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Already have a clock anymore, Sir? Are we ready? 00:00:00
Patricia. 00:00:04
Hey, Cortana, how you doing now? 00:00:05
This is the City of Sephora City Council meeting Wednesday, July 5th, 2023. Roll call please. 00:00:08
Councillor Travis Lopez here. Councillor Dean here. 00:00:16
Councillor Fleming. 00:00:19
Councillor Hicks here. 00:00:22
Councillor Ocampo. 00:00:24
Councillor again? 00:00:27
Councillor Romero here. 00:00:29
Councillor Salomi. 00:00:31
Mr. Fleming. 00:00:33
We got two people on the phone again, but. 00:00:34
We'll come to that when we get to decide what we're going to do. All rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:37
Visual. 00:00:45
Of the United States of America. 00:00:47
Says one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:51
Mr. Brown Mr. Again, I just real quick, Councillor Ocampos on the phone now he was out there doing that so he's on the phone and. 00:00:59
Hallelujah for July 4th. Everybody did well. I don't think we had too many fires that we chief. 00:01:07
Or. 00:01:13
Here. 00:01:14
I'm here. 00:01:16
OK, David, we got, we got you. We got you. 00:01:17
You got a little. Thank you. Sorry. 00:01:19
Yeah, well, I mean, we just started right off on the 3rd or so. 00:01:23
When we had a big old fire in the holding pond. 00:01:27
Below Mr. Randy's house. 00:01:29
Mr. Mayor, How? Mr. Who? 00:01:33
Mr. Gibbs, make a motion to move the consent agenda. 00:01:36
2nd. 00:01:39
Moved and seconded discussion. 00:01:41
Hunter. 00:01:43
OK, so. 00:01:45
We have the. 00:01:47
Approve the agenda as presented. 00:01:51
Sorry. 00:01:54
So whatever. 00:01:58
Ohh down there, somebody going to 2nd it. 00:02:00
So we're done with all the. 00:02:05
Minutes and. 00:02:07
Budget resolution number 23027. 00:02:09
Public Forum, who is out there that is not on the agenda, would like to make a comment. 00:02:13
Nobody. 00:02:21
Even department heads are happy now. 00:02:23
No comments. 00:02:26
OK. 00:02:28
Alright, OK. The first on the agenda and I see the. 00:02:29
Score Electric Cooperative and as Councillor Olguin requested this, I'm gonna let him introduce who's here and then they can go 00:02:34
ahead and speak if they'd like. 00:02:39
Yeah. So I think the comments have been made that you know. 00:02:44
You invited the the court to attend some of these meetings and. 00:02:47
After last meeting, I thought we invited the court to come here to answer your questions. 00:02:51
By the council, possibly the mayor. 00:02:56
Umm. 00:02:58
In public, so I know lot of discussions have been going on. 00:02:59
Ohh with people I guess. 00:03:02
Buying closed doors. So I think it's a good opportunity if there's any chance of maybe working on the franchise agreement that we 00:03:04
can start here in a public setting with everybody here including. 00:03:09
See the guests from your guests as well too, I think, yeah. 00:03:14
I I take a little bit of a. 00:03:18
Not offense, but. 00:03:21
I'm not sure what you mean by behind closed doors or I guess that's the wrong term. I mean, because we've been having behind 00:03:22
closed doors, then invite them. 00:03:26
That I didn't invite everybody to the Co-op meeting with individual counselors, The Co-op meeting with you. 00:03:30
That's what I'm talking about. The Co-op meeting with the individual councillors I had no control over because the Co-op made the. 00:03:36
Make the initial attempt to introduce themselves to each counselor. 00:03:42
The meeting I had with the. 00:03:47
Coop here at City Hall, I invited. 00:03:48
You and all the other councillors to that meeting. 00:03:52
Understand that. 00:03:55
Hmm, I understand that. 00:03:56
So it was not a meeting behind closed doors on my part. I just want to clarify that. 00:03:58
So we've got Chairman Anaya. 00:04:04
And Mr. Herrera, my guess. 00:04:06
Nan Winner, she's our lawyer that she does a lot of utility works all over the state. 00:04:09
And at risk with our consultant for. 00:04:15
Energy acquisition and. 00:04:17
And and rate estimates and the cost of what's going to happen? 00:04:19
And he also and just to get that out of the way. 00:04:25
There was a little bit of a problem with my definition of interconnect. 00:04:29
I know the council wanted to know a price for the interconnect. Remember when we said that? 00:04:33
Interconnect meant building the substation. I just asked that. 00:04:39
It did not mean hooking into tri-state. 00:04:43
The cost of hooking into tri-state. 00:04:46
Is minimal. 00:04:48
The cost of building that thing which is called where you dump the electricity that we would eventually get from a tri-state 00:04:51
building that substation that was a, that's what they call the interconnect. So that was my fault and not defining it properly. 00:04:57
So I just, I know the council wanted that information, Mr. Mayor. There is no cost to what we approve. Well, there will be a cost, 00:05:05
but not in the not seven $10 million, which is to build a substation that's 100,000 is pretty accurate. Well, Ed. Edd. 00:05:11
Can you just and I'm sorry gentlemen, I just wanted to get that out of the way. Ed, can you tell me what you explained to me? I 00:05:17
I'm sorry that. 00:05:21
I just wanted to clear that up before we got into this conversation. Yeah, so there there's a, there's there's an application 00:05:24
process for the. 00:05:27
For the interconnection. 00:05:31
That the application goes to tri-state. 00:05:32
Tri-state will they? They're fork regulated entity so as long as the application is complete. 00:05:35
Then the application gets approved. 00:05:42
Then it goes to a system impact constantly. Well, they there's so that part there's a small peak, there's a small cost to the 00:05:45
application. 00:05:49
Uh, there's going to be a cost of a a system impact study. 00:05:53
So. 00:05:57
When you apply. 00:05:57
To the interconnect they have to look at what is this interconnection due to the integrity or the the reliability of. 00:05:59
Of the of that system and then all the adjoining and adjacent systems that will have to get done and that's that's probably a. 00:06:05
You know it's it's not that's not a a huge way it's. 00:06:13
Forty $50,000, mostly more than most 10s of thousands, Not hundreds, 10s of thousands, not hundreds of thousands. 00:06:16
And then the and then then you move to the actual interconnection. 00:06:23
And the interconnection is literally the physical. 00:06:28
That's the physical construction of getting a line tap or a switch yard. 00:06:31
Build and then taking those lines. 00:06:36
And bringing them to a substation. 00:06:39
Which would be the city's substation. 00:06:41
And then from there the distribution lines with emanate out of that substation to go serve the different modes right. OK, thank 00:06:44
you. And that that parts the that's the $10 million project Chairman. I'm sorry I I just wanted to make sure that. 00:06:51
We got that that information out, so that if you have comments about that or whatever, but I just wanted to make sure the council 00:06:58
knew what. 00:07:01
And I so I knew I didn't wasn't quite sure of the definition of interconnect. So thank you. Thanks Ed. 00:07:05
Well, Mr. Mayor. 00:07:12
City Council members appreciate the invite from. 00:07:13
And us to your agenda first. 00:07:17
Wanna pass this hand out? 00:07:19
UM Score Electric Cooperative recently became aware of a. 00:07:22
A grant for a community solar. 00:07:27
And this is to benefit low income communities. 00:07:30
So we're looking for. 00:07:34
Community. 00:07:36
Members. 00:07:37
For. 00:07:43
The community of Squirrel City of Squirrel Community of Magdalena and Alamo. 00:07:46
Uh, this grant. 00:07:51
Is provided by the Department of the Office of Clean Energy. 00:07:53
And it would be for the benefit of low income. 00:07:58
And since you're the mayor of the city of Socorro, we we need a community. 00:08:01
Contact for that city. Really just put your name in on the application that you know for the city of Socorro. There's no 00:08:05
