I have to use that as a model, yes.	00:35:06
	And Kit Carson is 100% Sol.	00:35:10
	Christ State is promising to be 50% in two years. I.	00:35:12
	Kit cars has 100%.	00:35:17
	So, so we're not going to, we're not going to have another feasibility study like the one in 2017, is that right?	00:35:19
	What's the feasibility study in your mind? 52 page feasibility study that was done initially on all this in 2017 and it will have	00:35:25
	whatever.	00:35:29
	It had all the numbers. It had the construction costs that had whether it's feasible or not.	00:35:34
	It's called the interconnect. It's called an interconnect study. Instead of a feasibility, it'll give you the revenue.	00:35:39
	From the people that are going to be using this substation.	00:35:45
	And it'll give you the.	00:35:48
	And I also give you the cost of the money that you need to borrow the.	00:35:50
	And trick me if I'm wrong, the Weather Guzman was going to be running some of the money for us.	00:35:54
	I'm looking at other places. Guzman is very expensive. We may have to use Guzman as a bridge alone for one year because NFA they	00:35:59
	want one year of revenue before they will loan you the money.	00:36:04
	And we can go to bond, we can go to non taxable bonds, but the the rates right now are at 7 to 8% for commercial. We can probably	00:36:11
	get anywhere from 3 to 4% if we go.	00:36:17
	With the city tax non tax Bo.	00:36:24
	But again all that will be presented to us in December. Basically what's going to say is that within we started, we start now this	00:36:28
	within certain amount of years we should be able to be going into the city.	00:36:33
	This is the cost that it's going to be, however long that's going to take within a year because.	00:36:38
	I think if we can demonstrate to the council, but we have a plan ready to go, if they were within a year we're able to take over	00:36:45
	the entire city.	00:36:48
	Within a year.	00:36:52
	We have to do the leg first so that you're comfortable with the numbers.	00:36:55
	That I think the comment was, well, how are we going to pay for all this infrastructure?	00:37:00
	If the if the coop in.	00:37:05
	Wisdom which they are not saying that right now Co-op is not for sale, but in the in their wisdom if they say.	00:37:07
	The city.	00:37:15
	Going to be able to buy all their infrastructure.	00:37:16
	They paid $4 million in debt service every year right now on the loans they have from a company called Co.	00:37:20
	And some USDA.	00:37:27
	Those loans would then be converted to.	00:37:30
	For the infrastructure they have, they have a five year plan to spend $25 million on a leg to Magdalena has nothing to do with the	00:37:34
	city.	00:37:38
	So.	00:37:43
	That.	00:37:44
	Financing will be worked out with our financial people.	00:37:46
	And be presented to the Council if the Council accepts it.	00:37:50
	Fine. If they turn us down, fine. But we're going to.	00:37:54
	Black and white numbers as to.	00:37:58
	Feasibility of this leg?	00:38:01
	And then next would be the feasibility of the whole city.	00:38:04
	And in the meantime, a whole court comes to their senses and.	00:38:08
	And they still have that opportunity I think I don't know if you heard the the the CEO of of tri-state who came down was on the	00:38:12
	radio.	00:38:16
	He said, Well, I've still had the ability to opt out of 50% of the energy from being bought from tri-state.	00:38:20
	We've got to have an open discussion with a call about stuff like that, Will.	00:38:30
	We're happy to opt out if the coop goes in the direction of lower electric rates.	00:38:34
	The subjective stuff about how the Coop is a clothes shop we're trying to go in there is like a going into a.	00:38:42
	Place where you don't feel comfortable. I hope to change that, but the bottom line is decreasing the electric.	00:38:49
	If you notice the little thing that I sent you.	00:38:56
	If you use 450 kilowatts or less.	00:39:00
	Of electricity.	00:39:04
	The cost between PNM, which is a for profit company and Co-op said they're not-for-profit.	00:39:06
	Is almost 30%.	00:39:11
	Co-op than it is to.	00:39:15
	That's a.	00:39:18
	Number.	00:39:20
	On black and white. I don't know how they're going to fight that.	00:39:22
