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	Some Christian Church.	00:00:00
	And they did it. And then people change. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.	00:00:01
	Jeff, Jeff was going to, he said. He said the check when we saw in Drakes.	00:00:09
	There was a controversy that was like people were people made one and they were making money off of it.	00:00:16
	Opposed.	00:00:22
	Huh.	00:00:23
	602.	00:00:25
	Ohh.	00:00:27
	Kind of sickle 2602. Excuse me, here we go.	00:00:28
	Now Are you ready?	00:00:32
	Alright.	00:00:34
	This is the City School City Council meeting June 20th.	00:00:35
	2023 Roll call, please.	00:00:39
	Councillor Travis Lopez. Yeah, Councillor Dean.	00:00:42
	Councillor Fleming.	00:00:46
	And.	00:00:47
	Councillor Hicks here, Councillor Ocampo here.	00:00:48
	Councillor again?	00:00:52
	Councillor Romero.	00:00:53
	And.	00:00:55
	Councillor Salomi.	00:00:56
	We have a quote.	00:00:59
	I'll rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:01:00
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:09
	Staff.	00:01:12
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty meaning that too.	00:01:13
	Mr. Mayor.	00:01:23
	Mr. Hicks, make a motion. We approve the consent agenda.	00:01:25
	Move to seconded discussion.	00:01:29
	Author.	00:01:31
	This.	00:01:33
	Executive session to the.	00:01:36
	Aren't right under public form.	00:01:38
	You know.	00:01:40
	Second One second.	00:01:42
	Moved and seconded discussion, all in favor.	00:01:43
	And we are at.	00:01:48
	Public forum? No, it's after before the public forum.	00:01:52
	Mr.	00:01:55
	Anybody at the public forum would like to make a comment that's not on the agenda.	00:01:57
	We'll be doing a hearing for the ICP later right down.	00:02:04
	OK.	00:02:08
	Stop.	00:02:09
	Not hearing anything from the public forum.	00:02:10
	We will.	00:02:13
	Make a motion to go into executive session.	00:02:15
	Mr. Robin Motion going Executive Session.	00:02:17
	One second.	00:02:21
	And roll call please.	00:02:22
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:02:26
	Councillor Dean, Yes.	00:02:28
	Councillor Fleming.	00:02:30
	Councillor Hicks? Yes. Councillor Ocampo? Yes. Councillor Olguin. Yes, Councillor Romero.	00:02:32
	Councillor Salomi.	00:02:40
	It's the. It's the body that is.	00:02:43
	Watching. Please excuse us.	00:02:46
	Because we don't have any other place to have the executive session, we'll just have it here.	00:02:49
	Happened in executive session.	00:02:53
	Sorry, Mr. Mayor, the Council discussed one potential legal matter. No action was taken.	00:02:56
	Thank you. And I should say that before we went to executive session.	00:03:01
	We did not say what we were going in for.	00:03:06
	My omission?	00:03:10
	It was for legal matters.	00:03:11
	Mr.	00:03:14
	September 3rd, OK, we're at ordinance authorizing execution and delivery of loan agreement for the landfill cell. Let's make a	00:03:15
	motion we pass ordinance #23-06-20 a second.	00:03:21
	Moving and seconded discussion.	00:03:27
	All in favor.	00:03:30
	Well, let me see. I'm going to have to take A roll call. It's an ordinance. Sorry.	00:03:32
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:03:39
	Councillor Dean.	00:03:41
	Councillor Fleming.	00:03:43
	Councillor Hicks? Yes. Councillor Ocampo? Yes.	00:03:45
	Councillor login, yes.	00:03:49
	Councillor Romero.	00:03:50
	Councillor Salome.	00:03:53
	We will go into public hearing for the I CIP. This is the second hearing.	00:03:57
	Motion for public hearing for the IP #2.	00:04:03
	OK. The seconded all in favor?	00:04:07
	Sedano.	00:04:11
	I understand you have a.	00:04:12
	Comments for the ICP.	00:04:14
	Yeah.	00:04:19
	Council, women and Councilman.	00:04:19
	Thanks for hearing me.	00:04:21
	I'd like to thank the Street Department for the last few years for fixing Lopezville, where I live.	00:04:23
	Um.	00:04:29
	Well, I asked the question probably about 10 years ago. Hopeville was #5 and getting repaved or?	00:04:31
	It's I live on the far end of Lopezville.	00:04:37
	And a few years ago, they did pay part of Louisville, but not the far end. So I would like you all to consider moving Lopezville,	00:04:41
	if it's still on the list, up a little higher.	00:04:45
	To try to pave it, the county did some chip sealing.	00:04:50
	On the very far North End.	00:04:55
	So.	00:04:57
	Need to say, but the county section looks a heck of a lot better than the city section.	00:04:59
	But the.	00:05:03
	City workers do come every year, few times and.	00:05:04
	Patch potholes and also I do appreciate that, that's all.	00:05:08
	Thank you Donald. Was that qualify for a map project?	00:05:13
	That's a loaded question. It might.	00:05:19
	Umm.	00:05:21
	Just because of the waste of coral design, but I will look into that.	00:05:22
	We will take that into account.	00:05:29
	We'll put that through the council when we have recommendation for CIP projects to move it to #2. What's number one?	00:05:32
	Currently.	00:05:42
	Currently, it's still the Finley Gymnasium complex.	00:05:43
	So let's but that's your suggestion. OK. Thank you. Appreciate it.	00:05:46
	OK, keep up the good work and all the council people and the mirror.	00:05:50
	And ministration. We found one that would help us. Just giving us angles here that won't help your case.	00:05:54
	Thank you and Mr. Mayor, thank you for all the work you do. I apologize to the Council. I forgot to put the last year's list and	00:06:02
	the ranking sheet in the packet that there on the desk.	00:06:07
	This evening, if I could get those back by the second meeting in July, we'll vote on that in the first meeting in August.	00:06:12
	Anyone else that's in the audience would like to make a comment.	00:06:18
	Yeah, Hi, this is Amy Kimball. I was wondering what I CIP stands for and what did Lopez will just get moved in front of?	00:06:26
	Noblesville has not been proved it was said yet.	00:06:33
	I'm sorry, I said my name. Yes, Amy Kimball.	00:06:36
	OK. I didn't get you, I apologize. You need it for the just to correct that.	00:06:38
	There's a recommendation from Mr. Tadano to move it to the second.	00:06:44
	That will be voted on by the Council as to whether we do that or not. Or it may be 6th or 7th or second depending on.	00:06:48
	The other.	00:06:56
	The things that the ICP, ICP stands for.	00:06:57
	Infrastructure capital improvement plan.	00:07:01
	It's kind of five year. It's longer than that because we have so many projects on it, but it's at least a five year plan on what	00:07:03
	we are prioritizing.	00:07:07
	It is used.	00:07:12
	When they go to ask for money and grants.	00:07:14
	They look at that to see if that was a priority that was designated by the City Council.	00:07:18
	So when you go to the legislature and you ask for.	00:07:23
	Capital outlay?	00:07:27
	They will look at that and say, well, this is #9, how come you didn't ask for it? So that's how that works.	00:07:28
	Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Anyone else?	00:07:34
	Mr. Mayor Hicks.	00:07:38
	Not seeing any other public.	00:07:41
	And put a little bit, we're back to the regular session.	00:07:43
	Thank you.	00:07:46
	So moved to seconded discussion, all in favor.	00:07:47
	There, there's a public hearing for disadvantaged business enterprise goals.	00:07:51
	Yes, ma'am, Mr. Again, make a motion when the public hearing for the disadvantaged business enterprise goals for fiscal year 22	00:07:56
	through 24.	00:07:59
	As for City of Sakura, I'm a little lost or what. This is Donald, Mr. Mayor. This is the first time I've seen it myself was for	00:08:05
	this meeting. But it's to try to steer projects to disadvantaged businesses or businesses that are registered to disadvantaged.	00:08:13
	Women of minority owned military veterans, those type of things. So this is saying.	00:08:20
	And as you can see in the the handout, there were no projects for fiscal year 2022.	00:08:26
	And the snow removal building is the project for 2023. But why the City of Sequoia Municipal Airport?	00:08:31
	This is for the airport project so that they get special.	00:08:40
	For federal funding, has federal.	00:08:44
	Is there anyone in the audience that has interest in this?	00:08:48
	Not seeing anyone, that's true. Again, make a motion, we go back into regular session.	00:08:54
	One second.	00:09:00
	Move to seconded all in favor.	00:09:02
	This is the bid award that was postponed at the last meeting.	00:09:06
	For preliminary engineering design for electric utility substation.	00:09:09
	And distribution system Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hicks makes a motion will be awarded work for SP 024023.	00:09:13
	Mr. Warner, Mr. Romero seconds it.	00:09:26
	Discussion.	00:09:30
	That's my questions now or?	00:09:33
	Ask them now. So with the new electricity that's coming around, you said it was going to be?	00:09:36
	And the industrial park New Mexico tax.	00:09:43
	And that's correct.	00:09:46
	It will be the IT will be the whole area on Hwy. 60.	00:09:48
	From the high school.	00:09:53
	To the bridge.	00:09:55
	Which includes the Jail Decca Pearl.	00:09:57
	Includes a few of the marijuana plant people.	00:09:59
	Includes the Convention Center.	00:10:03
	Who's the hospital? Includes the high school.	00:10:06
	So when do?	00:10:10
	People like myself.	00:10:11
	When can we tap into that?	00:10:14
	This is, I think the Council wanted a step by step process.	00:10:16
	And so this is the first process is about 10 megawatts.	00:10:19
	The city uses about 3536 megawatts for the whole city.	00:10:23
	This will be about 1/4 or a.	00:10:27
	Quarter of the.	00:10:29
	Load that the coop delivers to the city.	00:10:31
	And so the next step.	00:10:34
	In my opinion would be that the Co-op would then see.	00:10:37
	The writing on the wall.	00:10:41
	And allow us to take over the whole city even before their franchise is over once they see us progressing with this.	00:10:42
	I know the coop has had.	00:10:50
	We invited them to this meeting. I know the coop has, one by one, spoken to the city councillors and told them certain things that	00:10:52
	I don't know about, but one of them was.	00:10:56
	Well, they're saying that the city was going to be without electricity.	00:11:00
	But the city took over the electrical grid.	00:11:04
	Which is absolutely false. They're not allowed to do that. They have to provide utility services that have been provided. It will	00:11:06
	be month to month.	00:11:10
	But the PRC and FERC will not allow them to just abandon the city like that.	00:11:14
	So there. But they wouldn't come to the city.	00:11:19
	At the City Council meeting and put sunshine.	00:11:21
	On the discussion that we would have back and forth.	00:11:24
	They've never come to us. The meetings that I've had, I've asked them certain questions.	00:11:26
	They never come back to me without answers of those, and one of the questions was.	00:11:31
	How much does your electricity cost the city for?	00:11:36
	Kilowatt.	00:11:39
	I have figured it out to about $0.18.	00:11:41
	A kilowatt. They have not returned that information to me.	00:11:44
	We met with them a month ago.	00:11:48
	We think we can provide electricity for this leg.	00:11:50
	Anywhere between 10:00 and $0.13 per kilowatt.	00:11:53
	But until we do this primary preliminary engineering report.	00:11:57
	We won't know. We won't know that that cost.	00:12:02
	Mr.	00:12:05
	Like Councillor Millers, I mean Councillor Marianne Lopez Chavez is asking campus locus.	00:12:07
	What time frame for the time that you OK tonight? Will it be until?	00:12:13
	They are actually using synthesizers. City, or maybe besides the court, Metrocity. They're probably at least a year.	00:12:18
	Because this preliminary engineering.	00:12:24
	And then the other one that you're getting is what they call an interconnect because we still have to use tri-state lines.	00:12:27
	To get the electricity to us.	00:12:33
	We'll build our own lines out at the industrial park.	00:12:35
	But we still have to use tri-state lines to what we call wheel to bring the electricity to us.	00:12:38
	From Guzman.	00:12:44
	And that will have to be done.	00:12:45
	And tri-state by law.	00:12:48
	Has to allow us to do that.	00:12:51
	They will have to put a price on that.	00:12:54
	Which we think would be anywhere from 2:00 to 3:00 cents a kilowatt.	00:12:56
	Which will add to the cost.	00:13:00
	But.	00:13:02
	That's what we'll have to get. That's how we get the electricity to our grid.	00:13:03
	We will then provide the greater to go ahead and.	00:13:09
	Distributed to the industrial park and New Mexico tent.	00:13:12
	So, well, that's so well the customer be able to use just like CenturyLink and TDs, will they be allowed to choose the coop or the	00:13:16
	city or is it just going to be the city, the city because the coop is using our property to put their poles on to deliver that	00:13:22
	electricity?	00:13:29
	And we are not renewing their franchise agreement as of May 2024.	00:13:35
	They will not be using they if they want to put it on someplace else and be competitive.	00:13:41
	Be our guest.	00:13:46
	But that's not what's going to happen. They're not going to be able to use our property because they've been using it for 25	00:13:47
	years.	00:13:51
	And and.	00:13:55
	That's where that is.	00:13:56
	Hello. Hello.	00:14:03
	You're sleeping.	00:14:07
	Peter, was that you or Anthony won't strike up?	00:14:09
	I will get back on.	00:14:12
	Who was it?	00:14:15
	Go ahead who? Who wants the floor?	00:14:17
	Anthony, did you want the floor?	00:14:22
	Stop.	00:14:25
	Peter, do you want the floor?	00:14:26
	OK.	00:14:31
	He just lost.	00:14:33
	If you have any comments.	00:14:35
	Uh.	00:14:41
	OK and.	00:14:44
	Indeed.	00:14:46
	Take.	00:14:48
	Side.	00:14:49
	Yeah.	00:14:50
	May 3.	00:14:50
	They lose their franchise in May 2024.	00:14:56
	What time?	00:15:00
	Where they will lose their franchise May 2024. We will carry the franchise on month to month.	00:15:02
	If they're duty bound to continue.	00:15:10
	And once we are ready to.	00:15:12
	Flip the switch.	00:15:14
	Which I think will be at least it will take a year for us to build this out depending on, you know, some of the problems with the.	00:15:15
	Where they call that?	00:15:22
	Supply.	00:15:23
	Television.	00:15:24
	Transformers and that thing then once we get get this line in.	00:15:27
	Then we will disengage from the court.	00:15:31
	But that's if a new mayor doesn't come in, right? Or if when you're the mayor, you're going to keep doing this.	00:15:34
	JC I don't know. JC didn't say he was going to do it, but but yeah, that yeah, but.	00:15:41
	But if you set it in motion now, which is what you're supposed to do, and not take the can down the road, you already have done an	00:15:46
	ordinance.	00:15:50
	You know, we're making, we're making decisions here like I tell people that are generational, we're making at the City Council.	00:15:54
	We put in a new sewer system.	00:16:02
	We're getting broadband.	00:16:03
	You know, we've we've got a Convention Center on the rodeo. We're working on a new road on Hwy. 60. We're doing generational	00:16:05
	things here that affects support for 25 years.	00:16:10
	If we want to continue to live under the yoke of the crop for 25 years again.	00:16:16
	Then we can renew the franchise and we can go on and do and they're going to be increasing the rates.	00:16:21
	I understand the next century, next month, they're going to be interested in increasing rates.	00:16:25
	So that's what we're doing.	00:16:30
	So right now we're just trying to trying to do we're doing generation with Miss Dean.	00:16:31
	So it's my understanding the industrial park is going to cost us about $8,000,000 to build.	00:16:37
	And we're hoping that it's going to be supported by the revenue generated.	00:16:44
	And then down the road.	00:16:50
	After the franchise agreement expires, we are hoping.	00:16:52
	Hoping.	00:16:56
	To acquire the coop.	00:16:57
	To the tune of another $30 million.	00:16:59
	So I guess that's what I'm struggling with and that.	00:17:03
	That's that's I hope.	00:17:07
	So it's like there's no guarantee on any of this, but we can do the one, the first part because we're.	00:17:09
	Prepared and we're.	00:17:16
	And I'm well set up to do that and that would take care of part of the community.	00:17:17
	So I just want to say that.	00:17:23
	More people have come to me and said please just drop it and I don't know the reasons exactly, they all had different reasons.	00:17:25
	Then I had people come to me and say this is a great idea. What you guys are doing is fantastic, so I just want to put that out	00:17:32
	there.	00:17:36
	Umm, let me ask you a couple of your questions.	00:17:40
	The clock, if you look at their finances.	00:17:44
	They all $40 million right now.	00:17:47
	To the USDA.	00:17:51
	And the Cobank?	00:17:53
	They're paying $4 million.	00:17:55
	A year on their debt service.	00:17:57
	That that service.	00:18:02
	When they're. When they're creditors, look at what's happening, which is basically the USDA and Cobank, which is a.	00:18:05
	National.	00:18:12
	Long authority that works with the USDA.	00:18:13
	They're going to look at their franchise agreement and they're going to say your franchise agreement is under duress.	00:18:16
	You need to either.	00:18:22
	Make good on your debt.	00:18:24
	Or you need to turn it over to the city.	00:18:26
	So that debt is already there.	00:18:29
	And.	00:18:32
	They haven't changed out any of our polls.	00:18:33
	They haven't done anything to improve the city services with that debt.	00:18:37
	And we're saying that.	00:18:41
	We're going to acquire, just like Raton, Aztec.	00:18:44
	Bloomfield is in the process.	00:18:49
	Here she has her municipal electric grid.	00:18:51
	And the money that's being generated is going directly to Colorado. It's not being a benefit to even New Mexico.	00:18:54
	The money for the electricity that's being generated.	00:19:01
	We're saying we're going to try to keep some of that money here.	00:19:04
	And we're going to try to make sure that the consumer is.	00:19:07
	Has protected against any kind of gouging.	00:19:11
	Which I mean about.	00:19:14
	Going to have to take your lease and your warranty deed down to the.	00:19:16
	Co-op have to start an account, whereas at PNM in Albuquerque you can just go on the Internet.	00:19:20
	Set up your account. Those kinds of things are so archaic right now with the Co-op that.	00:19:25
	They they offered to get the franchise agreement, but they never offered any of this.	00:19:31