obligation for the city. 00:08:10
It just, uh, they want to know what communities were looking at targeting. 00:08:15
And this would help target the city of Sapporo. 00:08:20
And then, like I said, the other two communities. 00:08:23
Matter from the village of Magdalena has agreed to put their name on it. And then. 00:08:27
The. 00:08:32
Alamo Chapter House member has agreed to. 00:08:33
Sign on to it. So I'm here to ask for that as well, since. 00:08:37
Since I was here, I can respond to some of that or I just want to finish. 00:08:40
Well, like I stated in the letter, I can tell you that I wouldn't sign it because we have somebody and actually Marianne Chavez 00:08:44
has been working with him. 00:08:48
On a different level, but. 00:08:52
We have access to those grants also as a city. 00:08:53
We also have the land. I don't know if the coop has land that they're going to put it on because they're asking for a certain 00:08:56
amount of land to be made free, so. 00:08:59
We're already in the process of doing that, so I I would not, I would not be willing as mayor and if the council squeezes my neck, 00:09:03
I might be doing that. But I would recommend to them that since we're already on the track of doing it and. 00:09:10
And we're planning to get the. 00:09:17
Uh. 00:09:19
The grant that you're just talking about through this gentleman. And so that's my answer to that. 00:09:21
Done that? That's perfectly fine. We're just trying to look for. 00:09:27
Benefits for Well, what happened to that that, you know, you guys went out to bid about maybe 2-3 years ago for solar? 00:09:31
And then I never heard anything about it. You know, you went out to bid and you had, you were gonna, you were gonna talk about 00:09:37
getting a solar generating for electricity. You don't remember doing that. Yeah, I remember doing that. But I would also do. 00:09:44
We did that recently as this year, earlier this year. So I think that was several years ago, maybe you know what it is here. 00:09:51
We we went out for RFP. 00:09:58
And. 00:10:00
We're looking at A2 MW system and it came back at $55 a MW hour. Kind of didn't pencil out, but did you work on that? We're no 00:10:01
because we're looking at other the IPRA, the IRA and all these other programs have come out since then. 00:10:09
So we're I, I I've been on. That's your best of luck with that. I think they're good programs to help the community. 00:10:16
But I think the city is already on a on the course of getting that done. 00:10:23
OK, alright, I like I said, we we're looking for. 00:10:27
Benefits for for the communities of you know. 00:10:31
Of our members and and we'd like. 00:10:34
It's great you're doing that. 00:10:37
And this would be an opportunity that we're just seeing if we can. 00:10:38
Get in there, because it's July 13th is the deadline and so we're trying to make that. 00:10:42
As we just became aware of that. 00:10:48
As Councilman again mentioned, you know, talk about the franchise, we'd like to request that the city. 00:10:50
Put a a franchise agreement on its next agenda. 00:10:57
As we've had discussions, 2 discussions with you and then we've discussed with. 00:11:01
The multiple City Council members that. 00:11:06
What's the harm in doing a franchise agreement with Support Electric? 00:11:09
And allowing us to continue the service at each of the city would build out its system. 00:11:13
In bridging that gap that would get to the. 00:11:18
The time that the city builds out its electrical infrastructure to the meter. 00:11:21
To serve the citizens of or we continue serving till that. 00:11:27
That time frame, so we'd request that. 00:11:30
You add that to the agenda so that we could. 00:11:33
Have a path to move forward. 00:11:35
And so that we don't put the community. 00:11:38
In limbo until that period occurs or whenever that happens. 00:11:42
I know we've discussed that, but we'd ask. 00:11:46
That the franchise agreement don't have any stipulations that the poles and wires. 00:11:49
Become the property of the city of Socorro. 00:11:53
Are you saying that the city? Are you? 00:11:57
Are you making a statement that the city of Sequoia if the city takes over your electric grid? 00:12:00
And doesn't do it by 2024? The city you would stop electricity in the city of Subaru? No, we'd never do that. So what do you mean 00:12:05
by limbo? 00:12:08
Well, there's a period where the franchise as we know it's going to come to expire. 00:12:12
And May of 2024, right? 00:12:17
And he said, well then we go month to month. 00:12:19
Well, you know, in order for us to have stability in our rates, we've got to know what what the franchise. 00:12:22
Agreement would look like and how that would operate so that we could have. 00:12:28
Those stability in our electric rates. 00:12:32
And once a month doesn't give you much stability. 00:12:35
And month to month doesn't give the. 00:12:38
Citizens of sectoral stability. 00:12:40
Let me share with you a letter that I gave you and went to the Co-op board with in 2017. 00:12:43
So it's not the last nine months I think the. 00:12:50
The council has that on their desk. 00:12:53
And this was. 00:12:55
This is a 2 minute. You gave me two minutes to speak because. 00:12:57
Tri-state was there for an hour and a half, giving us their dog and pony show. Basically I just said that this is 2017, mind you. 00:13:01
Consumer complaints about customer relations of the quality of electric service. 00:13:09
Lack of participation in school, electrical and alternative energies. 00:13:13
Lack of initiative and economic development, with resistance to proposal by outside companies to improve and benefit the 00:13:18
well-being of our community. 00:13:21
Non competitive rates for residential and commercial industrial users. 00:13:25
That's what I asked the Co-op and the Co-op trustees to look at and respond to me within six months. 00:13:30
I never heard one word of that. Why would it change now that we're at? 00:13:37
It's nine months from termination of the franchise. Why would it? Why would things change now that you're. 00:13:42
Not providing us with a draft of a. 00:13:48
Of a coop agreement? That's 10 years. 00:13:51
How old and says can be affected? I mean why would we, why would the City Council change now? Well, what is, what have you done 00:13:53
differently to show us that you're actually going to perform? 00:13:58
To the point that one of your trustees that actually put forth a a program that would actually was very good Mr. McCartney, Wade 00:14:04
McCartney said. 00:14:08
That if you could buy your. 00:14:13
Tri-state contract out 5050, which was asked to do a long time ago. You could have done that and and decreased rates. 00:14:14
And also do Alternative Energy and the trustees. 00:14:22
Voted that down last week. 00:14:26
So I don't quite understand why. Why would we be more optimistic about this? 00:14:28
Well, first of all, back in 2017, I think more into that letter, you add that. 00:14:33
You would like to negotiate a price for the the coop. 00:14:39
For the facilities. 00:14:43
In that letter, you asked that we like to start the negotiations. 00:14:44
For the purchase of this. 00:14:48
Facilities. 00:14:50
And so. 00:14:52
If we were to act on every complaint that we got from members because we've heard complaints of. 00:14:53
Natural gas bills of seven $1000. 00:14:58
We wouldn't want to jump into the natural gas business. 00:15:01
I understand That's your business. We're staying in our lane. 00:15:05
But to act on something that was not in the boards? 00:15:08
Fiduciary duty to sell the facilities which you you're aware? 00:15:13
It would take 2/3 of the entire membership to vote on that. 00:15:17
So the Board of Trustees don't have that authority. It's. 00:15:21
It's up to the membership to make that decision. 00:15:24
As per your letter that you requested. 00:15:27
Listed all those things, but you went on to say. 00:15:29
And we'd like to start the negotiations to. 00:15:32
Purchase of facilities. 00:15:34
There was a response. So you're telling me that the board has to? 00:15:37
Decide. 00:15:41