	I can only give you the numbers.	00:39:27
	And that's what we'll give you to make a decision on.	00:39:28
	Another good, Another good, I guess. Point.	00:39:31
	You know the the the board of the of the Co-op is.	00:39:36
	Down to change the managers, down to change, just like we saw. Now we have a new counselor coming on board or maybe new counselors	00:39:40
	coming in, in two years.	00:39:44
	And I think at least from my point of view, concern, major concern is.	00:39:48
	You know there isn't a board with the coop. Are they more willing? Will they be more willing to go towards this type of energy? If	00:39:52
	there's no counselors on board, are they going to be able to?	00:39:57
	You know, it's just there's a lot of way too many unknowns to where we don't know that.	00:40:02
	Anything I mean?	00:40:07
	If we can, that's why I was saying earlier, if we can hold off.	00:40:09
	Somehow, someway, and keep working. I didn't keep nipping at it. I mean, it's already there. It's already there because they tried	00:40:13
	very hard to.	00:40:17
	Beat me in my election if you saw some of the stuff to put out. But the bottom line is when Mr. Burson was there, he charged the	00:40:21
	city natural gas system. He used to be by a private.	00:40:27
	So now we can just go back and say, OK, well, we are getting rid of the natural gas. There's got to be some continuity in	00:40:33
	government when you pass an ordinance and you got to do it with numbers and facts. And that's what I'm trying to bring to the	00:40:38
	council, Mr. O'Connell.	00:40:42
	I just. I just want to make sure the public understands this 100.	00:40:47
	We voted to get more INF.	00:40:51
	Which I believe, I think, Mr. Partridge said in his answer when he answered. I want more info, I want to know more. That's what we	00:40:53
	voted for, to get more information.	00:40:58
	Number one, which we're going to get here soon, #2 We voted to not handcuff ourselves to another franchise agreement that our	00:41:02
	future generations are going to have to deal with.	00:41:07
	Doesn't they can't cut service on our on our folks, they can't cut, but it can be a one year or one year or year franchise	00:41:15
	agreement can be for one year, but why give up your position of power and negotiation?	00:41:20
	So that's the second thing. That's the second thing we voted for. And then the last thing that I'm just going to say, and I'm not	00:41:27
	speaking for anybody else up here, but I did my homework. I sat down and met with them.	00:41:32
	And they told me, guess what? There's more increases coming down the pipe.	00:41:37
	And I just thought, Man, enough is enough. Why would we hurt?	00:41:42
	Future generations like this, so nobody's voted to take over anything like I just want to see the info.	00:41:45
	I think everybody needs to see the info, but I think they need to see.	00:41:51
	Bigger picture, and it's not the coops fault. They're stuck with a contract that pull up maybe a sign, but you know.	00:41:56
	But I just. I'm just. I'm just saying that it's not the court. It's not the co-op's fault.	00:42:04
	But they have been given a.	00:42:10
	To change their energy source.	00:42:13
	Has a lot of other people are doing and I would welcome you to go visit Aztec or or or Raton or Montrose Co or or Delta Co or La	00:42:16
	Plata Colorado or the big Kahuna United Power in Denver. That buys a billion .2 million, $200 million worth of electricity from	00:42:24
	tri-state.	00:42:32
	The cost of Kit Carson to get out of tri-state was 35 million. The cost?	00:42:40
	United Power to get out of Christ State is $450 million, and they're pointing up the money to get out of it.	00:42:47
	So how is that going to affect the general picture of tri-state rates?	00:42:55
	Sakura electric car.	00:43:02
	Those are big. Those are big issues that everybody is going to have to look at and make a decision.	00:43:05
	As to do you.	00:43:10
	Want.	00:43:13
	Do you want cheaper electricity?	00:43:14
	You know, we spent 30 million already on our sewers and they're still falling apart. I haven't seen a dollar being spent on the	00:43:17
	infrastructure here in the city of Socorro on Old.	00:43:22