	Maybe they did to the individual counselor, but they never came here and said, you know, Rabbi.	00:19:36
	Don't do this. This is what we're going to do. They never said that.	00:19:41
	So that's what I have to say to people to say, well, leave it alone, well.	00:19:45
	You don't make generational changes by leaving things alone that are already killing the city in my opinion at $0.18 a kilowatt,	00:19:48
	whereas PNM which is a profit making organization, they get 11 cents a kilowatt.	00:19:54
	Facebook.	00:20:00
	They demanded.	00:20:01
	57 Electricity at Los Lunas and they wanted it all solar.	00:20:02
	So I'm just saying if we're going to do any kind of economic development or move ahead in the city or people that are poor.	00:20:10
	Are on fixed incomes are just getting unbelievable electric bills. So that's that's my spiel on that.	00:20:16
	Mr. Hicks due to claw bar and $1,000,000 shopping last year and they borrowed 25. They borrowed $25 million.	00:20:23
	Forward in the next 5 to 6 years to.	00:20:32
	Fix the Magdalena line.	00:20:34
	And will are going to have to end up paying for USDA, actually.	00:20:36
	You should tell Taurus is the one who's touting how she gave the money to the coop, but she gave $25 million.	00:20:39
	Our USDA money for that, for five, not a one year thing. It's like a five year expansion.	00:20:45
	They haven't, I don't think this and they're coming up for another increase in their rates. That's coming up pretty soon and least	00:20:52
	at 6%.	00:20:56
	And then, you know, you know, I don't see that in the paper or see that public they're raising their rates. Nobody said anything	00:21:01
	about it.	00:21:04
	We did win a case, however, when they said they were going to raise their race and we took up the court with Tech.	00:21:07
	And the city won. And tech one.	00:21:13
	OK. Also on admit on the million.	00:21:16
	Yeah.	00:21:19
	If we get it passed to start with the text.	00:21:20
	Industrial park in that area and there there's grants and stuff available for that, Is that correct?	00:21:24
	We have people already on the line and I know Mary Ann Jarvis who was knows about these people and in Colorado.	00:21:30
	Mr. Malhotra and those people that are willing to help us with solar.	00:21:37
	And USDA grants.	00:21:42
	To get the electricity going.	00:21:44
	So I did go to the court just.	00:21:47
	You see the other side of it and.	00:21:50
	I've got some.	00:21:53
	Two good answers.	00:21:54
	You want to share those with us?	00:22:00
	What?	00:22:04
	Folks, let's strip politician.	00:22:08
	They talk around the picture for never answer.	00:22:10
	Ohh.	00:22:15
	Asked exactly how much you know prices went from.	00:22:18
	Didn't seem to.	00:22:22
	One time with Afghan at 2.6.	00:22:24
	So you pay it half cent just for the electricity, so I know that.	00:22:29
	And then umm.	00:22:34
	They formatted if.	00:22:36
	Push through if the city does.	00:22:39
	Do something with this.	00:22:42
	That uh.	00:22:44
	Holes and the wires are theirs, so they would be taking them down.	00:22:45
	And I said you mean.	00:22:51
	Just gonna go in there, take him down, and that's city property.	00:22:53
	The proposal stuff belong to us.	00:22:56
	And I finally got him to say well.	00:22:59
	Yeah, we will take him down eventually, but we will.	00:23:01
	Raymond there. Until something goes on, but they're creditors will not allow them to do that.	00:23:04
	Is they're going to have to generate revenue to pay the loans that they have.	00:23:10
	And and and.	00:23:14
	900% but my lawyers and our finance people say.	00:23:16
	When they get into that situation, they're going to have to sell.	00:23:20
	Their hardware.	00:23:23
	At a great cost, because.	00:23:24
	They can't. Creditors are not going to let them.	00:23:27
	Have more business that generates revenue.	00:23:31
	And allow that to happen. I just, I just that's just not going to happen. Well see that's what they were telling me. They said	00:23:34
	that they cannot sell any equipment.	00:23:38
	And this they get 60% of the total members.	00:23:43
	28,000 and to get.	00:23:48
	60% of that and it won't happen.	00:23:50
	Now they said that themselves, that they would never, they could never do that, but they're not. They can't sell their stuff. But	00:23:53
	that, that, that's their, that's their part. Our part is you lost your franchise.	00:23:58
	You know your last release on this building.	00:24:04
	If you have people that.	00:24:08
	Have.	00:24:10
	Have have stock in your.	00:24:11
	Business and you've lost the lease.	00:24:13
	It's not that at least the person who owns the building is not going to say, well, I want to vote on the stock people whether you	00:24:16
	can be going to get out or not.	00:24:20
	They don't have a choice. That's not their choice.	00:24:23
	How long have you been working on this franchise with them?	00:24:27
	About 1215 years.	00:24:31
	I can remember a long time ago trying to get them to set up for 2400. Got here.	00:24:34
	And we went to court.	00:24:41
	21 They've made it to the judge, made a decision.	00:24:43
	That's where the franchise will sense it.	00:24:47
	May 2024.	00:24:49
	The judge made that decision in that court case, which have another question.	00:24:51
	And Guzman.	00:24:55
	And let's say a transformer goes out, they have the equipment they can get us back on.	00:24:57
	Right away. Ohh, yeah. I mean, they're not there. They serve Kit Carson, which is twice as big as ours.	00:25:03
	Chris Monsters kick Carson next this service Aztec.	00:25:10
	Which is about. It's probably a little bit bigger than ours, but it's about the same.	00:25:14
	You know, they they service a lot of people. They service.	00:25:18
	This service Southern Colorado, they service Delta Montrose.	00:25:22
	And so they service that right now they're gonna be in negotiation with Denver.	00:25:26
	You know there are billion dollar buyer of.	00:25:31
	Of of I don't know if you got any of you read all the information we sent.	00:25:34
	OK.	00:25:38
	But.	00:25:38
	They're they're going, they're going away from tri-state.	00:25:39
	And this is this is their biggest buyer.	00:25:43
	Office.	00:25:47
	Usually being a stickler and calling about your procedure, but I'm going to make a motion to pass this resolution so we can have	00:25:49
	discussion because really, you're not supposed to.	00:25:54
	That's right. Well, I mean, we're gonna take the bullet. We'll take a vote.	00:26:00
	Against.	00:26:04
	Mr. Mr.	00:26:05
	Who's that?	00:26:07
	Ken told Mr. Ogan I had recognized him. Can you let him speak first, please?	00:26:09
	Yeah, have a seating written down.	00:26:15
	First, I want to start by clarifying some things based on the last meeting. I'm not kahoots with the Co-op. I'm not speaking for	00:26:17
	the Co-op. I'm not protecting the Co-op. I feel I'm speaking for and protecting my constituents who instilled their trust in me	00:26:23
	when they elected me. I just want to make that clear. Yes, I have an open line of communication with the Co-op manager and the	00:26:29
	Co-op board chair at that. I have also had this open line of communication with passport charges as well.	00:26:36
	I feel they listen to me and I and I listen to them that you may information I asked for so I can form my own opinion on moving	00:26:43
	forward with me. With municipal electricity, I have information from both sides which helps helps me feel confident in my vote in	00:26:47
	favor or against.	00:26:52
	Unfortunately, I'm not the type of person to just quote, UN quote, take the mayor's word for it. It's a very big and expensive	00:26:57
	endeavor that's not only going to affect people's support, but people around us.	00:27:02
	I'm not saying it's a bad idea by any means.	00:27:07
	You may It may be that in fact, we could one day benefit from municipal electricity.	00:27:09
	However, however, all this started in 2014 on the difference of opinion between the city and the court that led to the UM study in	00:27:14
	2015.	00:27:18
	In 2016, we passed a resolution allowing the city to have a municipal owned electric utility as well as approving the funds to do	00:27:22
	a feasibility study.	00:27:26
	The feasibility study was completed in June of 2017, which was six years ago.	00:27:30
	Within that feasibility study, in my opinion, all the stars had to be aligned for this to work at that time.	00:27:35
	There's a lot of data presented within this study. That data is 6 years old.	00:27:41
	From post pandemic world will post pandemic issues.	00:27:45
	It is Is it the administration's opinion that nothing has changed within that feasibility study since then?	00:27:48
	There are so many what ifs within this study as well.	00:27:53
	For example, the study concluded that.	00:27:56
	That, and I quote in the near term, the city may need to read to keep the rates for residential uses the same as those currently	00:27:59
	within the SEC, because the city likely cannot apply new, lower electric rates.	00:28:05
	To some residential users within or immediately adjacent to the park, and nor the residential users outside of the industrial	00:28:11
	park, rates of residents served by the new city infrastructure may have may have to remain similar to the SEC rates at the time of	00:28:16
	commencement.	00:28:21
	Of service by the new city utility to the park.	00:28:26
	Ultimately, the city's goal is to bring about reduced rates for all city residents.	00:28:29
	My question is, how long will it take before the residents conceive the supposed lower rates?	00:28:34
	In the argument has been the electricity is preventing any new businesses from coming into oral, when in fact we have many new	00:28:38
	businesses that have come into town since then.	00:28:42
	One industry in particular, marijuana cultivation.	00:28:46
	There are three new grow houses that have just signed up with the Co-op, on top of two that are already here.	00:28:49
	For example, in Boulder County, Colorado in 2016, the average grow house uses 41,808 kilowatt hours per month.	00:28:54
	The average household uses 630 cup kilowatt hours per month.	00:29:01
	It's a lot of electricity.	00:29:05
	The electric rates through these businesses for coming to coral.	00:29:06
	Obviously not.	00:29:09
	They will be. They will be producing a product shipping out.	00:29:11
	Bringing one in and providing jobs so the idea that the business will never want, that businesses will never want to locate in	00:29:15
	support of is a facade.	00:29:18
	My opinion, there are bigger issues within Socorro.	00:29:23
	That is hindering economic growth, not electricity.	00:29:25
	According to the information provided us today.	00:29:29
	The last major action taken regarding electricity was taken in 2020 for the gross receipts.	00:29:31
	Increase funding effect on July 1st, 2020.	00:29:37
	Within the minutes provided from one of the meetings, I asked the mayor.	00:29:39
	How long will we be using the funds raised from this tax increase?	00:29:42
	The electric utility.	00:29:46
	He said two years.	00:29:47
	Where it won't be on the two years is the money still being used for electricity?	00:29:49
	Why has it taken three years to get to this point to?	00:29:53
	But just to this point, to approve a bid to proceed with the substation.	00:29:55
	Why is it now something that we have to do today?	00:29:59
	Do we need to do?	00:30:02
	A new, updated feasibility study.	00:30:03
	Again, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm presenting the fact that at this time.	00:30:06
	There are way too many unknowns for me, and I do feel I do. I do not feel comfortable at all supporting this endeavor at this	00:30:09
	time.	00:30:12
	I believe that there's still some collaboration working together between the two entities to come to a common ground agreement.	00:30:16
	We will all win in that situation.	00:30:22
	The franchise agreement terminates in less than a year, but still that is plenty of time to continue to collaborate.	00:30:24
	With the corruption you utilize, what is already in place for the time being is equal. Perfect, no?	00:30:29
	Are there things that the clock could do better on the CC's eyes and the community's eyes? Absolutely.	00:30:35
	But I'm confident those issues could be resolved with better communication from both sides.	00:30:39
	There's a time.	00:30:43
	Where in fact we have an accurate data.	00:30:44
	All sides have presented their case.	00:30:46
	And the city is in a position to provide.	00:30:48
	Electricity to our residents might be 100% for it.	00:30:52
	Is comfortable right now. Thank you.	00:30:55
	Mr. Salami.	00:30:58
	Restart.	00:31:01
	See.	00:31:02
	Cinema stability and the mayors of the election and who the mayor is or who the mayor might be, but I I think that.	00:31:04
	The city government and the municipal governing body being the the solidified in the council.	00:31:14
	You know because if we run four year terms, so for two years over those four year comes the council members are there, may or may	00:31:24
	not be there.	00:31:29
	And some other counselors may not be there, but the council is designed to run in a way where there is previous institutional	00:31:34
	knowledge to carry forward through the election process for those two years. So I think.	00:31:42
	You know, for it to be dependent on on the mayor who's running, I don't think that's it at all. I think. I think the decisions and	00:31:50
	and the theme of.	00:31:55
	These big projects go on and are designed for the betterment of our residents is solidified in the council itself.	00:32:00
	I just wanted to say that.	00:32:11
	Thank you. Thank you any other comments.	00:32:13
	Mr. Ocampo, thank you.	00:32:18
	You know, I met with the Co-op as well.	00:32:20
	And.	00:32:23
	You know all all I got from from them was that.	00:32:25
	Rates are going to continue going up.	00:32:28
	Umm.	00:32:31
	The reasoning why I really didn't quite totally understand because I got like two or three different reasons.	00:32:33
	Umm.	00:32:39
	And I know if nothing changes, nothing's going to change. We played, we pay more electricity and everybody else around us and I	00:32:41
	don't get that.	00:32:43
	And I don't get why we continue doing that and.	00:32:47
	I don't.	00:32:50
	The miss mismanagement, who's who's in charge of this, that or whatever, I'm not sure. I know that I got an agreement put in front	00:32:51
	of me and I was told by the Co-op that this agreement.	00:32:57
	This.	00:33:03
	This author basically is to allow us to use City Landed right away.	00:33:04
	And that they were totally 100% expecting us to go forward.	00:33:10
	Although they thought we would fail.	00:33:15
	As a city utility. So to me it seems like they've already.	00:33:17
	They've already.	00:33:25
	Totally. They're already totally expecting us to move forward.	00:33:26
	And I believe that the studies are the next steps to see.	00:33:30
	What?	00:33:34
	The feasibility is now.	00:33:35
	Like.	00:33:37
	For us just to walk away from it.	00:33:38
	When we had, when we could have something better for our constituents on the horizon.	00:33:40
	I think would be foolish. Not only that.	00:33:45
	But.	00:33:48
	You sign something, and then you lose all your bargaining power.	00:33:50
	You sign something and then it's like.	00:33:53
	OK, now we're at the mercy again.	00:33:55
	And and I know we pay more.	00:33:58
	I know we pay more than people around us.	00:34:00
	And why is that?	00:34:02
	So it's Mister Man.	00:34:03
	Councillor Campbell the the the reason why we're even here today was because of the.	00:34:06
	Recognize you before you start rebutting something.	00:34:11
	I think Mr. Ocampo is right.	00:34:16
	I'm disappointed that.	00:34:19
	All the things that Mister Olguin said.	00:34:21
	I wanted to hear that from Mr. Herrera or Leroy and Naya sitting out there.	00:34:24
	Not somebody else.	00:34:30
	Saying something that.	00:34:32
	Is third party.	00:34:35
	And.	00:34:37
	That's my biggest disappointment that they've never come through the.	00:34:39
	City Council meetings every time we bring the subject up and saying, you know.	00:34:42
	Mayor Council.	00:34:47
	We're gonna.	00:34:49
	Help the community. We're gonna be cooperative. We're gonna get better broadband, We're not gonna keep TDs from hanging wire on	00:34:50
	their poles.	00:34:54
	We're not going to have them going underground and.	00:34:59
	Breaking into our shorelines and water lines, you know we're going to fix these poles over here so that they're high enough.	00:35:01
	That we can hang that broadband on there.	00:35:09
	And we're not going to charge TDs a million eight.	00:35:12
	To do that.	00:35:16
	And yet, and their franchise agreement, if you saw it, is, they're gonna do broadband.	00:35:17
	Which is is beyond me.	00:35:23
	Mr. O'Neill.	00:35:26
	Honestly I was just saying comment on Councillor Campos saying that the reason we did do the feasibility studies, we're not. I	00:35:27
	mean these are going to, these are just on top of the feasibility studies to get started feasibility study was to get us to the	00:35:32
	point that to allow us to.	00:35:37
	The Council would be confident enough to even do the.	00:35:42
	Substation.	00:35:45
	So yeah, there's going to be more studies. There's going to be more stuff within those. But that's why we're here is because that	00:35:46
	feasibility study.	00:35:49
	Umm.	00:35:52
	So I'm sorry, I just, I just want to add that and Mr. Ogan referred to it way back UNM Business School.	00:35:54
	Dennis Study.	00:36:02
	As to whether it's costing Socorro?	00:36:04
	To be used several electric coop.	00:36:07
	And it was a negative study as far as how much?	00:36:10
	They were taking away from the city.	00:36:14
	So your comment about are we gonna get anywhere, we're gonna move anywhere.	00:36:17
	And the connection and the timing of these studies were slowly moving towards it.	00:36:21
	Most welcome.	00:36:25
	Well, I I did bring up like whether it's.	00:36:26
	10% of renewables or something. Is there a way that the city and the club can work together? Is there any way that in this world,	00:36:29
	whatever it looks like now to bring the rates down? Like is there anything that can happen? And then the option to do 50%, like to	00:36:35
	get 50% of your energy somewhere else. And I understand there's a buyout involved, but they throw that away. They never did it.	00:36:42
	They didn't do it. But I did ask him, I said, well then how could we, like no one understand?	00:36:49