On which direction you would have to go to the owners? 00:15:42
That if you were going to buy out 5050, the tri-state contract, you'd have to take a vote of the owners. That's what you're 00:15:46
saying? 00:15:49
No, we're talking. I'm addressing your letter. 00:15:52
Yeah, the letter went on. It was a point of jump off of negotiations. I never heard anything about it until now. I haven't changed 00:15:55
my position. So why are you guys here wanting to motivate? 00:15:59
Well. 00:16:05
The response to your letter from 2017 was that the corpse not for selling. It's still not for sale today. 00:16:06
Mr. We're We're here to. 00:16:12
To see if we could find a path forward. We could have found it at 17. Hey, you know Robbie. 00:16:14
Here's what we're interested in doing. What you're asking for is not doable, but here's what we can do to attempt to some of the 00:16:20
first four things that you're asking for. 00:16:24
Those other ones were subsequent to that. 00:16:29
But you guys never even approached me to do that. Matter of fact, you basically just said Ohh, thanks for coming there. See you 2 00:16:31
minutes. 00:16:34
And and not one. 00:16:38
Trustee reached out and said, you know. 00:16:40
Let's negotiate this for 2024 so that we can do that other other than taking us to court, the District Court where you lost. 00:16:42
And you went to PRC and launched on your rate increase and on your economic development rates. 00:16:49
And led rates. 00:16:55
We have to you have to push that. Well, with all due respect, Mr. Mayor. 00:16:56
The the notice of trespass that you gave to us that in 2018, in March of 2018. 00:17:01
You. 00:17:08
Started that notice of trespass, so that's why we took. 00:17:09
Went to District Court and through mediation. 00:17:13
We came to an agreement that the franchise was in place for 25 years. So I don't know if that was a loss. It was a it was a Bush. 00:17:16
That was definitive. You're right, that was good. I mean, that's something that gave us a deadline. 00:17:21
That we were going to get something done. Mr. Hicks comment, I'm sorry, can I address your second point? 00:17:27
The the second point on the PRC. 00:17:33
Our rates anytime we do a rate increase. 00:17:37
We go through an economical cost of service study. 00:17:41
The board hires a third party financial economic. 00:17:44
To do a cost of service study. 00:17:49
That's then reviewed by the board of trustees and then. 00:17:51
Not only do they have to approve, but that has to go to the PRC. 00:17:55
At the PRC, the PRC did not allow what we proposed about free money back and they. 00:17:59
And they. 00:18:06
Really designed the rates. 00:18:07
And you you were part of that process, that's what's. 00:18:09
Difference between us and our electric rates? 00:18:12
Is that it's not just the board that passes it, there's also a consumer advocate that looks out for those rates, so. 00:18:14
Mr. Hicks. 00:18:21
Umm. 00:18:23
And I met with you there, to quote the other day or last week, whatever it was. 00:18:24
You're saying to somebody equipment or to? 00:18:29
Make any major changes. 00:18:33
That you had to have 2/3 of your 100% of your customers, is that correct? 00:18:36
What Councilman Hicks, what I stated was to. 00:18:45
Dispose of any of the corrupt assets. 00:18:50
It's in statute and it's in the bylaws that 2/3 of the entire membership would have to vote on that and it would have to pass by 00:18:53
2/3. And how many members do you have all through all your area? About 8700. So to get that's just something you can't ever do. 00:19:00
Well, we've we've. 00:19:09
We've done a pretty good job of getting members to vote at our annual meetings, but. 00:19:11
You've never gotten 2/3 when you're never going to get that many. I mean, I don't know. 00:19:15
That's that's in our bylaws. 00:19:20
And yet when you get rid of your equipment and stuff, you can get 2/3 of the majority of the members to OK that to. 00:19:26
Dispose of old vehicles, Is that correct? 00:19:34
When it's a substantial. 00:19:37
So, so the plant that's when it's needed so. 00:19:40
They were the difference. 00:19:43
Well, all vehicles are not are fully depreciated. 00:19:44
And they're not substantial amount of of the. 00:19:49
Electric plant. 00:19:52
They're not considered electric plant. 00:19:53
OK. 00:19:56
When we were talking the other day. 00:20:02
Ohh man. 00:20:07
By the way, I forgot to introduce Jared William Caesar. 00:20:12
Director of Public Comment. 00:20:15
Communications and public affairs targeting. 00:20:18
The. 00:20:21
Ever since. 00:20:22
Well, actually it was in your in your agreement here for your franchise fees. 00:20:24
You're wanting 2%, is that correct? It was it 4? 00:20:29
2% is what, 2%? What have we been charging in the past, 2%? 00:20:33
2% and we don't, we don't want to increase those. That's just an extra cost to the company. They just pass it through. 00:20:38
I thought we we're not gonna increase those if we if we're gonna do a franchise. 00:20:43
But you you understand. 00:20:47
What we're trying to do is get the citizens. 00:20:50
A cheaper rate. 00:20:54
And was there anything you could have done earlier to work with us to get that cheaper rate? 00:20:55
We're in the binary atrocity from there. They're the highest one around. 00:21:02
Colorado is getting rid of them. There's a lot of people that are flowing from trying to stake. 00:21:07
Because their rates are so high. 00:21:12
Councilman Hicks, I would say that, you know, when it comes to. 00:21:16
The rates, you know it. It's all. 00:21:21
Depends where you're at, what deals you can make and how long you can make those deals for. Has told you that. 00:21:24
You know, for us. 00:21:30
In 2008, the Board of Trustees signed a contract extension with tri-state that went to 2050. 00:21:32
We, like the other members, get a postage stamp rate and we pay that rate. 00:21:40
And that rate has now changed since 2017, so. 00:21:46
Better rates. I don't know how long I could get a better rate, but well, is that good? 00:21:50
Is a good offensive to it. You can buy it, you can pay them out. 00:21:55
For however long Adam, 20 years I think it was, and go to put Carson, you get it a whole lot cheaper. Even paying them off, you 00:22:00
got cheaper rates. 00:22:04
Alright, don't believe kick Carson sales generation. 00:22:09
It's what the person is not a generation company. 00:22:12
When we need to deal with generators and and merchant generators and. 00:22:17
When we've looked at those type of things to buy out of tri-state, we've done our evaluation. It doesn't pencil out. 00:22:22
Our entire load for our systems 30 megawatts. 00:22:29
That's for all 7 counties that we serve. 00:22:33
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Mr. again. 00:22:39
So. 00:22:41
Based on this learning in 2017 if. 00:22:42
In hindsight or where however you want to put it. 00:22:45
If we were addressed or if the could have addressed these four things, you know, customer relations. 00:22:48
Uh, they came up with. Uh. 00:22:55
Umm. 00:22:57
Like what they're doing now with the solar and alternative energies, they're not doing it right now. I'm just saying if they did 00:23:00
do that. 00:23:03
The lack of and then they work with us or work with the city on economic development. 00:23:06
Um, proposals or economic development incentives? 00:23:11
And then they worked on. 00:23:14
Getting non competitive rates. 00:23:16
Or worked on making them more competitive rates. We wouldn't be in this situation right now. 00:23:19
You know the old story about it and the elephants, You'd take it bite at a time, and over 8 years we could have taken a lot of 00:23:25
bites out of that elephant. 00:23:29
Right now, they want us to swallow the whole elephant at one time. 00:23:32
And we're already into another. 00:23:35
Meat product. 00:23:37
You know what we're trying to do? 00:23:39
Is. 00:23:41
Look at something that's viable and then when you tell them this is what we expect from you to sign the franchise. 00:23:42
Then the answer is we've got to get 2/3 of our vote to do that. 00:23:49