	There's there's wires flying around like noodles.	00:43:27
	There hadn't been any upgrades here.	00:43:33
	They've all been for Walmart, or they've been out to Magdalena.	00:43:35
	To battle, people from battle are calling me saying how come our rates are going to go up.	00:43:39
	I'm looking out for Sakura right now, but we're more than happy to step into the shoes of the Co-op.	00:43:45
	And again, back to the point that you said, what am I, what was the council going to decide? I'm hoping that if you show you the	00:43:51
	numbers.	00:43:55
	And we show you their numbers and that's what I tried to do with the cost of electricity.	00:44:00
	In that little box that I sent you with, with their cost being seven cents, co-ops cost of being $0.14.	00:44:04
	That's PNM and their for profit company. I hope the council comes to the right decision. My my job is to keep pushing to try to	00:44:14
	do.	00:44:18
	For the businesses, for the residents in Socorro, that's my job. And I think by lowering electric rates, I'm doing my job. I can't	00:44:22
	even tell you. And I and I put on my medical office.	00:44:27
	I paid $0.20 in A.	00:44:33
	That's what commercial is paying 20 to $0.21 a kilowatt. Who's going to come in here and start a business, or especially a big	00:44:36
	manufacturing business at $0.21 a kilowatt? Manufactured. Marijuana manufacturers. Marijuana manufacturers.	00:44:43
	I think 7 out of the is that three is left maybe?	00:44:52
	I guess, I guess you're right. You must have a pipeline to them, so to speak. But I, you know, I don't know.	00:44:59
	But but.	00:45:05
	That's my.	00:45:07
	But Mr. Ocampo, you will have hopefully the numbers.	00:45:08
	You need for revenue and for expend.	00:45:15
	This is only for this one leg. It's not for the.	00:45:19
	It's only for the hospital, New Mexico Tech, the high school, the new junior high and the complex rodeo complex and the.	00:45:22
	So that that's what you'll have.	00:45:30
	Plus.	00:45:32
	Hed.	00:45:34
	Mr. Mayor, to kind of expand on Councillor Dean's question over 4 1/2 cent. Eight.	00:45:37
	Is not guaranteed at this time because, as the mayor said, there's been some changes in market conditions.	00:45:45
	When we first issued the RFB to Guzman, they guaranteed their rate for seven years.	00:45:50
	And as the mayor.	00:45:56
	A couple of these meetings.	00:45:59
	Raton has three years guaranteed, another four to go and towels had a seven-year contract like Raton, but last year Guzman	00:46:01
	extended it for 15 years. The the guarantee that they gave us on the MSRP, they extended that for 15 years.	00:46:10
	Seven years hard is what they gave us for seven years. That's like 4 years old.	00:46:20
	But they're going to give us a new guarantee price for seven years.	00:46:27
	Well, they can give it longer, but seven I think is the minimum that they said. But again that's.	00:46:34
	Those are the questions we've got.	00:46:39
	Our job is to answer for the.	00:46:41
	Session.	00:46:44
	I'm sorry. I quit. OK. Sorry. OK. Any other new?	00:46:49
	Any old?	00:46:56
	OK, then there's no football game or anything. Come on, we've got.	00:46:59
	Personnel, personnel, No executive session. Marianne is not here. We're not going to go into that, are we?	00:47:05
	Personnel personnel matters who have Caitlin Garcia dispatch transfer from police a 40 Jason Romero police new hire Joe Martinez	00:47:10
	gas resignation Hobstrad fire resignation Audrey Romero Senior Center resignation.	00:47:18
	And.	00:47:27
	Are you here?	00:47:29
	Stand up so they can see what our new policemen are going to look like.	00:47:30
	And thank you for coming on.	00:47:37
	Appreciate.	00:47:38
	That's the that's the personnel.	00:47:40
	Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hicks personnel changes that's presented moved in segment.	00:47:42
	All in favor. All right, Mr. Mayor. Mr. We go back one item to deduct descriptions within the package.	00:47:49
	Job description I'm sorry.	00:47:57
	This is a job description for.	00:47:59
	You go ahead and stand. I don't know. I believe it. I don't have the pack with me because I'm trying to save money by not printing	00:48:03