	Signing this, knowing that the rates are going to go up further and people are hurting, how can we?	00:36:56
	Like feel comfortable going forward, like why would we go forward? And all I was told is you've been doing it for 75 years, but	00:37:01
	take a look at their their model.	00:37:06
	Everybody who put up solar panels and representative parameter was.	00:37:12
	One of those that put it under her building.	00:37:16
	And.	00:37:19
	Talk about alternative energy.	00:37:21
	What they did was they took away the incentive of people putting solar panels because they kept decreasing the amount of money	00:37:22
	they were giving them.	00:37:26
	For putting that.	00:37:30
	Electricity back into the grid from.	00:37:31
	Nine cents, eight cents. Five cents, four cents, one cent.	00:37:33
	And so.	00:37:37
	She didn't have a bill but in order to put more electricity and they weren't going to pay anything so.	00:37:38
	The incentive from tri-state basically they.	00:37:44
	Price State dictates.	00:37:47
	What and how much solar you can have when they sell it?	00:37:49
	They're at 5%.	00:37:53
	We have a proposal and I don't know if I said that, you said.	00:37:55
	Across that 5% renewables.	00:37:59
	Price State had a rule that they were only going to have 5% renewables.	00:38:01
	That I have information saying that it's 34%. Next it's going to be 50.	00:38:06
	So you're telling me that the coop is getting 34% of their electricity through solar?	00:38:11
	From Christ.	00:38:16
	Well, what do you mean natural gas? What is minerals? What whatever encompassed over there is your reference on that?	00:38:19
	I mean, once, I mean, Joe Herrera have references, yes. Who was that? I mean, what's the reference? And we looked that up	00:38:26
	somewhere that I can provide that information in the council, OK, but but the alternative we have?	00:38:33
	A proposal to get 2 megawatts out of those 10 megawatts that we're going to be providing at the industrial to put in a solar.	00:38:39
	Array, we already have somebody that actually.	00:38:46
	From the people that you've dealt with in Denver and he's going to try to get us a grant to do that.	00:38:49
	And they do that for he's doing it for Aztec. He's right now.	00:38:54
	So that's 20% minimum right now.	00:38:57
	If it we're ready for the question, I'll be more than happy to discuss more if you'd like, Mr. Hicks.	00:39:01
	Umm.	00:39:07
	Well, I was talking to.	00:39:08
	Mr. Mayor Leroy and I, we we were getting along and that is one of the questions I asked him. I said, well, are you out to find	00:39:10
	more?	00:39:14
	Solar panel.	00:39:18
	Are you going to offer the people more money?	00:39:20
	For them, putting on the solar panel and their money, I mean into their houses.	00:39:23
	And then actually buy it back. And he says, well, we don't buy it back, we give him credit.	00:39:27
	So when it's out and it's going to be out a whole bunch of night time, they can't use your solar, so they have to use us.	00:39:31
	And that's why we can't buy it from them, but we're just give them credit for for for the amount that they use at night, the	00:39:38
	soldiers not working.	00:39:42
	Um.	00:39:46
	I meant to bring the.	00:39:48
	Franchise he.	00:39:51
	Did he show you his franchise that he wanted for the?	00:39:52
	The manager that he wanted for the city to sign for.	00:39:56
	It was in the packets.	00:40:01
	As we get less.	00:40:03
	Who was the car lot? Right? This is what I want to buy that car for.	00:40:05
	Mr. Mayor, Councillor Hickson only respect, That's what. That's why you negotiate.	00:40:10
	Yes, and I'm happy you said that, because that's what I was asking them. Why can't we get something done?	00:40:15
	Why can't you work with the city?	00:40:22
	And get something in the middle. I'm I'm where we're going in the middle. I think that's great I think if.	00:40:25
	If if it's, it's fixed.	00:40:32
	Excuse me, it's one.	00:40:35
	Wanting to give.	00:40:38
	And everyone not wanting to give.	00:40:41
	I do believe the city.	00:40:43
	Would give.	00:40:46
	It's the corporate gift.	00:40:47
	And his answer was.	00:40:49
	No one ever asked me anything.	00:40:51
	I says.	00:40:53
	You've been brought in on this.	00:40:54
	I know we've talked to you about this. Well, how about this? How about that? We'll give him if you give him.	00:40:56
	And your answer is I'm not giving anything.	00:41:01
	Thanks man.	00:41:05
	Still answering my question was answered when I asked if if based on that feasibility study.	00:41:06
	If everything is still the same six years later.	00:41:12
	I'm sorry, I'm just looking at renewables from price state, which is?	00:41:19
	The number PA is 5%.	00:41:23
	27% natural gas and oil, 15% of the contract, 53% coal.	00:41:26
	I don't know where you got your information from, but anyway this I'm seeing that again, I didn't know. I said I just I don't	00:41:34
	think my my question was answered when I asked you based on that feasibility that was done six years ago. Is that all that	00:41:38
	information still accurate and still the same?	00:41:42
	The information is accurate except for the cost of energy. That cost of energy has gone up a little bit from four and a half cents	00:41:48
	up a little bit in the I think it's gone up to 4.74 point, eight cents. That's the only thing different.	00:41:54
	The feasibility study and, and you know, I would implore the Council to invest in this.	00:42:01
	Preliminary engineering result report.	00:42:07
	So that you can again vote on whether we need to move forward. This is step by step. I'm not asking you to eat the whole	00:42:10
	enchilada. I missed my so that that the cost for that preliminary gene studies $100,000, correct?	00:42:17
	100 and it's it's yeah. So I think it's 152.	00:42:24
	152,000 and so we're going to spend another 152,000 and.	00:42:29
	I mean, I don't even know how much fun have you spent on attorney fees and everything else before that. So we keep spending money	00:42:33
	to. Yeah. So we keep spending money. I mean.	00:42:37
	But again, again, I'm not. I want to. I want to. I want to emphasize I don't think it's a bad idea.	00:42:41
	I just think that all this stuff, I mean you you say, I think, I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be, we keep proceeding,	00:42:47
	we're spending $100,000. We proceed on that. OK. Well, I think that then I think it's still going to work. But I mean it's just	00:42:51
	there's too many things. And again, if I feel confident, if I have all the information, if I have all the data, if I have	00:42:56
	everything in front of me and I believe in it and I believe it's going to work, it's going to benefit the city, yes, 100%, I'm all	00:43:01
	for it.	00:43:06
	But there's just way too many what ifs and.	00:43:11
	I mean if it's if that's what I say delay, I don't, I don't care about the after the mayors race, I don't care about after the	00:43:14
	council race. I mean it's still going to be there. The issue is still going to be there.	00:43:18
	But as long as we.	00:43:23
	Give it a full effort. Like I said, negotiate.	00:43:24
	If we don't negotiate, I mean we don't know what what, what they told you. We don't know what's been said. I mean could there be a	00:43:27
	public public meeting or you can you can debate Joseph and you guys can compare data, you guys can go back and forth. It's public,	00:43:32
	it's on.	00:43:36
	It's on TV. Or bring this to the issue to the voters. Let the voters decide if they want to have a city running electric utility.	00:43:41
	I mean, I just don't think that us eight people based on the data that we have is enough information for us to move forward with	00:43:46
	this. I think that.	00:43:51
	I mean again it's it's just too much up in the air right now and again it's going to affect.	00:43:56
	Not only, I mean could be good for support, it could be bad, but it's also going to affect people from outside around us and.	00:44:01
	I mean, we got to be able to.	00:44:07
	Talk to our neighbors around us and say This is why we did it.	00:44:09
	I mean and then the quote has to deal with their fate if we do move it in that direction. But I think that if there is some, the	00:44:12
	ability to negotiate whether it's adding stuff to the franchise agreement that you want that the council agrees to. I don't, I	00:44:17
	just don't see, I mean some of the stuff, but yeah, yeah, you can't guarantee lower rates. We can't guarantee lower natural gas	00:44:22
	rates. I mean there's it's, it's, it's.	00:44:28
	Just like in the temporary, you can't predict that you can lock them in, yes.	00:44:33
	But we what are we locking him in at? I mean, we're going to spend this money again, move forward. I mean, we just don't know.	00:44:37
	Go go ahead.	00:44:47
	You know, ever since we've been working on this, which we've been working on it for a very long time.	00:44:50
	And the council every time has voted 100%.	00:44:55
	To go do some more looking.	00:44:59
	To look into it a little bit further.	00:45:02
	Uh.	00:45:05
	So I see it as the council is behind it enough to spend what they did 100% of the vote.	00:45:07
	Are you still behind it on what is?	00:45:14
	That's, you know, if you're going to respond every time that somebody says something, I guess what you what you feel.	00:45:18
	I can't have that.	00:45:23
	Finishing up Mr. Hicks.	00:45:26
	Mr. Mayor.	00:45:28
	This is Nick.	00:45:30
	Mr. Fleming.	00:45:32
	I don't know.	00:45:34
	I have an.	00:45:36
	And pinion that.	00:45:38
	For approximately the last.	00:45:39
	10.	00:45:42
	To 11 years.	00:45:44
	We have been asking.	00:45:46
	The Co-op to come meet.	00:45:48
	With the administration or even.	00:45:52
	Comcast City Council.	00:45:55
	As far as I, my recollection is.	00:45:59
	They have never taken.	00:46:04
	Any advantage of our offers during that 11 year time span?	00:46:06
	Is that correct? That's true?	00:46:12
	So, you know, I mean, it's up to the council Again, I say this is a generational decision. I'm not timid about it.	00:46:18
	I think there's something we can do to make sequel a better place to live, be more inviting.	00:46:25
	At least get on this. We're not going to get better. We're just going to be on the same plane as Los Lunas and Berlin and.	00:46:32
	People that have PNM services.	00:46:37
	That's all we're trying to do.	00:46:40
	And then at this point I think.	00:46:42
	I'm ready to get a mismatch with the question. I just want one more thing. Well, I just was gonna ask what were the offers that	00:46:45
	were made over the last 15 years, but.	00:46:49
	Um.	00:46:53
	Yeah. So I'll just ask that question. So Councillor Fleming for to you, what were what were those offers that been offered? What's	00:46:55
	the city?	00:46:58
	Specifically want from the court besides cheaper rate.	00:47:02
	Donald.	00:47:09
	Yes, You don't have the letter I sent Joseph about.	00:47:10
	Three years ago as to what the city wanted after we were talking with so many people coming to City Council complaining about the	00:47:15
	cop, we said.	00:47:19
	We we we asked for and I and I said it again to them.	00:47:23
	Directly to them. I don't know if you shared that letter with you.	00:47:27
	But.	00:47:31
	Lower rates.	00:47:32
	Better consumer relations.	00:47:34
	Easier economic and easier business.	00:47:37
	Response.	00:47:42
	The the PRC told them to do economic rates.	00:47:43
	In that lawsuit that they lost.	00:47:46
	Have they put any economic, Mr. Burnett, Have they done any economic rates?	00:47:49
	Not to my knowledge, Mr. Mayor, and it's also my understanding that.	00:47:53
	Economic development rates from the Co-op cannot go to existing businesses, they can only go to new businesses. So there's not	00:47:58
	only I was out of the cannabis Mr. Dean talked about with the economic development they didn't offer them and the other thing is	00:48:02
	that they were.	00:48:06
	Sorry.	00:48:13
	On the border of someone else. Floors down here. You got free for all for the coop, Mr. August. Give me a break here. Polo did.	00:48:15
	That they were going to send me their rates.	00:48:22
	That we put down California St. yes we we did get LED rates when we when we were at the PRC we.	00:48:25
	We were kind of under the impression and.	00:48:32
	That when a light burns out, they were going to replace it with LED, but they found a loophole in that so.	00:48:36
	So that light has to be probably, I guess, shot out or?	00:48:41
	Or can't work so.	00:48:44
	Yeah, they do have. We do have LED rates like California streets since we put our own LED lights. We still paid them our old rate.	00:48:48
	They won't recognize that as one of their LED lights when the state.	00:48:56
	So those LED lights should put down California and the entrances exits are the same as the the hype intensity where they call them	00:49:01
	pay high sodium rates, so high, so, so.	00:49:06
	So that that's the kind of trouble, that's the kind of problems, you know, you asked the question about what it is that we wanted	00:49:12
	from the coop.	00:49:15
	What the PRC wanted from the Co-op Talk about expending money. They took it to the Supreme Court.	00:49:18
	That ruling that peer seed made against them.	00:49:23
	Supreme Court bounced it back. Talk about legal fees, which you ended up in. The original filing is still in this.	00:49:26
	The Supreme Court.	00:49:35
	Practice to death. That's too bad. They're not here to talk for themselves.	00:49:37
	But that's unfortunate, especially when.	00:49:41
	Regarding Councillor Dean, Councillor Dean's concerns about knowing what the future holds, that was what was approved at the last	00:49:44
	meeting and the pro forma financial statements. Once we get those built, that will give you a clear picture of what's estimated as	00:49:49
	revenue expense. The whole nine was.	00:49:55
	Mr. Mayor.	00:50:02
	Yeah.	00:50:04
	Is that so?	00:50:05
	Wouldn't you think that we would do the that first before doing the preliminary design and and all that if we can that way we know	00:50:07
	for sure that.	00:50:11
	We can sustain it.	00:50:16
	We've had conversations about that and we've had some assurances from consultants that it's going to work in at the 12 and a half	00:50:17
	cents or whatever we can sell it at, which includes money to replace.	00:50:23
	But you can't. But you can't.	00:50:29
	The proforma.	00:50:31
	Financial has to work in concert with what the PR is going to tell us it's going to cost. You can't have one or the other. These	00:50:33
	two, both things are going in parallel, just like the interconnect thing that these are all going in parallel trying to get this	00:50:37
	thing up.	00:50:42
	And I guess that was another question that I when I talked earlier is that, I mean I understand the franchise agreement is coming	00:50:50
	up super soon, I get that, but.	00:50:54
	I mean, the last major decision was in 2020 and here we are three years later.	00:50:58
	In June of 2023.	00:51:02
	And.	00:51:05
	Now we have to absorb all this information and and what's what?	00:51:07
	And what took so long? How come we didn't start doing? Why didn't we do the preliminary study last year?	00:51:13
	Or the two years, like after you say we're only going to use it for two years. Like, why don't we what? What's what's the	00:51:18
	reasoning that we have to do this today?	00:51:22
	Because it was a slow absorption of information.	00:51:27
	And making very careful.	00:51:31
	Statements and moves.	00:51:33
	To get to this point.	00:51:35
	With no response from the coop.	00:51:36
	They could have stopped us at any time, if they'd come with any kind of.	00:51:39
	Positive responses other than the last minute having meetings with individual councillors and not coming to City Council meetings.	00:51:43
	You know, as I said.	00:51:51
	We're making a generational change here.	00:51:53
	Depends on what your feelings are, if you feel that you want to.	00:51:57
	Kick it down the road until the next election or January of 2024. That's just another.	00:52:01
	Another deal that gets closer to May 2024, but.	00:52:07
	At this point I think.	00:52:10
	It's prudent to spend this money.	00:52:12
	To get the engineering study.	00:52:14
	Get the interconnect.	00:52:16
	Get our financial performance and then we'll come back to the council.	00:52:18
	You still haven't crossed the Rubicon here. You still are halfway.	00:52:21
	If you think we should just stand still while the water rushes by us.	00:52:26
	Or you think we should go back and wait for the new mayor? Or do we think we just keep plotting across and trying to get through	00:52:29
	the other side, which is what we're trying to do right now? We're not through the other side.	00:52:35
	You haven't approved everything. We may have spent 152,000 for nothing, but I don't think so, but.	00:52:40
	But you still have a chance to turn it down saying, well, you know, it doesn't look like it's going to work.	00:52:46
	So that we're moving step by step by step to that point, Mr. Mayor, you've already guaranteed your your win next to, I mean during	00:52:51
	this election anyway, so it's not going to go anywhere. So I mean because I'm gonna win anyway. So either way I mean it's still	00:52:56
	going to be here. This is still this is still going to be here. And I mean why can't we have if you if you're guaranteeing that	00:53:02
	win and you're going to be here next May, why can't we get all the information and get all the accurate data? At least I could	00:53:07
	feel something.	00:53:12
	But it's gonna, you know, man is gonna go on with it. I mean, she, you know, JC will have to get all that pressure, you know?	00:53:19
	We do our businesses, we do our business and that's look for.	00:53:28
	You know, these like Congress does. You kick it down the road, you know, we just, I mean we don't do that. If you want to vote no,	00:53:33
	I I am.	00:53:36
	I am.	00:53:39
	All in favor of of your.	00:53:40
	Of your arguments, and if you can get everybody else to vote, live with that and live with that. That's not a problem.	00:53:42
	Mr. Hicks.	00:53:49
	Can we go on somewhere? OK, It was asked to watch.	00:53:50
	Nothing.	00:53:55
	It was asked earlier about.	00:53:55
	No businesses coming here.	00:53:58
	Because electricity being so high.	00:54:00
	Didn't bother anybody.	00:54:04
	These are two.	00:54:06
	Businesses.	00:54:08
	That I know of for fact.	00:54:09
	One number is.	00:54:12
	Perlite place.	00:54:15
	They couldn't afford electricity.	00:54:16
	And make the profit line they wanted to do it pop into perlite with electricity.	00:54:20