So it's out of their hands. 00:23:52
And so I I just not sure. 00:23:54
What is in their hands and what is not in their hands? And it defers to the 2/3 majority. So yeah, so, so the question is. 00:23:57
We've gone our own separate way. They've finally come to the table because they finally believed, after 15 years of me yelling 00:24:06
about it, that we were actually going to do something. 00:24:10
They had the opportunity to do a 5050 that some of the other coops had done. Their coop did. Carson is a coop. 00:24:15
Delta Montrose is a Co-op. 00:24:23
United Denver is not a coop and they're opting out. They buy billions of dollars worth of electricity. I don't know what that's 00:24:26
gonna do to your rates. 00:24:30
And there's another one, there's two that are gonna opt out in Denver area. 00:24:34
So. 00:24:39
I, you know, he's saying we do something. 00:24:40
We don't know what the rates are going to be month to month. 00:24:43
What are the rates gonna be? Mr. And I know you shaking your head about United opting out. You don't think there's gonna change 00:24:45
the rates at the coop, I mean, at the tri-state. 00:24:49
At the tri-state level, when I'm. 00:24:53
Member buys out, they are keeping the other members whole. 00:24:55
I'm sorry, they're keeping the other members of Tri-state whole when they buy out. That's why it's called. 00:24:59
Yeah. So they're they're buying out. 00:25:04
And that's maintaining the the remaining members whole. Are they are they using that for four or $500 million to keep them whole 00:25:07
and when that runs out, what happens then? 00:25:11
Because they're using that money that they're paying for penalties. 00:25:17
As a. 00:25:20
You don't know that well, what penalties, There's no penalties, there's no penalty you want, You just stopped out. 00:25:22
And get a cheaper electricity. 00:25:27
You know, you know the the Towers could Carson paid a penalty for opting out because they made a contract. 00:25:29
And they pay something like 35 to 40 million, you didn't know that? 00:25:35
I know that, but it wasn't called the county Ohh. What's it called by the way? It's called the buyout Ohh, excuse me by out of the 00:25:39
contract. So you united when they buy out for four or 500 million because they buy so much electricity and the buyout is that 00:25:43
much. 00:25:47
They're using that money to try to keep us whole. What happens when that money runs out? 00:25:52
Well, that's to keep the members whole till the end of the contract. 00:25:57
And so they're saying to you and there's not going to be an increase here in the next three months. 00:26:01
Well, there there is. 00:26:05
Everybody's in instances, then I kept home, but it's not due to the members opting to buy out, it's due to. 00:26:06
Increase in inflation that we've seen, tri-state has not had an increase. 00:26:12
Since 2017. 00:26:17
We've seen increases through inflation. I mean that's. 00:26:19
I mean it, it is part of doing the business that things do rising costs and that's part of the business. So as a as a manager of 00:26:22
the coop. 00:26:26
You feel that that Ridge is like if you ever had a loan out for 80% and now the interest rates are 3%. 00:26:31
So the the eight and a half cents that you're paying and I assume that's a true number or you can correct me? 00:26:37
Is the standard size at 8.8 cents $0.08? 00:26:43
And that is that the going rate for electricity right now, at this moment, at this time? 00:26:47
On the wholesale market? 00:26:52
Well, that's what I'm talking about from tri-state is wholesale, isn't it? Yes, that's. Yeah. 00:26:54
That's is that average? 00:26:59
That's the rate that's filed with with the first, yeah. 00:27:01
That's a good answer that. That's not the answer that I asked you and not the question I asked you. Is that an average rate as a 00:27:06
manager of that you know and made other Co-op managers? 00:27:11
And other people who buy electricity, is that the average rate for electricity, this and in this general in this era? 00:27:15
Know that their rates all depending on your load factor. 00:27:22
How many meters you serve and. 00:27:26
And how much distribution? Now we have 3.8 meters per mile. 00:27:28
Of line, so our load factor is not very high. 00:27:33
Like I mentioned, we're 30 MW peaking systems, so. 00:27:36
If you have a better load factor than. 00:27:40
Use more energy. You're going to have a lower cost. 00:27:42
So lower energy costs from there from the wholesaler, right. And so you're saying that we went out to bid about five years ago? 00:27:45
And those people that gave us a seven-year? 00:27:52
Window of a certain price. 00:27:54
That was around $0.05. 00:27:56
You're saying that that would have not been the right price, but they're they're not contracted, they're contracted with us for 00:27:58
five cents. 00:28:02
Well, I'm sure they would have contracted you $0.05. That was for generation, right? 00:28:05
Well, that's then. You still gotta get that energy to the meter. Sure, but they sense doesn't cost you Wheeling. Don't you have to 00:28:11
pay for Wheeling at all? That's part of our $0.88 and is included in our Wheeling. It's included in your Wheeling, yeah. And what 00:28:16
is the cost of electricity? The residents that are using less than an hour, 400 kilowatts. 00:28:22
Well, our our rate on file for residents is. 00:28:29
13.1594 cents per kWh. 00:28:33
And depending on what their usage is, that's. 00:28:37
So less than 400 kilowatts is 13 cents 13 and a half cents. Well, each kilowatt is $0.13. 00:28:40
You don't grade it according to how much they use. 00:28:47
Well, depending on their usage it it can vary. You'll have breaks where you change if you use less than a certain amount. That's a 00:28:50
tier rate. 00:28:53
Like a tear, right? Where? 00:28:58
You so much, you pay so much and then it drops. And no, we don't have no drop actually if you use less. 00:29:00
He and M's rates are at 11 cents. 00:29:06
For usage of residence, which is around 400 to 500 kilowatts a month. 00:29:09
PNM has 500,000 meters and we have. 00:29:16
13 So the number of meters makes a difference as to what you charge. 00:29:20
It makes a difference on what our costs are, makes a difference in how much energy is used so. 00:29:24
If you have more. 00:29:30
People in the party, you can spread those costs. 00:29:32
So 24 tri-state will decrease your rate if you have more people in the pod. 00:29:35
Well, our usage would Our load factor would increase, we'd have a higher load factor. 00:29:39
That would. 00:29:45
And you get a lower rate, yes. 00:29:46
But I mean, we certainly don't have that bigger. 00:29:50
Hot But how much do you think you will lose if we if you lose the City of Sequoia, how many megawatts? 00:29:53
About 6 to 8 megawatts. 00:29:59
6:00 to 8:00 if you lose the inside entire city of. 00:30:02
6 to 8 megawatts, yes. 00:30:06
That's news to me and you have a total of how much you said 200 something. 00:30:09
How much do you have in the whole system? 00:30:13
The peak load. 00:30:16
No, no. How many megawatts do you use in the whole system? On average, 30. 00:30:17
30 megawatts. 00:30:21
And so we're just one fifth of that whole, whole system. 00:30:22
True. 00:30:26
So how much would that make a difference if you're only 20% of that system? 00:30:27
To your rates. 00:30:31
Well, that's something that we have. 00:30:33
But. 00:30:36
Pencil and paper, but you know. 00:30:36
I don't have the answer for you right now what that exact figure is. 00:30:41
I mean it doesn't happen all at once. Is it like flipping the switch or? 00:30:44
Is that transition over a period of time? 00:30:48
Well, I guess I'm a little confused because the station we're talking about is 7 to 10 megawatts. 00:30:51
And if you say we're only using 6 megawatts in the city. 00:30:56
That's that makes me even more confused. 00:31:00
Because we thought that the, the amount that we're going to do in the industrial park is going to be between 7:00 and 10:00 00:31:05
megawatts. 00:31:07