	paper, but I believe it's for the security officer. That's what I had mentioned before about the resource officer.	00:48:10
	Supporting ours and I think we worked it out with a with a with a president of the school board and.	00:48:17
	Superintendent Hendricks, this is a provide Security Service for assigned city facility. Oh, this is different. Provide Security	00:48:25
	Service for assistant assigned city facilities to include animal control, city parks, Wells, Gastro Division. Protect facilities	00:48:30
	from unlawful intrusion and criminal acts and ensure public safety.	00:48:36
	I apologize, it's a totally different thing.	00:48:43
	So this is for this is not a police officer, but a security officer.	00:48:45
	Kind of like, what would they have in Albuquerque? The.	00:48:56
	They're not police officer, but they're no, no, no, no, no. They're working for the Police Department.	00:49:00
	So it's similar to that.	00:49:07
	We need a motion to approve them. Yes, Sir. I shall make that motion to approve the facility security officer.	00:49:13
	Movement seconded.	00:49:21
	All in favor.	00:49:23
	OK. Sorry about that. We've got businesses all over the place here, Los Pinos.	00:49:25
	Leopino and home childcare Unruly bullied.	00:49:32
	Gets me bummed out. Oh she's a dog breeding kennel. These are these are these are proved by the PNC and there's a home permit. 801	00:49:36
	entertainment, 6 grand Way. Robert Fuller Entertainment Company, Mountain West golf skates have brought in New Mexico. John	00:49:42
	Mundergald, Kerry Salon. 11 Sassy Land. Kerry Durkin. AAA Welding San Antonio. Shane Atwood Hospitality Network. Larry Koval Wi-Fi	00:49:49
	equipment.	00:49:55
	John Heckman, Artist, 607 Highway. Still like Oriental paintings.	00:50:03
	Ameresco, Clinton, MO. Energy Solutions.	00:50:08
	And Albuquerque as.	00:50:12
	Brian Lockridge Construction.	00:50:15
	The folk for Lake Asian food.	00:50:19
	Oh, Community Kitchen, Tim Ash, Food Preparation for Farmers Market.	00:50:22
	Wild West James. Western Wear and Lead and Green Chili, Victor Morales Restaurant Five O 8 Grant.	00:50:27
	Mr. Mayor.	00:50:35
	Make a motion to do the business registrations as presented. Mr. Mayor, we might have some of these folks in the audience tonight.	00:50:37
	Who's making the chili?	00:50:41
	Who's out there?	00:50:46
	Who's on?	00:50:47
	Is that what you're saying? Come on, it's OK. We're only on.	00:50:49
	All right. But who are you anyway? Just tell us. You don't have to show your hands and which restaurant or which business it's	00:50:55
	not. It's not that one. Tiffany's here. Tiffany. Tiffany. Well, you know.	00:51:01
	Yeah, yeah, of course. And where?	00:51:08
	You know, I had a question with an Christie's not here, but she explained it really well.	00:51:12
	And what you're doing and that's great and you're going to have you're on pinion.	00:51:17
	Jennifer and you're gonna have it enclosed in the yard and all that, which is good luck to you and you've got all your	00:51:23
	certificates.	00:51:27
	So that's great. Is that what you're not saying? I thought it was.	00:51:30
	But, but it is a good, I mean, yes, it's a home permit and they passed the planning and zoning and flying colors that the	00:51:35
	restaurant did.	00:51:39
	Adult and doesn't say that it's a PNC approved by PNC, but not be the zone that's a.	00:51:43
	The 1st and the 1st 2 Green chili restaurant on Grant St. The last one, Yeah, that's five away. Grant. Yeah. It's a restaurant. Or	00:51:50
	is it a food preparation? I think. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I asked Christy about that. She couldn't give me any information either, so I'm	00:51:58
	not real sure about that one. You want to, You want to table that one? No. No. OK. We've had a motion.	00:52:07
	And any other discussion?	00:52:17
	All in favor, aye.	00:52:19
	And so December 5th, we.	00:52:22
	Swearing.	00:52:26
	At 6:00.	00:52:28
	For every the new the new elected officials.	00:52:31
	And including the re elected officials and the re elected offic.	00:52:35
	OK.	00:52:40
	They were.	00:52:42
	Be elected.	00:52:44
	OK. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you first.	00:52:47
	Done. You OK?	00:52:52