	They came to the city and switched over to gas. It pops it better and it's a whole lot cheaper.	00:54:26
	I ask.	00:54:33
	The gentleman that owned the solar panel out there.	00:54:34
	I said, why are you leaving? I mean, you're set up, everything's doing good. We're.	00:54:38
	What do we do? Well, why are you leaving?	00:54:43
	This is electricity bills too high.	00:54:45
	She'll put a pencil to it, said we can't do IT support. Let's do it someplace else. That's Ohh, man.	00:54:49
	May I know?	00:54:56
	When I had my Body Shop.	00:54:57
	It was very high.	00:54:59
	Given high as it is now but.	00:55:01
	There is.	00:55:04
	Look at this. Look at the Circle K and just moved in.	00:55:06
	Wow, that's used in a bunch of electricity.	00:55:09
	And you're absolutely right, the the growers for this marijuana stuff.	00:55:13
	That's what Leroy pointed out to me is they're using a bunch of electricity.	00:55:18
	Yeah, a lot higher rate than they should have to be paying too.	00:55:23
	Miss. Dean, I call for the question one last one last so so.	00:55:28
	I mean, then we can. This is a good debate. I like this, but.	00:55:34
	So how many You say people can't survive based on electricity, but how many businesses have struggled within Sapporo because of	00:55:38
	the workforce?	00:55:42
	How many businesses have suffered because of other issues, not just electricity. There's other issues that we're facing right now	00:55:47
	with sectoral.	00:55:50
	That my opinion don't know about the other council, but in my opinion I think we should start tackling first or we dive into	00:55:54
	something so exuberant.	00:55:59
	OK.	00:56:06
	Today we're talking about the electricity. We're not understand that there's been a call for the question on 2nd and 2nd call for	00:56:07
	the question.	00:56:12
	I'll have to ask for a second.	00:56:17
	Man on for sale.	00:56:20
	OK. Would you do a roll call for this question, Mr.	00:56:23
	Panetta, so you can go down in history as whatever.	00:56:27
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:56:31
	Councillor Dean.	00:56:34
	This is the motion is to accept the.	00:56:36
	Sorry, let me read this again. I've forgotten about it. It's the authorizing.	00:56:39
	Authorizing bid award for the preliminary engineering design.	00:56:45
	To the company.	00:56:49
	OK, Chavez. Lopez, yes.	00:56:51
	Answer Dan.	00:56:53
	Councillor Fleming.	00:56:57
	Yes.	00:56:59
	Councillor Hicks, yes.	00:57:01
	Councillor Ocampo, Yes.	00:57:04
	Councillor O'quinn No.	00:57:08
	Councillor Romero.	00:57:11
	Councillor Saloni.	00:57:13
	Motion passes through, was it?	00:57:18
	Well, no, but I mean, again, as I the caveat is.	00:57:20
	There's a come back to you.	00:57:24
	Whether to move forward once we get all our stuff together, but it's going to have to get.	00:57:26
	We have to do this all one step at a time. It's not going to be something that.	00:57:30
	We're just going to keep going on with it if you feel that we're going to fail with the information we bring you at the next	00:57:33
	meetings when we have these done.	00:57:37
	Then we will. Then you'll have another vote.	00:57:41
	I mean so and maybe the cookbook step up and.	00:57:44
	See that we're doing something that they're going to work with us with some reasonable amounts such as the 5050 deal that they	00:57:48
	could have done with where they could have gotten their energy 50% from somewhere else and 50% from tri-state and they never	00:57:52
	looked at that.	00:57:57
	But anyway, I'm sorry, Chicken would let time on it.	00:58:02
	This is the execution.	00:58:05
	That's another.	00:58:07
	For the compactor.	00:58:09
	Miss Thrill again make a motion. We pass Resolution #23-06-20 second.	00:58:11
	Move to seconded all in favor.	00:58:16
	This is.	00:58:20
	This is a resolution for the investigation of the tri-state interconnect that I was telling you about that the that the tri-state	00:58:21
	is going to be the one that carries the power to us.	00:58:25
	And in order to do that, you have to literally interconnect with the tri-state lines.	00:58:30
	So this is just an investigation into it.	00:58:35
	To see what it's going to cost us, that'll bring together all the cost of this project.	00:58:37
	Mr. Hicks, Meghan Motion Doing the Budget resolution.	00:58:43
	Question. There's 12-06.	00:58:47
	There's two old being.	00:58:50
	Consideration of Detroit State.	00:58:52
	Second ****.	00:58:56
	More than seconded.	00:58:57
	Discussion Mr. Logan. Is there cost associated with this?	00:59:00
	Hi.	00:59:04
	I think not. I mean I think there are consultant Mr. Lewis is the one who's going to you're probably will bill us but we're	00:59:05
	talking about.	00:59:09
	Less than 1000 I I don't this is not a you have to put in an application to try, yeah.	00:59:14
	You have to.	00:59:20
	There is a cost associated, but it's not not enough $100,000 that range. I just want to clarify that because the information I got	00:59:21
	said that it's about $100,000 to do this with tri-state.	00:59:27
	Is that right?	00:59:34
	Well, I'll bring you the cost.	00:59:36
	I'll bring you the posture once application is done then.	00:59:38
	Then there'll be cost. Of course there's going to be cost to do it because it's just, it just says investigate. I'll bring you the	00:59:41
	cost. Yeah, that'll be all rolled into.	00:59:45
	Developing healthy, we're just asking you asking us to allow us to investigate it and and actually put in the application.	00:59:49
	And so once it's applications and what's the time frame on that, we'll get the information back.	00:59:57
	Ohh, not the application. We're going to bring you the cost of putting in the application, but so the cost of putting the	01:00:03
	application and then.	01:00:07
	They do Their tri-state, does their stuff. How long will that take?	01:00:11
	But there's two costs. There's one cost is investigating, which is not going to be very expensive.	01:00:15
	The next class would be put in the application end.	01:00:21
	And if that takes for lawyers and for lawyers, have to now be.	01:00:24
	Washington DC based and not.	01:00:28
	State based.	01:00:30
	And so that can, that can run into money, but we'll bring you the estimate of the cost, yeah, for for Samsung when they.	01:00:32
	Through the application for the interconnect it took I think 180 days.	01:00:40
	To find out that tri-state was going to really charge them way too much.	01:00:45
	Not just going to be.	01:00:49
	One of the, did you see something about the cost? Yeah, it was in the millions to do it so.	01:00:51
	Application. Yeah, but that that interconnects a little bit different than what this this was. This was the 100 Meg field.	01:00:57
	That Samsung, the big Samsung company, was going to put out here.	01:01:05
	And they needed to interconnect to tri-state to put that energy into the grid.	01:01:09
	And the price stayed really hung them out to dry and they left the project. Mr. Mr. Maxwell again. So. So we approved this.	01:01:13
	There's no cost by us approving this, is that correct?	01:01:18
	Paulo, we approve this. We're not paying anything.	01:01:24
	Our consultant will will be doing it. So there will be a repeater consultant. You'll have to, you have to say that the cost is	01:01:27
	less than 25,000. It's not, I mean I'm giving a bigger number but it's it's not, it's not a million or something to be close to	01:01:32
	that.	01:01:36
	We'll bring you back because I don't know what the cost is. We need to ask you that.	01:01:41
	Mr. Hitler like an estimate.	01:01:46
	They'll tell us question. This is the one with the yeah, this is an outline of what they'll have to do and what it's going to cost	01:01:48
	and they'll give us the.	01:01:52
	They'll give us the cost estimate as they.	01:01:56
	Put out the outline.	01:01:58
	It was a bit of a bid.	01:02:00
	The way it's written there, I'm making this like they're just giving an estimate of what it's going to cost.	01:02:03
	Or postpone it. That's fine with me.	01:02:10
	If you wanna get a get across, I mean whatever.	01:02:13
	Motion with the sponsor the next meeting.	01:02:16
	There was already a motion to approve.	01:02:19
	He can. He can.	01:02:23
	Not just withdraw your motion.	01:02:25
	But the medium and the main motion.	01:02:27
	And you can't make them up. You can't postpone the motion. That's with the motion that's already been made to pass.	01:02:30
	You can just.	01:02:36
	This withdrawing a motion.	01:02:38
	Well.	01:02:42
	With someone can withdraw the motion.	01:02:43
	Anyone vote for it. This is not.	01:02:47
	If it's excessive, I'll bring you. I will stop it.	01:02:50
	I'll give you all the information at the next meeting and I will not move forward. If you approve it, I promise not to move	01:02:55
	forward with it until they give me an estimate.	01:02:59
	But I have to have the ability to talk to them about it. That's why we're bringing it to you.	01:03:05
	To our consultants.	01:03:10
	And this was everybody will review and Mr. Mayor, this would also be part of the information needed to fill out the pro forma.	01:03:16
	So one big packaging.	01:03:23
	So, so I'll just say all in favor.	01:03:25
	Umm.	01:03:28
	No.	01:03:29
	No. Well, let me, I'm going to question, I'll say against.	01:03:30
	The next thing I'll say is for all the favor and I'll say again, that's what I usually say.	01:03:33
	So I'll say.	01:03:38
	You wanna do a roll call on this too? What the heck?	01:03:39
	Listening.	01:03:42
	Discuss what we're what we're voting on. And did we get a second voting on allowing the administration to investigate an	01:03:43
	interconnect?	01:03:47
	Between trash state and our new.	01:03:51
	Play.	01:03:53
	OK, so that's.	01:03:54
	Us.	01:03:55
	It's.	01:03:56
	Mr.	01:03:57
	Panetta.	01:03:58
	Councillor Marianne Chavez.	01:04:00
	Councillor Dean.	01:04:03
	Councillor Fleming.	01:04:04
	Counter hits? Yes. Councillor Ocampo, Yes.	01:04:07
	Councillor again? No.	01:04:10
	Councillor Romero.	01:04:12
	Councillor Salomi.	01:04:15
	Thank you.	01:04:20
	And I promise to bring you the cost before I move on with this.	01:04:21
	And if it's, if it's exorbitant, we will then.	01:04:25
	There's no Mr. Who?	01:04:30
	OK. Thanks.	01:04:32
	No.	01:04:34
	Wanna do the better work for creating Rio Grande Trail Infrastructure Plan for the secure area?	01:04:38
	Make the motion. Ohh, I said. Mr. Hitch, OK.	01:04:45
	Yeah, didn't didn't work for IFD 0709233 Red Trail.	01:04:48
	2nd.	01:04:58
	The move seconded discussion.	01:04:59
	What's this going to cost us?	01:05:01
	Actually, Mr. Mayor, we're approached by the state as we were nearing the end of the fiscal year that they had some more	01:05:03
	recreation funds and Mr. Robb Selena has been to two of our meetings with our connection in between.	01:05:09
	And it's a $50,000 grant with 5000 of that.	01:05:15
	Coming to administration.	01:05:20
	Wonderful Honor Favor.	01:05:22
	Poland OK, Chelsea.	01:05:25
	What is going on at the library?	01:05:28
	Are you having a lot of misconduct?	01:05:32
	OK. Good evening.	01:05:37
	So actually this is going to generate some funding for our library board of trustees. And our last meeting we discussed how a lot	01:05:39
	of libraries are introducing coffee stations to their libraries. So with a closed lid, they bring in their own reusable coffee	01:05:44
	mugs, they can put in a donation and we'll have a passive fundraiser.	01:05:50
	Um, or they can purchase cuts with the win. So I had to update our rules of conduct that would allow that in the library building.	01:05:56
	So that's the only change to rule 1.	01:06:01
	Positive things.	01:06:07
	Make motion We passed the Patreon Rules of Conduct for the library.	01:06:09
	Seconded all in favor, aye?	01:06:14
	And Chelsea is doing great with our Wellness program too. That's another one she's taken on, so that's great.	01:06:17
	Mr. Again, make a motion We passed the 2023 drug policy for the Transportation Department.	01:06:23
	Moved. Seconded Carlos.	01:06:30
	It's something new.	01:06:32
	That's their biggest problem here.	01:06:38
	We've got recreational marijuana.	01:06:42
	The federal government does not recognize recreational marijuana.	01:06:44
	The Department of Transportation where we get our money from.	01:06:49
	Is a federal project.	01:06:54
	It doesn't allow anybody who works.	01:06:57
	Four or on.	01:07:00
	The vehicles.	01:07:02
	It.	01:07:04
	Put this put us in a bind.	01:07:06
	You know, because we have recreational marijuana.	01:07:08
	I don't have a way to age how much and when you used it.	01:07:11
	So that's that's going to be a bigger and bigger. The state just dumped that on us and we don't have any.	01:07:15
	Personnel policies to deal with this.	01:07:21
	But as long as there's a federal violation, then that's what it is.	01:07:25
	So all in favor, Aye, opposed.	01:07:30
	Thank you, Carlos.	01:07:33
	New business just for Mr. Logan.	01:07:34
	Can we explore the possibility of of counselors that aren't physically in attendance that we don't do on?	01:07:37
	Collins anymore. I think we're kind of past that if councillors can't make.	01:07:45
	The meeting in person, I think that they can be.	01:07:49
	Donald, what's the rule for?	01:07:53
	Post COVID. Mr. Mayor, I don't think they have changed the Open Meetings Act since COVID, but once COVID hit as long as you're	01:07:56
	able to.	01:08:00
	Recognizes the individual voice.	01:08:04
	They can call in or do video, but I will research that tomorrow again.	01:08:07
	See if it's changed.	01:08:12
	OK, so we also have Rules of Procedure that we can edit, and so let's look into that.	01:08:14
	I'm not here to be meeting Mr. Mayor either, but if I'm not here.	01:08:21
	I'm not here.	01:08:24
	Right.	01:08:25
	Any other new business?	01:08:26
	And then there's old business.	01:08:30
	No.	01:08:35
	And then there's the executive session, which has gone by the wayside.	01:08:36
	We've got marriage report to Mexico Humanities Council of course, is Chelsea Jones.	01:08:40
	Is the Lady of the Day. It's warm, but we skipped the skip one.	01:08:47
	If the personnel.	01:08:52
	But that was a personal matters.	01:08:55
	For executive session.	01:08:57
	So would everybody like to appoint Chelsea to another position?	01:09:01
	I still move. I can't.	01:09:05
	Seconded. Congratulations, all in favor, aye.	01:09:07
	Mr. Where there's also an oath of office in your packet.	01:09:11
	If we could do that as well.	01:09:14
	Right now.	01:09:16
	Now, OK. Pleasure.	01:09:18
	Oh.	01:09:22
	No.	01:09:25
	We're done.	01:09:26
	Thank you.	01:09:29
	OK, so I am going to appoint some committees.	01:09:31
	The Finley Gymnasium Complex Committee.	01:09:34
	We have received $1,000,000 thanks to Representative Artemio.	01:09:37
	Would like to put the.	01:09:41
	Councillor Dean and Councillor Romero.	01:09:43
	And if there's another person I would like to go on that, that's too, Mr. Ogeen.	01:09:46
	I would like to put them on that committee.	01:09:50
	To design and look at seeing what we're going to spend that $1,000,000 of.	01:09:53
	I would like for you to meet with the architect and Lloyd Martinez.	01:09:59
	And and they're going because the money will be received in August.	01:10:04
	Yes, Sir, we should get the grant agreement by the end of July.	01:10:09
	So look forward to that, but you guys maybe with any NM?	01:10:13
	And what?	01:10:20
	And see here.	01:10:21
	They are the architects.	01:10:23
	And the Recreation Committee, thanks to.	01:10:26
	Councillor Ocampo, we did get 100,000.	01:10:29
	For the studio park remodel.	01:10:32
	And if anybody, we were trying to get a landscape engineer or somebody who deals with that kind of stuff.	01:10:35
	Would like to have Mr. Ocampo and who else would like to be on Mr. Odean and.	01:10:40
	Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought we already had a recognition of community.	01:10:46
	Well, yeah, but I'm.	01:10:50
	I'm telling you I'm changing it, no.	01:10:52
	Not this channel is Lopez.	01:10:55
	Mr. But I'm just assigning you that task.	01:10:57
	Of getting well.	01:11:01
	Donald and Polo to put the ad out for a request for proposals.	01:11:03
	For a.	01:11:07
	Architect, landscape, whatever kind of, you know, sites, sites, Southwest is doing the.	01:11:09
	Escondido.	01:11:15
	Link.	01:11:17
	That big landscape company to I'm just saying it, we need to get a hold of some company.	01:11:18
	That will help us with Studio Park.	01:11:23
	So that was perfect.	01:11:26
	Marriott and I asked, How's that committee as far as looking?	01:11:28
	Side by sides on the streets.	01:11:32
	Haven't done anything right, Donald.	01:11:34
	What haven't done anything yet for?	01:11:37
	Time.	01:11:40
	For the TV show.	01:11:41
	Hello.	01:11:42
	Up with it or just leave it livable?	01:11:44
	Mr. Mayor.	01:11:47
	Let's do it again. I make a motion to approve the job descriptions 123 and four. We're the one that held up the meeting right now.	01:11:48
	OK.	01:11:56
	Any seconds.	01:11:58
	2nd so moved and seconded. All in favor aye?	01:12:00
	Nor is that acceptable there.	01:12:04
	Mr. Mayor, Mr. Logan, hold on. Can we pass the personnel changes?	01:12:07
	There's a bunch of them.	01:12:14
	What's going on here? You don't want me to read them all?	01:12:16
	All right. There's like.	01:12:19
	2 pages? No. Everybody's happy with this.	01:12:21
	Everybody, you know we we ask everybody to be making at least 15 bucks and so we're almost there. The temporaries kind of started	01:12:25
	14. So all in favor for the personnel changes opposed.	01:12:31
	Just a man, yes. Both do business registrations as the center.	01:12:37
	Economic presentation. I've done this one.	01:12:42
	This is a 5 star cannabis out of town.	01:12:45
	Watsky Folk.	01:12:49
	Cannabis cultivation access. Telecom Canada.	01:12:50
	Stable tablets and phones, BMG utilities.	01:12:54
	Directional board.	01:12:57
	***** equipment installation.	01:13:01
	Richard Bustamante, refrigeration McDowell transient vendor.	01:13:03
	Maggie Delia Rojas.	01:13:07
	Boy, shut up.	01:13:10
	Automotive supplies and kind of electric supply.	01:13:12
	Electric services.	01:13:16
	Now, Mr. Nixon.	01:13:18
	Christmas.	01:13:21
	Because not ideal, I make that motion.	01:13:23
	Ohh favor. OK July 5th this time.	01:13:27
	Right after July 4th.	01:13:31
	Huh.	01:13:35
	Yeah, two days Monday, I guess. Are we closing on Monday?	01:13:36
	On the 4th.	01:13:41
	OK.	01:13:45
	We're not closed Monday.	01:13:47
	And my target to myself now.	01:13:49
	So we're not closed Monday.	01:13:53
	OK. All right.	01:13:55
	OK. Thank you for everybody.	01:13:58