Recently, New Mexico Tech has done about 2 1/2 megawatts of solar. 00:31:12
So they reduced their their capacity. 00:31:16
Which is, Which is they have to do it on their own. But yeah, so so you know, I I don't. 00:31:19
Administratively, as a mayor. 00:31:26
We're on a different course right now. 00:31:28
And I've done. 00:31:31
My counsel to the counselors are is that we should continue with that. We should continue negotiating with you. I like what Wade 00:31:32
said. 00:31:36
At your meeting about what you could do and perhaps put it in black and white. 00:31:41
I'd look at that franchise a lot more and give you an extension of one or two years to accomplish that. I think that would be a 00:31:45
great compromise. 00:31:49
But it appears that you guys don't want to head in that direction. 00:31:53
Well, this is the first time I'm hearing about what we were at that meeting. 00:31:57
Was that the meeting? What? What are you? What's the places are you? Let me read you the proposal. I don't know if you knew what 00:32:01
the proposal was then because I I thought the understanding was that. 00:32:05
He was talking about buying out 5050. 00:32:10
Doing solar to a certain amount. Who's this? 00:32:13
Where McCartney, is anyone in your trustees? Yeah. 00:32:16
It's neither one. I thought he was one of your trustees that you know, he's he's a District 1 trustee. That's him. 00:32:20
And his comment was. 00:32:25
That. 00:32:27
Yeah, Ohh, that's what you're saying. Wait, here's a pretty huh, You say? Wait, what's this? We have Dave Wade and we have. I'm 00:32:28
sorry, I know they wouldn't make that comment, but Wade McClain, what's his first name? 00:32:34
Warrant warning? Here's what he said, he said. 00:32:42
He proposed the coop. 00:32:45
For the renewable energy and buy out 50% of tri-state contract. 00:32:47
We could get 30 to 20 megawatts of solar and about 8 megawatts of battery storage for about 30 million. 00:32:51
Brought it down, probably about seven and a half million would produce at least 1/4 of our energy consumption. 00:32:57
Which is about 14 million a year from tri-state, saving us three and a half million. 00:33:02
And you guys didn't feel that that would was a good proposal? 00:33:07
To look at, at least start working towards it. 00:33:11
Well, the I can't speak for the board, but what the board said is that that's something that would not be how do we know that's 00:33:14
going to be acceptable for the city to do a franchise? 00:33:19
Well, you gotta do something more than just keep printing the same franchise over and over again. But do you? What do you mean the 00:33:25
trustee, they turned it down. They voted against it, right? 00:33:29
Well, they're both taken on that. 00:33:34
What was voted on was to. 00:33:37
Hold off on doing renewables. 00:33:40
So we get this franchise, but his proposal was not voted on. That's what you're telling me. No, wait, what? The action taken by 00:33:42
the board was on renewables. 00:33:46
But there was no vote taken on his. His. Yeah, there was, and that was to do the renewables. 00:33:51
Was to postpone that till we get a franchise done. 00:33:56
And then you know what? That's I'm just telling you, Telling me, when were you there? 00:34:00
Well, obviously I wasn't. 00:34:05
Ohh, were you there? 00:34:07
Did you watch it on? 00:34:10
I was under. He told me that. Let me his comment was that it was voted down. I'm only taking his word for it. Maybe you're calling 00:34:12
him a liar. I'm not sure. I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm just saying, well, he's saying. 00:34:17
He's saying uh uh. 00:34:23
His comment was at the end, he says. They rejected my renewable energy, hope all is well, blah blah, blah, but so he said they're 00:34:26
rejected it. 00:34:29
The renewable energy. 00:34:33
That's the only part you rejected. You don't reject the 5050 buyout. 00:34:35
No, because the that's. 00:34:39
There's. 00:34:42
Only certain windows that that you have opportunities to do. The 5050 buyout in that window is closed. 00:34:43
OK. Well, I I again, I appreciate you coming. We still continue to talk. You're always welcome here. 00:34:49
But if the Council has more information about it, so just to clarify so. 00:34:55
The path that the the city is taking. 00:34:59
Is still the continue on to spend the money. 00:35:02
And at the same time still continue to negotiate and work with the cop? Is that what we're doing? 00:35:06
What? 00:35:11
The council approved an ordinance for the City of Socorro to become a. 00:35:12
Electric utility. 00:35:18
That was done by all the councillors in a unanimous vote. 00:35:19
An ordinance, not a resolution. I'm, I'm just going to put you well, I'm just answering your question. 00:35:23
I'm just giving the facts of why. 00:35:28
What you just said is happening, that we're moving forward. 00:35:30
Is that the Council has been voting every time. 00:35:34
On it wasn't my question. Well your your question was are we still gonna go ahead and keep doing that and are we gonna work with 00:35:37
the with the coop the answer. 00:35:41
I can't tell you yes or no other than how I can explain it if you want to say yes or no. 00:35:46
I'll be more than happy to just. 00:35:52
Say what you want me to say. 00:35:54
What do you want me to say, yes or no? I want you to say what you want to say. I want to say that we're continuing on with what 00:35:56
the Council approved. 00:36:00
And I again have offered the coop to continue to try to work towards us a little bit. 00:36:04
Towards what they're going to give us as far as. 00:36:10
Those first four things that I said in 2017. 00:36:13
So if they come and say we're going to do all four of these tomorrow. 00:36:17
And give me an assurance that'll happen. I give him a two year extension. 00:36:21
Yeah, I mean we're, you know we're and and while we're still. 00:36:26
You would give him a two year extension while we're still. 00:36:30
Paying for these studies and everything else in the meantime. 00:36:34
That's what you voted on for the economic development tax to do that. So we're to work on these today, both of them are, we're 00:36:37
going both on the same on the same path and the court provides what they what we're asking for but at the same time. 00:36:44
We still have our thing going. Which one are you telling me that you're gonna go ahead and do these? Theoretically, 00:36:52
Hypothetically. No, I'm saying hypothetically. Hypothetically. Pigs will fly too. But I hypothetically. Hypothetically. 00:36:57
I'm sorry. 00:37:05
You know, I'm just telling you what I think has been going on. 00:37:07
And in the long run, The Next Generation. This is a generational thing. It's not just A1 little thing. 00:37:11
That amount of money that you think we're spending will be paid. 00:37:17
100 times over, back to the constituents. 00:37:21
Mr. Suomi. Mr. You know, and looking at this. 00:37:24
At the rates and what? 00:37:28
Got to get real close to you. 00:37:33
In looking at the various raids, the Coop charges for residential and commercial and industrial. 00:37:36
Throughout the state. 00:37:43
You know. 00:37:45
I think what brings us here to this point is that. 00:37:46
Sapporo, like in the Socorro County, is the second poorest county in the state, right? 00:37:50
We have a lot of poverty in our county. 00:37:57
And in order to lift people out of that poverty level. 00:38:00
And put them into a middle class level and to move those folks from the middle class level up to the upper middle class. 00:38:04
Is really one of the main jobs. 00:38:12
All of us have as elected officials. 00:38:16
And folks that run Public Utilities and serve the public, that puts us here. 00:38:20
And so when looking at the rates we see you know the rates for the residential are higher, we're going to pay a higher rate than 00:38:26
the state average. 00:38:30
Our for commercial, we're going to pay a higher rate. 00:38:34
As well than the state average or then PNM or BURN or BLAND or Los Lunas and but in the industrial area it's significantly higher. 00:38:37
And to the point of where I look something up on find energy.com, I remember talking to you guys about this a while back just in 00:38:50
in passing. 00:38:54
About electricity local and you didn't think that was a that had a a lot of. 00:38:59
Apparent to that publication. 00:39:07
So I'm trying to find some other ones. And so when this find energy.com, you know it shows that that Sikora's industrial rates are 00:39:10
11. 00:39:14
For kWh and you go up to Bland and go on to Los Lunas or going to Albuquerque and and they're five. 00:39:18
And so I'm thinking that in order for us to move those folks and to try to support folks who need. 00:39:25
Decent jobs, yeah. There's there's groups in Socorro County that do. 00:39:32
Too well? 00:39:36
But for the most part, like I said, second course county and the whole in the state. 00:39:37
We need something to attract something, some company to come up here and hire the folks that we have. 00:39:43
That live here and they go to school here. We have a wonderful highly renowned university right here that I'm sure some of these 00:39:49
high tech. 00:39:55
Industrial places would like to pull from and it's a great resource for them. But at at 10.9 kilowatt per cent per kWh we we just 00:40:00
can't. There's no way on earth that we can show them how neat the bosky is. Look Bosky's beautiful golf course is great, Box 00:40:10
Canyon wonderful. All of these things that took coral can offer people that we don't get there because they just. 00:40:19
They just eliminate it because hey, why spend according according to the calculation that I made. 00:40:29
It's it's upwards of $10,000 a month more they would pay in Socorro County than they would in Los Lunas. 00:40:35
And so, you know, the the solar companies here, yeah, they, they enjoy making solar panels, but that's not really why they're 00:40:44
there. They're there to make money. You're making motorcycle parts. They're there not to make motorcycle parts. They're they're 00:40:51
there to make money through motorcycle parts. So I'm just saying if we could bring that down and I'm not saying we're going to, 00:40:59
we're going to beat PNM. I'm not saying that, but just to a level to where, yeah, then they will notice the bosky. 00:41:06
We are. They will notice that they can get out to that golf course and play any day to walk on that course anytime they want. 00:41:14
Yeah, we can. Then those things can start coming into play and the little wonderful nuances that support is offered us and that's 00:41:19
why we all live here now. 00:41:24
Uh. 00:41:29
We can share those with those folks, but at 11 Cent that's off the board. They're not going to do it but. 00:41:31
That's my that's my point, right, Mr. McKnight. It's real good. 00:41:38
So, so Councilman, So what you're saying is that these marijuana companies that are using that much electricity, they didn't want 00:41:41
to locate here because of electricity? 00:41:44
And are you saying that? 00:41:48
If we have the cheapest electricity industrial park in the state. 00:41:49
That we have sufficient workforce, we have sufficient infrastructure, we have sufficient everything else within the environment, 00:41:53
yes. 00:41:56
That they're going to come here say yes with that with New Mexico tag, right. We have to keep this race in the state. The 00:41:59
companies are gonna start flocking to us the same we'll have a chance when when we say, well, we can't compete with PNM. You know 00:42:03
what? 00:42:06
We have to. We have to compete because they can go to Salinas and do it. 00:42:11
Go right up the roof, they can do it. So we are in a competition with them, even though they're huge and big and have 500,000 00:42:15
meters. 00:42:20
We have to compete with them if we want to. 00:42:25
Bro, if we want to pull folks up. 00:42:29
Mr. Hurdle. 00:42:32
I was just going to say, I mean, you make a very good point, you know, competing with Albuquerque. You you gotta do what you have 00:42:34
to do. We have. 00:42:37
Three girl houses that want to pay US1. That's going to use twice the amount of energy that Walmart uses today. 00:42:42
Two others that are going to be. 00:42:49
Half the size and about the size of Walmart. So when his girl houses are coming in and we can't build fast enough for him and 00:42:51
there we talk about our rates. 00:42:55
And so that's not the problem. They just want it built today. 00:43:00
And so we're seeing that industrial load come in, in the form of grow houses, so. 00:43:03
I mean, but doesn't seem to be an issue for them today. 00:43:09
Mayor. 00:43:13
I just want to make a comment on what Mr. Olguin said about these cannabis companies. 00:43:14
Even though we don't have economic development Commission or group. 00:43:19
Donald myself. 00:43:24
And Lena, meet with everyone of those people that were from the cannabis company 1st. 00:43:26
We assured them that we had the water. 00:43:31
We assured them that we had. I told them about Gambles. That's how they got that building. 00:43:35
We talked about Solera and Smith. 00:43:40
That was some of the reasons that they came here. 00:43:44
Just like the DiCaprio company. 00:43:47
They're still making money, but when we gave them an offer of decreased natural gas rates. 00:43:50
So they could use them in the summer. 00:43:55
As Mr. Solomon said, they made more profits. They're hiring people all the time still. 00:43:56
So. 00:44:01
That's a part of the puzzle. It's not just all electricity. 00:44:03
Just one of the. 00:44:06
Pieces of the puzzle that will help us. 00:44:07
Get people who stay here and make a profit. 00:44:10
The more profit they make, the more likable there are gonna be to give better salaries and they're gonna stay here longer. 00:44:14
The Solera Company. 00:44:20
Came here hired people. 00:44:23
They try to get Transformers, they try to get electricity from the coop, and as big as comment was, I can't stare anymore because 00:44:25
I can't make any money with the amount that I'm paying for electricity. 00:44:30
That was and I. 00:44:36
Initially asked him to. 00:44:37
I actually met him in solo sequel to him. 00:44:39
But so electricity is just a part, it's not the whole thing, it's natural gas or water and so forth that we can do something 00:44:42
about. But electricity we have no way of helping that that. 00:44:48
That business that's here. 00:44:55
Right, Mr. Yes. 00:44:57
Now again, I'm gonna reiterate what I said the last two minutes. I'm not saying again, it's not a bad, I'm not saying it's a bad 00:44:59
idea. Again, if we can avoid. 00:45:02
The city's spending. 00:45:06
Millions and millions of dollars to do this, to save residents. 00:45:08
A little bit of money in the meantime when we can work if there's still a slight chance. 00:45:12
To work with the Co-op. 00:45:17
To accomplish the goals that are within this letter you asked and save us all that money where we can direct that to other areas. 00:45:18
Other pieces of the puzzle. 00:45:25
That's all I'm trying to say and that's all I'm trying to get across to community council and to you maybe. 00:45:28
That. 00:45:33
If there's still a chance. 00:45:34
Can we continue to explore that chance and maybe make it happen? 00:45:36
Mr. Hicks. 00:45:41
There's still, I mean, there's quite a bit of grant money out there. Now would be. I'll do this stuff, isn't there? 00:45:43
We absolutely have. When we're we're, we've got people looking into it. 00:45:49
Now you were stating that these marijuana places, they use for much electricity? 00:45:54
And there are the commercials. I think you said a while ago you were charging. 00:46:01
13 and above. 00:46:06
Percent residential, Rick Nome. OK, then business. What was businesses? 00:46:08
They're about $0.11. 00:46:13
That would sense. 00:46:15
If they're using so much more electricity, do you ever? 00:46:17
Tell them that you have, you will use over this money. We're giving another couple cents off. 00:46:21
I had ever been. 00:46:27
Thought about a formula. I mean I know they come to me in 5 paint jobs and I'm lowering the price. 00:46:29