	We even got Mr.	01:14:01

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	Some Christian Church.	00:00:00
	And they did it. And then people change. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.	00:00:01
	Jeff, Jeff was going to, he said. He said the check when we saw in Drakes.	00:00:09
	There was a controversy that was like people were people made one and they were making money off of it.	00:00:16
	Opposed.	00:00:22
	Huh.	00:00:23
	602.	00:00:25
	Ohh.	00:00:27
	Kind of sickle 2602. Excuse me, here we go.	00:00:28
	Now Are you ready?	00:00:32
	Alright.	00:00:34
	This is the City School City Council meeting June 20th.	00:00:35
	2023 Roll call, please.	00:00:39
	Councillor Travis Lopez. Yeah, Councillor Dean.	00:00:42
	Councillor Fleming.	00:00:46
	And.	00:00:47
	Councillor Hicks here, Councillor Ocampo here.	00:00:48
	Councillor again?	00:00:52
	Councillor Romero.	00:00:53
	And.	00:00:55
	Councillor Salomi.	00:00:56
	We have a quote.	00:00:59
	I'll rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.	00:01:00
	Of the United States of America.	00:01:09
	Staff.	00:01:12
	One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty meaning that too.	00:01:13
	Mr. Mayor.	00:01:23
	Mr. Hicks, make a motion. We approve the consent agenda.	00:01:25
	Move to seconded discussion.	00:01:29
	Author.	00:01:31
	This.	00:01:33
	Executive session to the.	00:01:36
	Aren't right under public form.	00:01:38
	You know.	00:01:40
	Second One second.	00:01:42
	Moved and seconded discussion, all in favor.	00:01:43
	And we are at.	00:01:48
	Public forum? No, it's after before the public forum.	00:01:52
	Mr.	00:01:55
	Anybody at the public forum would like to make a comment that's not on the agenda.	00:01:57
	We'll be doing a hearing for the ICP later right down.	00:02:04
	OK.	00:02:08
	Stop.	00:02:09
	Not hearing anything from the public forum.	00:02:10
	We will.	00:02:13
	Make a motion to go into executive session.	00:02:15
	Mr. Robin Motion going Executive Session.	00:02:17
	One second.	00:02:21
	And roll call please.	00:02:22
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:02:26
	Councillor Dean, Yes.	00:02:28
	Councillor Fleming.	00:02:30
	Councillor Hicks? Yes. Councillor Ocampo? Yes. Councillor Olguin. Yes, Councillor Romero.	00:02:32
	Councillor Salomi.	00:02:40
	It's the. It's the body that is.	00:02:43
	Watching. Please excuse us.	00:02:46
	Because we don't have any other place to have the executive session, we'll just have it here.	00:02:49
	Happened in executive session.	00:02:53
	Sorry, Mr. Mayor, the Council discussed one potential legal matter. No action was taken.	00:02:56
	Thank you. And I should say that before we went to executive session.	00:03:01
	We did not say what we were going in for.	00:03:06
	My omission?	00:03:10
	It was for legal matters.	00:03:11
	Mr.	00:03:14
	September 3rd, OK, we're at ordinance authorizing execution and delivery of loan agreement for the landfill cell. Let's make a	00:03:15
	motion we pass ordinance #23-06-20 a second.	00:03:21
	Moving and seconded discussion.	00:03:27
	All in favor.	00:03:30
	Well, let me see. I'm going to have to take A roll call. It's an ordinance. Sorry.	00:03:32
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:03:39
	Councillor Dean.	00:03:41
	Councillor Fleming.	00:03:43
	Councillor Hicks? Yes. Councillor Ocampo? Yes.	00:03:45
	Councillor login, yes.	00:03:49
	Councillor Romero.	00:03:50
	Councillor Salome.	00:03:53
	We will go into public hearing for the I CIP. This is the second hearing.	00:03:57
	Motion for public hearing for the IP #2.	00:04:03
	OK. The seconded all in favor?	00:04:07
	Sedano.	00:04:11
	I understand you have a.	00:04:12
	Comments for the ICP.	00:04:14
	Yeah.	00:04:19
	Council, women and Councilman.	00:04:19
	Thanks for hearing me.	00:04:21
	I'd like to thank the Street Department for the last few years for fixing Lopezville, where I live.	00:04:23
	Um.	00:04:29
	Well, I asked the question probably about 10 years ago. Hopeville was #5 and getting repaved or?	00:04:31
	It's I live on the far end of Lopezville.	00:04:37
	And a few years ago, they did pay part of Louisville, but not the far end. So I would like you all to consider moving Lopezville,	00:04:41
	if it's still on the list, up a little higher.	00:04:45
	To try to pave it, the county did some chip sealing.	00:04:50
	On the very far North End.	00:04:55
	So.	00:04:57
	Need to say, but the county section looks a heck of a lot better than the city section.	00:04:59
	But the.	00:05:03
	City workers do come every year, few times and.	00:05:04
	Patch potholes and also I do appreciate that, that's all.	00:05:08
	Thank you Donald. Was that qualify for a map project?	00:05:13
	That's a loaded question. It might.	00:05:19
	Umm.	00:05:21
	Just because of the waste of coral design, but I will look into that.	00:05:22
	We will take that into account.	00:05:29
	We'll put that through the council when we have recommendation for CIP projects to move it to #2. What's number one?	00:05:32
	Currently.	00:05:42
	Currently, it's still the Finley Gymnasium complex.	00:05:43
	So let's but that's your suggestion. OK. Thank you. Appreciate it.	00:05:46
	OK, keep up the good work and all the council people and the mirror.	00:05:50
	And ministration. We found one that would help us. Just giving us angles here that won't help your case.	00:05:54
	Thank you and Mr. Mayor, thank you for all the work you do. I apologize to the Council. I forgot to put the last year's list and	00:06:02
	the ranking sheet in the packet that there on the desk.	00:06:07
	This evening, if I could get those back by the second meeting in July, we'll vote on that in the first meeting in August.	00:06:12
	Anyone else that's in the audience would like to make a comment.	00:06:18
	Yeah, Hi, this is Amy Kimball. I was wondering what I CIP stands for and what did Lopez will just get moved in front of?	00:06:26
	Noblesville has not been proved it was said yet.	00:06:33
	I'm sorry, I said my name. Yes, Amy Kimball.	00:06:36
	OK. I didn't get you, I apologize. You need it for the just to correct that.	00:06:38
	There's a recommendation from Mr. Tadano to move it to the second.	00:06:44
	That will be voted on by the Council as to whether we do that or not. Or it may be 6th or 7th or second depending on.	00:06:48
	The other.	00:06:56
	The things that the ICP, ICP stands for.	00:06:57
	Infrastructure capital improvement plan.	00:07:01
	It's kind of five year. It's longer than that because we have so many projects on it, but it's at least a five year plan on what	00:07:03
	we are prioritizing.	00:07:07
	It is used.	00:07:12
	When they go to ask for money and grants.	00:07:14
	They look at that to see if that was a priority that was designated by the City Council.	00:07:18
	So when you go to the legislature and you ask for.	00:07:23
	Capital outlay?	00:07:27
	They will look at that and say, well, this is #9, how come you didn't ask for it? So that's how that works.	00:07:28
	Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Anyone else?	00:07:34
	Mr. Mayor Hicks.	00:07:38
	Not seeing any other public.	00:07:41
	And put a little bit, we're back to the regular session.	00:07:43
	Thank you.	00:07:46
	So moved to seconded discussion, all in favor.	00:07:47
	There, there's a public hearing for disadvantaged business enterprise goals.	00:07:51
	Yes, ma'am, Mr. Again, make a motion when the public hearing for the disadvantaged business enterprise goals for fiscal year 22	00:07:56
	through 24.	00:07:59
	As for City of Sakura, I'm a little lost or what. This is Donald, Mr. Mayor. This is the first time I've seen it myself was for	00:08:05
	this meeting. But it's to try to steer projects to disadvantaged businesses or businesses that are registered to disadvantaged.	00:08:13
	Women of minority owned military veterans, those type of things. So this is saying.	00:08:20
	And as you can see in the the handout, there were no projects for fiscal year 2022.	00:08:26
	And the snow removal building is the project for 2023. But why the City of Sequoia Municipal Airport?	00:08:31
	This is for the airport project so that they get special.	00:08:40
	For federal funding, has federal.	00:08:44
	Is there anyone in the audience that has interest in this?	00:08:48
	Not seeing anyone, that's true. Again, make a motion, we go back into regular session.	00:08:54
	One second.	00:09:00
	Move to seconded all in favor.	00:09:02
	This is the bid award that was postponed at the last meeting.	00:09:06
	For preliminary engineering design for electric utility substation.	00:09:09
	And distribution system Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hicks makes a motion will be awarded work for SP 024023.	00:09:13
	Mr. Warner, Mr. Romero seconds it.	00:09:26
	Discussion.	00:09:30
	That's my questions now or?	00:09:33
	Ask them now. So with the new electricity that's coming around, you said it was going to be?	00:09:36
	And the industrial park New Mexico tax.	00:09:43
	And that's correct.	00:09:46
	It will be the IT will be the whole area on Hwy. 60.	00:09:48
	From the high school.	00:09:53
	To the bridge.	00:09:55
	Which includes the Jail Decca Pearl.	00:09:57
	Includes a few of the marijuana plant people.	00:09:59
	Includes the Convention Center.	00:10:03
	Who's the hospital? Includes the high school.	00:10:06
	So when do?	00:10:10
	People like myself.	00:10:11
	When can we tap into that?	00:10:14
	This is, I think the Council wanted a step by step process.	00:10:16
	And so this is the first process is about 10 megawatts.	00:10:19
	The city uses about 3536 megawatts for the whole city.	00:10:23
	This will be about 1/4 or a.	00:10:27
	Quarter of the.	00:10:29
	Load that the coop delivers to the city.	00:10:31
	And so the next step.	00:10:34
	In my opinion would be that the Co-op would then see.	00:10:37
	The writing on the wall.	00:10:41
	And allow us to take over the whole city even before their franchise is over once they see us progressing with this.	00:10:42
	I know the coop has had.	00:10:50
	We invited them to this meeting. I know the coop has, one by one, spoken to the city councillors and told them certain things that	00:10:52
	I don't know about, but one of them was.	00:10:56
	Well, they're saying that the city was going to be without electricity.	00:11:00
	But the city took over the electrical grid.	00:11:04
	Which is absolutely false. They're not allowed to do that. They have to provide utility services that have been provided. It will	00:11:06
	be month to month.	00:11:10
	But the PRC and FERC will not allow them to just abandon the city like that.	00:11:14
	So there. But they wouldn't come to the city.	00:11:19
	At the City Council meeting and put sunshine.	00:11:21
	On the discussion that we would have back and forth.	00:11:24
	They've never come to us. The meetings that I've had, I've asked them certain questions.	00:11:26
	They never come back to me without answers of those, and one of the questions was.	00:11:31
	How much does your electricity cost the city for?	00:11:36
	Kilowatt.	00:11:39
	I have figured it out to about $0.18.	00:11:41
	A kilowatt. They have not returned that information to me.	00:11:44
	We met with them a month ago.	00:11:48
	We think we can provide electricity for this leg.	00:11:50
	Anywhere between 10:00 and $0.13 per kilowatt.	00:11:53
	But until we do this primary preliminary engineering report.	00:11:57
	We won't know. We won't know that that cost.	00:12:02
	Mr.	00:12:05
	Like Councillor Millers, I mean Councillor Marianne Lopez Chavez is asking campus locus.	00:12:07
	What time frame for the time that you OK tonight? Will it be until?	00:12:13
	They are actually using synthesizers. City, or maybe besides the court, Metrocity. They're probably at least a year.	00:12:18
	Because this preliminary engineering.	00:12:24
	And then the other one that you're getting is what they call an interconnect because we still have to use tri-state lines.	00:12:27
	To get the electricity to us.	00:12:33
	We'll build our own lines out at the industrial park.	00:12:35
	But we still have to use tri-state lines to what we call wheel to bring the electricity to us.	00:12:38
	From Guzman.	00:12:44
	And that will have to be done.	00:12:45
	And tri-state by law.	00:12:48
	Has to allow us to do that.	00:12:51
	They will have to put a price on that.	00:12:54
	Which we think would be anywhere from 2:00 to 3:00 cents a kilowatt.	00:12:56
	Which will add to the cost.	00:13:00
	But.	00:13:02
	That's what we'll have to get. That's how we get the electricity to our grid.	00:13:03
	We will then provide the greater to go ahead and.	00:13:09
	Distributed to the industrial park and New Mexico tent.	00:13:12
	So, well, that's so well the customer be able to use just like CenturyLink and TDs, will they be allowed to choose the coop or the	00:13:16
	city or is it just going to be the city, the city because the coop is using our property to put their poles on to deliver that	00:13:22
	electricity?	00:13:29
	And we are not renewing their franchise agreement as of May 2024.	00:13:35
	They will not be using they if they want to put it on someplace else and be competitive.	00:13:41
	Be our guest.	00:13:46
	But that's not what's going to happen. They're not going to be able to use our property because they've been using it for 25	00:13:47
	years.	00:13:51
	And and.	00:13:55
	That's where that is.	00:13:56
	Hello. Hello.	00:14:03
	You're sleeping.	00:14:07
	Peter, was that you or Anthony won't strike up?	00:14:09
	I will get back on.	00:14:12
	Who was it?	00:14:15
	Go ahead who? Who wants the floor?	00:14:17
	Anthony, did you want the floor?	00:14:22
	Stop.	00:14:25
	Peter, do you want the floor?	00:14:26
	OK.	00:14:31
	He just lost.	00:14:33
	If you have any comments.	00:14:35
	Uh.	00:14:41
	OK and.	00:14:44
	Indeed.	00:14:46
	Take.	00:14:48
	Side.	00:14:49
	Yeah.	00:14:50
	May 3.	00:14:50
	They lose their franchise in May 2024.	00:14:56
	What time?	00:15:00
	Where they will lose their franchise May 2024. We will carry the franchise on month to month.	00:15:02
	If they're duty bound to continue.	00:15:10
	And once we are ready to.	00:15:12
	Flip the switch.	00:15:14
	Which I think will be at least it will take a year for us to build this out depending on, you know, some of the problems with the.	00:15:15
	Where they call that?	00:15:22
	Supply.	00:15:23
	Television.	00:15:24
	Transformers and that thing then once we get get this line in.	00:15:27
	Then we will disengage from the court.	00:15:31
	But that's if a new mayor doesn't come in, right? Or if when you're the mayor, you're going to keep doing this.	00:15:34
	JC I don't know. JC didn't say he was going to do it, but but yeah, that yeah, but.	00:15:41
	But if you set it in motion now, which is what you're supposed to do, and not take the can down the road, you already have done an	00:15:46
	ordinance.	00:15:50
	You know, we're making, we're making decisions here like I tell people that are generational, we're making at the City Council.	00:15:54
	We put in a new sewer system.	00:16:02
	We're getting broadband.	00:16:03
	You know, we've we've got a Convention Center on the rodeo. We're working on a new road on Hwy. 60. We're doing generational	00:16:05
	things here that affects support for 25 years.	00:16:10
	If we want to continue to live under the yoke of the crop for 25 years again.	00:16:16
	Then we can renew the franchise and we can go on and do and they're going to be increasing the rates.	00:16:21
	I understand the next century, next month, they're going to be interested in increasing rates.	00:16:25
	So that's what we're doing.	00:16:30
	So right now we're just trying to trying to do we're doing generation with Miss Dean.	00:16:31
	So it's my understanding the industrial park is going to cost us about $8,000,000 to build.	00:16:37
	And we're hoping that it's going to be supported by the revenue generated.	00:16:44
	And then down the road.	00:16:50
	After the franchise agreement expires, we are hoping.	00:16:52
	Hoping.	00:16:56
	To acquire the coop.	00:16:57
	To the tune of another $30 million.	00:16:59
	So I guess that's what I'm struggling with and that.	00:17:03
	That's that's I hope.	00:17:07
	So it's like there's no guarantee on any of this, but we can do the one, the first part because we're.	00:17:09
	Prepared and we're.	00:17:16
	And I'm well set up to do that and that would take care of part of the community.	00:17:17
	So I just want to say that.	00:17:23
	More people have come to me and said please just drop it and I don't know the reasons exactly, they all had different reasons.	00:17:25
	Then I had people come to me and say this is a great idea. What you guys are doing is fantastic, so I just want to put that out	00:17:32
	there.	00:17:36
	Umm, let me ask you a couple of your questions.	00:17:40
	The clock, if you look at their finances.	00:17:44
	They all $40 million right now.	00:17:47
	To the USDA.	00:17:51
	And the Cobank?	00:17:53
	They're paying $4 million.	00:17:55
	A year on their debt service.	00:17:57
	That that service.	00:18:02
	When they're. When they're creditors, look at what's happening, which is basically the USDA and Cobank, which is a.	00:18:05
	National.	00:18:12
	Long authority that works with the USDA.	00:18:13
	They're going to look at their franchise agreement and they're going to say your franchise agreement is under duress.	00:18:16
	You need to either.	00:18:22
	Make good on your debt.	00:18:24
	Or you need to turn it over to the city.	00:18:26
	So that debt is already there.	00:18:29
	And.	00:18:32
	They haven't changed out any of our polls.	00:18:33
	They haven't done anything to improve the city services with that debt.	00:18:37
	And we're saying that.	00:18:41
	We're going to acquire, just like Raton, Aztec.	00:18:44
	Bloomfield is in the process.	00:18:49
	Here she has her municipal electric grid.	00:18:51
	And the money that's being generated is going directly to Colorado. It's not being a benefit to even New Mexico.	00:18:54
	The money for the electricity that's being generated.	00:19:01
	We're saying we're going to try to keep some of that money here.	00:19:04
	And we're going to try to make sure that the consumer is.	00:19:07
	Has protected against any kind of gouging.	00:19:11
	Which I mean about.	00:19:14
	Going to have to take your lease and your warranty deed down to the.	00:19:16
	Co-op have to start an account, whereas at PNM in Albuquerque you can just go on the Internet.	00:19:20
	Set up your account. Those kinds of things are so archaic right now with the Co-op that.	00:19:25
	They they offered to get the franchise agreement, but they never offered any of this.	00:19:31
	Maybe they did to the individual counselor, but they never came here and said, you know, Rabbi.	00:19:36
	Don't do this. This is what we're going to do. They never said that.	00:19:41
	So that's what I have to say to people to say, well, leave it alone, well.	00:19:45
	You don't make generational changes by leaving things alone that are already killing the city in my opinion at $0.18 a kilowatt,	00:19:48
	whereas PNM which is a profit making organization, they get 11 cents a kilowatt.	00:19:54
	Facebook.	00:20:00
	They demanded.	00:20:01
	57 Electricity at Los Lunas and they wanted it all solar.	00:20:02
	So I'm just saying if we're going to do any kind of economic development or move ahead in the city or people that are poor.	00:20:10
	Are on fixed incomes are just getting unbelievable electric bills. So that's that's my spiel on that.	00:20:16
	Mr. Hicks due to claw bar and $1,000,000 shopping last year and they borrowed 25. They borrowed $25 million.	00:20:23
	Forward in the next 5 to 6 years to.	00:20:32
	Fix the Magdalena line.	00:20:34
	And will are going to have to end up paying for USDA, actually.	00:20:36
	You should tell Taurus is the one who's touting how she gave the money to the coop, but she gave $25 million.	00:20:39
	Our USDA money for that, for five, not a one year thing. It's like a five year expansion.	00:20:45
	They haven't, I don't think this and they're coming up for another increase in their rates. That's coming up pretty soon and least	00:20:52
	at 6%.	00:20:56
	And then, you know, you know, I don't see that in the paper or see that public they're raising their rates. Nobody said anything	00:21:01
	about it.	00:21:04
	We did win a case, however, when they said they were going to raise their race and we took up the court with Tech.	00:21:07
	And the city won. And tech one.	00:21:13
	OK. Also on admit on the million.	00:21:16
	Yeah.	00:21:19
	If we get it passed to start with the text.	00:21:20
	Industrial park in that area and there there's grants and stuff available for that, Is that correct?	00:21:24
	We have people already on the line and I know Mary Ann Jarvis who was knows about these people and in Colorado.	00:21:30
	Mr. Malhotra and those people that are willing to help us with solar.	00:21:37
	And USDA grants.	00:21:42
	To get the electricity going.	00:21:44
	So I did go to the court just.	00:21:47
	You see the other side of it and.	00:21:50
	I've got some.	00:21:53
	Two good answers.	00:21:54
	You want to share those with us?	00:22:00
	What?	00:22:04
	Folks, let's strip politician.	00:22:08
	They talk around the picture for never answer.	00:22:10
	Ohh.	00:22:15
	Asked exactly how much you know prices went from.	00:22:18
	Didn't seem to.	00:22:22
	One time with Afghan at 2.6.	00:22:24
	So you pay it half cent just for the electricity, so I know that.	00:22:29
	And then umm.	00:22:34
	They formatted if.	00:22:36
	Push through if the city does.	00:22:39
	Do something with this.	00:22:42
	That uh.	00:22:44
	Holes and the wires are theirs, so they would be taking them down.	00:22:45
	And I said you mean.	00:22:51
	Just gonna go in there, take him down, and that's city property.	00:22:53
	The proposal stuff belong to us.	00:22:56
	And I finally got him to say well.	00:22:59
	Yeah, we will take him down eventually, but we will.	00:23:01
	Raymond there. Until something goes on, but they're creditors will not allow them to do that.	00:23:04
	Is they're going to have to generate revenue to pay the loans that they have.	00:23:10
	And and and.	00:23:14
	900% but my lawyers and our finance people say.	00:23:16
	When they get into that situation, they're going to have to sell.	00:23:20
	Their hardware.	00:23:23
	At a great cost, because.	00:23:24
	They can't. Creditors are not going to let them.	00:23:27
	Have more business that generates revenue.	00:23:31
	And allow that to happen. I just, I just that's just not going to happen. Well see that's what they were telling me. They said	00:23:34
	that they cannot sell any equipment.	00:23:38
	And this they get 60% of the total members.	00:23:43
	28,000 and to get.	00:23:48
	60% of that and it won't happen.	00:23:50
	Now they said that themselves, that they would never, they could never do that, but they're not. They can't sell their stuff. But	00:23:53
	that, that, that's their, that's their part. Our part is you lost your franchise.	00:23:58
	You know your last release on this building.	00:24:04
	If you have people that.	00:24:08
	Have.	00:24:10
	Have have stock in your.	00:24:11
	Business and you've lost the lease.	00:24:13
	It's not that at least the person who owns the building is not going to say, well, I want to vote on the stock people whether you	00:24:16
	can be going to get out or not.	00:24:20
	They don't have a choice. That's not their choice.	00:24:23
	How long have you been working on this franchise with them?	00:24:27
	About 1215 years.	00:24:31
	I can remember a long time ago trying to get them to set up for 2400. Got here.	00:24:34
	And we went to court.	00:24:41
	21 They've made it to the judge, made a decision.	00:24:43
	That's where the franchise will sense it.	00:24:47
	May 2024.	00:24:49
	The judge made that decision in that court case, which have another question.	00:24:51
	And Guzman.	00:24:55
	And let's say a transformer goes out, they have the equipment they can get us back on.	00:24:57
	Right away. Ohh, yeah. I mean, they're not there. They serve Kit Carson, which is twice as big as ours.	00:25:03
	Chris Monsters kick Carson next this service Aztec.	00:25:10
	Which is about. It's probably a little bit bigger than ours, but it's about the same.	00:25:14
	You know, they they service a lot of people. They service.	00:25:18
	This service Southern Colorado, they service Delta Montrose.	00:25:22
	And so they service that right now they're gonna be in negotiation with Denver.	00:25:26
	You know there are billion dollar buyer of.	00:25:31
	Of of I don't know if you got any of you read all the information we sent.	00:25:34
	OK.	00:25:38
	But.	00:25:38
	They're they're going, they're going away from tri-state.	00:25:39
	And this is this is their biggest buyer.	00:25:43
	Office.	00:25:47
	Usually being a stickler and calling about your procedure, but I'm going to make a motion to pass this resolution so we can have	00:25:49
	discussion because really, you're not supposed to.	00:25:54
	That's right. Well, I mean, we're gonna take the bullet. We'll take a vote.	00:26:00
	Against.	00:26:04
	Mr. Mr.	00:26:05
	Who's that?	00:26:07
	Ken told Mr. Ogan I had recognized him. Can you let him speak first, please?	00:26:09
	Yeah, have a seating written down.	00:26:15
	First, I want to start by clarifying some things based on the last meeting. I'm not kahoots with the Co-op. I'm not speaking for	00:26:17
	the Co-op. I'm not protecting the Co-op. I feel I'm speaking for and protecting my constituents who instilled their trust in me	00:26:23
	when they elected me. I just want to make that clear. Yes, I have an open line of communication with the Co-op manager and the	00:26:29
	Co-op board chair at that. I have also had this open line of communication with passport charges as well.	00:26:36
	I feel they listen to me and I and I listen to them that you may information I asked for so I can form my own opinion on moving	00:26:43
	forward with me. With municipal electricity, I have information from both sides which helps helps me feel confident in my vote in	00:26:47
	favor or against.	00:26:52
	Unfortunately, I'm not the type of person to just quote, UN quote, take the mayor's word for it. It's a very big and expensive	00:26:57
	endeavor that's not only going to affect people's support, but people around us.	00:27:02
	I'm not saying it's a bad idea by any means.	00:27:07
	You may It may be that in fact, we could one day benefit from municipal electricity.	00:27:09
	However, however, all this started in 2014 on the difference of opinion between the city and the court that led to the UM study in	00:27:14
	2015.	00:27:18
	In 2016, we passed a resolution allowing the city to have a municipal owned electric utility as well as approving the funds to do	00:27:22
	a feasibility study.	00:27:26
	The feasibility study was completed in June of 2017, which was six years ago.	00:27:30
	Within that feasibility study, in my opinion, all the stars had to be aligned for this to work at that time.	00:27:35
	There's a lot of data presented within this study. That data is 6 years old.	00:27:41
	From post pandemic world will post pandemic issues.	00:27:45
	It is Is it the administration's opinion that nothing has changed within that feasibility study since then?	00:27:48
	There are so many what ifs within this study as well.	00:27:53
	For example, the study concluded that.	00:27:56
	That, and I quote in the near term, the city may need to read to keep the rates for residential uses the same as those currently	00:27:59
	within the SEC, because the city likely cannot apply new, lower electric rates.	00:28:05
	To some residential users within or immediately adjacent to the park, and nor the residential users outside of the industrial	00:28:11
	park, rates of residents served by the new city infrastructure may have may have to remain similar to the SEC rates at the time of	00:28:16
	commencement.	00:28:21
	Of service by the new city utility to the park.	00:28:26
	Ultimately, the city's goal is to bring about reduced rates for all city residents.	00:28:29
	My question is, how long will it take before the residents conceive the supposed lower rates?	00:28:34
	In the argument has been the electricity is preventing any new businesses from coming into oral, when in fact we have many new	00:28:38
	businesses that have come into town since then.	00:28:42
	One industry in particular, marijuana cultivation.	00:28:46
	There are three new grow houses that have just signed up with the Co-op, on top of two that are already here.	00:28:49
	For example, in Boulder County, Colorado in 2016, the average grow house uses 41,808 kilowatt hours per month.	00:28:54
	The average household uses 630 cup kilowatt hours per month.	00:29:01
	It's a lot of electricity.	00:29:05
	The electric rates through these businesses for coming to coral.	00:29:06
	Obviously not.	00:29:09
	They will be. They will be producing a product shipping out.	00:29:11
	Bringing one in and providing jobs so the idea that the business will never want, that businesses will never want to locate in	00:29:15
	support of is a facade.	00:29:18
	My opinion, there are bigger issues within Socorro.	00:29:23
	That is hindering economic growth, not electricity.	00:29:25
	According to the information provided us today.	00:29:29
	The last major action taken regarding electricity was taken in 2020 for the gross receipts.	00:29:31
	Increase funding effect on July 1st, 2020.	00:29:37
	Within the minutes provided from one of the meetings, I asked the mayor.	00:29:39
	How long will we be using the funds raised from this tax increase?	00:29:42
	The electric utility.	00:29:46
	He said two years.	00:29:47
	Where it won't be on the two years is the money still being used for electricity?	00:29:49
	Why has it taken three years to get to this point to?	00:29:53
	But just to this point, to approve a bid to proceed with the substation.	00:29:55
	Why is it now something that we have to do today?	00:29:59
	Do we need to do?	00:30:02
	A new, updated feasibility study.	00:30:03
	Again, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm presenting the fact that at this time.	00:30:06
	There are way too many unknowns for me, and I do feel I do. I do not feel comfortable at all supporting this endeavor at this	00:30:09
	time.	00:30:12
	I believe that there's still some collaboration working together between the two entities to come to a common ground agreement.	00:30:16
	We will all win in that situation.	00:30:22
	The franchise agreement terminates in less than a year, but still that is plenty of time to continue to collaborate.	00:30:24
	With the corruption you utilize, what is already in place for the time being is equal. Perfect, no?	00:30:29
	Are there things that the clock could do better on the CC's eyes and the community's eyes? Absolutely.	00:30:35
	But I'm confident those issues could be resolved with better communication from both sides.	00:30:39
	There's a time.	00:30:43
	Where in fact we have an accurate data.	00:30:44
	All sides have presented their case.	00:30:46
	And the city is in a position to provide.	00:30:48
	Electricity to our residents might be 100% for it.	00:30:52
	Is comfortable right now. Thank you.	00:30:55
	Mr. Salami.	00:30:58
	Restart.	00:31:01
	See.	00:31:02
	Cinema stability and the mayors of the election and who the mayor is or who the mayor might be, but I I think that.	00:31:04
	The city government and the municipal governing body being the the solidified in the council.	00:31:14
	You know because if we run four year terms, so for two years over those four year comes the council members are there, may or may	00:31:24
	not be there.	00:31:29
	And some other counselors may not be there, but the council is designed to run in a way where there is previous institutional	00:31:34
	knowledge to carry forward through the election process for those two years. So I think.	00:31:42
	You know, for it to be dependent on on the mayor who's running, I don't think that's it at all. I think. I think the decisions and	00:31:50
	and the theme of.	00:31:55
	These big projects go on and are designed for the betterment of our residents is solidified in the council itself.	00:32:00
	I just wanted to say that.	00:32:11
	Thank you. Thank you any other comments.	00:32:13
	Mr. Ocampo, thank you.	00:32:18
	You know, I met with the Co-op as well.	00:32:20
	And.	00:32:23
	You know all all I got from from them was that.	00:32:25
	Rates are going to continue going up.	00:32:28
	Umm.	00:32:31
	The reasoning why I really didn't quite totally understand because I got like two or three different reasons.	00:32:33
	Umm.	00:32:39
	And I know if nothing changes, nothing's going to change. We played, we pay more electricity and everybody else around us and I	00:32:41
	don't get that.	00:32:43
	And I don't get why we continue doing that and.	00:32:47
	I don't.	00:32:50
	The miss mismanagement, who's who's in charge of this, that or whatever, I'm not sure. I know that I got an agreement put in front	00:32:51
	of me and I was told by the Co-op that this agreement.	00:32:57
	This.	00:33:03
	This author basically is to allow us to use City Landed right away.	00:33:04
	And that they were totally 100% expecting us to go forward.	00:33:10
	Although they thought we would fail.	00:33:15
	As a city utility. So to me it seems like they've already.	00:33:17
	They've already.	00:33:25
	Totally. They're already totally expecting us to move forward.	00:33:26
	And I believe that the studies are the next steps to see.	00:33:30
	What?	00:33:34
	The feasibility is now.	00:33:35
	Like.	00:33:37
	For us just to walk away from it.	00:33:38
	When we had, when we could have something better for our constituents on the horizon.	00:33:40
	I think would be foolish. Not only that.	00:33:45
	But.	00:33:48
	You sign something, and then you lose all your bargaining power.	00:33:50
	You sign something and then it's like.	00:33:53
	OK, now we're at the mercy again.	00:33:55
	And and I know we pay more.	00:33:58
	I know we pay more than people around us.	00:34:00
	And why is that?	00:34:02
	So it's Mister Man.	00:34:03
	Councillor Campbell the the the reason why we're even here today was because of the.	00:34:06
	Recognize you before you start rebutting something.	00:34:11
	I think Mr. Ocampo is right.	00:34:16
	I'm disappointed that.	00:34:19
	All the things that Mister Olguin said.	00:34:21
	I wanted to hear that from Mr. Herrera or Leroy and Naya sitting out there.	00:34:24
	Not somebody else.	00:34:30
	Saying something that.	00:34:32
	Is third party.	00:34:35
	And.	00:34:37
	That's my biggest disappointment that they've never come through the.	00:34:39
	City Council meetings every time we bring the subject up and saying, you know.	00:34:42
	Mayor Council.	00:34:47
	We're gonna.	00:34:49
	Help the community. We're gonna be cooperative. We're gonna get better broadband, We're not gonna keep TDs from hanging wire on	00:34:50
	their poles.	00:34:54
	We're not going to have them going underground and.	00:34:59
	Breaking into our shorelines and water lines, you know we're going to fix these poles over here so that they're high enough.	00:35:01
	That we can hang that broadband on there.	00:35:09
	And we're not going to charge TDs a million eight.	00:35:12
	To do that.	00:35:16
	And yet, and their franchise agreement, if you saw it, is, they're gonna do broadband.	00:35:17
	Which is is beyond me.	00:35:23
	Mr. O'Neill.	00:35:26
	Honestly I was just saying comment on Councillor Campos saying that the reason we did do the feasibility studies, we're not. I	00:35:27
	mean these are going to, these are just on top of the feasibility studies to get started feasibility study was to get us to the	00:35:32
	point that to allow us to.	00:35:37
	The Council would be confident enough to even do the.	00:35:42
	Substation.	00:35:45
	So yeah, there's going to be more studies. There's going to be more stuff within those. But that's why we're here is because that	00:35:46
	feasibility study.	00:35:49
	Umm.	00:35:52
	So I'm sorry, I just, I just want to add that and Mr. Ogan referred to it way back UNM Business School.	00:35:54
	Dennis Study.	00:36:02
	As to whether it's costing Socorro?	00:36:04
	To be used several electric coop.	00:36:07
	And it was a negative study as far as how much?	00:36:10
	They were taking away from the city.	00:36:14
	So your comment about are we gonna get anywhere, we're gonna move anywhere.	00:36:17
	And the connection and the timing of these studies were slowly moving towards it.	00:36:21
	Most welcome.	00:36:25
	Well, I I did bring up like whether it's.	00:36:26
	10% of renewables or something. Is there a way that the city and the club can work together? Is there any way that in this world,	00:36:29
	whatever it looks like now to bring the rates down? Like is there anything that can happen? And then the option to do 50%, like to	00:36:35
	get 50% of your energy somewhere else. And I understand there's a buyout involved, but they throw that away. They never did it.	00:36:42
	They didn't do it. But I did ask him, I said, well then how could we, like no one understand?	00:36:49