Well, we do have the ability to do an economic. 00:46:35
Social right. And when we talked to him about that, they. 00:46:39
They're moving on to We need Transformers, we need poles in the. 00:46:42
Air we we need you to build the facilities today. We. 00:46:46
We don't care what your rate is, we we gotta. 00:46:50
We're talking people are moving from California in the Gita. 00:46:52
From Oklahoma and La Joya. 00:46:57
And then there's one here. 00:46:59
Focus or something like that. That's moving here. So, I mean they're they're just trying. 00:47:02
We start off talking about the rates. So there's no surprise, but they're. 00:47:06
More interested in getting poles and Transformers. 00:47:10
I'm sure rates up in California versus here are a lot higher, but with how much money they make? 00:47:14
Like someone brought up earlier, we got people that are in poverty. We we need, we owe it to them. 00:47:19
To try to get raised lower so they can actually grow out of that poverty into the middle class. 00:47:26
But when you when you reduce the rates for a commercial. 00:47:31
Who has the ability to make a revenue? 00:47:35
You got to collect that from someone else, so why would we want to force? 00:47:37
So on a residential rate to pay and subsidize. 00:47:41
Of business to pay for those those reduced rates. 00:47:45
You know, I disagree. Like like a balloon, Joe, that was A and that wasn't that. Wasn't that the argument you made at the PRC? 00:47:49
That you were gonna that and the rate and the PRC didn't buy that argument. Well the the PRC said you gotta do economic 00:47:56
development and we'll take those on a case by case, yeah. 00:48:01
But you know, we we'd like to like. 00:48:07
Councilman Gene said. 00:48:10
If those four things other than selling the coop, if we can come back with those. 00:48:12
Can we continue that motion? Let me ask you a question about the course. 00:48:17
When you look at your bottom line on your income tax. 00:48:22
Do you guys declare a profit? 00:48:25
Now with it never before zeroed out. Yeah, we. 00:48:27
That's the allocations back to the members. 00:48:30
Yeah. Well, I mean, but the fortunate capital credits before you send the allocation back to the members, I looked at a 2020 00:48:34
income tax. 00:48:37
Report to it. That's the only one that I could find. 00:48:41
You look like you had it. 00:48:44
Million and a half $2,000,000 profit. 00:48:45
You may have given it back, but you did have a profit. Yeah. So there, there's margins there that you have. 00:48:48
Which also includes capital credit allocations from other. Could never understand the capital credit. I'm just saying the bottom 00:48:53
line. 00:48:56
When you're finished paying for everything. 00:48:59
And you finish getting all the proceeds from the customers. 00:49:02
Do you have? 00:49:06
Positive cash flow. 00:49:07
At the end of the year we report that. 00:49:11
Know what we're allocating back to the members, Yes. 00:49:15
Those are allocated back to the members. Before you allocate back to the members, how much do you? How much profit do you make? It 00:49:19
depends on the year, but the profits are not. The profits are not what you think. 00:49:24
Profits in the bank, those are. 00:49:30
Those are accounting bookkeeping, no, but just charges, cost and expenditures. 00:49:32
When you. 00:49:38
When you end that bottom line. 00:49:39
It comes out zero. 00:49:41
But we have to to remain a nonprofit, right? 00:49:43
But I mean, so, So you're saying that? 00:49:47
When you pay off everything and army capital credits, I mean just as a business. 00:49:49
You don't make any profit at all. 00:49:54
At the end of the year, the margins that we have. 00:49:58
Would be about $1,000,000. 00:50:02
But those million dollars are made-up of. 00:50:05
Capital credit. 00:50:07
Like $600,000 from tri-state, which they will. 00:50:08
Pass in in 2040. 00:50:11
So there's there's half of that. So you pay that back to. 00:50:14
To them waiting for the capital credits, right? 00:50:18
That goes to Colorado, so. 00:50:21
So those are. They're also nonprofits, so they allocate to us what our. 00:50:23
It's Ledger keeping rights bookkeeping so and it's just trying to simplify the fact that that. 00:50:28
There is revenue there that is being made that you give back in credits. 00:50:35
You send to tristate. 00:50:39
And and that zeroes it out. 00:50:41
Yeah, I'm, I'm not going to claim to be a bookkeeper, but at the end of the day, it's not like we have $1,000,000 of cash. 00:50:44
It's $1,000,000 of. 00:50:51
Of different bookkeeping entries that we keep track of. 00:50:53
So you're asking what's your profit? The profit? 00:50:57
Could vary from year to year depending on our expenses. 00:51:01
And I think we went through that whole PRC process together that. 00:51:04
You got more than you probably like to know about the PRC. 00:51:08
Miss Dean, I know this is just discussion right now, but I wouldn't have a problem extending their franchise agreement. 00:51:14
Only because I don't know if we're ready to take on the residential portion in in May, so. 00:51:21
But the Princess agreement, and I don't know, maybe we can go to executive session and have our lawyer explain what we can and 00:51:28
what we can't do. 00:51:31
But I I certainly feel but again. 00:51:35
The friends this was 2017 that I asked to do something. 00:51:41
I never. We haven't. They moved an inch and matter of fact they want just the same deal as they had before. 00:51:46
So if you think it's going to happen by May 2024, I wasn't willing to wait till that time. I don't mind. I don't mind doing that 00:51:52
type of extension if there's some. 00:51:56
Real things that are going to happen before you do that two year extension, like they commit to something. 00:52:03
Mr. 00:52:08
And I'm the same way but. 00:52:09
France is looking at that is fine, but I think we still need to stay the course system, yeah, what we've been doing. 00:52:12
But I mean, I I would ask Miss Winter and and Ed to kind of give us a. 00:52:18
Uh. 00:52:22
Executive session as to what they've heard so far. 00:52:24
And then what we think, what they think is a legal matter because we're doing franchise agreements. 00:52:27
I think that would be helpful and that's very helpful for the Chairman and. 00:52:32
Mr. Herrera to be here, I think that's. 00:52:36
Keeps the conversation going. We didn't have a. 00:52:39
You know, while that we hit. 00:52:42
Which I thought we had in 2017. 00:52:45
And and like you said, I think keeping communication. 00:52:47
Open and between all of us. 00:52:51
Ohh, he's sitting back there. We should get his name. 00:52:54
And that way we can, you know, keep it going. 00:52:59
Absolutely. 00:53:02
All right. We appreciate that time. Thank you very much. Leroy. Thanks for coming. Are you, are you guys, are you, aren't you 00:53:05
tired, standard something? 00:53:08
OK, alright. 00:53:15
We appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you again. 00:53:16
OK, we shall. Shall we move on is can we do the executive session right now? Can we move the agenda to have an executive session 00:53:21
right now, please? 00:53:26
I still move. 00:53:30
2nd. 00:53:31
Welcome. Can't do that little meeting. 00:53:34
Approve the agenda. Sorry. Amend the agenda. Yeah, amend the agenda. I don't think we can amend. We can't. 00:53:38
This next. 00:53:46
CIP Public input. 00:53:51
Anybody here would like to make a comment? Well first you need to go to. 00:53:53
But I can't. Mr. I'll make a motion on the public hearing for the I CIP Public input. I second. 00:53:57
And seconded. All in favor aye. Anyone here would like to make a comment to be placed on the I CIP? 00:54:05
Mr. Mayor, Mr. Monette, in a construction meeting about our Manzanares project, Mr. Jim Burleson requested six St. sidewalks being 00:54:12
included this year, just so the Council knows. 00:54:17
Six St. sidewalks. 00:54:24
And then repair new ones. 00:54:27
Is there a 6th St. Has sidewalks? What area? 00:54:30
Minutes 56 St. 00:54:33
Because that's a new road with that we had with the map project that made us do. 00:54:35