	Signing this, knowing that the rates are going to go up further and people are hurting, how can we?	00:36:56
	Like feel comfortable going forward, like why would we go forward? And all I was told is you've been doing it for 75 years, but	00:37:01
	take a look at their their model.	00:37:06
	Everybody who put up solar panels and representative parameter was.	00:37:12
	One of those that put it under her building.	00:37:16
	And.	00:37:19
	Talk about alternative energy.	00:37:21
	What they did was they took away the incentive of people putting solar panels because they kept decreasing the amount of money	00:37:22
	they were giving them.	00:37:26
	For putting that.	00:37:30
	Electricity back into the grid from.	00:37:31
	Nine cents, eight cents. Five cents, four cents, one cent.	00:37:33
	And so.	00:37:37
	She didn't have a bill but in order to put more electricity and they weren't going to pay anything so.	00:37:38
	The incentive from tri-state basically they.	00:37:44
	Price State dictates.	00:37:47
	What and how much solar you can have when they sell it?	00:37:49
	They're at 5%.	00:37:53
	We have a proposal and I don't know if I said that, you said.	00:37:55
	Across that 5% renewables.	00:37:59
	Price State had a rule that they were only going to have 5% renewables.	00:38:01
	That I have information saying that it's 34%. Next it's going to be 50.	00:38:06
	So you're telling me that the coop is getting 34% of their electricity through solar?	00:38:11
	From Christ.	00:38:16
	Well, what do you mean natural gas? What is minerals? What whatever encompassed over there is your reference on that?	00:38:19
	I mean, once, I mean, Joe Herrera have references, yes. Who was that? I mean, what's the reference? And we looked that up	00:38:26
	somewhere that I can provide that information in the council, OK, but but the alternative we have?	00:38:33
	A proposal to get 2 megawatts out of those 10 megawatts that we're going to be providing at the industrial to put in a solar.	00:38:39
	Array, we already have somebody that actually.	00:38:46
	From the people that you've dealt with in Denver and he's going to try to get us a grant to do that.	00:38:49
	And they do that for he's doing it for Aztec. He's right now.	00:38:54
	So that's 20% minimum right now.	00:38:57
	If it we're ready for the question, I'll be more than happy to discuss more if you'd like, Mr. Hicks.	00:39:01
	Umm.	00:39:07
	Well, I was talking to.	00:39:08
	Mr. Mayor Leroy and I, we we were getting along and that is one of the questions I asked him. I said, well, are you out to find	00:39:10
	more?	00:39:14
	Solar panel.	00:39:18
	Are you going to offer the people more money?	00:39:20
	For them, putting on the solar panel and their money, I mean into their houses.	00:39:23
	And then actually buy it back. And he says, well, we don't buy it back, we give him credit.	00:39:27
	So when it's out and it's going to be out a whole bunch of night time, they can't use your solar, so they have to use us.	00:39:31
	And that's why we can't buy it from them, but we're just give them credit for for for the amount that they use at night, the	00:39:38
	soldiers not working.	00:39:42
	Um.	00:39:46
	I meant to bring the.	00:39:48
	Franchise he.	00:39:51
	Did he show you his franchise that he wanted for the?	00:39:52
	The manager that he wanted for the city to sign for.	00:39:56
	It was in the packets.	00:40:01
	As we get less.	00:40:03
	Who was the car lot? Right? This is what I want to buy that car for.	00:40:05
	Mr. Mayor, Councillor Hickson only respect, That's what. That's why you negotiate.	00:40:10
	Yes, and I'm happy you said that, because that's what I was asking them. Why can't we get something done?	00:40:15
	Why can't you work with the city?	00:40:22
	And get something in the middle. I'm I'm where we're going in the middle. I think that's great I think if.	00:40:25
	If if it's, it's fixed.	00:40:32
	Excuse me, it's one.	00:40:35
	Wanting to give.	00:40:38
	And everyone not wanting to give.	00:40:41
	I do believe the city.	00:40:43
	Would give.	00:40:46
	It's the corporate gift.	00:40:47
	And his answer was.	00:40:49
	No one ever asked me anything.	00:40:51
	I says.	00:40:53
	You've been brought in on this.	00:40:54
	I know we've talked to you about this. Well, how about this? How about that? We'll give him if you give him.	00:40:56
	And your answer is I'm not giving anything.	00:41:01
	Thanks man.	00:41:05
	Still answering my question was answered when I asked if if based on that feasibility study.	00:41:06
	If everything is still the same six years later.	00:41:12
	I'm sorry, I'm just looking at renewables from price state, which is?	00:41:19
	The number PA is 5%.	00:41:23
	27% natural gas and oil, 15% of the contract, 53% coal.	00:41:26
	I don't know where you got your information from, but anyway this I'm seeing that again, I didn't know. I said I just I don't	00:41:34
	think my my question was answered when I asked you based on that feasibility that was done six years ago. Is that all that	00:41:38
	information still accurate and still the same?	00:41:42
	The information is accurate except for the cost of energy. That cost of energy has gone up a little bit from four and a half cents	00:41:48
	up a little bit in the I think it's gone up to 4.74 point, eight cents. That's the only thing different.	00:41:54
	The feasibility study and, and you know, I would implore the Council to invest in this.	00:42:01
	Preliminary engineering result report.	00:42:07
	So that you can again vote on whether we need to move forward. This is step by step. I'm not asking you to eat the whole	00:42:10
	enchilada. I missed my so that that the cost for that preliminary gene studies $100,000, correct?	00:42:17
	100 and it's it's yeah. So I think it's 152.	00:42:24
	152,000 and so we're going to spend another 152,000 and.	00:42:29
	I mean, I don't even know how much fun have you spent on attorney fees and everything else before that. So we keep spending money	00:42:33
	to. Yeah. So we keep spending money. I mean.	00:42:37
	But again, again, I'm not. I want to. I want to. I want to emphasize I don't think it's a bad idea.	00:42:41
	I just think that all this stuff, I mean you you say, I think, I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be, we keep proceeding,	00:42:47
	we're spending $100,000. We proceed on that. OK. Well, I think that then I think it's still going to work. But I mean it's just	00:42:51
	there's too many things. And again, if I feel confident, if I have all the information, if I have all the data, if I have	00:42:56
	everything in front of me and I believe in it and I believe it's going to work, it's going to benefit the city, yes, 100%, I'm all	00:43:01
	for it.	00:43:06
	But there's just way too many what ifs and.	00:43:11
	I mean if it's if that's what I say delay, I don't, I don't care about the after the mayors race, I don't care about after the	00:43:14
	council race. I mean it's still going to be there. The issue is still going to be there.	00:43:18
	But as long as we.	00:43:23
	Give it a full effort. Like I said, negotiate.	00:43:24
	If we don't negotiate, I mean we don't know what what, what they told you. We don't know what's been said. I mean could there be a	00:43:27
	public public meeting or you can you can debate Joseph and you guys can compare data, you guys can go back and forth. It's public,	00:43:32
	it's on.	00:43:36
	It's on TV. Or bring this to the issue to the voters. Let the voters decide if they want to have a city running electric utility.	00:43:41
	I mean, I just don't think that us eight people based on the data that we have is enough information for us to move forward with	00:43:46
	this. I think that.	00:43:51
	I mean again it's it's just too much up in the air right now and again it's going to affect.	00:43:56
	Not only, I mean could be good for support, it could be bad, but it's also going to affect people from outside around us and.	00:44:01
	I mean, we got to be able to.	00:44:07
	Talk to our neighbors around us and say This is why we did it.	00:44:09
	I mean and then the quote has to deal with their fate if we do move it in that direction. But I think that if there is some, the	00:44:12
	ability to negotiate whether it's adding stuff to the franchise agreement that you want that the council agrees to. I don't, I	00:44:17
	just don't see, I mean some of the stuff, but yeah, yeah, you can't guarantee lower rates. We can't guarantee lower natural gas	00:44:22
	rates. I mean there's it's, it's, it's.	00:44:28
	Just like in the temporary, you can't predict that you can lock them in, yes.	00:44:33
	But we what are we locking him in at? I mean, we're going to spend this money again, move forward. I mean, we just don't know.	00:44:37
	Go go ahead.	00:44:47
	You know, ever since we've been working on this, which we've been working on it for a very long time.	00:44:50
	And the council every time has voted 100%.	00:44:55
	To go do some more looking.	00:44:59
	To look into it a little bit further.	00:45:02
	Uh.	00:45:05
	So I see it as the council is behind it enough to spend what they did 100% of the vote.	00:45:07
	Are you still behind it on what is?	00:45:14
	That's, you know, if you're going to respond every time that somebody says something, I guess what you what you feel.	00:45:18
	I can't have that.	00:45:23
	Finishing up Mr. Hicks.	00:45:26
	Mr. Mayor.	00:45:28
	This is Nick.	00:45:30
	Mr. Fleming.	00:45:32
	I don't know.	00:45:34
	I have an.	00:45:36
	And pinion that.	00:45:38
	For approximately the last.	00:45:39
	10.	00:45:42
	To 11 years.	00:45:44
	We have been asking.	00:45:46
	The Co-op to come meet.	00:45:48
	With the administration or even.	00:45:52
	Comcast City Council.	00:45:55
	As far as I, my recollection is.	00:45:59
	They have never taken.	00:46:04
	Any advantage of our offers during that 11 year time span?	00:46:06
	Is that correct? That's true?	00:46:12
	So, you know, I mean, it's up to the council Again, I say this is a generational decision. I'm not timid about it.	00:46:18
	I think there's something we can do to make sequel a better place to live, be more inviting.	00:46:25
	At least get on this. We're not going to get better. We're just going to be on the same plane as Los Lunas and Berlin and.	00:46:32
	People that have PNM services.	00:46:37
	That's all we're trying to do.	00:46:40
	And then at this point I think.	00:46:42
	I'm ready to get a mismatch with the question. I just want one more thing. Well, I just was gonna ask what were the offers that	00:46:45
	were made over the last 15 years, but.	00:46:49
	Um.	00:46:53
	Yeah. So I'll just ask that question. So Councillor Fleming for to you, what were what were those offers that been offered? What's	00:46:55
	the city?	00:46:58
	Specifically want from the court besides cheaper rate.	00:47:02
	Donald.	00:47:09
	Yes, You don't have the letter I sent Joseph about.	00:47:10
	Three years ago as to what the city wanted after we were talking with so many people coming to City Council complaining about the	00:47:15
	cop, we said.	00:47:19
	We we we asked for and I and I said it again to them.	00:47:23
	Directly to them. I don't know if you shared that letter with you.	00:47:27
	But.	00:47:31
	Lower rates.	00:47:32
	Better consumer relations.	00:47:34
	Easier economic and easier business.	00:47:37
	Response.	00:47:42
	The the PRC told them to do economic rates.	00:47:43
	In that lawsuit that they lost.	00:47:46
	Have they put any economic, Mr. Burnett, Have they done any economic rates?	00:47:49
	Not to my knowledge, Mr. Mayor, and it's also my understanding that.	00:47:53
	Economic development rates from the Co-op cannot go to existing businesses, they can only go to new businesses. So there's not	00:47:58
	only I was out of the cannabis Mr. Dean talked about with the economic development they didn't offer them and the other thing is	00:48:02
	that they were.	00:48:06
	Sorry.	00:48:13
	On the border of someone else. Floors down here. You got free for all for the coop, Mr. August. Give me a break here. Polo did.	00:48:15
	That they were going to send me their rates.	00:48:22
	That we put down California St. yes we we did get LED rates when we when we were at the PRC we.	00:48:25
	We were kind of under the impression and.	00:48:32
	That when a light burns out, they were going to replace it with LED, but they found a loophole in that so.	00:48:36
	So that light has to be probably, I guess, shot out or?	00:48:41
	Or can't work so.	00:48:44
	Yeah, they do have. We do have LED rates like California streets since we put our own LED lights. We still paid them our old rate.	00:48:48
	They won't recognize that as one of their LED lights when the state.	00:48:56
	So those LED lights should put down California and the entrances exits are the same as the the hype intensity where they call them	00:49:01
	pay high sodium rates, so high, so, so.	00:49:06
	So that that's the kind of trouble, that's the kind of problems, you know, you asked the question about what it is that we wanted	00:49:12
	from the coop.	00:49:15
	What the PRC wanted from the Co-op Talk about expending money. They took it to the Supreme Court.	00:49:18
	That ruling that peer seed made against them.	00:49:23
	Supreme Court bounced it back. Talk about legal fees, which you ended up in. The original filing is still in this.	00:49:26
	The Supreme Court.	00:49:35
	Practice to death. That's too bad. They're not here to talk for themselves.	00:49:37
	But that's unfortunate, especially when.	00:49:41
	Regarding Councillor Dean, Councillor Dean's concerns about knowing what the future holds, that was what was approved at the last	00:49:44
	meeting and the pro forma financial statements. Once we get those built, that will give you a clear picture of what's estimated as	00:49:49
	revenue expense. The whole nine was.	00:49:55
	Mr. Mayor.	00:50:02
	Yeah.	00:50:04
	Is that so?	00:50:05
	Wouldn't you think that we would do the that first before doing the preliminary design and and all that if we can that way we know	00:50:07
	for sure that.	00:50:11
	We can sustain it.	00:50:16
	We've had conversations about that and we've had some assurances from consultants that it's going to work in at the 12 and a half	00:50:17
	cents or whatever we can sell it at, which includes money to replace.	00:50:23
	But you can't. But you can't.	00:50:29
	The proforma.	00:50:31
	Financial has to work in concert with what the PR is going to tell us it's going to cost. You can't have one or the other. These	00:50:33
	two, both things are going in parallel, just like the interconnect thing that these are all going in parallel trying to get this	00:50:37
	thing up.	00:50:42
	And I guess that was another question that I when I talked earlier is that, I mean I understand the franchise agreement is coming	00:50:50
	up super soon, I get that, but.	00:50:54
	I mean, the last major decision was in 2020 and here we are three years later.	00:50:58
	In June of 2023.	00:51:02
	And.	00:51:05
	Now we have to absorb all this information and and what's what?	00:51:07
	And what took so long? How come we didn't start doing? Why didn't we do the preliminary study last year?	00:51:13
	Or the two years, like after you say we're only going to use it for two years. Like, why don't we what? What's what's the	00:51:18
	reasoning that we have to do this today?	00:51:22
	Because it was a slow absorption of information.	00:51:27
	And making very careful.	00:51:31
	Statements and moves.	00:51:33
	To get to this point.	00:51:35
	With no response from the coop.	00:51:36
	They could have stopped us at any time, if they'd come with any kind of.	00:51:39
	Positive responses other than the last minute having meetings with individual councillors and not coming to City Council meetings.	00:51:43
	You know, as I said.	00:51:51
	We're making a generational change here.	00:51:53
	Depends on what your feelings are, if you feel that you want to.	00:51:57
	Kick it down the road until the next election or January of 2024. That's just another.	00:52:01
	Another deal that gets closer to May 2024, but.	00:52:07
	At this point I think.	00:52:10
	It's prudent to spend this money.	00:52:12
	To get the engineering study.	00:52:14
	Get the interconnect.	00:52:16
	Get our financial performance and then we'll come back to the council.	00:52:18
	You still haven't crossed the Rubicon here. You still are halfway.	00:52:21
	If you think we should just stand still while the water rushes by us.	00:52:26
	Or you think we should go back and wait for the new mayor? Or do we think we just keep plotting across and trying to get through	00:52:29
	the other side, which is what we're trying to do right now? We're not through the other side.	00:52:35
	You haven't approved everything. We may have spent 152,000 for nothing, but I don't think so, but.	00:52:40
	But you still have a chance to turn it down saying, well, you know, it doesn't look like it's going to work.	00:52:46
	So that we're moving step by step by step to that point, Mr. Mayor, you've already guaranteed your your win next to, I mean during	00:52:51
	this election anyway, so it's not going to go anywhere. So I mean because I'm gonna win anyway. So either way I mean it's still	00:52:56
	going to be here. This is still this is still going to be here. And I mean why can't we have if you if you're guaranteeing that	00:53:02
	win and you're going to be here next May, why can't we get all the information and get all the accurate data? At least I could	00:53:07
	feel something.	00:53:12
	But it's gonna, you know, man is gonna go on with it. I mean, she, you know, JC will have to get all that pressure, you know?	00:53:19
	We do our businesses, we do our business and that's look for.	00:53:28
	You know, these like Congress does. You kick it down the road, you know, we just, I mean we don't do that. If you want to vote no,	00:53:33
	I I am.	00:53:36
	I am.	00:53:39
	All in favor of of your.	00:53:40
	Of your arguments, and if you can get everybody else to vote, live with that and live with that. That's not a problem.	00:53:42
	Mr. Hicks.	00:53:49
	Can we go on somewhere? OK, It was asked to watch.	00:53:50
	Nothing.	00:53:55
	It was asked earlier about.	00:53:55
	No businesses coming here.	00:53:58
	Because electricity being so high.	00:54:00
	Didn't bother anybody.	00:54:04
	These are two.	00:54:06
	Businesses.	00:54:08
	That I know of for fact.	00:54:09
	One number is.	00:54:12
	Perlite place.	00:54:15
	They couldn't afford electricity.	00:54:16
	And make the profit line they wanted to do it pop into perlite with electricity.	00:54:20
	They came to the city and switched over to gas. It pops it better and it's a whole lot cheaper.	00:54:26
	I ask.	00:54:33
	The gentleman that owned the solar panel out there.	00:54:34
	I said, why are you leaving? I mean, you're set up, everything's doing good. We're.	00:54:38
	What do we do? Well, why are you leaving?	00:54:43
	This is electricity bills too high.	00:54:45
	She'll put a pencil to it, said we can't do IT support. Let's do it someplace else. That's Ohh, man.	00:54:49
	May I know?	00:54:56
	When I had my Body Shop.	00:54:57
	It was very high.	00:54:59
	Given high as it is now but.	00:55:01
	There is.	00:55:04
	Look at this. Look at the Circle K and just moved in.	00:55:06
	Wow, that's used in a bunch of electricity.	00:55:09
	And you're absolutely right, the the growers for this marijuana stuff.	00:55:13
	That's what Leroy pointed out to me is they're using a bunch of electricity.	00:55:18
	Yeah, a lot higher rate than they should have to be paying too.	00:55:23
	Miss. Dean, I call for the question one last one last so so.	00:55:28
	I mean, then we can. This is a good debate. I like this, but.	00:55:34
	So how many You say people can't survive based on electricity, but how many businesses have struggled within Sapporo because of	00:55:38
	the workforce?	00:55:42
	How many businesses have suffered because of other issues, not just electricity. There's other issues that we're facing right now	00:55:47
	with sectoral.	00:55:50
	That my opinion don't know about the other council, but in my opinion I think we should start tackling first or we dive into	00:55:54
	something so exuberant.	00:55:59
	OK.	00:56:06
	Today we're talking about the electricity. We're not understand that there's been a call for the question on 2nd and 2nd call for	00:56:07
	the question.	00:56:12
	I'll have to ask for a second.	00:56:17
	Man on for sale.	00:56:20
	OK. Would you do a roll call for this question, Mr.	00:56:23
	Panetta, so you can go down in history as whatever.	00:56:27
	Councillor Travis Lopez, yes.	00:56:31
	Councillor Dean.	00:56:34
	This is the motion is to accept the.	00:56:36
	Sorry, let me read this again. I've forgotten about it. It's the authorizing.	00:56:39
	Authorizing bid award for the preliminary engineering design.	00:56:45
	To the company.	00:56:49
	OK, Chavez. Lopez, yes.	00:56:51
	Answer Dan.	00:56:53
	Councillor Fleming.	00:56:57
	Yes.	00:56:59
	Councillor Hicks, yes.	00:57:01
	Councillor Ocampo, Yes.	00:57:04
	Councillor O'quinn No.	00:57:08
	Councillor Romero.	00:57:11
	Councillor Saloni.	00:57:13
	Motion passes through, was it?	00:57:18
	Well, no, but I mean, again, as I the caveat is.	00:57:20
	There's a come back to you.	00:57:24
	Whether to move forward once we get all our stuff together, but it's going to have to get.	00:57:26
	We have to do this all one step at a time. It's not going to be something that.	00:57:30
	We're just going to keep going on with it if you feel that we're going to fail with the information we bring you at the next	00:57:33
	meetings when we have these done.	00:57:37
	Then we will. Then you'll have another vote.	00:57:41
	I mean so and maybe the cookbook step up and.	00:57:44
	See that we're doing something that they're going to work with us with some reasonable amounts such as the 5050 deal that they	00:57:48
	could have done with where they could have gotten their energy 50% from somewhere else and 50% from tri-state and they never	00:57:52
	looked at that.	00:57:57
	But anyway, I'm sorry, Chicken would let time on it.	00:58:02
	This is the execution.	00:58:05
	That's another.	00:58:07
	For the compactor.	00:58:09
	Miss Thrill again make a motion. We pass Resolution #23-06-20 second.	00:58:11
	Move to seconded all in favor.	00:58:16
	This is.	00:58:20
	This is a resolution for the investigation of the tri-state interconnect that I was telling you about that the that the tri-state	00:58:21
	is going to be the one that carries the power to us.	00:58:25
	And in order to do that, you have to literally interconnect with the tri-state lines.	00:58:30
	So this is just an investigation into it.	00:58:35
	To see what it's going to cost us, that'll bring together all the cost of this project.	00:58:37
	Mr. Hicks, Meghan Motion Doing the Budget resolution.	00:58:43
	Question. There's 12-06.	00:58:47
	There's two old being.	00:58:50
	Consideration of Detroit State.	00:58:52
	Second ****.	00:58:56
	More than seconded.	00:58:57
	Discussion Mr. Logan. Is there cost associated with this?	00:59:00
	Hi.	00:59:04
	I think not. I mean I think there are consultant Mr. Lewis is the one who's going to you're probably will bill us but we're	00:59:05
	talking about.	00:59:09
	Less than 1000 I I don't this is not a you have to put in an application to try, yeah.	00:59:14
	You have to.	00:59:20
	There is a cost associated, but it's not not enough $100,000 that range. I just want to clarify that because the information I got	00:59:21
	said that it's about $100,000 to do this with tri-state.	00:59:27
	Is that right?	00:59:34
	Well, I'll bring you the cost.	00:59:36
	I'll bring you the posture once application is done then.	00:59:38
	Then there'll be cost. Of course there's going to be cost to do it because it's just, it just says investigate. I'll bring you the	00:59:41
	cost. Yeah, that'll be all rolled into.	00:59:45
	Developing healthy, we're just asking you asking us to allow us to investigate it and and actually put in the application.	00:59:49
	And so once it's applications and what's the time frame on that, we'll get the information back.	00:59:57
	Ohh, not the application. We're going to bring you the cost of putting in the application, but so the cost of putting the	01:00:03
	application and then.	01:00:07
	They do Their tri-state, does their stuff. How long will that take?	01:00:11
	But there's two costs. There's one cost is investigating, which is not going to be very expensive.	01:00:15
	The next class would be put in the application end.	01:00:21
	And if that takes for lawyers and for lawyers, have to now be.	01:00:24
	Washington DC based and not.	01:00:28
	State based.	01:00:30
	And so that can, that can run into money, but we'll bring you the estimate of the cost, yeah, for for Samsung when they.	01:00:32
	Through the application for the interconnect it took I think 180 days.	01:00:40
	To find out that tri-state was going to really charge them way too much.	01:00:45
	Not just going to be.	01:00:49
	One of the, did you see something about the cost? Yeah, it was in the millions to do it so.	01:00:51
	Application. Yeah, but that that interconnects a little bit different than what this this was. This was the 100 Meg field.	01:00:57
	That Samsung, the big Samsung company, was going to put out here.	01:01:05
	And they needed to interconnect to tri-state to put that energy into the grid.	01:01:09
	And the price stayed really hung them out to dry and they left the project. Mr. Mr. Maxwell again. So. So we approved this.	01:01:13
	There's no cost by us approving this, is that correct?	01:01:18
	Paulo, we approve this. We're not paying anything.	01:01:24
	Our consultant will will be doing it. So there will be a repeater consultant. You'll have to, you have to say that the cost is	01:01:27
	less than 25,000. It's not, I mean I'm giving a bigger number but it's it's not, it's not a million or something to be close to	01:01:32
	that.	01:01:36
	We'll bring you back because I don't know what the cost is. We need to ask you that.	01:01:41
	Mr. Hitler like an estimate.	01:01:46
	They'll tell us question. This is the one with the yeah, this is an outline of what they'll have to do and what it's going to cost	01:01:48
	and they'll give us the.	01:01:52
	They'll give us the cost estimate as they.	01:01:56
	Put out the outline.	01:01:58
	It was a bit of a bid.	01:02:00
	The way it's written there, I'm making this like they're just giving an estimate of what it's going to cost.	01:02:03
	Or postpone it. That's fine with me.	01:02:10
	If you wanna get a get across, I mean whatever.	01:02:13
	Motion with the sponsor the next meeting.	01:02:16
	There was already a motion to approve.	01:02:19
	He can. He can.	01:02:23
	Not just withdraw your motion.	01:02:25
	But the medium and the main motion.	01:02:27
	And you can't make them up. You can't postpone the motion. That's with the motion that's already been made to pass.	01:02:30
	You can just.	01:02:36
	This withdrawing a motion.	01:02:38
	Well.	01:02:42
	With someone can withdraw the motion.	01:02:43
	Anyone vote for it. This is not.	01:02:47
	If it's excessive, I'll bring you. I will stop it.	01:02:50
	I'll give you all the information at the next meeting and I will not move forward. If you approve it, I promise not to move	01:02:55
	forward with it until they give me an estimate.	01:02:59
	But I have to have the ability to talk to them about it. That's why we're bringing it to you.	01:03:05
	To our consultants.	01:03:10
	And this was everybody will review and Mr. Mayor, this would also be part of the information needed to fill out the pro forma.	01:03:16
	So one big packaging.	01:03:23
	So, so I'll just say all in favor.	01:03:25
	Umm.	01:03:28
	No.	01:03:29
	No. Well, let me, I'm going to question, I'll say against.	01:03:30
	The next thing I'll say is for all the favor and I'll say again, that's what I usually say.	01:03:33
	So I'll say.	01:03:38
	You wanna do a roll call on this too? What the heck?	01:03:39
	Listening.	01:03:42
	Discuss what we're what we're voting on. And did we get a second voting on allowing the administration to investigate an	01:03:43
	interconnect?	01:03:47
	Between trash state and our new.	01:03:51
	Play.	01:03:53
	OK, so that's.	01:03:54
	Us.	01:03:55
	It's.	01:03:56
	Mr.	01:03:57
	Panetta.	01:03:58
	Councillor Marianne Chavez.	01:04:00
	Councillor Dean.	01:04:03
	Councillor Fleming.	01:04:04
	Counter hits? Yes. Councillor Ocampo, Yes.	01:04:07
	Councillor again? No.	01:04:10
	Councillor Romero.	01:04:12
	Councillor Salomi.	01:04:15
	Thank you.	01:04:20
	And I promise to bring you the cost before I move on with this.	01:04:21
	And if it's, if it's exorbitant, we will then.	01:04:25
	There's no Mr. Who?	01:04:30
	OK. Thanks.	01:04:32
	No.	01:04:34
	Wanna do the better work for creating Rio Grande Trail Infrastructure Plan for the secure area?	01:04:38
	Make the motion. Ohh, I said. Mr. Hitch, OK.	01:04:45
	Yeah, didn't didn't work for IFD 0709233 Red Trail.	01:04:48
	2nd.	01:04:58
	The move seconded discussion.	01:04:59
	What's this going to cost us?	01:05:01
	Actually, Mr. Mayor, we're approached by the state as we were nearing the end of the fiscal year that they had some more	01:05:03
	recreation funds and Mr. Robb Selena has been to two of our meetings with our connection in between.	01:05:09
	And it's a $50,000 grant with 5000 of that.	01:05:15
	Coming to administration.	01:05:20
	Wonderful Honor Favor.	01:05:22
	Poland OK, Chelsea.	01:05:25
	What is going on at the library?	01:05:28
	Are you having a lot of misconduct?	01:05:32
	OK. Good evening.	01:05:37
	So actually this is going to generate some funding for our library board of trustees. And our last meeting we discussed how a lot	01:05:39
	of libraries are introducing coffee stations to their libraries. So with a closed lid, they bring in their own reusable coffee	01:05:44
	mugs, they can put in a donation and we'll have a passive fundraiser.	01:05:50
	Um, or they can purchase cuts with the win. So I had to update our rules of conduct that would allow that in the library building.	01:05:56
	So that's the only change to rule 1.	01:06:01
	Positive things.	01:06:07
	Make motion We passed the Patreon Rules of Conduct for the library.	01:06:09
	Seconded all in favor, aye?	01:06:14
	And Chelsea is doing great with our Wellness program too. That's another one she's taken on, so that's great.	01:06:17
	Mr. Again, make a motion We passed the 2023 drug policy for the Transportation Department.	01:06:23
	Moved. Seconded Carlos.	01:06:30
	It's something new.	01:06:32
	That's their biggest problem here.	01:06:38
	We've got recreational marijuana.	01:06:42
	The federal government does not recognize recreational marijuana.	01:06:44
	The Department of Transportation where we get our money from.	01:06:49
	Is a federal project.	01:06:54
	It doesn't allow anybody who works.	01:06:57
	Four or on.	01:07:00
	The vehicles.	01:07:02
	It.	01:07:04
	Put this put us in a bind.	01:07:06
	You know, because we have recreational marijuana.	01:07:08
	I don't have a way to age how much and when you used it.	01:07:11
	So that's that's going to be a bigger and bigger. The state just dumped that on us and we don't have any.	01:07:15
	Personnel policies to deal with this.	01:07:21
	But as long as there's a federal violation, then that's what it is.	01:07:25
	So all in favor, Aye, opposed.	01:07:30
	Thank you, Carlos.	01:07:33
	New business just for Mr. Logan.	01:07:34
	Can we explore the possibility of of counselors that aren't physically in attendance that we don't do on?	01:07:37
	Collins anymore. I think we're kind of past that if councillors can't make.	01:07:45
	The meeting in person, I think that they can be.	01:07:49
	Donald, what's the rule for?	01:07:53
	Post COVID. Mr. Mayor, I don't think they have changed the Open Meetings Act since COVID, but once COVID hit as long as you're	01:07:56
	able to.	01:08:00
	Recognizes the individual voice.	01:08:04
	They can call in or do video, but I will research that tomorrow again.	01:08:07
	See if it's changed.	01:08:12
	OK, so we also have Rules of Procedure that we can edit, and so let's look into that.	01:08:14
	I'm not here to be meeting Mr. Mayor either, but if I'm not here.	01:08:21
	I'm not here.	01:08:24
	Right.	01:08:25
	Any other new business?	01:08:26
	And then there's old business.	01:08:30
	No.	01:08:35
	And then there's the executive session, which has gone by the wayside.	01:08:36
	We've got marriage report to Mexico Humanities Council of course, is Chelsea Jones.	01:08:40
	Is the Lady of the Day. It's warm, but we skipped the skip one.	01:08:47
	If the personnel.	01:08:52
	But that was a personal matters.	01:08:55
	For executive session.	01:08:57
	So would everybody like to appoint Chelsea to another position?	01:09:01
	I still move. I can't.	01:09:05
	Seconded. Congratulations, all in favor, aye.	01:09:07
	Mr. Where there's also an oath of office in your packet.	01:09:11
	If we could do that as well.	01:09:14
	Right now.	01:09:16
	Now, OK. Pleasure.	01:09:18
	Oh.	01:09:22
	No.	01:09:25
	We're done.	01:09:26
	Thank you.	01:09:29
	OK, so I am going to appoint some committees.	01:09:31
	The Finley Gymnasium Complex Committee.	01:09:34
	We have received $1,000,000 thanks to Representative Artemio.	01:09:37
	Would like to put the.	01:09:41
	Councillor Dean and Councillor Romero.	01:09:43
	And if there's another person I would like to go on that, that's too, Mr. Ogeen.	01:09:46
	I would like to put them on that committee.	01:09:50
	To design and look at seeing what we're going to spend that $1,000,000 of.	01:09:53
	I would like for you to meet with the architect and Lloyd Martinez.	01:09:59
	And and they're going because the money will be received in August.	01:10:04
	Yes, Sir, we should get the grant agreement by the end of July.	01:10:09
	So look forward to that, but you guys maybe with any NM?	01:10:13
	And what?	01:10:20
	And see here.	01:10:21
	They are the architects.	01:10:23
	And the Recreation Committee, thanks to.	01:10:26
	Councillor Ocampo, we did get 100,000.	01:10:29
	For the studio park remodel.	01:10:32
	And if anybody, we were trying to get a landscape engineer or somebody who deals with that kind of stuff.	01:10:35
	Would like to have Mr. Ocampo and who else would like to be on Mr. Odean and.	01:10:40
	Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought we already had a recognition of community.	01:10:46
	Well, yeah, but I'm.	01:10:50
	I'm telling you I'm changing it, no.	01:10:52
	Not this channel is Lopez.	01:10:55
	Mr. But I'm just assigning you that task.	01:10:57
	Of getting well.	01:11:01
	Donald and Polo to put the ad out for a request for proposals.	01:11:03
	For a.	01:11:07
	Architect, landscape, whatever kind of, you know, sites, sites, Southwest is doing the.	01:11:09
	Escondido.	01:11:15
	Link.	01:11:17
	That big landscape company to I'm just saying it, we need to get a hold of some company.	01:11:18
	That will help us with Studio Park.	01:11:23
	So that was perfect.	01:11:26
	Marriott and I asked, How's that committee as far as looking?	01:11:28
	Side by sides on the streets.	01:11:32
	Haven't done anything right, Donald.	01:11:34
	What haven't done anything yet for?	01:11:37
	Time.	01:11:40
	For the TV show.	01:11:41
	Hello.	01:11:42
	Up with it or just leave it livable?	01:11:44
	Mr. Mayor.	01:11:47
	Let's do it again. I make a motion to approve the job descriptions 123 and four. We're the one that held up the meeting right now.	01:11:48
	OK.	01:11:56
	Any seconds.	01:11:58
	2nd so moved and seconded. All in favor aye?	01:12:00
	Nor is that acceptable there.	01:12:04
	Mr. Mayor, Mr. Logan, hold on. Can we pass the personnel changes?	01:12:07
	There's a bunch of them.	01:12:14
	What's going on here? You don't want me to read them all?	01:12:16
	All right. There's like.	01:12:19
	2 pages? No. Everybody's happy with this.	01:12:21
	Everybody, you know we we ask everybody to be making at least 15 bucks and so we're almost there. The temporaries kind of started	01:12:25
	14. So all in favor for the personnel changes opposed.	01:12:31
	Just a man, yes. Both do business registrations as the center.	01:12:37
	Economic presentation. I've done this one.	01:12:42
	This is a 5 star cannabis out of town.	01:12:45
	Watsky Folk.	01:12:49
	Cannabis cultivation access. Telecom Canada.	01:12:50
	Stable tablets and phones, BMG utilities.	01:12:54
	Directional board.	01:12:57
	***** equipment installation.	01:13:01
	Richard Bustamante, refrigeration McDowell transient vendor.	01:13:03
	Maggie Delia Rojas.	01:13:07
	Boy, shut up.	01:13:10
	Automotive supplies and kind of electric supply.	01:13:12
	Electric services.	01:13:16
	Now, Mr. Nixon.	01:13:18
	Christmas.	01:13:21
	Because not ideal, I make that motion.	01:13:23
	Ohh favor. OK July 5th this time.	01:13:27
	Right after July 4th.	01:13:31
	Huh.	01:13:35
	Yeah, two days Monday, I guess. Are we closing on Monday?	01:13:36
	On the 4th.	01:13:41
	OK.	01:13:45
	We're not closed Monday.	01:13:47
	And my target to myself now.	01:13:49
	So we're not closed Monday.	01:13:53
	OK. All right.	01:13:55
	OK. Thank you for everybody.	01:13:58
	We even got Mr.	01:14:01