Sidewalks, bring this right by the Valverde Hotel, OK? 00:54:40
I know, Mr. Mayor, I know what? That new gas station, there's a whole lot more traffic on 6th Street now. Yeah, yeah, and I also, 00:54:45
I also put the ranking sheet on the councillors desk. If we could get that back by the next meeting, it's just make sure we 00:54:50
specify the area on 6th St. 00:54:55
And we still have that like Ohh sidewalks that are unleveled yourselves, especially those ones right there by the barbershop, 00:55:01
they're cross the street from supermarket. That's really bad. 00:55:06
So let's just put ICP sidewalk projects. 00:55:11
OK, Mr. Mayor Mr. 00:55:15
I don't see anymore public input. 00:55:17
Moved my back to regular session. 00:55:20
Move to seconded all in favor, aye? 00:55:23
OK, so. 00:55:26
Trying to get the sidewalk problem. 00:55:27
And then Mr. again make a motion, we approve the cities course Senior Center fiscal year 22/23/24 contracts with NCM. 00:55:29
He did. 00:55:39
2nd. 00:55:40
Move the second all in favor, aye? 00:55:42
And and and tell you that the the. 00:55:44
Programs going well? 00:55:47
And. 00:55:48
Trying to add more stuff to it. We'll keep working with Linda Morris is doing a good job Mr. Mayor Hispanics and talking about 00:55:50
that they asked if I would take the seniors up to Kumada. 00:55:55
Because they they challenged Kamala and Pool. 00:56:01
And and Mr. Hicks did that. He drove them all the way up there, took him up there and double elimination, and both teams did good 00:56:05
and mayor gave. 00:56:10
20 bucks towards each game. 00:56:15
So they are very much appreciated to that. 00:56:17
Mr. Hicks paid the 20 bucks. 00:56:20
He just he would appreciate that, Gordon. 00:56:24
Thank you. Thanks so much. Say I did that. 00:56:27
OK. Well, they were still trying to identify the right of way to serve the industrial park corridor. That's the resolution to just 00:56:30
continue with that project, so move. 00:56:34
2nd. 00:56:39
Moved and seconded discussion. 00:56:40
All in favor, aye. 00:56:43
No. 00:56:44
Opposed No, no. 00:56:47
So new business. 00:56:49
No new business, old business, Mr. Hogan, as far as the in person attendance for meetings, we get any more information on that. 00:56:56
I put a highlighted copy of the Open Meetings Act in all of your boxes. 00:57:06
But. 00:57:10
According to Open Meetings Act, it's still allowable or permissible to be on a cell phone as long as you can recognize the 00:57:12
person's voice and they can be heard. But we do have our Rules of Procedure that we could amend. If you want me to go down that 00:57:16
road, sure, Can you send that to us? And then. 00:57:21
Any other old business director? Ohh Mr. O'Sullivan, Yeah. 00:57:29
Mr. Mayor. 00:57:33
With regard to Immigrant Heritage Month, in June, we had a discussion about that proclamation. 00:57:35
That came out. Mr. Juan Escalante had had brought it to the attention the administration. 00:57:42
That June was Immigration Heritage Month. 00:57:48
And there was 5 bulleted items that. 00:57:51
Mr. Escalante had presented to the Mayor and and to the administration. 00:57:55
And. 00:58:00
In reading that and as we know and. 00:58:01
The The proclamations or matters of of. 00:58:04
Great importance that. 00:58:08
Elected officials. 00:58:09
Are to share with with the folks in in their town. 00:58:11
So. And taking that seriously. 00:58:16
There was a couple of items that there was one item particularly that. 00:58:19
I thought needed to be addressed, so I had talked to Mr. Escalante and he. 00:58:23
It mentioned to me that. 00:58:27
That it was a template proclamation that he had sent, that he sends out. 00:58:29
I also know that Councillor Romero wants to also maybe be involved with that and just so I can brief everybody, it was. 00:58:34
The generations of immigrants it was to state from every corner of the globe that built our our countries economy and created the 00:58:45
unique character of our nation. And whereas immigrants continue to grow businesses, innovate, strengthen our economy, and create 00:58:51
American jobs in Socorro, NM. And whereas immigrants have provided the United States with unique social and cultural influence, 00:58:58
fundamentally enriching the extraordinary character of our nation. 00:59:04
And whereas immigrants have been tireless leaders not only in securing their own rights and access to equal opportunity, but have 00:59:11
also campaigned to create a fair and more just society for all Americans, And this is the one I took exception with, it says. 00:59:18
Whereas despite these countless contributions, the role of immigrants in building and enriching our nation has frequently been 00:59:25
overlooked and undervalued throughout our history and continuing to the present day. 00:59:33
So I think that maybe Mr. Escalante lives in California. He's a the the online director for immigration. 00:59:40
For an organization. 00:59:53
And so I think that maybe Mr. Romero and I can talk to him, get a little bit more information. You know, when you make statements 00:59:55
like that, we need to look into it because you know what? 00:59:59
As as Doctor Basker stated and as as we have discussed about immigrants, who is, who isn't? You know if you're not a Native 01:00:04
American, you're an either an immigrant or a descendant of an immigrant. So this is kind of circle talking about you're you're, 01:00:10
you're you're not. 01:00:15
Recognizing my contribution, but who's not recognizing me? Well, I'm not recognizing, you know, So you start getting into that 01:00:22
circle of. 01:00:26
Confusion going nowhere so. 01:00:31
I think Mr. Romero and I will give him a call. 01:00:34
He's in California. Where else would he be? 01:00:37
We're going to give him a call, we're going to talk to him and then we'll bring back what we look, what we can come up with this 01:00:39
because it's important that that we look at this and and get it right. 01:00:44
And and and try and try and try to get it right. 01:00:49
Thank you. 01:00:52
Thank you. Thank you Executive session. I'll make a motion regarding session session. 01:00:54
Legal matters and. 01:00:58
Legal mature is channel 15-1. 01:01:00
I second. 01:01:03
I'll move to seconded roll call please. 01:01:04
Councillor. 01:01:07
Chavez. Lopez. Yes. Councillor Dean? Yes. 01:01:08
After Fleming. 01:01:11
Councillor hits? Yes. Councillor, Ocampo, yes. Councillor, yes. 01:01:13
Councillor Romero. Yes, yes. 01:01:18
May. May we have people here? Hello. 01:01:23
Everybody leave and we'll just stay here. 01:01:27
Division heads. 01:01:32
Mr. Mayor. 01:01:35
Come back into regular session. 01:01:37
2nd. 01:01:39
Aye. 01:01:41
Go call. 01:01:42
Mr. Mayor, the Council discussed one potential legal matter and no action was taken, OK? 01:01:44
And canal. 01:01:51
I'm lost, Prima. 01:01:54
My. 01:01:57
Doing something here. 01:01:58
Let's get. 01:02:01
You have it on the computer. Excuse me. OK, we're gonna put it. Thank you. 01:02:04
OK. You you marked it up. Personnel matter. That was done. Personnel changes. I got it. I got it. 01:02:10
I got personnel changes one, but get a police officer. 01:02:17
Certification, Peter James Gonzalez. Certification, please. Linda Marez. 01:02:21
Temporary permanent take part at the Senior Center. 01:02:25
The park is temporary to permanent Danny Hill senior. 01:02:28
Rod Driver Timer to permanent Donald Woodard resignation. Taylor Savedra resignation. 01:02:32
Mr. Romero will do approve the personal changes as read. 01:02:38
Move to 2nd discussion. 01:02:43
On favor. 01:02:45
Business, we have techie innovations. 01:02:47
McClellan Turdis. Computer modeling. Casa Robles. 01:02:50
Walmart, Kareshi, Airbnb rental. 01:02:55
And muddy cistern chips and tokens. 01:02:58
Selling hobby tokens. 01:03:02
No move to approve the business registrations as read. 01:03:05
2nd. 01:03:10
Moved and seconded all in favor. 01:03:12
And we have our next meeting on July the. 01:03:15
18th. 01:03:19
Antique City Hall. 01:03:21
Ohh. Thank you. Thank you everybody. 01:03:25